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| From | anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Opinions on googl's go language? |
| Date | 2013-01-08 17:55 +0000 |
| Organization | Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien |
| Message-ID | <2013Jan8.185506@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> (permalink) |
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Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> writes:
>Anton Ertl wrote:
>> Richard Owlett <rowlett@pcnetinc.com> writes:
>>> A. K. wrote:
>>>> But does it help students to understand the
>>>> system by memorizing its machine instructions?
>>
>> In itself, no. But there's more to learning machine-level programming
>> than learning the machine instructions. You learn about memory and
>> addresses, bits, bytes, words, and how they are related to data. It
>> is necessary to learn some assembly language to make all this concrete.
>>
>> Forth might be a viable replacement for assembly language, as it also
>> exposes these low-level concepts, but assembly/machine language has
>> the advantage that everything is based on it.
>>
>>> Donald E. Knuth apparently thought the concept important
>>> enough to create MIX.
>>> [ _The Art of Computer Programming_ , Vol 1 - Fundamental
>>> Algorithms, 2nd Edition , c1973, p xi]
>>
>> One might say that this was long ago, but more recently he created
>> MMIX for reworking TAoCP.
>>
>> - anton
>>
>
>
>You snipped TOO much and failed to highlight snippage :<
I followed standard Usenet practice in citing only what I comment on.
Highlighting snippage is done only when text is snipped inside a cited
block, not at the fringes. Looking at your posting
<HpmdnZRVcK-1SEDNnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@supernews.com>, it seems to me that
you snipped too little.
>Do you agree with me or no? ?? ??? ????? :<
Does it matter? And does it not follow from what I wrote? I
supported your argument by citing more recent work, so yes, I agree
with that part.
Concerning the Turing machine, that's something for theoretcial
computer scientists; teaching that may or may not be appropriate for
the schools you had in mind, but I don't think it will teach the
children anything about the architecture of real computers.
- anton
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