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  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 16:50 -0700
    Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-08 21:24 -0400
      Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 08:45 -0700
        Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 08:54 -0700
          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 21:22 -0700
          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-13 06:42 +0000
            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 23:54 -0700
              Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-09-13 10:41 -0500
                Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 09:52 -0700
                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-13 20:27 +0000
                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-09-14 21:32 -0500
                Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 09:55 -0700
                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:07 +1200
                    Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-13 14:23 -0700
                      Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:31 +1200
                        Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-13 14:33 -0700
                          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:40 +1200
                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-09-13 15:05 -0700
                          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-14 00:10 +0200
                          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-13 17:16 -0700
                      Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-09-14 21:36 -0500
                    Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 14:29 -0700
                      Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-13 23:47 +0200
                        Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 17:55 -0700
                          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-14 10:20 +0200
                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-14 11:01 +0100
                              Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 22:07 +1200
                              Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-14 12:41 +0200
                              Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-14 03:47 -0700
                                Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 04:05 -0700
                                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 04:20 -0700
                                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-14 05:51 -0700
                                    Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 06:06 -0700
                                      Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-14 06:26 -0700
                                        Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-14 13:43 +0000
                                          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-14 07:26 -0700
                                        Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 06:47 -0700
                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 03:31 -0700
                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-14 06:40 -0400
                              Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-14 14:27 +0200
                                Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-14 13:39 +0100
                                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 05:55 -0700
                                Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 05:50 -0700
                                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-14 15:58 +0200
                                    Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:37 -0700
                                      Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:43 -0700
                                        Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-14 17:21 +0200
                                          Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-14 08:53 -0700
                                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-14 18:23 +0200
                                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 10:57 -0700
                                              Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 17:43 -0700
                                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-09-20 20:50 +0000
                              Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-09-20 20:48 +0000
                            Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-14 07:58 -0700
                  Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-09-14 21:35 -0500
    Re: (Not) discussing C-like toy languages Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-08 23:56 -0700

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#70485

On 14/09/2015 13:27, David Brown wrote:

<snip>

> I can understand, to a limited extent, what Christians are trying to do
> with prayer.  (I know that Richard or some others could explain it
> properly, but will not do so in c.l.c.)

Yes, I could, and no, I won't - here. If you are sufficiently interested 
to take it up elsenet, then I'd be glad to oblige. QI-style teaser: 
almost everything you know about prayer is wrong. :-)

<snip>

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#70490

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 8:39:19 AM UTC-4, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 14/09/2015 13:27, David Brown wrote:
> > I can understand, to a limited extent, what Christians are trying to do
> > with prayer.  (I know that Richard or some others could explain it
> > properly, but will not do so in c.l.c.)
> 
> Yes, I could, and no, I won't - here. If you are sufficiently interested 
> to take it up elsenet, then I'd be glad to oblige ...
> almost everything you know about prayer is wrong. :-)

It will be difficult for people like Richard who are entrenched in their
beliefs.  It will be hard for them to be humbled because their beliefs
are carnal, not spiritual, and they will not easily let go of their
pride.  But with God, all things are possible.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#70488

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 8:28:01 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> > On 09/14/2015 04:20 AM, David Brown wrote:
> >> On 14/09/15 02:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> Keeping you in my prayers, David.
> >> Please don't...[snip]
> 
> The way I see it, praying for someone...[snip]

There is power in prayer, David. It is the real power. Read this, and
learn that which this world will never teach you:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/ephesians/6.htm
    10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power
       of his might.
    11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand
       against the wiles of the devil.
    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
       principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the
       darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high
       places.
    13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be
       able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
    14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and
       having on the breastplate of righteousness;
    15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
    16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be
       able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
    17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit,
       which is the word of God:

    18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit,
       and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication
       for all saints;
    19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may
       open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
    20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak
       boldly, as I ought to speak.

I tell you that I pray for you, and Ben that I pray for him, and others
that I pray for them, because there is a spiritual battle taking place
in all people (not just you, Ben, or others). Martin Luther once wrote,
"I believe in the devil, for I did battle with him this morning."

The existence of these evil spirits is not in doubt.  We need only look
around at the greed, the hate, the war, the death, the disease, and all
manner of other evil thing to see the fruits of that evil manifested.

This is not the world God created, but it is the world which exists now
because of sin.  Jesus Christ takes away our sin, and restores us to
new life, breaking the chains of this world, the ties to the deathful
ends of sin, giving us redemption in His Holy name.

His is the Power.  And His Kingdom will be filled with those of us here
on Earth who came to realize our sin, an to humble ourselves, and to
ask forgiveness.  It is not filled with mighty men who are self-made
mighty men.  The saints of God who will live with Him forever will be
mighty men of God, but it will be because He has bestowed it upon us,
and nothing we ourselves have achieved as self-made men.

We owe all of to Him who is able to save us, and give us eternal life,
and to bestow upon us His own crown of righteousness in eternity, that
by His own death, His own cleansing blood sacrifice, were we cleaned
and made like Him.

Evil spirits come and they teach false things to keep men pinned down
in ignorance, tied to the things of this world their carnal existence
can understand.  But Jesus is spirit, and what He brings is new.  It
is not like this world, nor the understanding of our carnal nature.
It is the new nature, the spiritual nature, and it is that which is
given unto men who come to Him, seeking repentance, asking forgiveness,
humbling themselves before God Almighty, and saying, "I am a sinner,
and I need to be forgiven."  To all who do this truthfully, Jesus is
faithful to forgive them, and they pass from death to life in that
moment.  They will still have troubles in this world, but He who
began a good work in us is able to finish it, for He is called literally
"Faithful and True!"

All voices, draws, pulls, thoughts, feelings, which are contrary to
God come from sin, and evil spirits who are pulling at us, enticing
us through sin to do sinful things.  But where sin did abound, God's
Grace did MUCH MORE abound, so that even where sin is great, God is
still able to save to the uttermost.

The name of Jesus brings Power.  The demons hear His name, and
tremble, for in Him is their Judgement solidified, and their eternal
fate sealed.  But it need not be that way for us.  God is willing to
forgive us of our sin if we will receive Him.  And for all who
receive Him, they will never be put to shame, never be cast down,
but will be exalted by the One who is exalted above all, Jesus, our
Eternal King of Power and Authority.

All who receive Him will inherit eternity with Him, the bride to His
Bridegroom, so that all He has is ours, and all we have is His.  And
of that exchange, we far and away get the better bargain, though I'd
imagine you'd get an argument on that point out of Him because of the
tremendous and overflowing Power of His Love for us.  He would say
that He got the better bargain.

I pray you come to know this, David.  And also the other people
reading this thread.

Jesus makes all things new.  The sinful past is forgiven, and the
glorious future is bestowed.  Undeservedly.  Unearned.  It is His
desire to give us this free gift of eternity, and all things, if we
will humble ourselves before Him and ask forgiveness.

He loves you, David.  It's why He sends men like me to speak to you.
It's not for nothing.  He reaches out to you through me, and those
like me who come speaking to you about Him.  He wants you to be with
Him where He is, in the paradise of God.

Consider it, David.  The God of the universe reaches out to you, by
name, personally, on the inside of your heart, in the silence of your
thoughts, in a drawing you can personally identify with and know.  He
is there, beckoning you unto Him.  My advice to you:  answer Him.  He
is trying to save your eternal soul from Judgement, and damnation.
What He offers you is the best offer you will ever receive in the
entirety of your existence, including all eternity.  It would behoove
you to take Him up on His offer ... before you expire.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#70500

On 14/09/15 14:50, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 8:28:01 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 09/14/2015 04:20 AM, David Brown wrote:
>>>> On 14/09/15 02:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> Keeping you in my prayers, David.
>>>> Please don't...[snip]
>>
>> The way I see it, praying for someone...[snip]
> 
> There is power in prayer, David. It is the real power. Read this, and
> learn that which this world will never teach you:
> 
<snip>

Yes, that makes it /perfectly/ clear.

(That was sarcasm, in case you misunderstood.  And more replies from you
on the same lines will not help anyone.  If I ever feel I want to know
more about prayer, I know who to ask - and it will not be you.)

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#70503

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> On 14/09/15 14:50, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 8:28:01 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> >>> On 09/14/2015 04:20 AM, David Brown wrote:
> >>>> On 14/09/15 02:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>>>> Keeping you in my prayers, David.
> >>>> Please don't...[snip]
> >>
> >> The way I see it, praying for someone...[snip]
> > 
> > There is power in prayer, David. It is the real power. Read this, and
> > learn that which this world will never teach you:
> > 
> <snip>
> 
> Yes, that makes it /perfectly/ clear.
> 
> (That was sarcasm, in case you misunderstood.  And more replies from you
> on the same lines will not help anyone.  If I ever feel I want to know
> more about prayer, I know who to ask - and it will not be you.)

You do not have to ask, David.  As I would give aid to someone I came
across in need, I do so also for you.  Like so many, you do not and
cannot know the state of your soul, or the damage you are doing with
even that which you feel is the most heartfelt help, because you are
not born again, and are under sin, under the condemnation of sin, and
you are only and always doing sinful things, causing harm, hurt,
destruction, and death, to all the people you encounter.

It's all any person who is not born again does, for no one can help
but doing only and always that ... it's the nature of sin!

People who are lost simply do not know their state.  Jesus says it
this way, referring to those religious people even who think they're
fine and are therefore not following after Him as they should (so
how much more the overt non-believers?):

     http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-17.htm
     http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-18.htm

     17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods,
        and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art
        wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
     18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that
        you may become rich, and white garments so that you may
        clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will
        not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that
        you may see.

The Bible is a book for study, contemplating, reflection.  It is
alive because God's Holy Spirit was the author.  It is not like
other books, and when a person reads it, it speaks to them in a
way that is not like other books, because it is alive.  And to the
born again believer, there are confirmations and extensions which
are given, so that as one reads the words which say X, Y, and Z,
there are also thoughts A, B, C, and D which come in through the
guidance of the Holy Spirit, for God is overflowing with teaching
for those who truly seek.

Even Penn Gilette gets it here (at 0:29 and 0:48):

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owZc3Xq8obk

     At 0:29 -- "How much do you have to hate someone to believe
                 that everlasting life is possible and not tell
                 them that?"

     At 0:40 -- "I mean if I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt
                 that a truck was coming at you and you didn't
                 believe it, [and] that truck was bearing down
                 there's a certain point where I tackle you, and
                 this is more important than that."

We are reaching out to the men and women of this world to save them
from the coming Judgement, so that they might pass from Judgement to
life.

Everyone will know the sincerity of our walk and efforts at some
point, but for too many it will be too late because that information
will only be accepted by them after they have died, even though they
also knew it here on this side of death.

On this side of death there is forgiveness.  On that side of death
there is only Judgement, and condemnation.

     http://biblehub.com/john/3-18.htm
     "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
      not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the
      name of the only begotten Son of God."

"Condemned already" because of sin.  It's why we all need Jesus.
He is the only one who can take sin away.  It's why He came to the
Earth, to save men's souls by taking their sin away, to reclaim what
was lost, to give sight to the blind, to heal the sick, cleanse the
lepers, and give eternal life.

Only those who are in pursuit of the truth will ever be able to hear
it, because it is truth.  Those who shun he truth, who prefer to go
with their own beliefs, their own thoughts, they will be the ones
who remain under condemnation, and enter into Hell.  Everyone who
will hear the truth will hear it, come out, repent, ask forgiveness,
and be saved, and because of who Jesus is and what it means to enter
into the new life, they will shine like the stars forever and ever.

Jesus makes it possible.  He and He only.  And every component of
this world, the world that is fallen in sin, will rail against that
reality, proclaim it as false, say that what is true is false, and
what is false is true, for that is THE nature of sin.  But for
those who will hear the truth, God will intervene in their life,
and draw them to His Son so that they will come to Him, repent, ask
forgiveness of their sin, and be saved.

Those who humble themselves are the glorious saints of His eternal
Kingdom.  And outside are the dogs, the whoremongers, those who
love and practice lies:

     http://biblehub.com/revelation/22-15.htm

     "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
      murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a
      lie."

Don't be left out.  Humble yourself and ask Jesus to forgive your
sins.  He will do this willingly for all who come to Him honestly
and truthfully seeking with repentance in their hearts.

There is no special formula for doing this, by the way.  He knows
your heart's intent.  He knows your inmost state.  Your feelings.
Your thoughts.  When you turn toward Him with the slightest ounce
of truth-seeking, He does the rest.

Seek Him where you are, as you are, desiring Him to forgive you
and to turn your life around, and He will.  He will do this right
there where you are, and it will be forever after that you are His,
if you continue in His teaching, and in following after Him.

Nothing more beautiful exists in the universe than our God, and
the salvation found in His free gift.  It's the Greatest Love
Story that could ever be told... Creator God saving all who will
be saved, despite their sin which should bring swift Judgement.

It's why Jesus is love... for love (and therefore mercy) triumphs
over Judgement (http://biblehub.com/james/2-13.htm).

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#70504

W dniu poniedziałek, 14 września 2015 16:37:50 UTC+2 użytkownik Rick C. Hodgin napisał:
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 9:58:41 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> > On 14/09/15 14:50, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 8:28:01 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
> > >>> On 09/14/2015 04:20 AM, David Brown wrote:
> > >>>> On 14/09/15 02:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > >>>>> Keeping you in my prayers, David.
> > >>>> Please don't...[snip]
> > >>
> > >> The way I see it, praying for someone...[snip]
> > > 
> > > There is power in prayer, David. It is the real power. Read this, and
> > > learn that which this world will never teach you:
> > > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > Yes, that makes it /perfectly/ clear.
> > 
> > (That was sarcasm, in case you misunderstood.  And more replies from you
> > on the same lines will not help anyone.  If I ever feel I want to know
> > more about prayer, I know who to ask - and it will not be you.)
> 
> You do not have to ask, David.  As I would give aid to someone I came
> across in need, I do so also for you.  Like so many, you do not and
> cannot know the state of your soul, or the damage you are doing with
> even that which you feel is the most heartfelt help, because you are
> not born again, and are under sin, under the condemnation of sin, and
> you are only and always doing sinful things, causing harm, hurt,
> destruction, and death, to all the people you encounter.
> 
> It's all any person who is not born again does, for no one can help
> but doing only and always that ... it's the nature of sin!
> 
> People who are lost simply do not know their state.  Jesus says it
> this way, referring to those religious people even who think they're
> fine and are therefore not following after Him as they should (so
> how much more the overt non-believers?):
> 
>      http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-17.htm
>      http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-18.htm
> 
>      17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods,
>         and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art
>         wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
>      18 I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that
>         you may become rich, and white garments so that you may
>         clothe yourself, and that the shame of your nakedness will
>         not be revealed; and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that
>         you may see.
> 
> The Bible is a book for study, contemplating, reflection.  It is
> alive because God's Holy Spirit was the author.  It is not like
> other books, and when a person reads it, it speaks to them in a
> way that is not like other books, because it is alive.  And to the
> born again believer, there are confirmations and extensions which
> are given, so that as one reads the words which say X, Y, and Z,
> there are also thoughts A, B, C, and D which come in through the
> guidance of the Holy Spirit, for God is overflowing with teaching
> for those who truly seek.
> 
> Even Penn Gilette gets it here (at 0:29 and 0:48):
> 
>      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owZc3Xq8obk
> 
>      At 0:29 -- "How much do you have to hate someone to believe
>                  that everlasting life is possible and not tell
>                  them that?"
> 
>      At 0:40 -- "I mean if I believed beyond a shadow of a doubt
>                  that a truck was coming at you and you didn't
>                  believe it, [and] that truck was bearing down
>                  there's a certain point where I tackle you, and
>                  this is more important than that."
> 
> We are reaching out to the men and women of this world to save them
> from the coming Judgement, so that they might pass from Judgement to
> life.
> 
> Everyone will know the sincerity of our walk and efforts at some
> point, but for too many it will be too late because that information
> will only be accepted by them after they have died, even though they
> also knew it here on this side of death.
> 
> On this side of death there is forgiveness.  On that side of death
> there is only Judgement, and condemnation.
> 
>      http://biblehub.com/john/3-18.htm
>      "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth
>       not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the
>       name of the only begotten Son of God."
> 
> "Condemned already" because of sin.  It's why we all need Jesus.
> He is the only one who can take sin away.  It's why He came to the
> Earth, to save men's souls by taking their sin away, to reclaim what
> was lost, to give sight to the blind, to heal the sick, cleanse the
> lepers, and give eternal life.
> 
> Only those who are in pursuit of the truth will ever be able to hear
> it, because it is truth.  Those who shun he truth, who prefer to go
> with their own beliefs, their own thoughts, they will be the ones
> who remain under condemnation, and enter into Hell.  Everyone who
> will hear the truth will hear it, come out, repent, ask forgiveness,
> and be saved, and because of who Jesus is and what it means to enter
> into the new life, they will shine like the stars forever and ever.
> 
> Jesus makes it possible.  He and He only.  And every component of
> this world, the world that is fallen in sin, will rail against that
> reality, proclaim it as false, say that what is true is false, and
> what is false is true, for that is THE nature of sin.  But for
> those who will hear the truth, God will intervene in their life,
> and draw them to His Son so that they will come to Him, repent, ask
> forgiveness of their sin, and be saved.
> 
> Those who humble themselves are the glorious saints of His eternal
> Kingdom.  And outside are the dogs, the whoremongers, those who
> love and practice lies:
> 
>      http://biblehub.com/revelation/22-15.htm
> 
>      "For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and
>       murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a
>       lie."
> 
> Don't be left out.  Humble yourself and ask Jesus to forgive your
> sins.  He will do this willingly for all who come to Him honestly
> and truthfully seeking with repentance in their hearts.
> 
> There is no special formula for doing this, by the way.  He knows
> your heart's intent.  He knows your inmost state.  Your feelings.
> Your thoughts.  When you turn toward Him with the slightest ounce
> of truth-seeking, He does the rest.
> 
> Seek Him where you are, as you are, desiring Him to forgive you
> and to turn your life around, and He will.  He will do this right
> there where you are, and it will be forever after that you are His,
> if you continue in His teaching, and in following after Him.
> 
> Nothing more beautiful exists in the universe than our God, and
> the salvation found in His free gift.  It's the Greatest Love
> Story that could ever be told... Creator God saving all who will
> be saved, despite their sin which should bring swift Judgement.
> 
> It's why Jesus is love... for love (and therefore mercy) triumphs
> over Judgement (http://biblehub.com/james/2-13.htm).
> 
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

i personally think we should be discussing more the "body rock" (the hiphop gesticulation to esp good tunes )
And i mean really - but this is so hard,
people here are so old, even me is so 
old and hard to make myslelf care for my
movements form.....

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#70506

On 14/09/15 16:43, fir wrote:

> 
> i personally think we should be discussing more the "body rock" (the
> hiphop gesticulation to esp good tunes ) And i mean really - but this
> is so hard, people here are so old, even me is so old and hard to
> make myslelf care for my movements form.....
> 

I'm sure "body rock" is a great thing - but should we really be
discussing it in comp.lang.c ?  I don't think we need yet another
off-topic topic!

But you are probably right that some people in this group should be
thinking about such things - judging by the amount of programming
experience some regulars have, there are probably quite a few grey hairs
around.  And if they are anything like the average programmer, some at
least could benefit from a good form of exercise.

Personally, I took up karate as a safer mid-life crisis than buying a
motorbike, and more realistic than writing my own perfect alternative to
C.  It has taken a good many years, and a good many kilos, off my body.

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#70509

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 4:21:45 PM UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> On 14/09/15 16:43, fir wrote:
> 
> Personally, I took up karate as a safer mid-life crisis than buying a
> motorbike, and more realistic than writing my own perfect alternative to
> C.  It has taken a good many years, and a good many kilos, off my body.
>
I was told of  a man who took up karate. His attitude was very much "ho ho,
I can defend myself". So he tried to use his skills when he was accosted by two
thus. They broke his spine.

So do be careful.

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#70511

On 14/09/15 17:53, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 4:21:45 PM UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
>> On 14/09/15 16:43, fir wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I took up karate as a safer mid-life crisis than buying a
>> motorbike, and more realistic than writing my own perfect alternative to
>> C.  It has taken a good many years, and a good many kilos, off my body.
>>
> I was told of  a man who took up karate. His attitude was very much "ho ho,
> I can defend myself". So he tried to use his skills when he was accosted by two
> thus. They broke his spine.
>
> So do be careful.
>

That's not why I do karate - it is to get fitter and more supple (I have 
the joints of a lego figure...), and simply to enjoy it.  If I were 
attacked and force to fight, I could do so a lot better than when I 
started - but I am well aware that running, giving the muggers my 
wallet, etc., are usually safer tactics.  You need to be /much/ more 
experienced before you get to the point where you can rely on your 
skills in a serious fight - and you never get there if you start 
learning in your forties!

Anyway, if a I were to meet a mugger in a dark alley, then it would be 
all over before I'd got my socks and shoes off :-)

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#70513

"body rock" is not about sport.. imo this is much more subtle thing (this is more like programming on your moves (and also somewhat thoughts) condition)..
but easier said then done.. I just know this is  important, but all i can say is "this is important" or "i know this is important",
or "at least for me it is important, i feel i should focus more on it"

in reality 'evangelising' body rock on usenet would be yet many times harder than this one missionarities with religion 
(with due respect to religion, and due disrespect to "health food or sports maniacs" - i got something quite other 
on my mind (some kind of psychophisical
power (good form) and balance) - but well 
im still weak (maybe even weaker and weaker) on that)

 

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#70859

W dniu poniedziałek, 14 września 2015 19:58:11 UTC+2 użytkownik fir napisał:
> im still weak (maybe even weaker and weaker) on that)

I rea;lize also that other thing important is something i call here "deep relax of the head"
9becouse my english is weak)
i realize that peoples heads are patologcally 'tense' - those absolutely hellish tv advertosment, those hellis stupid massmedia, even talk with most people puts
head in tense mode, not to say coding who also tense.. even listening top music makes my head tense.. most people probably forget that it is at all possible to have really 'light' head/mind.. i dont know how to obtain that (though it seem maybe easier than body-rock) probablly key to that is some kind of forgetting

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#70992

Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 4:21:45 PM UTC+1, David Brown wrote:
> > On 14/09/15 16:43, fir wrote:
> > 
> > Personally, I took up karate as a safer mid-life crisis than buying a
> > motorbike, and more realistic than writing my own perfect alternative to
> > C.  It has taken a good many years, and a good many kilos, off my body.
> >
> I was told of  a man who took up karate. His attitude was very much "ho ho,
> I can defend myself". So he tried to use his skills when he was accosted by two
> thus. They broke his spine.

Then he wasn't taught very well - one of the most important things they
taught me in judo was that the best fight is one you _don't_ fight.

Richard

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#70991

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 09/14/2015 04:20 AM, David Brown wrote:
> > On 14/09/15 02:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> ...
> >> Keeping you in my prayers, David.
> > 
> > Please don't.  It is rude and an invasion of privacy.  If I want someone
> > to pray for me, I'll ask them.
> 
> You can't stop the religious from praying for you - the most you can do
> is ask them, out of politeness, to not say their prayers out loud in
> your vicinity.

Which will stop the _genuinely_ religious from doing so. But Rick isn't
religious - clearly, all he believes in is himself, and his own
sanctity.

Richard

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#70505

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
> On 14/09/15 02:55, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[SNIP]
> Please don't.  It is rude and an invasion of privacy.  If I want someone
> to pray for me, I'll ask them.

David, please please please stop replying to Rick's off-topic posts.
You are only adding to the noise level and making things worse.

I believe Rick posts with a valid e-mail address.  If you want to
talk to him about something other than C, I suggest you use it.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#70540

Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 11:39:18 AM UTC-4, Les Cargill wrote:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 2:42:57 AM UTC-4, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 2015-09-11, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 11:45:54 AM UTC-4, luser droog wrote:
>>>>>> I recall only one occasion. I had quoted the entirety of a message
>>>>>> by Stephan Ram, in defiance of his No-Archive headers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does Stephan Ram do that?  It seems silly and even petty, like a
>>>>> child saying, "MINE!" and yanking it back.
>>>>
>>>> For someone who used Usenet in the early 1990s, it makes perfect
>>>> sense. It's the way it used to work before DejaNews.
>>>
>>> I still don't understand.  The things he posts are information to
>>> help people.  Why limit that help?  What mining information are
>>> they going to be able to get off of his posts cached in Google
>>> Groups that they can't get by simply parsing usenet records?
>>>
>>> It's not a big deal ... it's just something that is confusing to me.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Rick C. Hodgin
>>>
>>
>> Because Usenet should be ephemeral. There were other mechanisms
>> for persistent information.
>>
>> Usenet is a bar, not a courtroom. Any increase in formality caused by
>> long term storage will restrict flows.
>
> To sum up my views on his position succinctly:
>
>       When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns, and the
>       general law-abiding population will be at risk.
>
> Applied to usenet:
>
>       When usenet posts are not archived, only the entities which
>       do background data mining on the information which is publicly
>       available anyway will have access to the information, the
>       general usenet user base will be without that information.
>


I think it's more like "you can't stick your hand in the same river twice."

> It seems like a harmful-to-people position, and one which does nothing
> to diminish any degree of data mining... if that's truly what his
> concerns are (I haven't yet heard from him directly).
>

My literal metaphor is that Usenet is like the control/signalling
channel of an ATM setup, and the Web/ftp/what have you is
the data channels.

This is inherent to the protocols themselves.

> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

-- 
Les Cargill

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#70025

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 12:50:20 AM UTC+1, luser droog wrote:
>
> If you mean me, it's "Josh". It's a very evasive name to be sure.
>
It's actually the most well-known name in the entire world.

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