Re: Questions about strings

From	anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Questions about strings
Date	2015-10-26 11:20 +0000
Organization	Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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"HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> writes:
>Anton Ertl wrote:
>> >PARSE has the same cross-reference which implies retrieved strings
>> >are limited to 255 chars for a standard program.  3.4.1. has an "unless
>> >otherwise noted" proviso but I could find no such exemption for PARSE.
>>
>> There is no technical reason for that, because PARSE is specified to
>> produce an address in the input buffer, so it must not use a counted
>> string as intermediate storage.
>
>That's more than 3.4.1 states.  It places a limit on any parsed strings in
>a standard program 'unless otherwise noted' but doesn't say why.
>
>> A.6.2.2008 PARSE says:
>>
>> |2)
>> |  3) The count character limits the length of the string returned by
>> |     WORD to 255 characters (longer strings can easily be stored in
>> |     blocks!). This limitation does not exist for PARSE.
>>
>> So it was obviously not the intent of the Forth-94 committee to have
>> this limitation for PARSE,
>
>It's suggestive, though I wouldn't consider promotion of a new word in
>the annex of a standard as authoritative or binding.

Not sure what you mean with "promotion", but yes, the rationale is not
authoritative.  It does give us insight into the intent of the
committee, though.

>> so it probably is a bug in Forth-94 (and
>> -2012).
>
>If the entire input buffer is accessible to the programmer, then a
>standard program should be able to code PARSE from scratch using
>SOURCE and >IN without any length limit.

Yes, you can write PARSE using SOURCE, >IN and other standard
words.

- anton
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Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 06:46 -0700
  Re: Questions about strings rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:25 -0400
    Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:43 -0700
      Re: Questions about strings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-17 17:52 +0000
      Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-17 07:56 -1000
      Re: Questions about strings rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 14:07 -0400
      Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-18 12:50 +1000
  Re: Questions about strings Ron Aaron <rambamist@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 19:30 +0300
  Re: Questions about strings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-17 17:10 +0000
  Re: Questions about strings Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-17 10:41 -0700
    Re: Questions about strings foxaudioresearch@gmail.com - 2015-10-17 21:41 -0700
    Re: Questions about strings Johan Kotlinski <kotlinski@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 15:40 -0700
      Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-18 13:41 -1000
        Re: Questions about strings Johan Kotlinski <kotlinski@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 07:58 -0700
          Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-19 08:36 -1000
          Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-23 00:08 +1000
      Re: Questions about strings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-19 07:15 +0000
        Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 05:03 -0700
          Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-19 08:38 -1000
            Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:28 -0700
            Re: Questions about strings Alfred Singlestone <vitonis@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 16:21 -0700
              Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-22 11:07 +1000
                Re: Questions about strings Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-10-27 11:29 +0100
                Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 06:14 -0700
                Re: Questions about strings Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-10-27 15:04 +0100
                Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 07:01 -0700
                Re: Questions about strings Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-10-27 15:04 +0100
                Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-27 14:26 -0700
                Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-27 11:45 -1000
                Re: Questions about strings Lars Brinkhoff <lars.spam@nocrew.org> - 2015-10-28 07:43 +0100
        Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-19 23:25 +1000
      Re: Questions about strings rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 14:47 -0400
        Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-20 09:48 -1000
          Re: Questions about strings rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 23:25 -0400
            Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-21 15:11 +1000
              Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-22 11:21 +1000
                Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-21 18:31 -1000
                Re: Questions about strings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-22 05:51 +0000
                Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-24 12:44 +1000
                Re: Questions about strings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-25 10:17 +0000
                Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-26 15:14 +1100
                Re: Questions about strings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-26 11:20 +0000
                Re: Questions about strings "HAA" <someone@microsoft.com> - 2015-10-31 00:20 +1100
                Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-30 19:06 -1000
                Re: Questions about strings Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-30 23:27 -0700
                Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-30 21:28 -1000
                Re: Questions about strings Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-31 00:37 -0700
                Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-30 21:48 -1000
          Re: Questions about strings anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2015-10-21 06:10 +0000
  Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 10:48 -0700
    Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-31 09:57 -1000
      Re: Questions about strings Chris Curl <ccurl609@gmail.com> - 2015-10-31 13:34 -0700
        Re: Questions about strings "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2015-10-31 12:06 -1000
    Re: Questions about strings "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-11-02 02:34 -0500

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