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| Started by | Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2017-06-17 23:59 -0100 |
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What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-17 23:59 -0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-06-17 17:51 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-18 00:00 -0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-17 21:32 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-18 00:50 -0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 03:40 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-06-18 11:48 +0200
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 13:13 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 16:20 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-18 14:49 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 15:46 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-19 00:16 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-19 05:37 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-06-19 09:25 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-19 17:35 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-19 18:19 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-19 20:51 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-19 21:16 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-06-19 04:58 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-19 17:43 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-06-19 22:16 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-20 11:53 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-06-20 22:45 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2017-06-18 18:17 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 18:20 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-06-18 18:27 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-06-20 11:11 +0200
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-06-20 10:27 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-20 10:54 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-06-20 12:25 +0200
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-20 12:34 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-06-20 05:37 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-20 14:11 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-20 14:35 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-06-18 17:30 +0000
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 21:21 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 21:23 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 21:47 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2017-06-18 17:01 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-06-19 10:41 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 21:50 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-06-18 13:52 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2017-06-20 11:16 +0200
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-06-26 15:54 +0000
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2017-06-18 17:13 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2017-06-18 17:17 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-06-18 15:14 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2017-06-18 18:24 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-06-19 04:11 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 23:01 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-06-17 19:55 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-06-18 02:10 -0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 04:15 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-06-18 08:31 +0000
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> - 2017-06-18 18:28 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-06-18 11:25 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-06-18 19:13 +0000
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 14:30 -0700
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-06-18 23:04 +0100
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-06-18 10:43 +0200
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-18 10:33 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-06-19 01:27 +0200
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-06-18 21:16 -0400
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-18 13:45 +1200
Re: What is the difference between (r+ and w+) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-06-17 19:05 -0700
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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 21:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <oi6os3$222$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112491 |
On 18/06/17 21:32, Good Guy wrote: > On 18/06/2017 21:21, Richard Heathfield wrote: >> >> Agreed, but that doesn't mean printf is /in/ stdio.h. >> > Then why use it in a program? For pleasure? The inclusion of <stdio.h> into a C translation unit brings into scope a number of *prototypes* of standard library functions (and some useful type definitions and named constants). It is the standard *library* that contains the functions, and this is linked, not included. This may or may not bring you pleasure, depending on the program you write. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 13:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ln1sqhhvcg.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #112491 |
Good Guy <Hello.World@Example.com> writes:
> On 18/06/2017 21:21, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>
>> Agreed, but that doesn't mean printf is /in/ stdio.h.
>>
> Then why use it in a program? For pleasure?
Because printf is *declared* in <stdio.h>.
The statement we're talking about, that
All the standard functions for file input/output are contained
in the stdio.h header file.
is at best poorly worded, and at worst simply incorrect. If it had
instead said:
Declarations for all the standard functions for file input/output
are contained in the stdio.h header file.
or
All the standard functions for file input/output are declared
in the stdio.h header file.
it would be correct. It seems to be typical of the sloppiness in the
book.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> |
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| Date | 2017-06-20 11:16 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <oiaour$h1s$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112491 |
Le 18/06/2017 à 22:21, Richard Heathfield a écrit :
>
> Right. But one place you certainly *won't* see them is in <stdio.h>.
Wrong. Bartc showed the following excerpt of mingw stdio.h
__mingw_ovr
__attribute__((__format__ (gnu_printf, 1, 2))) __MINGW_ATTRIB_NONNULL(1)
int printf (const char *__format, ...)
{
register int __retval;
__builtin_va_list __local_argv; __builtin_va_start( __local_argv,
__format );
__retval = __mingw_vprintf( __format, __local_argv );
__builtin_va_end( __local_argv );
return __retval;
}
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| From | raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) |
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| Date | 2017-06-26 15:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <59512dc2.1088234@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #112670 |
jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
> Le 18/06/2017 à 22:21, Richard Heathfield a écrit :
> >
> > Right. But one place you certainly *won't* see them is in <stdio.h>.
>
> Wrong. Bartc showed the following excerpt of mingw stdio.h
>
> __mingw_ovr
> __attribute__((__format__ (gnu_printf, 1, 2))) __MINGW_ATTRIB_NONNULL(1)
> int printf (const char *__format, ...)
> {
> register int __retval;
> __builtin_va_list __local_argv; __builtin_va_start( __local_argv,
> __format );
> __retval = __mingw_vprintf( __format, __local_argv );
> __builtin_va_end( __local_argv );
> return __retval;
> }
Yeah, but that's quibbling. Now you still have to define va_* and
vprintf(). You might as well say that France is part of the Netherlands
because we have a French embassy in Den Haag.
Richard
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| From | Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 17:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oi6q6d$69k$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112481 |
Good Guy wrote:
[snip]
> If you think you can run printf() without stdio.h then good luck to you.
Thanks, but I don't need luck; I know how to program. And, yes, I can "run
printf()" without including stdio.h in my code...
17:10 $ cat nostdio.c
int printf(char *, ...);
int main(void)
{
int i;
for (i = 0; i < 3; ++i)
printf("Count %d - this is a test\n",i);
return 0;
}
17:10 $ cc -o nostdio -mtune=native -Wall -std=c99 -pedantic nostdio.c
17:10 $ ./nostdio
Count 0 - this is a test
Count 1 - this is a test
Count 2 - this is a test
17:10 $
Q.E.D.
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"
PGP public key available upon request
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| From | Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 17:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oi6qf1$69k$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112502 |
Lew Pitcher wrote:
> Good Guy wrote:
>
> [snip]
>> If you think you can run printf() without stdio.h then good luck to you.
>
> Thanks, but I don't need luck; I know how to program. And, yes, I can "run
> printf()" without including stdio.h in my code...
>
> 17:10 $ cat nostdio.c
> int printf(char *, ...);
>
> int main(void)
> {
> int i;
> for (i = 0; i < 3; ++i)
> printf("Count %d - this is a test\n",i);
> return 0;
> }
> 17:10 $ cc -o nostdio -mtune=native -Wall -std=c99 -pedantic nostdio.c
> 17:10 $ ./nostdio
> Count 0 - this is a test
> Count 1 - this is a test
> Count 2 - this is a test
> 17:10 $
And, before the more knowledgable C programmers of the group point out my
mistake in the prototype for printf(), you can have...
17:14 $ cat nostdio.c
int printf(const char *, ...);
int main(void)
{
int i;
for (i = 0; i < 3; ++i)
printf("Count %d - this is a test\n",i);
return 0;
}
17:14 $ cc -o nostdio -mtune=native -Wall -std=c99 -pedantic nostdio.c
17:15 $ ./nostdio
Count 0 - this is a test
Count 1 - this is a test
Count 2 - this is a test
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"
PGP public key available upon request
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 15:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lnwp89gcz2.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #112503 |
Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> writes:
> Lew Pitcher wrote:
[...]
>> Thanks, but I don't need luck; I know how to program. And, yes, I can "run
>> printf()" without including stdio.h in my code...
>>
>> 17:10 $ cat nostdio.c
>> int printf(char *, ...);
[snip]
> And, before the more knowledgable C programmers of the group point out my
> mistake in the prototype for printf(), you can have...
>
> 17:14 $ cat nostdio.c
> int printf(const char *, ...);
I'd use:
int printf(const char * restrict format, ...);
unless I had to worry about pre-C99 compilers. It's likely I could
get away with omitting "const" and/or "restrict", but it's easier
to copy the standard declaration than to think about what changes
I can get away with. (All this assumes I have some reason not to
use #include <stdio.h>.)
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 18:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oi6ucp$l9q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112507 |
Keith Thompson wrote:
> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> writes:
>> Lew Pitcher wrote:
> [...]
>>> Thanks, but I don't need luck; I know how to program. And, yes, I can
>>> "run printf()" without including stdio.h in my code...
>>>
>>> 17:10 $ cat nostdio.c
>>> int printf(char *, ...);
> [snip]
>> And, before the more knowledgable C programmers of the group point out my
>> mistake in the prototype for printf(), you can have...
>>
>> 17:14 $ cat nostdio.c
>> int printf(const char *, ...);
>
> I'd use:
>
> int printf(const char * restrict format, ...);
>
> unless I had to worry about pre-C99 compilers.
Ahhh... of course.
There seems to be a difference between the prototype published on my
system's manpage for printf
int printf(const char *format, ...);
and the C99 standard
int printf(const char restrict *format, ...);
> It's likely I could
> get away with omitting "const" and/or "restrict", but it's easier
> to copy the standard declaration than to think about what changes
> I can get away with. (All this assumes I have some reason not to
> use #include <stdio.h>.)
Also, of course.
But, then again, /I/ (like you) understand the differences between function
libraries (like libc.so or msvcrt.dll) and #include headers while some
others here apparently do not. :-)
--
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"
PGP public key available upon request
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| From | Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2017-06-19 04:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <kfnwp88mdv2.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu> |
| In reply to | #112507 |
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
> Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> writes:
>
>> [to be able to use printf() without #include <stdio.h>]
>>
>> 17:14 $ cat nostdio.c
>> int printf(const char *, ...);
>
> I'd use:
>
> int printf(const char * restrict format, ...);
>
> unless I had to worry about pre-C99 compilers. [...]
I would use
extern int printf( const char *, ... );
so that I don't have to worry about whether I have to worry
about pre-C99 compilers.
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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 23:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <oi6t10$fas$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112502 |
On 18/06/17 22:52, Good Guy wrote:
> On 18/06/2017 22:13, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>> Good Guy wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>> If you think you can run printf() without stdio.h then good luck to you.
>> Thanks, but I don't need luck; I know how to program. And, yes, I can "run
>> printf()" without including stdio.h in my code...
>>
>> 17:10 $ cat nostdio.c
>> int printf(char *, ...);
>>
>> int main(void)
>> {
>> int i;
>> for (i = 0; i < 3; ++i)
>> printf("Count %d - this is a test\n",i);
>> return 0;
>> }
>> 17:10 $ cc -o nostdio -mtune=native -Wall -std=c99 -pedantic nostdio.c
>> 17:10 $ ./nostdio
>> Count 0 - this is a test
>> Count 1 - this is a test
>> Count 2 - this is a test
>> 17:10 $
>>
>> Q.E.D.
>>
>>
> Well then you can continue playing with your toy apps.
>
> I said you can't do anything meaningful without stdio.h
That's a strawman argument. The point at issue was whether stdio.h
contains functions. I said it doesn't, and I'm right. I was *not*
claiming that stdio.h has no purpose.
> but as expected,
> you guys aren't doing anything useful here apart from arguing about
> nothng.
And your strawman argument is *something*?
> IOW starting a fight in an empty room.
Neither Lew nor I started the thread; "Christopher" did. This isn't a
fight; it's a discussion. Nor is it empty; several people have
contributed to the thread. And nor is it a room; it's a newsgroup.
But, leaving those four objections, your sentence is otherwise correct.
--
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2017-06-17 19:55 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lnvanuhunq.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #112425 |
Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 18/06/2017 02:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 6/17/2017 9:00 PM, Christopher wrote:
>>> On 18/06/2017 01:51, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>> Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>> r+ Opens a text file to read from or write to
>>>>> w+ Opens a text file to write to or read from
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks exactly the same thing to me!!
>>>> What reference did you use? Here's what the C standard says
>>>> (N1570 7.21.5.3p3):
>>>>
>>>> r+ open text file for update (reading and writing)
>>>> w+ truncate to zero length or create text file for update
>>>>
>>> This is a copy from the book!!
>>>
>>> <https://i.cubeupload.com/pdNkOH.png>
>> Yes, but although your book isn't very clear on this (at least not what
>> you posted - I don't know what the rest of the text says), these are
>> extensions of the "r" and "w" modes.
>>
>> "r" opens an existing file to read, while "r+ does the same but also
>> allows writing.
>>
>> "w" opens a file to write. If one exists, it is truncated; otherwise a
>> new file is created. "w+" does the same but also allows reading.
>>
>
> The book is pretty simple. It is for newbies like me and it gives step
> by step instructions of how to do things. See this two page doc from
> the book re files creation:
>
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwx0lG_v1tcONExSejZWMGJaMUU/view?usp=sharing>
Does the book's author think that beginners don't need to know that "w+"
truncates an existing file?
That's twice you've posted excerpts from the book without identifying
it. Are you keeping the title and author secret?
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 02:10 -0100 |
| Message-ID | <oi4qno$f8j$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #112430 |
On 18/06/2017 03:55, Keith Thompson wrote: > Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >> On 18/06/2017 02:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 6/17/2017 9:00 PM, Christopher wrote: >>>> On 18/06/2017 01:51, Keith Thompson wrote: >>>>> Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>>>> r+ Opens a text file to read from or write to >>>>>> w+ Opens a text file to write to or read from >>>>>> >>>>>> It looks exactly the same thing to me!! >>>>> What reference did you use? Here's what the C standard says >>>>> (N1570 7.21.5.3p3): >>>>> >>>>> r+ open text file for update (reading and writing) >>>>> w+ truncate to zero length or create text file for update >>>>> >>>> This is a copy from the book!! >>>> >>>> <https://i.cubeupload.com/pdNkOH.png> >>> Yes, but although your book isn't very clear on this (at least not what >>> you posted - I don't know what the rest of the text says), these are >>> extensions of the "r" and "w" modes. >>> >>> "r" opens an existing file to read, while "r+ does the same but also >>> allows writing. >>> >>> "w" opens a file to write. If one exists, it is truncated; otherwise a >>> new file is created. "w+" does the same but also allows reading. >>> >> The book is pretty simple. It is for newbies like me and it gives step >> by step instructions of how to do things. See this two page doc from >> the book re files creation: >> >> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwx0lG_v1tcONExSejZWMGJaMUU/view?usp=sharing> > Does the book's author think that beginners don't need to know that "w+" > truncates an existing file? > > That's twice you've posted excerpts from the book without identifying > it. Are you keeping the title and author secret? > This is the book: <http://ineasysteps.com/products-page/all_books/c-programming-in-easy-steps-4th-edition-2/> C Programming in easy steps, 4th edition by Mike McGrath The guy has written many books: <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mike-McGrath/e/B001JS22XU/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1>
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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 04:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <oi4r2k$d60$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112432 |
On 18/06/17 04:10, Christopher wrote: > On 18/06/2017 03:55, Keith Thompson wrote: >> Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >>> On 18/06/2017 02:32, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> On 6/17/2017 9:00 PM, Christopher wrote: >>>>> On 18/06/2017 01:51, Keith Thompson wrote: >>>>>> Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes: >>>>>>> r+ Opens a text file to read from or write to >>>>>>> w+ Opens a text file to write to or read from >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks exactly the same thing to me!! >>>>>> What reference did you use? Here's what the C standard says >>>>>> (N1570 7.21.5.3p3): >>>>>> >>>>>> r+ open text file for update (reading and writing) >>>>>> w+ truncate to zero length or create text file for update >>>>>> >>>>> This is a copy from the book!! >>>>> >>>>> <https://i.cubeupload.com/pdNkOH.png> >>>> Yes, but although your book isn't very clear on this (at least not what >>>> you posted - I don't know what the rest of the text says), these are >>>> extensions of the "r" and "w" modes. >>>> >>>> "r" opens an existing file to read, while "r+ does the same but also >>>> allows writing. >>>> >>>> "w" opens a file to write. If one exists, it is truncated; otherwise a >>>> new file is created. "w+" does the same but also allows reading. >>>> >>> The book is pretty simple. It is for newbies like me and it gives step >>> by step instructions of how to do things. See this two page doc from >>> the book re files creation: >>> >>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwx0lG_v1tcONExSejZWMGJaMUU/view?usp=sharing> >>> >> Does the book's author think that beginners don't need to know that "w+" >> truncates an existing file? >> >> That's twice you've posted excerpts from the book without identifying >> it. Are you keeping the title and author secret? >> > > This is the book: > > <http://ineasysteps.com/products-page/all_books/c-programming-in-easy-steps-4th-edition-2/> > > > C Programming in easy steps, 4th edition > by Mike McGrath Thanks. Clearly one to avoid. > The guy has written many books: <shrug> -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| From | raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 08:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <594638f9.715859@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #112432 |
Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 18/06/2017 03:55, Keith Thompson wrote: > > That's twice you've posted excerpts from the book without identifying > > it. Are you keeping the title and author secret? > > This is the book: > > <http://ineasysteps.com/products-page/all_books/c-programming-in-easy-steps-4th-edition-2/> C is not a language that can be learned In Easy Steps In 24 Hours For Dummies. It's a language for people who already know how to program, and can deal with a professional treatment. If you are already a decent programmer and want a good introductory book to C, try the original: Kernighan and Ritchie's "C - The Programming Language". If you are not already a programmer, but want a good introductory book to C anyway, forget it. Learn another language first, one which is geared towards making it easy on the programmer to get things right, rather than towards being efficient when he does. I suggest Pascal, but some people like Python. > C Programming in easy steps, 4th edition > by Mike McGrath > > The guy has written many books: So has Barbara Cartland. Richard
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| From | Good Guy <hello.world@example.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 18:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <oi6d72$2r6$1@news.mixmin.net> |
| In reply to | #112447 |
On 18/06/2017 09:31, Richard Bos wrote: > If you are already a decent programmer and want a good introductory > book to C, try the original: Kernighan and Ritchie's "C - The > Programming Language". If you are not already a programmer, but want a > good introductory book to C anyway, forget it. A book titled "C A Software Engineering Approach" by Peter A. Darnell Philip & E. Margolis is quite good IMO. <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Peter-A.-Darnell/e/B001HCZNGQ/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0> I have got the one on the right shown at the above link. -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 11:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lna855i25d.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #112447 |
raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) writes:
[...]
> If you are already a decent programmer and want a good introductory book
> to C, try the original: Kernighan and Ritchie's "C - The Programming
> Language".
Use the second edition, not the first. (That's probably not much of an
issue; the first edition is hard to find these days.)
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5946d0ac.112984@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #112485 |
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: > raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) writes: > [...] > > If you are already a decent programmer and want a good introductory book > > to C, try the original: Kernighan and Ritchie's "C - The Programming > > Language". > > Use the second edition, not the first. (That's probably not much of an > issue; the first edition is hard to find these days.) I certainly agree - in fact, I wish I could find a first edition, just for curiosity's sake, but I wouldn't recommend it to learn from these days. Richard
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| From | David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 14:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c3ad388e-367b-447c-be67-1480e5e10dfb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #112486 |
On Sunday, June 18, 2017 at 12:14:07 PM UTC-7, Richard Bos wrote: > Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> wrote: > > > raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) writes: > > [...] > > > If you are already a decent programmer and want a good introductory book > > > to C, try the original: Kernighan and Ritchie's "C - The Programming > > > Language". > > > > Use the second edition, not the first. (That's probably not much of an > > issue; the first edition is hard to find these days.) > > I certainly agree - in fact, I wish I could find a first edition, just > for curiosity's sake, but I wouldn't recommend it to learn from these > days. I have a copy of the 1978 book and I can assure you - while interesting historically - it is quite misleading about any kind of C since the C89 standard.
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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 23:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <oi6t6a$fas$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #112504 |
On 18/06/17 23:00, Good Guy wrote: > On 18/06/2017 22:30, David Kleinecke wrote: >> >> I have a copy of the 1978 book and I can assure you - while >> interesting historically - it is quite misleading about any >> kind of C since the C89 standard. > > For toy programs it must be pretty good. Yep. It's pretty good for real programs, too. Not perfect, of course. But pretty darn good. > Personally, I won't waste any time on that book That much is obvious from your contributions to date. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| From | GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-06-18 10:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <20170618104354.58533b3e33a8eb1654f41263@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #112432 |
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 02:10:32 -0100 Christopher <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > This is the book: > > <http://ineasysteps.com/products-page/all_books/c-programming-in-easy-steps-4th-edition-2/> > > C Programming in easy steps, 4th edition > by Mike McGrath > > The guy has written many books: > > <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mike-McGrath/e/B001JS22XU/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1> A so bad track record... as usually educators are the worst experts in their field.
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