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  Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 03:09 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-26 03:22 -0700
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 05:32 -0700
        Re: Program to output initials of a name Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2015-10-26 14:34 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 10:38 +0000
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 05:37 -0700
        Re: Program to output initials of a name Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-26 13:53 +0000
          Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 07:33 -0700
            Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 15:21 +0000
              Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 16:26 +0000
                Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 16:41 +0000
                  Re: Program to output initials of a name Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-26 10:27 -0700
                  Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 17:29 +0000
                    Re: Program to output initials of a name raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 15:40 +0000
                  Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-27 13:36 +0000
                    Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 13:45 +0000
                    Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-27 15:10 +0100
                      Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-27 20:08 +0000
                        Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-27 22:28 +0100
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-27 21:34 +0000
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-28 08:50 +0100
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-28 15:19 +0000
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-28 22:17 +0100
                              Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-29 19:54 +0000
                                Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-30 08:44 +0100
                                  Re: Program to output initials of a name James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-30 13:44 -0400
                        Re: Program to output initials of a name guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 04:19 -0700
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-28 12:50 +0100
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 08:19 -0700
                              Re: Program to output initials of a name guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-10-28 10:21 -0700
                              Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-28 22:34 +0100
                                Re: Program to output initials of a name raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 15:50 +0000
                    Re: Program to output initials of a name Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-27 14:13 +0000
                      Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 14:15 +0000
                      Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-27 08:59 -0700
                        Re: Program to output initials of a name Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-27 21:34 +0000
                    Re: Program to output initials of a name James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-27 12:09 -0400
                      Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-27 20:03 +0000
                        Re: Program to output initials of a name James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-27 19:36 -0400
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-28 09:06 +0100
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-28 12:28 +0000
                Re: Program to output initials of a name Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-26 10:15 -0700
                Re: Program to output initials of a name Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-27 07:34 +1300
                  Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 18:40 +0000
                  Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 19:00 +0000
                    Re: Program to output initials of a name Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-27 08:53 +1300
                      Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 20:41 +0000
                        Re: Program to output initials of a name Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-27 10:24 +1300
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-26 16:06 -0700
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-27 13:16 +1300
                              Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-27 08:46 -0700
                                Re: Program to output initials of a name Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-28 07:25 +1300
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 15:52 +0000
                    Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 02:15 +0000
                      Re: Program to output initials of a name Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-26 19:28 -0700
                        Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 02:39 +0000
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-27 02:59 -0700
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Program to output initials of a name Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-27 03:57 -0700
                                Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 11:09 +0000
                                  Re: Program to output initials of a name Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-27 11:23 +0000
                                    Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 11:28 +0000
                                Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-27 11:37 +0000
                                  Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 11:46 +0000
                                    Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-27 11:50 +0000
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-27 08:44 -0700
                          Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-27 11:19 +0000
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-27 11:25 +0000
                            Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-28 14:24 +0000
              Re: Program to output initials of a name James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-26 14:00 -0400
              Re: Program to output initials of a name Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-27 11:00 +1300
                Re: Program to output initials of a name Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2015-10-27 15:39 -0400
        Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-26 10:17 -0700
          Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:28 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 10:43 +0000
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-26 03:52 -0700
        Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-27 13:11 +0000
          Re: Program to output initials of a name David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-27 15:14 +0100
            [OT] family naming conventions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-27 12:01 -0400
              Re: [OT] family naming conventions Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-27 13:17 -0600
                Re: [OT] family naming conventions Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-27 13:55 -0700
                Re: [OT] family naming conventions Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-27 17:59 -0500
              Re: [OT] family naming conventions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 15:56 +0000
                Re: [OT] family naming conventions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-10 11:41 -0500
                  Re: [OT] family naming conventions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 19:00 +0000
                    Re: [OT] family naming conventions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-10 14:11 -0500
                      Re: [OT] family naming conventions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 21:19 +0000
                        Re: [OT] family naming conventions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-10 13:32 -0800
                          Re: [OT] family naming conventions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-13 21:38 +0000
                        Re: [OT] family naming conventions Udyant Wig <udyantw@gmail.com> - 2015-11-11 15:47 +0530
                          Re: [OT] family naming conventions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-13 21:36 +0000
          Re: Program to output initials of a name Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-27 08:50 -0700
            Re: Program to output initials of a name Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-10-27 16:23 +0000
              Re: Program to output initials of a name Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-27 10:06 -0700
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 05:40 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Udyant Wig <udyantw@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 16:20 +0530
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 10:55 +0000
        Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-26 10:20 -0700
          Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-26 17:36 +0000
            Re: Program to output initials of a name Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-28 16:54 -0700
              Re: Program to output initials of a name Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-29 00:50 +0000
                Re: Program to output initials of a name Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-30 08:18 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2015-10-26 06:15 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 09:42 -0700
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-26 11:20 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 09:44 -0700
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-26 11:21 -0700
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 09:47 -0700
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:47 -0700
        Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 18:20 +0000
          Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 11:56 -0700
            Re: Program to output initials of a name Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-26 19:24 +0000
          Re: Program to output initials of a name Alla _ <modelling.data@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 12:01 -0700
      Re: Program to output initials of a name Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-26 17:48 +0000
    Re: Program to output initials of a name Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-26 10:43 -0700

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#74012 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

In article <1bsi4w6rzo.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>,
 Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> 
> > On 10/27/2015 10:14 AM, David Brown wrote:
> >> On 27/10/15 14:11, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> > ...
> >>> Still way off-topic, but very weird that the rule would apply to boys,
> >>> but not girls ...
> >>>
> >> 
> >> I knew a family in which all 6 siblings, girls and boys, were J.Smith.
> >
> > My wife and all three of her sisters were given names starting with the
> > same Chinese character. Those names are part of a pattern that goes back
> > hundreds of years. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_name>
> 
> And of course we have the case of George Foreman's sons (George Jr.,
> George III, George IV, George V, George VI).

Henry the Eighth I am, I am.

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
When is a Kenyan not a Kenyan? When he's a Canadian.
That's People's Commissioner Siri Cruz now. Punch!

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#74025 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

On Tue, 27 Oct 2015 13:17:31 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
<pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

>James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> On 10/27/2015 10:14 AM, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 27/10/15 14:11, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> ...
>>>> Still way off-topic, but very weird that the rule would apply to boys,
>>>> but not girls ...
>>>>
>>> 
>>> I knew a family in which all 6 siblings, girls and boys, were J.Smith.
>>
>> My wife and all three of her sisters were given names starting with the
>> same Chinese character. Those names are part of a pattern that goes back
>> hundreds of years. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_name>
>
>And of course we have the case of George Foreman's sons (George Jr.,
>George III, George IV, George V, George VI).


And one of his (seven) daughters is Georgetta.

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#75587 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 10/27/2015 10:14 AM, David Brown wrote:
> > On 27/10/15 14:11, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> ...
> >> Still way off-topic, but very weird that the rule would apply to boys,
> >> but not girls ...
> > 
> > I knew a family in which all 6 siblings, girls and boys, were J.Smith.
> 
> My wife and all three of her sisters were given names starting with the
> same Chinese character. Those names are part of a pattern that goes back
> hundreds of years. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_name>

Similar habits are, or were, common in the West as well. See, for
example, the pattern of alliterative names in the Beowulf, and for a
real-world case, the wave of Egg-kings.

Richard

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#75606 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

On 11/10/2015 10:56 AM, Richard Bos wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/27/2015 10:14 AM, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 27/10/15 14:11, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> ...
>>>> Still way off-topic, but very weird that the rule would apply to boys,
>>>> but not girls ...
>>>
>>> I knew a family in which all 6 siblings, girls and boys, were J.Smith.
>>
>> My wife and all three of her sisters were given names starting with the
>> same Chinese character. Those names are part of a pattern that goes back
>> hundreds of years. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_name>
> 
> Similar habits are, or were, common in the West as well. See, for
> example, the pattern of alliterative names in the Beowulf, and for a
> real-world case, the wave of Egg-kings.

Could you explain a little further? I found many mentions of
alliteration in Beowulf, but none that mentioned a naming convention. I
tried googling "Egg-kings", and didn't find anything that seemed  relevant.

In my opinion, the most distinctive feature of the Chinese generation
names is that they fit into a multi-generational pattern, that was
predetermined hundreds of years ago based upon the words of a poem. Is
there anything similar to that in the two examples you mentioned?
-- 
James Kuyper

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#75655 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 11/10/2015 10:56 AM, Richard Bos wrote:
> > James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On 10/27/2015 10:14 AM, David Brown wrote:

> >>> I knew a family in which all 6 siblings, girls and boys, were J.Smith.
> >>
> >> My wife and all three of her sisters were given names starting with the
> >> same Chinese character. Those names are part of a pattern that goes back
> >> hundreds of years. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_name>
> > 
> > Similar habits are, or were, common in the West as well. See, for
> > example, the pattern of alliterative names in the Beowulf, and for a
> > real-world case, the wave of Egg-kings.
> 
> Could you explain a little further? I found many mentions of
> alliteration in Beowulf, but none that mentioned a naming convention. I
> tried googling "Egg-kings", and didn't find anything that seemed  relevant.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_and_All_That>

Enjoy.

Richard

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#75663 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

On 11/10/2015 02:00 PM, Richard Bos wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/10/2015 10:56 AM, Richard Bos wrote:
...
>>> Similar habits are, or were, common in the West as well. See, for
>>> example, the pattern of alliterative names in the Beowulf, and for a
>>> real-world case, the wave of Egg-kings.
>>
>> Could you explain a little further? I found many mentions of
>> alliteration in Beowulf, but none that mentioned a naming convention. I
>> tried googling "Egg-kings", and didn't find anything that seemed  relevant.
> 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_and_All_That>

I hate to seem obtuse, but that article does not mention Beowulf,
alliteration, naming conventions, nor anything having to do with an Egg.
Am I missing something?
-- 
James Kuyper

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#75678 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 11/10/2015 02:00 PM, Richard Bos wrote:
> > James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> On 11/10/2015 10:56 AM, Richard Bos wrote:
> ...
> >>> Similar habits are, or were, common in the West as well. See, for
> >>> example, the pattern of alliterative names in the Beowulf, and for a
> >>> real-world case, the wave of Egg-kings.
> >>
> >> Could you explain a little further? I found many mentions of
> >> alliteration in Beowulf, but none that mentioned a naming convention. I
> >> tried googling "Egg-kings", and didn't find anything that seemed  relevant.
> > 
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_and_All_That>
> 
> I hate to seem obtuse, but that article does not mention Beowulf,
> alliteration, naming conventions, nor anything having to do with an Egg.
> Am I missing something?

Beowulf is only an earlier example, and if you'd read it (for the
general reader I recommend Heaney's translation, by the way - not at all
critical, but gets the atmosphere right) you'd know that there are
several generations of characters in it who have alliterative names -
Hrethel father of Herebeald and Hygelac father of Heardred, and so on.

As for 1066, it refers to the Anglo-Saxon kings of England, with typical
silliness, as the "Wave of Egg-Kings", though in reality they were a
wave of Ead-kings. The habit was common in those days, at least among
nobles.

Richard

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#75680 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:19:10 PM UTC, Richard Bos wrote:
> 
> As for 1066, it refers to the Anglo-Saxon kings of England, with typical
> silliness, as the "Wave of Egg-Kings", though in reality they were a
> wave of Ead-kings. The habit was common in those days, at least among
> nobles.
> 
It's the "tyrannous reign of the egg-kings".

The Anglo-Saxon names went out of fashion with the Norman conquest and, 
with a handful of exceptions (Edward, Alfred), are now obsolete.

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#75976 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 9:19:10 PM UTC, Richard Bos wrote:
> > 
> > As for 1066, it refers to the Anglo-Saxon kings of England, with typical
> > silliness, as the "Wave of Egg-Kings", though in reality they were a
> > wave of Ead-kings. The habit was common in those days, at least among
> > nobles.
> > 
> It's the "tyrannous reign of the egg-kings".

No, it isn't. I have the book in front of me. Chapter III, final
paragraph including title.

Richard

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#75728 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) writes:
> Beowulf is only an earlier example, and if you'd read it (for the
> general reader I recommend Heaney's translation, by the way - not at
> all critical, but gets the atmosphere right) you'd know that there are
> several generations of characters in it who have alliterative names -
> Hrethel father of Herebeald and Hygelac father of Heardred, and so on.
>
> As for 1066, it refers to the Anglo-Saxon kings of England, with
> typical silliness, as the "Wave of Egg-Kings", though in reality they
> were a wave of Ead-kings. The habit was common in those days, at least
> among nobles.

  Was this where Tolkien came up with the family trees for much of his
  lore?
  
-- 
Udyant Wig

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#75975 — Re: [OT] family naming conventions

Udyant Wig <udyantw@gmail.com> wrote:

> raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) writes:
> > Beowulf is only an earlier example, and if you'd read it (for the
> > general reader I recommend Heaney's translation, by the way - not at
> > all critical, but gets the atmosphere right) you'd know that there are
> > several generations of characters in it who have alliterative names -
> > Hrethel father of Herebeald and Hygelac father of Heardred, and so on.
> >
> > As for 1066, it refers to the Anglo-Saxon kings of England, with
> > typical silliness, as the "Wave of Egg-Kings", though in reality they
> > were a wave of Ead-kings. The habit was common in those days, at least
> > among nobles.
> 
>   Was this where Tolkien came up with the family trees for much of his
>   lore?

1066, no, as that was first published in 1930, when Tolkien had already
started designing his world. Beowulf - or rather, Germanic, including
Anglo-Saxon, literature and history in general - yes. He wrote another
translation of it, by the way, though it's only recently been published
and I haven't read it.

Richard

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#73968

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 1:11:54 PM UTC, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-10-26, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 10:43:43 AM UTC, Bart wrote:
> >> On 26/10/2015 10:09, Alla _ wrote:
> >> 
> >> That's not perfect, but it's a start. It won't work for names that 
> >> already have initials that aren't separated ("JB Priestly"), but then 
> >> the input needs to follow some conventions. But probably you aren't 
> >> worried about such details.
> >> 
> > Completely off-topic, but it's JB Priestley. 
> >
> > A descendant of his was a classmate. He was also JB Priestley. All the boys in
> > their family are give names starting with J and B in his honour. 
> 
> Still way off-topic, but very weird that the rule would apply to boys,
> but not girls ...
> 
JB Priestley was a man.
Then in English independent schools, it's normal to refer to a boy as Bloggs FJ,
to a girl as Freda J Bloggs. Then Freda J Bloggs will become Freda J Muggins on
marriage to Mr Muggins.
So the family's tradition made sense, the boys carry the Priestley name and initials, 
and keep his memory alive, until a greater Priestley shall arise in that family.

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#73974

On Tue, 2015-10-27, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 1:11:54 PM UTC, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
>> On Mon, 2015-10-26, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 10:43:43 AM UTC, Bart wrote:
>> >> On 26/10/2015 10:09, Alla _ wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> That's not perfect, but it's a start. It won't work for names that 
>> >> already have initials that aren't separated ("JB Priestly"), but then 
>> >> the input needs to follow some conventions. But probably you aren't 
>> >> worried about such details.
>> >> 
>> > Completely off-topic, but it's JB Priestley. 
>> >
>> > A descendant of his was a classmate. He was also JB
>> > Priestley. All the boys in their family are give names starting
>> > with J and B in his honour.
>> 
>> Still way off-topic, but very weird that the rule would apply to boys,
>> but not girls ...
>> 
> JB Priestley was a man.

I knew that, but surely he didn't write with his genitals?

> Then in English independent schools, it's normal to refer to a boy
> as Bloggs FJ, to a girl as Freda J Bloggs. Then Freda J Bloggs will
> become Freda J Muggins on marriage to Mr Muggins.  So the family's
> tradition made sense, the boys carry the Priestley name and
> initials, and keep his memory alive, until a greater Priestley shall
> arise in that family.

While the girls get married and have babies who, if they're lucky, are
boys who can grow up to become famous writers?

This /is/ offtopic, so I'll stop there.

/Jorgen

-- 
  // Jorgen Grahn <grahn@  Oo  o.   .     .
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#73977

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 4:23:19 PM UTC, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> On Tue, 2015-10-27, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 1:11:54 PM UTC, Jorgen Grahn wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2015-10-26, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> >> > On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 10:43:43 AM UTC, Bart wrote:
> >> >> On 26/10/2015 10:09, Alla _ wrote:
> >> >> 
> >> >> That's not perfect, but it's a start. It won't work for names that 
> >> >> already have initials that aren't separated ("JB Priestly"), but then 
> >> >> the input needs to follow some conventions. But probably you aren't 
> >> >> worried about such details.
> >> >> 
> >> > Completely off-topic, but it's JB Priestley. 
> >> >
> >> > A descendant of his was a classmate. He was also JB
> >> > Priestley. All the boys in their family are give names starting
> >> > with J and B in his honour.
> >> 
> >> Still way off-topic, but very weird that the rule would apply to boys,
> >> but not girls ...
> >> 
> > JB Priestley was a man.
> 
> I knew that, but surely he didn't write with his genitals?
> 
> > Then in English independent schools, it's normal to refer to a boy
> > as Bloggs FJ, to a girl as Freda J Bloggs. Then Freda J Bloggs will
> > become Freda J Muggins on marriage to Mr Muggins.  So the family's
> > tradition made sense, the boys carry the Priestley name and
> > initials, and keep his memory alive, until a greater Priestley shall
> > arise in that family.
> 
> While the girls get married and have babies who, if they're lucky, are
> boys who can grow up to become famous writers?
> 
> This /is/ offtopic, so I'll stop there.
> 
I knew Priestley and was on good terms with him, but he was never an especially
close friend. just a classmate. Certainly none of our family have married into
his. So you'd have to ask the Priestleys what their reasoning is, whether they
have a policy of not educating the girls or if there is some other thinking 
behind it.

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#73849

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 2:43:43 PM UTC+4, Bart wrote:
> On 26/10/2015 10:09, Alla _ wrote:
> 
> > void toupper_initials(char user_name[])
> > {
> >      char initials[80];
> >      char space = ' ';
> >      int len = strlen(user_name);
> >      int i;
> >
> >      printf("%c", toupper(user_name[0]));
> >
> >      for (i = 1; i < len; i++) /** also can be while(user_name[i] != '\0') **/
> >      {
> >
> >           /** if the user has entered several names (divided by spaces),
> >              then convert to upper case each letter after the space in the
> >              user_name array; if the letter is in upper case, toupper prints
> >              the letter as it is
> >           **/
> >          if (user_name[i] = space)
> >          {
> >              initials[i] = toupper(user_name[i + 1]);
> >
> >              printf("%c", initials[i]);
> >          }
> >      }
> >      /** if there are no spaces between letters, the for loop terminates
> >          after scanning the whole string, and should produce no outcome;
> >          thus the program prints out only the first letter in upper case **/
> >
> >      printf("\n");
> > }
> 
> The logic is wrong. You're using 'i' to index along the name, but also 
> using i to index along the initials that are being generated. You need 
> two separate indices.

That's what I have initially tried, a few times actually,
but got a Segmentation error (of course, most likely because
of other bugs in a program). Then I thought it over, and 
decided to take out second index j. Obviously, I have to put 
it back (I still have it in a bigger version)

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#73841

It is the one error almost everyone makes:

        if (user_name[i] = space)

-- 
Udyant Wig

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#73843

On 26/10/2015 10:50, Udyant Wig wrote:
>
> It is the one error almost everyone makes:
>
>          if (user_name[i] = space)

And some compilers warn about it, which is good. But then some of them 
won't shut up about it, even when the assignment is intended, which is bad.

-- 
Bartc

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#73879

Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 26/10/2015 10:50, Udyant Wig wrote:
>> It is the one error almost everyone makes:
>>
>>          if (user_name[i] = space)
>
> And some compilers warn about it, which is good. But then some of them 
> won't shut up about it, even when the assignment is intended, which is bad.

Some compilers will shut up if you add an extra set of parentheses:

         if ((user_name[i] = space))

(Of course do this only if you really want to use the result of the
assignment as a condition.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#73884

On 26/10/2015 17:20, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> On 26/10/2015 10:50, Udyant Wig wrote:
>>> It is the one error almost everyone makes:
>>>
>>>           if (user_name[i] = space)
>>
>> And some compilers warn about it, which is good. But then some of them
>> won't shut up about it, even when the assignment is intended, which is bad.
>
> Some compilers will shut up if you add an extra set of parentheses:
>
>           if ((user_name[i] = space))
>
> (Of course do this only if you really want to use the result of the
> assignment as a condition.)

Out of the compilers I use, Clang, will do that. But I haven't found a 
way of silencing DMC.

-- 
Bartc

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#74120

Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 26/10/2015 17:20, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>> On 26/10/2015 10:50, Udyant Wig wrote:
>>>> It is the one error almost everyone makes:
>>>>
>>>>           if (user_name[i] = space)
>>>
>>> And some compilers warn about it, which is good.  But then some of them
>>> won't shut up about it, even when the assignment is intended, which is bad.
>>
>> Some compilers will shut up if you add an extra set of parentheses:
>>
>>           if ((user_name[i] = space))
>>
>> (Of course do this only if you really want to use the result of the
>> assignment as a condition.)
>
> Out of the compilers I use, Clang, will do that.  But I haven't found a
> way of silencing DMC.

What happens if you try

    if ( user_name[i] = space, user_name[i] )  ...

?

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