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Re: Naming issues in create-does

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On 2026-06-12 17:52, Anton Ertl wrote:
> Ruvim <ruvim.pinka@gmail.com> writes:
>> On 2026-06-11 17:28, Anton Ertl wrote:
>>> minforth <minforth@gmx.net> writes:
>>>> : FCONSTANT  \ ( f 'name' -- |r -- f) 12.6.1.1492 fp-number constant
>>>>      create f, ['] f@ _<does ;
>>>
>>> The word that you call _<does is called SET-DOES> in Gforth
>>
>> In the name `does>`,  the symbol `>` means that the following code up to
>> ';' is a part of the semantics of the recent child of `create` (not the
>> containing definition).
>>
>> In the name "set-does>" the symbol ">" is misleading.
> 
> Yes.  But given that Forth and Gforth continues to have DOES>,
> SET-DOES> makes it clear to which word it is related.  And I also find
> it easier to remember that the spelling of DOES> does not differ
> between DOES> and SET-DOES>.


In my view, it is more important (than same spelling) for special 
symbols in names to convey a specific meaning.



> 
>> The name '_<does' is also strange.
> 
> Given the explanation for the ">" in DOES>, <DOES points in the
> direction where the xt should be pushed on the stack.  

However, the names of other words that take an xt from the stack do not 
begin with "<".


> It's not clear to me why minforth prepended a "_".
> 
>> Why not simply choose the name `set-does`?
> 
> Different spelling of the "DOES>" part.
> 
>> Or, even better, `set-latest-doer` ?
> 
> Even more different.  Gforth contains a number of words that change
> the latest word, and they all start with SET-, not with SET-LATEST-

> (one might see it as a problem that there are words that do not change
> the latest word and that have also names starting with SET-).

Yes, this is an inconsistency in naming.

> And the
> spelling of DOES> is even more different.  Plus, we (at least in
> Gforth source code, maybe also elsewhere) call run-time routines like
> DOCOL DOCON DOVAR and DODOES doers, so I would expect that
> SET-LATEST-DOER does what SET-EXECUTE does, not what SET-DOES> does.

I see.  In that case, since Gforth already has `DODOES` (rather than 
`DODOES>`), the name `SET-DOES` seems more appropriate.


> 
> Overall, SET-DOES> is unambiguous and good enough.
> 
> - anton


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Ruvim

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