Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator

From	Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator
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Date	2012-11-09 18:47 -0800
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"Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> writes:
> C compilers are not completely independent of the environment they
> were coded for... there are still many things in the toolchain that
> produce environment specific code, e.g., code for interrupts. 

Right, you write an interrupt vector in assembler and have the
interrupts call a trampoline that calls a C function.  So you have to
know the calling conventions, and in the case of a few interrupts
needing very fast response, you might have to code the handler in
assembler, but the amount of asm code involved is generally pretty
small.

> Finally, you come to the conclusion that you should've developed your
> own simple toolchain first, because you can't control everything you
> need to control for your OS without total control of the toolchain.

Sounds like you are reinventing Forth ;-).  In practice other people
manage to use existing toolchains.

>> > For my OS project, I really don't even want C.

What kind of hardware is it for, if I may ask?

> I'd also need a Forth compiler, not a Forth interpreter.  That would be
> another project...  Generating code, even for very simple languages, is far
> more complicated than creating address-lists used by DTC and ITC.

It's true that compilers are more complicated.  I wonder how much time
is spent in OS functions on today's computers, though.  Writing the OS
in threaded Forth with a few asm words for critical loops is a
time-tested approach.  Traditional Forths are very well integrated with
assemblers, normally also written in Forth.

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[OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-04 20:10 +0000
  Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-04 15:05 -0800
    Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-04 22:02 -0800
      Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-10 12:53 +0000
        Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-10 20:25 -0500
          Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-11-11 11:49 +0000
            Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-11 17:43 +0100
              Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-11-12 01:55 +0000
            Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-11 07:06 -1000
    Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-05 06:33 -0800
    Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-10 12:05 +0000
      Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-13 19:49 -0800
  Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-04 16:55 -0800
    Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-04 19:08 -0800
    Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-07 08:49 +0000
  Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2012-11-05 08:17 +0200
    Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-07 09:02 +0000
  Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-05 14:10 -0500
    Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-05 12:58 -0800
      Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-06 20:54 -0500
        Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-06 21:50 -0800
          Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-07 08:36 +0000
          Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-07 19:49 -0500
            Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-08 04:42 -0800
            Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com> - 2012-11-08 19:43 -0800
              Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2012-11-09 10:48 +0000
              Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-11-09 22:15 +0100
        Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-07 12:46 -0800
      Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-10 13:09 +0000
        Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2012-11-10 07:43 -0800
    Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-07 09:34 +0000
      Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 04:07 -0800
        Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-07 19:44 -0500
          Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-07 16:57 -0800
            Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-07 20:14 -0500
              Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-07 17:32 -0800
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-08 12:32 +0000
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-08 20:00 -0800
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-09 02:20 -0500
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-09 00:53 -0800
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-09 19:10 -0500
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-11-09 18:47 -0800
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-10 02:16 -0500
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-09 17:51 -1000
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-09 22:51 -0800
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-10 02:26 -0500
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-09 22:01 -1000
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-09 22:49 -0800
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Rod Pemberton" <do_not_have@notemailnotz.cnm> - 2012-11-10 02:15 -0500
                Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-09 22:57 -0800
            Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 00:22 -0800
        Re: Buddy System Memory Allocator "Mark" <mark@dibsco.co.uk> - 2012-11-10 13:43 +0000
  Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 13:10 +0000
    Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 13:31 +0000
  Re: [OT] Buddy System Memory Allocator Charles Mélice <charles.melice@gmail.com> - 2012-11-11 05:29 -0800

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