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  The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 19:25 -0700
    Re: The Problem with Christianity Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-30 21:40 +1200
      Re: The Problem with Christianity gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-30 11:05 +0000
      Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 05:05 -0700
        Re: The Problem with Christianity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-30 07:14 -0700
          Re: The Problem with Christianity BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-30 15:18 +0100
            Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 08:23 -0700
            Re: The Problem with Christianity Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-30 16:53 +0100
              Re: The Problem with Christianity Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-30 09:15 -0700
              Re: The Problem with Christianity "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-30 13:19 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 08:15 -0700
        Re: The Problem with Christianity DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-30 15:05 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 04:20 -0700
            Re: The Problem with Christianity DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-31 13:37 -0400
              Re: The Problem with Christianity Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-01 15:13 -0400
                Re: The Problem with Christianity DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-01 15:21 -0400
                  Re: The Problem with Christianity "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-08-01 15:48 -0400
                  Re: The Problem with Christianity Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-03 14:54 -0400
        Re: The Problem with Christianity Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-01 14:29 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 12:50 -0700
            Re: The Problem with Christianity Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-01 22:21 +0200
              Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 15:30 -0700
                Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-08-02 01:44 +0000
                  Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 18:58 -0700
                    Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-03 15:04 -0400
                      Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-08-03 20:29 +0100
                      Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 12:58 -0700
                      Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-08-03 20:06 +0000
                        Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 13:11 -0700
                          Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-08-03 18:30 -0400
                  Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 21:47 -0700
    Re: The Problem with Christianity Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-07-30 13:43 -0700
      Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-30 21:30 +0000
        Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-30 17:49 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-31 08:34 +0000
            Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 16:51 +0100
    Re: The Problem with Christianity fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 12:02 -0700
      Re: The Problem with Christianity Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2016-08-02 14:07 +0000
        Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 10:49 -0700
    Re: The Problem with Christianity asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-08-07 12:28 -0700

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#91525

On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> Adam and Eve were different than other people.  

Adam and Eve never existed. Even Catholic Church acknowledges that.
That story shouldn't be read literally, (like many other things in
Bible).

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#91540

On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 4:21:58 PM UTC-4, Melzzzzz wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT)
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Adam and Eve were different than other people.  
> 
> Adam and Eve never existed. Even Catholic Church acknowledges that.
> That story shouldn't be read literally, (like many other things in
> Bible).

The Genesis account is the literal account of history.  To undermine
it, is to undermine everything about the Bible.

Death entered the world as a result of the sin of Adam.  Jesus undoes
the work of sin, and sets us free from death, which was brought about
only by sin.

You really should read and study the Bible, Melzzzzz:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/romans/10-17.htm
    "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91550 — Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

In article <9ebf4cbe-6bce-4c2e-a492-4c2fa3295eef@googlegroups.com>,
Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>The Genesis account is the literal account of history.  To undermine
>it, is to undermine everything about the Bible.

Rick is quite right about this.  If you don't accept the biblical story of
creation, the whole fabric of the Bible and, thus, any/all religions
derived from it, falls apart.  Since no sane person truly, actually
believes that the Earth (and the Universe) is only 6Kyo or any of the other
stuff in Genesis, it follows that no sane person can really, truly,
actually be religions.

What I am saying here is that the "cafeteria Christian" position taken by
most people (including, I dare say, most/all of the folks in this newsgroup
who claim to be "Christian") simply is not tenable.

Finally, note that the only way one can claim (while remaining sane) that
the biblical account is "literally" true is by perverting the meaning of
the word "literally" in the way that has become fashionable nowadays.  This
perversion is described at:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=literally

which says that:

    People often confuse this word with figuratively.

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#91551 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <9ebf4cbe-6bce-4c2e-a492-4c2fa3295eef@googlegroups.com>,
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> >The Genesis account is the literal account of history.  To undermine
> >it, is to undermine everything about the Bible.
> 
> Rick is quite right about this.  If you don't accept the biblical story of
> creation, the whole fabric of the Bible and, thus, any/all religions
> derived from it, falls apart.  Since no sane person truly, actually
> believes that the Earth (and the Universe) is only 6Kyo or any of the other
> stuff in Genesis, it follows that no sane person can really, truly,
> actually be religions.
> 
> What I am saying here is that the "cafeteria Christian" position taken by
> most people (including, I dare say, most/all of the folks in this newsgroup
> who claim to be "Christian") simply is not tenable.
> 
> Finally, note that the only way one can claim (while remaining sane) that
> the biblical account is "literally" true is by perverting the meaning of
> the word "literally" in the way that has become fashionable nowadays.  This
> perversion is described at:
> 
>     http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=literally
> 
> which says that:
> 
>     People often confuse this word with figuratively.
> 
> -- 
> The randomly chosen signature file that would have appeared here is more than 4
> lines long.  As such, it violates one or more Usenet RFCs.  In order to remain in
> compliance with said RFCs, the actual sig can be found at the following web address:
> 	http://www.xmission.com/~gazelle/Sigs/LadyChatterley

You are right about one think, Kenny ... no flesh can believe the things
of the Bible which are spirit.  The flesh seeks proof.  The spirit gives
proof.  The flesh cites apparent contradictory evidence.  The spirit
discerns the falseness of the apparent contradictory evidence, recognizing
that it is always and only a ploy by the enemy of God, and the enemy of us,
to drive men away from God, and into any other explanation.

There is a war on for your eternal soul.  The ONLY way you can win that
war is by putting your fate in the hands of the One who has already won
the war.  If you try to do any part of it on your own, you will perish.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to eternal life.  Literally.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91616 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

On 8/1/2016 9:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[...]
> Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to eternal life.  Literally.

What happened to all those souls who died after Adam and Eve, and before 
Jesus?  (You said that "death entered the world as a result of the sin of 
Adam", and that "Jesus undoes the work of sin, and sets us free from death". 
  Does that mean all those people are just "dead"?)

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#91619 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

On 03/08/16 20:04, Ken Brody wrote:
> On 8/1/2016 9:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [...]
>> Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to eternal life.  Literally.
>
> What happened to all those souls who died after Adam and Eve, and before
> Jesus?  (You said that "death entered the world as a result of the sin
> of Adam", and that "Jesus undoes the work of sin, and sets us free from
> death".  Does that mean all those people are just "dead"?)


Ken, you know better than this, surely? If you're genuinely interested 
in the answer to that question, why not ask it in 
alt.religion.christianity? And if you're not, what makes you think 
anyone else in comp.lang.c will be?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#91620 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 3:04:20 PM UTC-4, Ken Brody wrote:
> On 8/1/2016 9:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [...]
> > Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to eternal life.  Literally.
> 
> What happened to all those souls who died after Adam and Eve, and before 
> Jesus?  (You said that "death entered the world as a result of the sin of 
> Adam", and that "Jesus undoes the work of sin, and sets us free from death". 
>   Does that mean all those people are just "dead"?)

Consider there have been three major ages:

    1) the time after the fall before the Law of Moses
    2) the time after the Law of Moses
    3) the time after Jesus Christ

And promise/covenant ages as well:

    1) Promise to Noah, and his descendants.
    2) Promise to Abraham, and his descendants.

The book of Job is the oldest book in the Bible (even though it's not
the first book of the Bible, believed to have been written shortly after
the flood due to the length of time it says Job would've lived (long
enough to have already had 10 adult children who all died when Satan
attacked him, and then to be restored afterward and have 10 more children
which he was able to see out to the 4th generation, as people during this
time after the flood were still living longer).

The Bible describes Job as a righteous man, seeking God, turning away
from evil, and engaged in regular religious rituals.  So, even during
this period of time from the fall of Adam, forward through the flood,
on to the time before the Law was given to Moses, there was knowledge
of God, and people actually began to call upon the name of God when
Seth was born (http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/4-26.htm), very soon
after the fall.

People were, at this time, operating on behavior, listening to the
guidance of God directly, as it is recorded that God addressed Cain,
for example, guiding him toward righteousness, telling him to turn
away from sin (http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/4-7.htm).  Those who
were obedient, as by their inner nature, looking unto God, were saved.

God gave Abraham a covenant that his people would flourish, and that
he would become a great nation.  Those were God's chosen people, and
the line continued.  Those who followed after God, being obedient also
to their inner nature, looking unto God, were saved.

The Law of Moses was later given to God's people, and it outlined the
10 commandments, plus a host of other laws to obey.  The entire Law
foreshadows the coming of Jesus Christ, and the prophets God sent would
speak of His coming, written down in various writings, from various
prophets, at various times given by God unto the prophets and people
over many centuries.

Those who looked forward to the coming Messiah, and observed the
religious rituals were saved.

When Jesus came, He changed everything.  He divided time (B.C. Before
Christ, and A.D. Anno Domini "In the year of our Lord").  He gave us
grace and truth, and put the Law to death in His own body, by becoming
a single sin offering for all time, because He lives forever and is
then able to make intercession for those for whom He was sacrificed,
unlike the periodic and regular animal sacrifices offered up by the
Jews, which had to continue on in a repeating fashion because they did
not have salvation power, but only sustaining power as they continued
to look forward to the coming Messiah.

Even then when Jesus came, not all of the Jews were saved.  Many of
them were only "Jew looking" outward, as they had the appearance of a
teacher of the Law of Moses, and knew the texts, but in their heart
they were far from God.  As such, many of them were not saved even
though they were Jews, and even though they kept the Law, because it
was a heart condition (they were keeping the Law not for God, but
for show and pretense).

Since Jesus has come, He has given us a new path to salvation.  It's
why He divided time.

We now live in the age of grace, and at a time post-Pentecost, where
things for mankind are different.  We no longer have to go through a
priest, or through the temple, to reach God (there used to be a special
room in the Jewish Temple called "The Holy of Holies," and only the
High Priest (an elected position) could enter, and only once per year,
and he would cleanse everything with blood and water, and make an
offering for his people to atone for another year.  The Holy of Holies
was separated by a thick curtain barrier which prevented those in the
Holy Place from entering the Most Holy Place.

When Jesus went to the cross, He sacrificed His own body in the manner
after the Jews, which is why He's called "The Lamb of God" and "The
Sacrificial Lamb."  Whereas animals were burnt on the alter as an
offering, Jesus was not burnt on the alter.  He was beaten here in
this world and suffered bodily harm, but where He was burnt was in
the heart of Hell where He went to pay the price for our sin.

Jesus did not simply "go through the motion" of saving us, He actually
bought us by His sacrifice.  He went to Hell and suffered the pain and
agony as God the Father poured out His wrath undiluted, full strength
upon His Son, crushing Him in Hell.  The Bible actually records that
He was bruised for our iniquity, meaning the punishment He endured in
Hell actually bruised The Almighty God ... that's how severe it was,
as all of God's anger and wrath against all of the sin all of the people
past, present, and future, were laid upon Jesus at the cross, so that
He would pay that price, so that He would taste death once for us all,
so that we might be set free and live.

Because of that, we now live in the age of grace where we can approach
God directly.  We no longer have to go through a mediator because Jesus
has already paid the price of our sin, and at Pentecost He sent us His
Holy Spirit so that we can be guided into all truth upon receiving
salvation.

Various things happened at the cross when Jesus was being crucified, and
when He died.  It became dark for the last three hours, and there was a
great earthquake when He died.  The last thing He said was, "Into Your
hands I commend my spirit," and then He let out a loud should and died.

At that moment when the earthquake struck, the city was divided into
three.  The Jewish Temple was destroyed, and the thick curtain separating
the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place was ripped in two from top to
bottom, signifying that Jesus had broken through that barrier, so that
we now can go directly before God, through Jesus Christ, through the
forgiveness He gives us, restoring us rightly to our Eternal King.

For the time before a person becomes a believer:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/acts/17-30.htm
    "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth
     all men every where to repent:"

But when someone hears the gospel message, and is taught of sin, and is
taught of eternal life, and the punishment of sin, they are then without
excuse if they continue on in their former ways, and God gives them this
witness so that it is clear to all which direction was chosen.

For the soon-believer, it's a wakeup call.  They recognize their own sin,
their need of forgiveness, their need of repentance, and they come to
Jesus, ask forgiveness, and are saved.

For the will-not-believe person, it's a death sentence.  It is a witness
against them in the court of God that will be played on that final day
as the books of their life are opened, and the events of their life are
read for the record.

In one way or another, God has appeared to every person who has ever
lived.  He's come to them in a way they can understand, and He's made
His presence known to them.  He's shown them truth, rightness, how to
be a proper person in whatever timeframe of history they were in, so
as to establish conclusively who they are, not only for God (because
He already knew), but for the record, and for a testimony before all
of creation on the last day:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/daniel/12-2.htm
    "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
     some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting
     contempt."

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/20-12.htm
    "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the
     books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book
     of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were
     written in the books, according to their works."

Christians who accept Jesus Christ in this age of grace, however, will
not be judged:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/john/5-24.htm
    "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and
     believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall
     not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."

We will, however, still stand before God and give an account of our
lives.  Those things which we did for Him, we will receive a reward
in Heaven.  Those things we did for selfish reason will be burned up
and we will not receive a reward.

-----
This is a comprehensive teaching, and it would take a long time to go
through all of it.  I have been going to church and studying the Bible
since 2004, and I learn new things every day as my walk with Christ,
and my growth in understanding scripture matures over time.

My son was born in 2004, and I came to faith later on in that year in
2004.  My son and I joke about the fact that he's older than I am,
with regards to my Christian walk.  So, I am a 12-year old, making
mistakes at times, but knowing a lot, and continuing to learn more in
an ongoing manner.

If anyone sets their sights on the truth, the big picture aspects of
what it means to be a Christian will come to them very quickly through
Bible Study, Sunday School, messages from sermons, and so on.  As with
newborn babies, many hands tend to them.  And with new Christians, many
hands of angels, and the hand of God Himself, tends to them.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91621 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

In article <nntf7b$88f$1@dont-email.me>,
Ken Brody  <kenbrody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>On 8/1/2016 9:58 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>[...]
>> Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to eternal life.  Literally.
>
>What happened to all those souls who died after Adam and Eve, and before 
>Jesus?  (You said that "death entered the world as a result of the sin of 
>Adam", and that "Jesus undoes the work of sin, and sets us free from death". 
>  Does that mean all those people are just "dead"?)

Pretty much, yeah.  Not only "dead", but condemned to the lake of fire.

The main thing that put me off religion at a very young age was the
realization that there were other people in the world.  Regardless of which
religion you subscribe to, you quickly come to the realization that most of
the world's 7 billion plus people are going straight to hell, and through,
really, no fault of their own.  I simply could not abide that.

But, even beyond that, many more-or-less mainstream religions have no
problem with claiming that only a very small percentage of people are going
to be saved.  JW's believe that it is 144K, and not one more.  Presbys
believe something similar.

Furthermore, as you say, anyone who died before 33 AD is automatically
dead, as is, in Catholicism, anyone who died before c. 1050.  Catholicism
teaches that confession is essential to salvation, and since that wasn't
invented until some time in the 11th century, well, you do the math.  So,
that's another 1000 years of people doomed through no fault of their own.

-- 
Amazingly, it's beginning to look like W is the smart one.

But Jeb will still be the nominee (seriously, who else can/could it be?)

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#91622 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 4:06:34 PM UTC-4, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> The main thing that put me off religion at a very young age...

Dig deeper, Kenny.

When you watch movies today you haven't seen for a couple decades, do
you remember them in the same way you did back then?  Are the story
lines exactly as you remembered them back then?  Do you see more subtlety
and nuance in those movies than you did back then?

The Bible is the same way.  And God has been preparing those who will
be saved throughout their entire life, preparing them for the day of
their salvation which will come for all who will believe at the proper
time.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91627 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

On 03/08/2016 21:11, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, <crap; no value stuff>

It just occurred to me whether you would to have my executables to run 
on your machine so that you can try them?

03/08/2016  20:52           175,616 count01.exe
03/08/2016  23:09            82,944 Main_Square.exe
03/08/2016  20:52            64,512 simple.exe
03/08/2016  20:52           150,528 simple02.exe

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#91555 — Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity)

On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 8:45:06 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <9ebf4cbe-6bce-4c2e-a492-4c2fa3295eef@googlegroups.com>,
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> >The Genesis account is the literal account of history.  To undermine
> >it, is to undermine everything about the Bible.
> 
> Rick is quite right about this.  If you don't accept the biblical story of
> creation, the whole fabric of the Bible and, thus, any/all religions
> derived from it, falls apart.  Since no sane person truly, actually
> believes that the Earth (and the Universe) is only 6Kyo or any of the other
> stuff in Genesis, it follows that no sane person can really, truly,
> actually be religions.
> 
> What I am saying here is that the "cafeteria Christian" position taken by
> most people (including, I dare say, most/all of the folks in this newsgroup
> who claim to be "Christian") simply is not tenable.

I partly agree, but there are ways to achieve sanity from this starting
point. I found a great deal of help in the writings of P.D. Ouspensky,
and Blavatsky's Studies in Occultism (spoiler: it's actually "Cre^stian"
and everyone has been misspelling it these few thousand years).
Lots of fine material is available free online now, like Yogi Ramachakra
(aka William Walter Atkinson) Studies in Raja Yoga.

If you read something like Asimov's Guide to the Bible or Edward O. 
Wilson's Consilience or Dian Fortune's writings about the Cabalistic
Tree of Life, then a deeper sense of the ways in which religion can
be "true" and still misinterpreted. And that there is a oneness, a
larger unity -- by definition -- to the universe.

Ouspensky describes an idea from Gurdjieff that the whole of humanity
is divided into three concentric circles: the exoteric (pl33bs),
the mesoteric (people with at least one lick of sense), and the 
esoteric (lit. "behind the curtain", a reference to the Pythagorean
School). The closer to the center you approach, the more you simply
must agree on things of substance with others at the same radius. 
Truth is singular.

I have reduced this idea to a simple test which has yet to fail me:
whatever all religions agree on, they're all correct (or at least
isomorphic); whatever religions disagree on, they're *all* wrong.

And if a Positivistic Materialist looks at you funny, just say it's
all "Jungian" and you can share a laugh about it.

> Finally, note that the only way one can claim (while remaining sane) that
> the biblical account is "literally" true is by perverting the meaning of
> the word "literally" in the way that has become fashionable nowadays.  This
> perversion is described at:
> 
>     http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=literally
> 
> which says that:
> 
>     People often confuse this word with figuratively.
> 

David Cross has a brilliant rant about this.

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#91377

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
[snip]

Rick posts using a valid e-mail address.  If you want to complain
to him (and I know from experience it will do no good), please do
it by e-mail and keep it off the newsgroup.  Those of us who have
killfiled Rick would appreciate it.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#91380 — Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile

In article <lny44i6emo.fsf@kst-u.example.com>,
Keith Thompson  <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
>[snip]
>
>Rick posts using a valid e-mail address.  If you want to complain
>to him (and I know from experience it will do no good), please do
>it by e-mail and keep it off the newsgroup.  Those of us who have
>killfiled Rick would appreciate it.

Don't you have the ability to kill-by-thread?

-- 
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.

	- Napoleon Bonaparte -

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#91381 — Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile

On 30/07/2016 22:30, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <lny44i6emo.fsf@kst-u.example.com>,
> Keith Thompson  <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
>> [snip]
>>
>> Rick posts using a valid e-mail address.  If you want to complain
>> to him (and I know from experience it will do no good), please do
>> it by e-mail and keep it off the newsgroup.  Those of us who have
>> killfiled Rick would appreciate it.
> Don't you have the ability to kill-by-thread?
>
In Thunderbird there is a way.

You just ignore the thread or sub-thread and it does the job.

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#91383 — Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile

In article <nnj7g7$e1v$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
Real Troll  <real.troll@trolls.com> wrote:
>On 30/07/2016 22:30, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> In article <lny44i6emo.fsf@kst-u.example.com>,
>> Keith Thompson  <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>>> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Rick posts using a valid e-mail address.  If you want to complain
>>> to him (and I know from experience it will do no good), please do
>>> it by e-mail and keep it off the newsgroup.  Those of us who have
>>> killfiled Rick would appreciate it.
>> Don't you have the ability to kill-by-thread?
>>
>In Thunderbird there is a way.
>
>You just ignore the thread or sub-thread and it does the job.
>

That's the point.  See, I'm sure that Keith *does* have the ability to
kill-by-thread, but he would have us believe that he doesn't.  That is,
he would have us believe that he is running some low-functionality method
of Usenet access (e.g., the most
low-functionality-but-surprisingly-widely-used method of all, namely,
Google Groups) that prevents him from doing so, when in fact, he just can't
resist net-copping Rick (and everyone else).  It (net-copping this
newsgroup) is how he defines his life.

-- 
Marshall: 10/22/51
Jessica: 4/4/79

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#91399 — Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile

gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) writes:

> It (net-copping this newsgroup) is how he defines his life.

The phrase "Net Copping" does not occur in the C Standard (or even its
non-normative footnotes), therefore it cannot possibly be how Keith
defines his life.

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#91410

W dniu sobota, 30 lipca 2016 04:25:47 UTC+2 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin napisał:
> The Problem with Christianity:
> 
> Ken Ham lays out the problem with Christianity very very clearly:
> 
i was not seein this but the problem with christianity is simple (at least i may state such thouht): it mixes an indepth and important insight/knowledge with a lot of bulshit (this is also your prolem you mix value with trash)

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#91563

On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:02:29 -0700, fir wrote:

> W dniu sobota, 30 lipca 2016 04:25:47 UTC+2 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin
> napisał:
>> The Problem with Christianity:
>> 
>> Ken Ham lays out the problem with Christianity very very clearly:

	The problem? Only one?

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#91574

On Tuesday, August 2, 2016 at 10:07:52 AM UTC-4, Jens Stuckelberger wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:02:29 -0700, fir wrote:
> 
> > W dniu sobota, 30 lipca 2016 04:25:47 UTC+2 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin
> > napisał:
> >> The Problem with Christianity:
> >> 
> >> Ken Ham lays out the problem with Christianity very very clearly:
> 
> 	The problem? Only one?

I you watch the original video, Ken Ham explains that Christians have not
done a good enough job asserting God, and teaching people the Biblical
foundations, and therein lies the problem.  It's not an issue with
Christianity, but the people who profess Christianity.  We need to do a
better job of teaching.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91867

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 4:25:47 AM UTC+2, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The Problem with Christianity:
>There is an anti-Christ spirit at work in this world teaching things which 
>go against Jesus Christ, and His teachings.  

antichrists are just the ones
say Christ is not (God and real man)

> Ken Ham lays out the problem with Christianity very very clearly:
> 
>     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdBBH7bRoY&t=14m6s
> 
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

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