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| Subject | Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot |
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| References | (1 earlier) <0e5e5f4b-c3b5-422b-a6bb-3cb308df3193@googlegroups.com> <mr88j8$oqv$1@dont-email.me> <a6fc3d4a-d7b3-4d15-945c-314d8a850686@googlegroups.com> <mrdf8o$65c$1@dont-email.me> <ac349352-e592-4c1f-84cd-9d64c215918a@googlegroups.com> |
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| From | "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> |
| Organization | FORTH, Inc. |
| Date | 2015-08-23 22:01 -1000 |
| Message-ID | <BdidnboF0K_pUkfInZ2dnUU7-UGdnZ2d@supernews.com> (permalink) |
On 8/23/15 12:25 PM, borota@gmail.com wrote: > Nice you got it working. > > By the way, is it OK in Forth world that after some user(beginner) triggered errors, to have not even the most basic operations work any longer? > > 5 dup * . 19 ok > > That's with the snapshot I just downloaded - I was consistently getting that until I restarted GForth. > > I am trying to get my head around Forth people point of view that crashes/access violation errors/lost work/errors like this? are ok when developing. But it's still hard to get used to it, given that the the tools that I am using for work, that pretty much never happens. It's hard not to feel like time has been turned back when immersing myself into Forth world... The concept is that the programmer has more freedom, coupled with more responsibility, than with some other languages. Depending on the system you're using, it shouldn't take more than a second or so to reboot and start over. Your compiler is small, simple, and fast, and is not your nanny. I taught Forth classes for many years. If the regulars here will forgive me for repeating an old story, at one point I developed a Forth that checked for all of the common newbie errors and issued messages. I found that students kept getting more and more frustrated at their programs not working. When I looked over their shoulders and pointed out all the error messages they were getting, they said, "Oh, yes, I get those all the time, I just ignore them." So I took the checks out. When the students had to reboot they learned something. Cheers, Elizabeth -- ================================================== Elizabeth D. Rather (US & Canada) 800-55-FORTH FORTH Inc. +1 310.999.6784 5959 West Century Blvd. Suite 700 Los Angeles, CA 90045 http://www.forth.com "Forth-based products and Services for real-time applications since 1973." ==================================================
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Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-20 09:41 +0100
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-20 14:21 +0200
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Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-20 20:12 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Marc Christiansen <usenetmail@solar-empire.de> - 2015-08-20 20:42 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-20 22:45 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot peter.m.falth@gmail.com - 2015-08-21 11:47 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-21 23:23 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-22 00:28 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 10:38 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-23 23:53 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 15:25 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 18:42 -0400
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 16:43 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 19:53 -0400
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-08-24 01:58 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-24 02:05 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 18:16 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 18:34 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 22:10 -0400
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 19:30 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 20:27 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-23 21:05 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Julian Fondren <julian.fondren@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:20 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-24 07:10 +0000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-24 15:17 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-24 15:21 +0000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-24 17:36 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 19:12 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 22:10 -0400
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-23 22:11 -1000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 01:37 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 08:57 -0400
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-24 11:13 -1000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 03:09 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot borota@gmail.com - 2015-08-25 19:34 -0700
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-25 21:38 -1000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-09-01 21:57 +1000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2015-09-01 16:15 +0200
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-09-03 16:05 +1000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-05 03:25 +0000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-09-05 21:33 +1000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot dunno <dunno@dunno.dunno> - 2015-09-05 18:07 +0000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-23 22:01 -1000
Re: New Gforth "qixi" Snapshot jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2015-08-23 05:34 -0700
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