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Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words

From Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.forth
Date 2012-11-08 12:52 +0000
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Subject Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words

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On 2012-11-07 16:07:35 +0000, Brad Eckert said:

> Two comments:
> 
> 1. You are using really long names for some words. Name collisions 
> aren't necessarily bad, so you don't have to go out of your way (like 
> using 26-character names) to avoid them. Sure, don't step on a system 
> word that you'll need later, but it's okay to have a HEAD that is only 
> needed in this scope. Even if later code redefines HEAD to mean 
> something else. Just make sure you have a means to test the earlier 
> HEAD.

I was once into TLA's for practically everything, variables, functions 
names, the lot. In recent years I've tended to go for more verbose but 
much more readable meaningful stuff, makes the code much more self 
documenting. What is the official standard for how many letters are 
significant in Forth these days ?

> 
> 2. Factor more. BEGIN this WHILE that REPEAT (what's with the UNTIL 
> THEN?) where this and that are separate words. When you find yourself 
> using 6 PICK, you know it's time to re-factor.

The 'until then' lets me not have to do a '0= while then' I can drop 
the 0= and just do 'until then' ? Is this a bad thing ? Seam's I'd need 
the extra 'then' in both cases.

I'm not convinced about refactoring in this case ! And I'm not 
convinced about the rabid dislike of PICK ! This is no worse than what 
a C compiler would do to accsess the paramaters of a function ?

IF I had an auto inlining optimizing compiler then yes, I'd factor it 
more, but I don't and most Forth's arn't ! So I'd like to get 
reasonable speed with the simple compiler I've created.

Chris

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Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 13:42 +0000
  Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 13:51 +0000
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 13:56 +0000
  Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-07 13:55 +0000
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 15:29 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 15:35 +0000
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 15:32 +0000
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 15:37 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-08 16:31 +0000
        Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 17:02 +0000
          Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-08 17:07 +0000
          Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-09 01:16 -0800
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 15:41 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2012-11-08 16:39 +0000
  Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 08:07 -0800
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 12:52 +0000
  Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-11-07 13:04 -0800
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 13:04 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 06:34 -0800
        Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 14:40 +0000
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 13:14 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 13:23 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Ouatu Bogdan <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 13:45 +0000
        Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 13:59 +0000
        Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 14:02 +0000
          Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 15:35 +0000
            Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 16:24 +0000
              Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 16:39 +0000
                Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 16:57 +0000
                Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-11-08 07:56 -1000
  Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-11-08 13:54 +0000
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 14:06 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-11-08 18:04 +0000
        Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 19:36 +0000
        Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 19:38 +0000
          Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 19:42 +0000
    Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 14:11 +0000
      Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 14:31 +0000
        Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 14:51 +0000
          Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Josh Grams <josh@qualdan.com> - 2012-11-08 18:23 +0000
            Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 19:57 +0000
            Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 20:04 +0000
              Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 20:17 +0000
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                Re: Genral advise and comments on callback style words Chris Hinsley <chris.hinsley@gmail.com> - 2012-11-08 20:50 +0000

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