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And they say C is obscure

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  And they say C is obscure Peabody <waybackNO584SPAM44@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-08 22:59 -0500
    Re: And they say C is obscure Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-04-08 22:17 -0600
      Re: And they say C is obscure Peabody <waybackNO584SPAM44@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-09 07:42 -0500
        Re: And they say C is obscure Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-04-09 07:46 -0700
        Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-09 16:47 +0200
        Re: And they say C is obscure James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-04-09 14:42 -0400
          Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-09 13:25 -0700
            Re: And they say C is obscure James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-04-09 22:56 -0400
        Re: And they say C is obscure Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-04-09 15:18 -0600
        Re: And they say C is obscure Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2017-04-10 12:57 -0400
      Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-10 14:46 +0000
    Re: And they say C is obscure luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 07:26 -0700
    Re: And they say C is obscure James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-04-09 14:18 -0400
      Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-09 20:53 +0100
      Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-09 13:52 -0700
        Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-14 11:48 +0000
          Re: And they say C is obscure Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2017-04-14 13:36 -0400
            Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-20 13:24 +0000
              Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-20 08:05 -0700
                Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-20 15:32 +0000
                  Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-20 09:48 -0700
                    Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-20 18:00 +0000
                      Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-20 11:34 -0700
                        Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-20 18:41 +0000
    Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-04-09 13:18 -0700
      Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-09 14:03 -0700
        Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-09 22:56 +0100
          Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-10 09:12 +0200
          Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-10 08:22 -0700
            Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-10 18:28 +0100
              Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-10 17:49 +0000
              Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-10 11:50 -0700
                Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-10 20:33 +0100
                  Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-10 13:06 -0700
                    Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 21:48 +0100
                    Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-10 22:15 +0100
                      Re: And they say C is obscure Michael Barry <barrym95838@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-10 18:46 -0700
                    Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-10 21:46 +0000
                      Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-10 23:09 +0100
                        Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-11 12:40 +0000
                          Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-11 14:15 +0100
                        Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-26 10:13 -0700
                          Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-26 10:38 -0700
                      Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-10 15:23 -0700
                    Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-14 11:51 +0000
                      Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-14 13:14 +0100
                        Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-14 10:42 -0700
                          Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-14 19:04 +0100
                          Re: And they say C is obscure Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-04-14 21:43 +0100
                        Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-26 11:02 -0700
                          Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 19:05 +0100
                            Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-26 12:02 -0700
                              Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-26 21:55 +0100
                                Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-27 00:15 +0100
                                Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-27 13:23 -0700
                      Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-14 18:12 +0100
                        Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-14 18:37 +0100
                  Re: And they say C is obscure GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 00:03 +0200
                Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-04-10 14:10 -0700
                  Re: And they say C is obscure mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-04-11 08:41 -0700
                    Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-11 08:58 -0700
                    Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-04-11 09:06 -0700
                      Re: And they say C is obscure scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-04-11 16:46 +0000
                        Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 19:02 +0100
                    Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-04-14 11:59 +0000
              Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-26 10:59 -0700
                Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-04-27 21:40 +0100
                  Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-02 05:17 -0700
                    Re: And they say C is obscure David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-03 12:50 -0700
                      Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-05 01:20 -0700
                        Re: And they say C is obscure David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-05 12:37 -0700
                          Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-06 00:16 -0700
                            Re: And they say C is obscure David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 11:49 -0700
                              Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 13:16 -0700
                                Re: And they say C is obscure David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 14:10 -0700
                              Re: And they say C is obscure Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-05-06 20:23 -0600
                                Re: And they say C is obscure David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-06 21:51 -0700
                                  Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 05:04 -0700
                                    Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 05:09 -0700
                                      Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 05:18 -0700
                                        Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 05:54 -0700
                                    Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-05-07 13:48 +0100
                                      Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 06:13 -0700
                                  Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-07 15:10 +0200
                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-05-07 16:47 +0200
                                      Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-07 21:08 +0200
                                        Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-05-07 21:54 +0100
                                          Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-08 00:59 +0200
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 16:59 -0700
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-07 22:28 -0500
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-08 10:16 +0200
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 02:41 -0700
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 07:36 -0700
                                        Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-05-09 10:06 +0000
                                          Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-09 14:03 +0200
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-05-09 19:41 +0200
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-09 21:35 +0200
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-05-09 20:25 +0000
                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-10 14:48 +0200
                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-10 14:23 +0100
                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-05-10 21:31 +0200
                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-10 12:45 -0700
                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-05-10 16:49 -0400
                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 08:56 -0700
                                      Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-08 09:54 -0700
                                        Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 17:32 -0700
                                          Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-08 18:26 -0700
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 02:28 -0700
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-05-09 10:15 +0000
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 05:53 -0700
                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-05-09 14:15 +0100
                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 06:55 -0700
                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-09 14:43 +0100
                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-09 23:07 +0100
                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-10 15:32 +0200
                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-05-10 11:39 +0000
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-05-09 06:21 -0700
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-11 03:00 -0700
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 18:20 +0100
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-10 10:06 -0700
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 11:11 -0700
                                          Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-10 12:45 +0100
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 05:33 -0700
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-10 13:41 +0100
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-05-10 09:32 -0400
                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-10 14:51 +0100
                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-05-10 10:54 -0400
                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-10 17:36 +0200
                                                        Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 09:28 -0700
                                                          Re: And they say C is obscure Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-10 19:12 +0100
                                                          Re: And they say C is obscure me <crisdunbar@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 11:53 -0700
                                                          Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-10 22:19 +0200
                                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 07:36 +0100
                                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 00:39 -0700
                                                              Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-11 13:30 +0200
                                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-11 13:17 +0100
                                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-11 13:37 +0100
                                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-12 10:39 +0200
                                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-13 09:34 -0700
                                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 09:48 -0700
                                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-13 19:48 +0100
                                                                        Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 14:01 -0700
                                                                          Re: And they say C is obscure David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 15:23 -0700
                                                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 03:14 -0700
                                                                              [OT] Re: And they say C is obscure Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-14 12:18 +0100
                                                                                Re: [OT] Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-14 13:28 +0100
                                                                                  Re: [OT] Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-14 15:56 +0200
                                                                                    Re: [OT] Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-14 16:56 +0100
                                                                          Re: And they say C is obscure Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-05-14 02:03 +0100
                                                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 03:08 -0700
                                                                              Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-14 13:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-14 16:13 +0200
                                                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 08:04 -0700
                                                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 08:52 -0700
                                                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-14 09:16 -0700
                                                                                        Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-14 17:48 +0100
                                                                                        Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-14 14:11 -0700
                                                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-14 22:57 +0200
                                                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-14 14:10 -0700
                                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-14 15:51 +0200
                                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-14 14:04 -0700
                                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 07:45 -0700
                                                                  Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-11 16:45 +0100
                                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-05-11 19:58 +0100
                                                                    Re: And they say C is obscure Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2017-05-11 22:15 +0000
                                                                      Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-11 23:24 +0100
                                                                        Re: And they say C is obscure David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-12 10:50 +0200
                                                                          Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-12 09:57 +0100
                                                        Re: And they say C is obscure Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-05-10 16:31 -0400
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 07:50 -0700
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-05-10 09:00 -0700
                                          Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-11 03:03 -0700
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-05-11 09:02 -0700
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-05-12 18:34 +0200
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-12 18:47 +0100
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-13 09:03 -0700
                                        Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-05-09 10:11 +0000
                                          Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-09 08:28 -0700
                                            Re: And they say C is obscure Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-05-09 09:40 -0700
                                              Re: And they say C is obscure raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-05-09 20:26 +0000
                                                Re: And they say C is obscure fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 00:20 -0700
                              Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-08 09:01 -0700
          Re: And they say C is obscure John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2017-04-11 09:15 -0700
            Re: And they say C is obscure supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-11 09:29 -0700
      Re: And they say C is obscure Manfred <noname@invalid.add> - 2017-04-13 16:00 +0200
        Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-16 19:45 -0700
      Re: And they say C is obscure Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-26 11:09 -0700

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#109640

Fromfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
Date2017-05-10 00:20 -0700
Message-ID<37b1f9a4-e111-4ab0-8eab-5dfeb45bc152@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#109628
W dniu wtorek, 9 maja 2017 22:26:44 UTC+2 użytkownik Richard Bos napisał:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 4:28:20 PM UTC+1, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> 
> > > You're right that the results of doing an
> > > experiment may be worse than not having done it.  But that
> > > shouldn't change the attitude that doing experiments is better
> > > than not doing them.
> > >
> > A lot of science is descriptive rather than experimental. Psychologists
> > tend to try to make their subject experimental, but closely allied
> > subjects like sociology and economics are more descriptive.
> 
> Pfft. Sociology is barely a science, and economics is closer to fraud.
> 
wonder how many books on sociology and how many on economics you studied..

(i recently get a bit angry on lame people who use shalow sentenses to propagate not knowledge but un-knowledge/stupidity )

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#109505

FromTim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2017-05-08 09:01 -0700
Message-ID<kfna86nuylf.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu>
In reply to#109401
David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:

> On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 12:16:36 AM UTC-7, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 5, 2017 at 1:20:55 AM UTC-7, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>> David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 5:17:14 AM UTC-7, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>>>>>> [...contrasting uses of for() and while()...]
>>>>>
>>>>> For years know I have been editing all the "for" out of the
>>>>> source code I am editing.  I have yet to see an example where
>>>>> changing all the "for" to "while" makes anything more obscure.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting perception, but not one that is shared by the
>>>> vast majority of C developers.
>>>
>>> De gustibus.
>>
>> Yes, I expect they would say much the same about you.
>>
>> There are at the very least tens of thousands of C developers who
>> see for() as providing advantages over while() in some contexts.
>> Not all of those people are stupid.
>
> De gustibus once again.  The gist of "de gustibus" is
> that neither side (or none of the sides) is wrong, stupid
> or misguided.

Not everyone reads it that way.  Especially in this case.
Just FYI.

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#108047

FromJohn Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com>
Date2017-04-11 09:15 -0700
Message-ID<33b93a29-37e4-4117-b39a-a499f64fde45@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#107962
On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 4:56:33 PM UTC-5, Bart wrote:
> On 09/04/2017 22:03, Keith Thompson wrote:
> > Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
> > [...]
> >> The C for loop is too flexible.
> >
> > I believe that's a minority opinion.
> 
> A minority of at least two then.
> 
> > The flexibility means, for example, that you can use the same construct
> > to iterate over a linked list:
> >
> >     for (node *ptr = head; node != NULL; node = node->next)
> >
> > that you'd use to iterate over an array.
> 
> That's the trouble: it can be practically anything. If trying to 
> understand code (or transcribe into a generic algorithm or whatever) you 
> have to stop and analyse a for-statement. The header tends to be written 
> on one line so you also have to scan it looking for commas and 
> semicolons to properly identify the different parts.
> 

Welcome to programming in C. 

C for loops *are* far more generalized than in languages like Fortran, 
where loops are limited to iterating over a non-modifiable scalar with an
optional stride.  C basically blurred the distinction between for and 
while loops, which on balance made it more useful.  Iterating over a list
such as the example above is a natural extension of for loop semantics.   

Do people abuse the construct?  Yes, continually.  That doesn't make it
a bad thing in and of itself.  

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#108052

Fromsupercat@casperkitty.com
Date2017-04-11 09:29 -0700
Message-ID<ef73b0ff-da76-408a-843b-43b888ae2ca2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#108047
On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 11:15:44 AM UTC-5, John Bode wrote:
> C for loops *are* far more generalized than in languages like Fortran, 
> where loops are limited to iterating over a non-modifiable scalar with an
> optional stride.  C basically blurred the distinction between for and 
> while loops, which on balance made it more useful.  Iterating over a list
> such as the example above is a natural extension of for loop semantics.   

Blurring distinctions isn't a good thing when the distinctions serve a useful
purpose.  The ability to use constructs like *ptr++ to avoid the need to
compute subscript addresses within a loop reduced the need for the kinds of
optimizations compilers of the day could apply only to restricted iteration
loops, and thus reduced the need to distinguish those loops from other forms.
Such distinctions are still useful, however, in languages that make them.

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#108103

FromManfred <noname@invalid.add>
Date2017-04-13 16:00 +0200
Message-ID<oco09e$65b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#107954
On 4/9/2017 10:18 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 4:59:52 AM UTC+1, Peabody wrote:
>>
>> for(linepos= 0;
>> linepos < linelen-3; linepos+= 3, dataframelen++)
>>
<snip>
>
> The C for loop is too flexible.
>
I, FWIW, find the C for loop pretty well designed.
Although it can be abused, I think the OP example is not such a case: in 
fact it keeps two indexes linepos and dataframelen, which apparently 
need to be kept in sync with each other, incremented in the very same 
statement, which looks good to me.

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#108193

FromTim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2017-04-16 19:45 -0700
Message-ID<kfnshl77nw8.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu>
In reply to#108103
Manfred <noname@invalid.add> writes:

> On 4/9/2017 10:18 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 4:59:52 AM UTC+1, Peabody wrote:
>>
>>> for(linepos= 0;
>>> linepos < linelen-3; linepos+= 3, dataframelen++)
>
> <snip>
>
>> The C for loop is too flexible.
>
> I, FWIW, find the C for loop pretty well designed.
> Although it can be abused, I think the OP example is not such a case:
> in fact it keeps two indexes linepos and dataframelen, which
> apparently need to be kept in sync with each other, incremented in the
> very same statement, which looks good to me.

Wholeheartedly agree.

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#108553

FromTim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu>
Date2017-04-26 11:09 -0700
Message-ID<kfnmvb33usa.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu>
In reply to#107954
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:

> The C for loop is too flexible.  [...]

What Malcolm means is that the C for loop is too flexible for
someone who is as brilliant as he is.  For those of us who aren't
in his league, the flexibility of for() in C is seen as being
more an advantage than it is a disadvantage.

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