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GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded

Started bylovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com>
First post2012-08-22 10:34 -0700
Last post2012-08-27 22:41 -0400
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  GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-22 10:34 -0700
    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Thomas Richter <thor@math.tu-berlin.de> - 2012-08-22 19:50 +0200
    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded fmassei@gmail.com - 2012-08-22 11:04 -0700
    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-22 14:22 -0400
      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-22 18:43 +0000
    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-22 12:08 -0700
      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-22 12:32 -0700
        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-22 20:45 +0100
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-22 22:20 +0200
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-08-23 10:43 +0100
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-23 21:14 +0200
                [OT] Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-08-23 13:27 -0700
                  Re: [OT] Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-23 22:38 +0200
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-08-22 13:40 -0700
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 00:15 -0700
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-23 00:40 -0700
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Mark Bluemel <mark_bluemel@pobox.com> - 2012-08-23 09:48 +0100
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-22 15:56 -0500
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-08-23 10:49 +0100
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 08:32 -0500
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-08-23 14:49 +0100
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-23 17:23 +0200
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded fmassei@gmail.com - 2012-08-23 08:43 -0700
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-23 17:52 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 18:41 +0100
                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-08-23 17:42 +0000
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-08-23 17:43 +0000
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 18:54 -0500
                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-24 09:51 +0200
                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-24 06:21 -0500
                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-09-03 16:55 +0100
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 13:36 -0400
                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Andrew Smallshaw <andrews@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2012-08-27 06:05 +0000
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 12:56 -0700
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-29 21:10 +0100
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-23 21:23 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 18:37 +0100
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-23 21:19 +0200
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 02:40 -0700
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-23 21:15 +0200
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-24 09:52 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-08-25 07:51 +0000
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-26 23:09 +0200
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-22 17:43 -0400
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-08-23 20:17 +0000
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-24 15:09 +0200
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 17:53 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-24 19:02 +0200
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 20:53 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-24 21:33 +0200
                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 02:33 -0700
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 11:41 +0200
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-08-26 08:04 +0000
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 21:08 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-24 21:37 +0200
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-22 15:13 -0700
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-23 10:09 +0200
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-23 13:00 -0400
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 06:33 -0700
        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-08-25 09:06 +0000
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 11:31 +0200
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 13:45 -0500
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:16 +0200
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-25 15:37 -0400
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:40 +0200
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 15:01 -0500
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 22:03 +0200
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 17:11 -0700
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-26 11:46 +0200
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 03:07 -0700
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 12:22 +0200
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-25 09:35 -0400
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 17:28 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-25 15:00 -0400
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:17 +0200
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 14:23 -0500
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:26 +0200
                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 15:02 -0500
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 22:00 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-25 15:50 -0400
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 12:09 -0700
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:20 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 17:32 -0700
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-25 17:55 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 18:49 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-25 15:23 -0400
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:30 +0200
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-26 02:19 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-26 02:23 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 18:02 -0700
                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-26 09:18 +0200
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-26 02:04 -0700
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-26 13:35 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded eq mail <eq.mail.id@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 02:10 -0700
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 15:59 +0100
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 17:26 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 13:50 -0500
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:21 +0200
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-25 15:27 -0400
                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-08-25 21:36 +0200
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-06 14:41 +0300
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-07 17:50 +0200
                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 19:13 +0300
                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-07 19:17 +0200
                                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-09 11:12 +0300
                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 19:37 +0300
                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2012-09-07 19:22 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 12:14 -0700
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-08-25 23:13 +0000
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-26 00:28 -0700
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-08-26 11:15 +0000
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 17:33 +0100
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2012-08-26 18:59 +0000
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-26 14:07 -0700
    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Andrew Cooper <amc96@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-08-22 22:37 +0100
      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-22 15:16 -0700
        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) - 2012-08-22 22:26 +0000
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-08-23 02:07 +0100
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-22 22:42 -0400
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-23 00:54 -0500
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded nroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 16:16 -0700
          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Aaron W. Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> - 2012-08-23 13:10 -0500
            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 02:15 -0700
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 13:58 -0400
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2012-08-24 23:12 +0000
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2012-08-25 21:35 +0000
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-08-25 14:59 -0700
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-08-26 12:34 +0200
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2012-08-25 23:52 +0000
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201208.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-08-30 03:18 +0200
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-27 13:41 -0400
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:23 -0700
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-29 10:55 -0400
              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 03:14 -0700
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 11:18 +0100
                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 12:18 -0700
                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 20:06 -0700
                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-26 21:04 -0700
                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 00:19 -0700
                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 01:33 -0700
                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 08:26 -0400
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 07:36 -0700
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-27 17:48 +0200
                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-28 06:15 -0700
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 12:27 -0400
                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-27 19:11 +0200
                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 13:38 -0400
                                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-27 21:48 +0200
                                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 21:54 +0200
                                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-27 21:56 +0200
                                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 16:09 -0400
                                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-27 22:14 +0200
                                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 18:25 -0700
                                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 18:34 -0700
                                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded eq mail <eq.mail.id@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 18:45 -0700
                                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 19:24 -0700
                                                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 07:00 -0700
                                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 23:47 -0700
                                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 01:27 -0700
                                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:20 -0700
                                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 00:55 +0200
                                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 16:43 -0700
                                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:01 +0200
                                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded ais523 <ais523@bham.ac.uk> - 2012-08-27 23:16 +0000
                                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 17:34 -0700
                                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 03:16 +0200
                                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:07 +0200
                                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 13:47 +0200
                                                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 16:17 +0200
                                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-08-31 17:40 -0400
                                                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 00:59 +0200
                                                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Szabolcs Nagy <nsz@port70.net> - 2012-09-03 00:31 +0000
                                                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-03 08:31 +0200
                                                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-03 09:13 +0200
                                                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2012-09-03 15:38 +0000
                                                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-03 18:38 +0200
                                                              Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Ike Naar <ike@iceland.freeshell.org> - 2012-09-03 17:04 +0000
                                                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-03 23:19 +0200
                                                    Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Herbert Rosenau <os2guy@pc-rosenau.de> - 2012-09-03 21:48 +0200
                                                      Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-03 23:41 +0200
                                                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Richard Damon <news.x.richarddamon@xoxy.net> - 2012-09-03 19:37 -0400
                                                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-04 10:14 +0200
                                                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 07:18 -0700
                                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded ais523 <ais523@bham.ac.uk> - 2012-08-28 01:40 +0000
                                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-29 11:02 -0400
                                        Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 22:29 -0400
                                Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 21:11 +0100
                                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 01:38 +0200
                                  Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 17:12 -0700
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 18:41 +0200
                          Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:08 -0700
                            Re: GCC is re-implementing in C++ and C discarded James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 22:41 -0400

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#24876

Fromnroberts <roberts.noah@gmail.com>
Date2012-08-24 16:16 -0700
Message-ID<3bcd19f5-6b88-4c76-bde4-6e91ee0d96d7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#24737
On Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:42:46 PM UTC-7, James Kuyper wrote:

> [Linus's] biggest complaints about C++ were about the maintainability of the
> 
> code. If his complaints are valid, ...

Nothing to worry about there.  Carry on.

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#24773

FromAaron W. Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us>
Date2012-08-23 13:10 -0500
Message-ID<7IqdnYpQqOi476vNnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#24729
pacman@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) writes:

>I hope he's completely dissatisfied and enraged. The last time he got pissed
>off at one of his development tools, he took a few weeks to build a
>replacement and now we have git. Imagine the same thing happening to the
>compiler.

Of course, there are already a number of good C based compiler 
offerings, depending on what you are looking for, so I don't think 
that people who are religious about using C for their compiler have 
to worry that much. PCC comes to mind, as well as OpenWatcom, which, 
I think, is implemented in C.

-- 
Aaron W. Hsu | arcfide@sacrideo.us | http://www.sacrideo.us
Programming is just another word for the lost art of thinking.

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#24829

FromNick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com>
Date2012-08-24 02:15 -0700
Message-ID<36a33495-6dbd-49bc-a36e-59dd1f479902@k3g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>
In reply to#24773
On Aug 23, 7:10 pm, Aaron W. Hsu <arcf...@sacrideo.us> wrote:
> pac...@kosh.dhis.org (Alan Curry) writes:
> >I hope he's completely dissatisfied and enraged. The last time he got pissed
> >off at one of his development tools, he took a few weeks to build a
> >replacement and now we have git. Imagine the same thing happening to the
> >compiler.
>
> Of course, there are already a number of good C based compiler
> offerings, depending on what you are looking for, so I don't think
> that people who are religious about using C for their compiler have
> to worry that much. PCC comes to mind, as well as OpenWatcom, which,
> I think, is implemented in C.

this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
see what was wrong with that statement.

(I'll accpt that some people porting a compiler might care what it was
implemented in)

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#24864

FromKenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Date2012-08-24 13:58 -0400
Message-ID<K4CdnXw67Y5FXarNnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@bestweb.net>
In reply to#24829
On 8/24/2012 5:15 AM, Nick Keighley wrote:
[...]
> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
> see what was wrong with that statement.

"Assembler must be upwards compatible with C, because 'as' is written in C."

"FORTRAN must be upwards compatible with C, because gnu FORTRAN is written 
in C."  (I think.)

Etc., etc., etc.

> (I'll accpt that some people porting a compiler might care what it was
> implemented in)

Agreed.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#24875

From"Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Date2012-08-24 23:12 +0000
Message-ID<k191oh$5u8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24864
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:58:46 -0400, Kenneth Brody wrote:

> On 8/24/2012 5:15 AM, Nick Keighley wrote:
> [...]
>> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
>> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
>> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
>> see what was wrong with that statement.
> 
> "Assembler must be upwards compatible with C, because 'as' is written in C."
> 
> "FORTRAN must be upwards compatible with C, because gnu FORTRAN is written 
> in C."  (I think.)

The name of the language is "Fortran".  It's been Fortran since
the Fortran 1990 standard.

The GNU Fortran frontend is written in C.   Some of the GNU
Fortran runtime is written in m4.  The m4 files when processed
generates Fortran code.  The Fortran code is then compiled by
GNU Fortran.

-- 
steve

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#24957

FromAnonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org>
Date2012-08-25 21:35 +0000
Message-ID<6f7894b62314b9cc3982c03c15467f83@remailer.paranoici.org>
In reply to#24875
"Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:58:46 -0400, Kenneth Brody wrote:
> 
> > On 8/24/2012 5:15 AM, Nick Keighley wrote:
> > [...]
> >> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
> >> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
> >> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
> >> see what was wrong with that statement.
> > 
> > "Assembler must be upwards compatible with C, because 'as' is written in C."
> > 
> > "FORTRAN must be upwards compatible with C, because gnu FORTRAN is written 
> > in C."  (I think.)
> 
> The name of the language is "Fortran".  It's been Fortran since
> the Fortran 1990 standard.

So what? FORTRAN is no less FORTRAN now then it was then. Perhaps he was
talking about gnu's shitty F77 compiler.

Just because people born after 1990 don't know an acronym from a proper name
doesn't change reality.

> The GNU Fortran frontend is written in C.   Some of the GNU
> Fortran runtime is written in m4.  The m4 files when processed
> generates Fortran code.  The Fortran code is then compiled by
> GNU Fortran.

OMG no. You didn't just write "Some of the GNU Fortran runtime is written in
m4."

Oh yes you did. Just another reason not to use gnu's shitty toolchain. How
do you motherfuckers sleep at night?

Goodbye to gcc's grotesque bloat and "i was drinking that night" design,
goodbye to Stallmanesque Marxism, hello clang/LLVM!

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#24958

FromWilliam Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com>
Date2012-08-25 14:59 -0700
Message-ID<reung9-lqo.ln1@wilbur.25thandClement.com>
In reply to#24957
Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
> "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> > The GNU Fortran frontend is written in C.   Some of the GNU
> > Fortran runtime is written in m4.  The m4 files when processed
> > generates Fortran code.  The Fortran code is then compiled by
> > GNU Fortran.
>
> OMG no. You didn't just write "Some of the GNU Fortran runtime is written in
> m4."
>
> Oh yes you did. Just another reason not to use gnu's shitty toolchain. How
> do you motherfuckers sleep at night?
>
> Goodbye to gcc's grotesque bloat and "i was drinking that night" design,
> goodbye to Stallmanesque Marxism, hello clang/LLVM!

Let me get this straight: you call GCC marxist because, unlike clang/LLVM,
it doesn't have the quality of language purity? Because that's basically
what people seem to like about clang/LLVM: that's it's "pure" C++, which
somehow magically makes it better designed. (It may or may not be better
designed than GCC, but C++ doesn't bestow that quality.)

You also seem to forget that M4 and Fortran share a common history. M4 was
originally used to provide control constructs which early Fortran lacked. I
seem to recall "meta-programming" being all the rage, although apparently
it's less useful if the name of the meta-programming language isn't
synonymous with the target language. Because, you know, then it's not pure.

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#25013

FromNomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
Date2012-08-26 12:34 +0200
Message-ID<1883a25d87d083c0d69fdeeed9a5c1d9@dizum.com>
In reply to#24958
William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> wrote:

> Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> wrote:
> > "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > The GNU Fortran frontend is written in C.   Some of the GNU
> > > Fortran runtime is written in m4.  The m4 files when processed
> > > generates Fortran code.  The Fortran code is then compiled by
> > > GNU Fortran.
> >
> > OMG no. You didn't just write "Some of the GNU Fortran runtime is written in
> > m4."
> >
> > Oh yes you did. Just another reason not to use gnu's shitty toolchain. How
> > do you motherfuckers sleep at night?
> >
> > Goodbye to gcc's grotesque bloat and "i was drinking that night" design,
> > goodbye to Stallmanesque Marxism, hello clang/LLVM!
> 
> Let me get this straight: you call GCC marxist because, unlike clang/LLVM,
> it doesn't have the quality of language purity? 

No, gcc is Marxist because Stallman is Marxist. Sorry for any confusion.

> Because that's basically what people seem to like about clang/LLVM: that's
> it's "pure" C++, which somehow magically makes it better designed. (It may
> or may not be better designed than GCC, but C++ doesn't bestow that
> quality.)

I agree with you.

> 
> You also seem to forget that M4 and Fortran share a common history. 

No they don't. Fortran was developed at IBM on IBM machines a very long time
ago, around 1957. This was well before there was such a thing as UNIX or m4.

> M4 was originally used to provide control constructs which early Fortran
> lacked. 

I don't know if you're referring to RATFOR, I don't know how that was
implemented. But that was in UNIX and IBM didn't need it. There were people
using FORTRAN happily then and now on those machines. The compilers were
totally different from anything that came later on other systems. m4 is
really not pretty. IBM had and has today much better (as in more powerful,
more expressive, and more simple to use) preprocessors than are available on
UNIX. Those can be used for FORTRAN as well, with a bit of effort.

> I seem to recall "meta-programming" being all the rage, although
> apparently it's less useful if the name of the meta-programming language
> isn't synonymous with the target language. Because, you know, then it's
> not pure.

Metaprogramming may have been popular on minis, I don't know. But as far as
I know it was never popular on large systems because large systems work was
always about getting stuff done in a simple and high performance way rather
than inventing cutesy names for broken ideas and then turning them into fads.
And anyway I wasn't arguing purity when expressing my loathing of gcc and
everything related to it. I just hate bloat, convoluted code and communism.
Most other stuff doesn't bother me that much ;-) 

> 

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#24965

From"Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu>
Date2012-08-25 23:52 +0000
Message-ID<k1bof0$hhc$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24957
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:35:29 +0000, Anonymous wrote:

> "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:58:46 -0400, Kenneth Brody wrote:
>> 
>> > On 8/24/2012 5:15 AM, Nick Keighley wrote:
>> > [...]
>> >> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
>> >> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
>> >> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
>> >> see what was wrong with that statement.
>> > 
>> > "Assembler must be upwards compatible with C, because 'as' is written in C."
>> > 
>> > "FORTRAN must be upwards compatible with C, because gnu FORTRAN is written 
>> > in C."  (I think.)
>> 
>> The name of the language is "Fortran".  It's been Fortran since
>> the Fortran 1990 standard.
> 
> So what? FORTRAN is no less FORTRAN now then it was then. Perhaps he was
> talking about gnu's shitty F77 compiler.

Except even your spelling in all caps is incorrect.  If you take that time
to look at the Fortran standards, you find that the 'ORTRAN' is written in 
a small cap font.  After 25 years,  is it asking to much to spell the 
name of the language correctly?

GNU GCC does not have a shitty F77 compiler.  g77 was deprecated years ago.
Since April 20, 2005, the Fortran compiler in GCC is gfortran, and for the
last few years gfortran has been competitive with all commercial available
Fortran compilers.
 
>> The GNU Fortran frontend is written in C.   Some of the GNU
>> Fortran runtime is written in m4.  The m4 files when processed
>> generates Fortran code.  The Fortran code is then compiled by
>> GNU Fortran.
> 
> OMG no. You didn't just write "Some of the GNU Fortran runtime is written in
> m4."

Yes, I did.  But, you failed to read the next sentence.  When you build
GCC with gfortran support, the m4 files are processed to generated some
Fortran code for the runtime library.  That Fortran code is then compiled
by the just built Fortran compiler.

http://gcc.gnu.org/viewcvs/trunk/libgfortran/m4/

Your response is a classic example of someone who does not understand
the principle of using the right tool to get a job done.  

> Oh yes you did. Just another reason not to use gnu's shitty toolchain. How
> do you motherfuckers sleep at night?

I sleep quite nicely.  

> Goodbye to gcc's grotesque bloat and "i was drinking that night" design,
> goodbye to Stallmanesque Marxism, hello clang/LLVM!

Have you tried compiling any Fortran code with LLVM?  LLVM does not have
its own Fortran compiler.  It actually uses gfortran.

http://llvm.org/Features.html

"Front-ends for C, C++, Objective-C, Fortran, etc based on the GCC 4.2 parsers."

I can assure you that GCC 4.2.x's Fortran parser is fairly bad compared to 
any of the newer versions.


-- 
steve



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#25475

FromFritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201208.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
Date2012-08-30 03:18 +0200
Message-ID<ae96fae4fd805091554e6f99d466c9a3@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>
In reply to#24965
"Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:35:29 +0000, Anonymous wrote:
> 
> > "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:58:46 -0400, Kenneth Brody wrote:
> >> 
> >> > On 8/24/2012 5:15 AM, Nick Keighley wrote:
> >> > [...]
> >> >> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
> >> >> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
> >> >> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
> >> >> see what was wrong with that statement.
> >> > 
> >> > "Assembler must be upwards compatible with C, because 'as' is written in C."
> >> > 
> >> > "FORTRAN must be upwards compatible with C, because gnu FORTRAN is written 
> >> > in C."  (I think.)
> >> 
> >> The name of the language is "Fortran".  It's been Fortran since
> >> the Fortran 1990 standard.
> > 
> > So what? FORTRAN is no less FORTRAN now then it was then. Perhaps he was
> > talking about gnu's shitty F77 compiler.
> 
> Except even your spelling in all caps is incorrect.  If you take that time
> to look at the Fortran standards, you find that the 'ORTRAN' is written in 
> a small cap font.  After 25 years,  is it asking to much to spell the 
> name of the language correctly?

Many people have no respect for tradition and they seem to think everything
was created after they were born. In reality, FORTRAN was designed and
produced by IBM and came to the rest of the world around 1957. That language
and those implementations are still in regular use. The fact a new language
called Fortran that is a superset of FORTRAN was standardized does not
change the fact FORTRAN was and still is FORTRAN.

Consider a few references:

"The Origins of FORTRAN" presentation by Peter Crouch.
"American National Standard FORTRAN" USAS X3.9-1966
"American National Standard Programming Language FORTRAN" X3.9-1978

It's funny how you think 25 years is such a long time since FORTRAN has been
around for almost 56 years.

> GNU GCC does not have a shitty F77 compiler.  g77 was deprecated years
>  ago.

Ok, but doesn't gfortran support F77 and isn't F77 FORTRAN? I mean, even you
capitalized the name ;-)

> Since April 20, 2005, the Fortran compiler in GCC is gfortran, and for the
> last few years gfortran has been competitive with all commercial available
> Fortran compilers.

On what basis do you claim gfortran is competitive? I'm not saying it isn't
(I certainly doubt that it is but I didn't say that until you said it
is). gcc gives very poor diagnostics and the code generation on platforms
other than Intel is known to be subpar. I'm sure Solaris Studio spanks
gfortran badly on SPARC but thankfully I haven't had to test it.

> >> The GNU Fortran frontend is written in C.   Some of the GNU
> >> Fortran runtime is written in m4.  The m4 files when processed
> >> generates Fortran code.  The Fortran code is then compiled by
> >> GNU Fortran.
> > 
> > OMG no. You didn't just write "Some of the GNU Fortran runtime is written in
> > m4."
> 
> Yes, I did.  But, you failed to read the next sentence.  When you build
> GCC with gfortran support, the m4 files are processed to generated some
> Fortran code for the runtime library.  That Fortran code is then compiled
> by the just built Fortran compiler.

I understood you the first time. I object to the complexity of using an
arcane scripting language in a compilation system and to gcc's general
approach of expediency uberalles instead of discipline. Total ad-hoc
"design" and complete absence of engineering, that's gcc.

> Your response is a classic example of someone who does not understand
> the principle of using the right tool to get a job done.  

I don't agree, but I do say yours is a classic example of having no discipline
in design or coding. Anything goes, right buddy?

> > Goodbye to gcc's grotesque bloat and "i was drinking that night" design,
> > goodbye to Stallmanesque Marxism, hello clang/LLVM!
> 
> Have you tried compiling any Fortran code with LLVM?  LLVM does not have
> its own Fortran compiler.  It actually uses gfortran.

Well no, I haven't. I use IBM FORTRAN IV and occasionally their VS FORTRAN,
and Solaris Studio. Thankfully I only hear about gcc from my disadvantaged
friends.

> http://llvm.org/Features.html
> 
> "Front-ends for C, C++, Objective-C, Fortran, etc based on the GCC 4.2 parsers."
> 
> I can assure you that GCC 4.2.x's Fortran parser is fairly bad compared to 
> any of the newer versions.

I don't dispute that. I'm just happy llvm will be an alternative for people
currently forced to use the shitty gnu tools. Eventually I suspect gcc will
only exist on Linux since the FSF serfs want to eliminate the LGPL on the
runtime. Free, open source software (BSD or MIT licensed) will probably move
to clang/llvm. FreeBSD moving away from gcc to clang is a great milestone in
free software history and against the tyranny of the FSF and its lemmings.

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#25116

FromKenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Date2012-08-27 13:41 -0400
Message-ID<j-CdnXDJ343VLKbNnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@bestweb.net>
In reply to#24875
On 8/24/2012 7:12 PM, Steven G. Kargl wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:58:46 -0400, Kenneth Brody wrote:
>
>> On 8/24/2012 5:15 AM, Nick Keighley wrote:
>> [...]
>>> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
>>> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
>>> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
>>> see what was wrong with that statement.
>>
>> "Assembler must be upwards compatible with C, because 'as' is written in C."
>>
>> "FORTRAN must be upwards compatible with C, because gnu FORTRAN is written
>> in C."  (I think.)
>
> The name of the language is "Fortran".  It's been Fortran since
> the Fortran 1990 standard.

Noted.  Note, too, that the last time I programmed in it, it was spelled 
"FORTRAN".  :-)

> The GNU Fortran frontend is written in C.   Some of the GNU
> Fortran runtime is written in m4.  The m4 files when processed
> generates Fortran code.  The Fortran code is then compiled by
> GNU Fortran.

And m4 was probably written in C as well.

Which just disproves your colleague even further.  Of course, this is 
probably one of those "don't confuse me with facts" scenarios.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#25145

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-27 15:23 -0700
Message-ID<lnoblwas9z.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25116
Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> writes:
> On 8/24/2012 7:12 PM, Steven G. Kargl wrote:
[...]
>> The name of the language is "Fortran".  It's been Fortran since
>> the Fortran 1990 standard.
>
> Noted.  Note, too, that the last time I programmed in it, it was spelled 
> "FORTRAN".  :-)

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortran> shows the cover of a Programmer's
Reference Manual with the name "Fortran".  It was published in 1956.

But there's more to it than that; see
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortran#Capitalization>.

[...]

Shall we get back to C now?

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25390

FromKenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Date2012-08-29 10:55 -0400
Message-ID<oKydndBgdbbFsKPNnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@bestweb.net>
In reply to#25145
On 8/27/2012 6:23 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> writes:
[... "FORTRAN" vs "Fortran" ...]
> Shall we get back to C now?

Agreed.  Sub-thread dropped.

At least we all agree it's "C" and not "c".  :-)

-- 
Kenneth Brody

Note that Thunderbird wants to fix the "misspelled" "Fortran", and offers 
"FORTRAN" as its first suggestion.  :-)

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#24901

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>
Date2012-08-25 03:14 -0700
Message-ID<d27d128b-d721-4adc-b666-3a80bd63f50c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#24829
בתאריך יום שישי, 24 באוגוסט 2012 10:15:49 UTC+1, מאת Nick Keighley:
> On Aug 23, 7:10 pm, Aaron W. Hsu <arcf...@sacrideo.us> wrote:
> 
> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
> see what was wrong with that statement.
> 
The first C++ compilers spat out C code, which was then fed to the C
compiler. Any language can be implemented in any other. The colleague
had probably heard a garbled version of the first statement, and wasn't 
aware of the second.

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#24902

FromRui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Date2012-08-25 11:18 +0100
Message-ID<k1a8q2$b7i$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#24901
Malcolm McLean wrote:

> The first C++ compilers spat out C code, which was then fed to the C
> compiler. Any language can be implemented in any other. The colleague
> had probably heard a garbled version of the first statement, and wasn't
> aware of the second.

If I'm not mistaken, that trick ceassed to work once exceptions were thrown 
in the mix.  


Rui Maciel

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#24938

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-25 12:18 -0700
Message-ID<lnr4qug4qp.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#24901
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
> בתאריך יום שישי, 24 באוגוסט 2012 10:15:49 UTC+1, מאת Nick Keighley:
>> On Aug 23, 7:10 pm, Aaron W. Hsu <arcf...@sacrideo.us> wrote:
>> 
>> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
>> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
>> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
>> see what was wrong with that statement.
>> 
> The first C++ compilers spat out C code, which was then fed to the C
> compiler. Any language can be implemented in any other. The colleague
> had probably heard a garbled version of the first statement, and wasn't 
> aware of the second.

Even so, the existence of a C++ implementation that generates C code
doesn't imply anything about upwards compatibility.  A C program
that uses `new` as an identifier is still an invalid C++ program.

I think it's sufficient to say that the colleage was wrong (on multiple
levels).

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25052

Fromlovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com>
Date2012-08-26 20:06 -0700
Message-ID<12c3eb3a-f1a9-493b-a58b-c572729ec037@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#24938
On Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:18:22 PM UTC, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
> 
> > בתאריך יום שישי, 24 באוגוסט 2012 10:15:49 UTC+1, מאת Nick Keighley:
> 
> >> this whole conversation strikes me as bizzare. A kind of level
> >> confusion. It reminds of one of my collegues who came out with "C++ is
> >> upwards compatible with C because it is implemented in C" and couldn't
> >> see what was wrong with that statement.
> 
> > The first C++ compilers spat out C code, which was then fed to the C
> > compiler. Any language can be implemented in any other. The colleague
> > had probably heard a garbled version of the first statement, and wasn't 
> > aware of the second.
> 
> Even so, the existence of a C++ implementation that generates C code
> doesn't imply anything about upwards compatibility.  A C program
> that uses `new` as an identifier is still an invalid C++ program.
> 

Even their main function aren't compatible, how could they be compatible then?

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#25059

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-26 21:04 -0700
Message-ID<lnharpc74m.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25052
lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> writes:
> On Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:18:22 PM UTC, Keith Thompson wrote:
[...]
>> Even so, the existence of a C++ implementation that generates C code
>> doesn't imply anything about upwards compatibility.  A C program
>> that uses `new` as an identifier is still an invalid C++ program.
>
> Even their main function aren't compatible, how could they be
> compatible then?

Huh?

    int main(void) { }

is perfectly valid in both C and C++, as is

    int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { }

C++ adopted the "(void)" syntax specifically to maintain compatibility
with C.

Even the preferred C++ form:

    int main() { }

, though there's some question about whether it's completely valid in C,
is accepted without complaint by most or all C compilers.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25070

Fromlovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com>
Date2012-08-27 00:19 -0700
Message-ID<b0e36e19-d5e5-43a5-b148-3dd291f1095d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#25059
On Monday, August 27, 2012 4:04:57 AM UTC, Keith Thompson wrote:
> lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On Saturday, August 25, 2012 7:18:22 PM UTC, Keith Thompson wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> Even so, the existence of a C++ implementation that generates C code
> >> doesn't imply anything about upwards compatibility.  A C program
> >> that uses `new` as an identifier is still an invalid C++ program.
> 
> > Even their main function aren't compatible, how could they be
> > compatible then?
> 
>     int main(void) { }
> 
> is perfectly valid in both C and C++, as is
> 
>     int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { }
> 
> C++ adopted the "(void)" syntax specifically to maintain compatibility
> with C.
> 
> Even the preferred C++ form:
> 
>     int main() { }
> 
> , though there's some question about whether it's completely valid in C,
> is accepted without complaint by most or all C compilers.
> 

I saw some C++ code like :)

  void main()
  {
    /*...*/
  }

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#25075

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-27 01:33 -0700
Message-ID<lnd32cd98x.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25070
lovecreatesbeauty <lovecreatesbeauty@gmail.com> writes:
[...]
> I saw some C++ code like :)
>
>   void main()
>   {
>     /*...*/
>   }

How is that relevant?

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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