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Re: Did Nikola Tesla invented the Quantum computer?

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On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 05:30:52 -0700 (PDT)
Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 18 October 2016 05:37:23 UTC+1, polymorph self  wrote:

<OT>

> > usa is way higher than germany standard of living despite millions
> > of illegal immigrants  
> 
> Proof that you have no idea what you are talking about.
> 
> You've clearly never lived in Germany. I have. Little town called
> Flensburg. Lovely place. The standard of living in Germany is higher
> than the USA in just about any metric you care to mention.

A relative of mine went there many years ago to visit various
automotive suppliers all across Germany.  He did enjoy the Autobahn in
areas where there were no speed limits.  IIRC, he said that no one
lived in rural or suburban communities.  Everyone lived in town.  So,
the land wasn't as developed or development wasn't as widespread. I
think he posited that much of the land outside town seemed to be owned
by wealthy estates.  If true, that would fit with the problem the E.U.
has with dynastic wealth.

> It's a completely different, (and much nicer) world.

The U.S. has a wide variety of cultures, education, environments, and
wealth levels.  As you've seen, there are even radically different
beliefs within our political parties, and wide differences in beliefs
across America.  There are a number of free websites which show
demographics by Zipcode, such as ESRI's Ziptapestry, or Nielsen
Segments (formerly Claritas Prizm) Prizm Permier, Prizm, or P$YCLE.
These break America up into different socioeconomic groups, usually 65
to 70 or so, e.g., education, income, race, family size, social groups,
lifestyle activities, entertainment, etc.  Zipcodes predominantly
correspond to a geographical area for sending mail, but that's not true
of all Zipcodes, as some refer to buildings, mailboxes, streets, mule
routes, etc.  Yes, the U.S. Post Office still delivers mail by mule in
the Grand Canyon.

https://segmentationsolutions.nielsen.com/mybestsegments/
http://www.esri.com/data/esri_data/ziptapestry

Last U.S. Post Office mule route, Supai, Arizona:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supai,_Arizona

> America is dead. Being hollowed out from the inside by millions and 
> millions of citizens living on food stamps, and no hope of ever
> finding a job; continually declining education standards;

This is all a result of free-trade which was pushed by liberals,
wealthy elites, and powerful corporations.

> a race war;

That's not here yet.  Technically, the majority of blacks (or
African-Americans) are in a constant state of hatred and racism towards
whites.  And, presidential candidate Donald Trump has offended a few
minority groups, like Muslims, and Hispanics or Latinos.  In the U.S.,
racist blacks can't be called racist, as blacks are seen as the
perpetual victims of racism.  It's not politically correct.  Also,
since most blacks live in predominantly black communities, many don't
even recognize when they've said something racist towards others.  No
one is around to cite them on racist statements.

So, the term "race war" has a very different connotation here.  It
means that racist whites managed to provoke all blacks in America to go
on a violent rampage against all whites, and so both non-racist and
racist whites, together, are then forced to defend themselves from the
now violent, uncontrollable blacks by using legal force.  I.e., since
whites outnumber blacks by 6 to 1 here, it's a Nazi-like "Final
Solution," but intended for the issue of abundant and poor black
minorities who serve no apparent purpose.  This concept is pushed by
racist white groups.  It's a wet-dream for racists.

Unfortunately, given that free-trade has decimated blue-collar union
jobs, which employed many blacks and paid well enough to lift people
out of poverty, there really is no need for the black worker in America
today.  Their jobs are outsourced to Mexico and China, and now India and
Brazil.  So, a race war could still happen in the future as things
will  NOT  be getting better for blacks in America any time soon.

> and a completely out of control war-mongering government,

I don't see that.  I think the U.S. has been handling the threats that
much of the rest of the world is in denial over or failing to action on.
The E.U. has been taking an  EXTREMELY  passive stance on violence and
terrorism occurring within it's region of control, within their own
countries, and also in regards Russia and Iran.  At some point,
weak-willed European countries are going to have to stop using NATO as
an excuse to suckle from America's teats.

> controlled by the military-industrial complex.

I think that is the other way around.  U.S. government military demand
drives the military-industrial complex.  These companies aren't about
to spend deca-billions developing military products unless they have
money in hand via a guaranteed contract or the financial prize of a
competitive contract is exceptionally large.  A single U.S. missile
costs a million dollars.  No company would produce a relatively
inexpensive military product, such as a missile, on their own, unless
they had a U.S. government contract, or they had approval from the U.S.
government to export the product to friendly nations or allies.

> I'd rather starve than live in the USA.

It sounds like you had a bad experience in a decrepit area of a major
U.S. city, perhaps an area controlled by drug gangs.  I knew a black
guy from Detroit who got beat up and robbed when he went into Chicago.
He was a tall and muscular dude too.  He was not a guy you'd approach
with the intent of beating up.

Basically, the wealthy live in core area of U.S. cities and wealthy
enclaves 60 to 80 miles out from the city, the poor and desperate live
in non-core area of major cities, blue-collar workers live in suburbs
just outside and around the city edges, white-collar workers live in
suburbs 25 to 45 miles out from the city, and rural folk live far away
from the city.  This holds true for the vast majority of U.S. cities.
There are only a few exceptions where things are slightly different.

> No offence to the people of the USA, I like Americans 

...

> (except for the TSA at airports, WTF is wrong with those guys?)

Nobody knows the complete answer to that.

We do know that they are taught to look for "suspicious" people and
behaviors, many of which would just constitute you being nervous,
especially since they're going to feel you up and call it a security
check.  And, they're not allowed to "racially profile" people, since
that would be discrimination.  So, they're legally justified to
be equally abusive.  As a federal agency, they're exempt from many laws
and regulations that would apply under state laws which prevent abuse
and assaults, etc.  You can sue for egregious situations, but your case
won't get anywhere.  Of course, they generally blame the victim too,
usually directing them to read the TSA's rules and regulations.

Many of TSA minority employees are clearly "diversity hires," but that
is the way with many government and military jobs here.  The government
takes people other employers simply wouldn't, e.g., borderline mentally
handicapped, unemployable minorities, people with violent tendencies,
and gang members.  If you want to know why some of the military and
government employees go crazy and kill people, this is why.  In recent
years, we've seen military people do so, while in the recent past it was
postal workers.  If you want to know how gang members learn how to
shoot or use explosives, yes, they were trained by our government when
they joined the military.

> but, having spent time there (Chicago), well, let's just say I was
> VERY glad to get home.

I've not been to Chicago, but I have been to a number of other large
cities, New York, Atlanta, Detroit, etc.  I'm assuming it is somewhat
of a cross between New York and Detroit.  It has similar levels of
poverty and murder as Detroit, but is more developed like New York.  If
you're a white person, there are probably more than a few decrepit,
poverty stricken neighborhoods, which you generally don't want to go
into.  While many "good" people and families live in these areas,
they're usually controlled by black or Hispanic minorities, mostly drug
dealing gang members who are usually armed with guns.  Riots by blacks
in the 1950s and 1960s in major U.S. cities caused "white flight."
Minorities were wanting better treatment and equality, but most whites
weren't familiar with the social issues facing minorities.  So, they
only saw the resulting violence and destruction of the riots.  They
were fearful and fled.  Of course, poverty stricken minorities didn't
have the capital to own and maintain property.  Sometimes the were
discriminated against by banks too.  That led to urban decay.

> > socialism won't ever work!  
> 
> You sure? It's alive and well in the USA (foodstamps, Obamacare).
> Perhaps take a look closer to home ;-)

Well, socialism has failed in many countries.  Their economies usually
end up imploding at some point in their history due to hyper inflation,
e.g., Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, and even China, Russia, etc.

Yes, Obama is somewhat socialist, which is part of why he is always
being called a "Muslim."  The majority of American blacks strongly
support government social programs, as so many of them are in poverty,
which they claim is driven by racism and the after effects of slavery.
So, while Obama is out of line with the views of most Americans, he's
aligned with the long-standing views of the black community.  He also
seems to support many non-Christian religious viewpoints which
irritates everyone as the majority of the U.S. is Christian.

Most of the U.S. identifies as Christian (70%), but even non-Christians
grew up with Christian parents, relatives, and beliefs.  Democrats
are 35% of the U.S. population, Republicans are 27%, blacks are 12%, and
independents and/or Libertarians are 40%.  So, don't believe the
liberal mainstream U.S. media when they say conservatives or
Republicans are religious, but liberals or Democrats are scientific
minded.  Bernie Sanders is a socialist.  In our political system, he's
far, far left. I'm not sure if he is off the left end of our scale, but
he's close, if not.  He might be a moderate Democrat in the EU or UK.
The fact that millennials supported him was shocking, as America has
always been capitalist and individualist.


Rod Pemberton

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