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Re: OT: Farewell Windows

Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Date 2015-08-08 08:32 -0700
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Subject Re: OT: Farewell Windows
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On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 5:32:29 AM UTC-4, Bernd Paysan wrote:
> visualforth.com wrote:
> > Did you ever think why some people are great with Linux and others are
> > not? Did you ever think why some people are great with Forth and others
> > are not? Did you ever think why some people are great with Lisp and others
> > are not? Not to mention C and the derivatives.
> 
> Of course, intelligence amplifies your capabilities, and allows you to work 
> around limitations.  I don't know what kind of "how to save my file" problem 
> you have, because you don't describe your problem in detail.  Of course, if 
> you are using a 10 year old computer, it will be too slow for the newest 
> user-friendly stuff (Linux programmers also created bloatware in the past 10 
> years to fill all available RAM and use all of the CPU ;-).  So you are 
> limited to the less user-friendly stuff (lightweight window manager, vi or 
> emacs as editor).  In vi, you save a file in command mode with :w <filename> 
> and in Emacs with Ctrl-X Ctrl-S.  These editors have a user interface 
> "designed" 30 years ago.
> 
> The main problem you have is that you use an outdated computer.  This is not 
> about "Linux can't save my files", it's about "I can't run a descent Linux 
> distribution, because my computer is too old".  Some specialized Linux 
> distributions do a good job on old computers, but the mainstream ones are 
> for mainstream people, who buy a new computer every few years, because more 
> RAM, faster CPU, higher resolution, faster and larger harddisk/SSD is more 
> fun than sticking with the same old computer.
> 
> > There is other Neuroscience research out there - may be not at the MIT -
> > which points into another, more helpful direction: Neurodiversity.
> > 
> > Neurodiversity is an approach to learning and disability that suggests
> > that diverse neurological conditions appear as a result of normal
> > variations in the human genome.
> > 
> > Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodiversity
> 
> Of course there are variations.  Autism is a pretty large variation from the 
> typical brain, and of course smaller variations exist, too.
> 
> > Further reading:
> > "Thinking Smarter About People Who Think Differently"
> > http://www.wired.com/2012/04/thinking-smarter-about-people-who-think-differently
> > 
> > Different people have different skills and different Operating Systems,
> > like computers have different Operating Systems. Mathematicians are
> > thinking differently than Musicians, and there are more examples. You can
> > only find out when asking and listening.
> 
> I do music and math, languages and programming, and I'm aware that this 
> stuff uses different parts of my brain.  However, you are not a musician or 
> a lawyer who has trouble with computers, because your thinking is too 
> different from the programmed logic, you are an experienced programmer.
> 
> -- 
> Bernd Paysan
> "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself"
> net2o ID: kQusJzA;7*?t=uy@X}1GWr!+0qqp_Cn176t4(dQ*
> http://bernd-paysan.de/

There was a discussion a while ago on LinkedIn about how to teach Forth.

The Forth professionals did not understand that their teaching did not work in maker circles. They claimed to have written the best books about Forth ever.

They really did not recognize that there are different people in this world who understand things in a different way. It was not explainable to these people.

Same thing with saving in Linux.
It is not explainable.

I won't invest a huge sum to buy a new computer only to find out that this problem will be still the same.

I prefer to build my own computer system, for people like me.

Cheers,
DB.

"We all are tolerant - as long as the other behaves as expected!"

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OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 04:28 -0700
  Re: OT: Farewell Windows djc <ciesinger@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 08:35 -0700
  Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 10:51 -0700
    Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-07 21:35 +0200
      Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-07 23:38 +0200
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 00:34 +0200
      Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 15:50 -0700
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows Julian Fondren <ayrnieu@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:09 -0700
          Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:23 -0700
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 01:34 +0200
          Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 22:46 -0700
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 01:52 +0200
          Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 22:43 -0700
            Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 11:32 +0200
              Re: OT: Farewell Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-08 14:37 +0000
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 23:04 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Jan Coombs <Jan-54 <jenfhaomndgfwutc@murmic.plus.com>> - 2015-08-09 09:52 +0100
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 02:04 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:33 -0700
              Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-08 08:32 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-08 22:28 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-09 04:09 +0200
              Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 04:52 -0400
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:53 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-10 01:15 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 20:46 -0400
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 17:56 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 00:41 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-10 21:44 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 21:53 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-08-09 15:50 -1000
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-09 19:26 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-10 07:41 +0000
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-10 06:30 -0400
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-10 06:30 -0400
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 05:02 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows hughaguilar96@gmail.com - 2015-08-10 21:45 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-11 02:20 -0400
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2015-08-11 08:30 +0100
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-08-16 12:59 +1000
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-17 00:01 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-17 18:45 -0700
          Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 23:23 -0700
            Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 08:35 +0200
              Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-08 00:10 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 09:52 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 01:13 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 04:45 -0400
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:26 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-10 01:12 +0200
            Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 04:41 -0400
              Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-09 14:20 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-10 00:40 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 19:49 -0400
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-10 02:09 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-09 20:51 -0400
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-08-08 02:59 -0400
      Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:38 -0700
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-08 01:51 +0200
          Re: OT: Farewell Windows Hannu Vuolasaho <vuokkosetae@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 07:46 +0300
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2015-08-07 22:49 -0700
    Re: OT: Farewell Windows humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 23:28 -0700
      Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 02:24 -0700
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 03:10 -0700
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 13:57 +0200
          Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 05:12 -0700
          Re: OT: Farewell Windows Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-11 15:17 +0200
            Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 08:04 -0700
              Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 22:04 +0200
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 05:42 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2015-08-12 08:33 -0500
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:21 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 07:47 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:06 -0700
                Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 08:07 -0700
            Re: OT: Farewell Windows Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 08:07 -0700
            Re: OT: Farewell Windows Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2015-08-11 21:58 +0200
        Re: OT: Farewell Windows anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-08-11 13:11 +0000

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