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Firefox improvements.

Started by"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
First post2015-10-08 07:55 +0200
Last post2015-10-13 21:42 +0200
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  Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-08 07:55 +0200
    Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-08 07:57 +0200
      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-08 08:01 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2015-10-09 01:08 -0700
          Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-10 13:08 +0200
            Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-10 13:09 +0200
      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-11 19:03 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 13:13 -0400
          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-11 19:55 +0100
            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 16:02 -0400
              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-11 21:45 +0100
                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-11 17:01 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-11 22:18 +0000
                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 18:45 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-11 18:03 -0500
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 19:24 -0400
                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-11 21:07 -0400
                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:53 +0100
              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:50 +0100
            Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-11 17:13 -0500
              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:55 +0100
              Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 01:08 -0500
                Re: Firefox improvements. Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 11:53 -0700
                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-19 16:58 -0400
                    Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-19 14:32 -0700
                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-19 18:26 -0400
                        Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-20 07:55 -0700
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-20 16:35 +0100
            Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 20:51 -0400
              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 21:05 -0400
              Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-12 01:08 +0000
              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:59 +0100
                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 23:08 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 04:41 +0100
                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 00:16 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 00:37 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 05:46 +0100
                        Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 00:56 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 06:18 +0100
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:22 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 08:44 +0100
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:23 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 08:47 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 03:59 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 09:14 +0100
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-12 12:08 +0100
                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 08:59 -0400
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:25 +0100
                                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:20 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:27 +0000
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 11:20 +0100
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:01 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:16 -0700
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 23:27 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-15 21:41 +0200
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 22:43 +0000
                                                Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-16 04:44 +0200
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 07:51 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-16 08:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 13:21 -0400
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2015-10-13 11:31 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2015-10-13 08:45 -0700
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:03 +0000
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 17:46 +0100
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 13:10 -0400
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-12 20:01 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-13 00:44 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 12:25 -0400
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-13 16:40 +0000
                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 13:02 -0400
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 18:16 +0100
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-13 11:32 -0600
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:53 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:27 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-14 01:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 21:58 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-14 02:13 +0000
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:29 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-15 01:46 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 01:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:16 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 01:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 22:07 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:22 -0400
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:19 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:51 +0100
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 12:59 +0000
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:09 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 13:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:29 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:30 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:31 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:09 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 22:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 21:22 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. JW <none@dev.null> - 2015-10-16 06:14 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:09 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:07 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 16:24 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 22:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:02 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 17:12 +0100
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:50 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 18:01 +0100
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 20:06 -0400
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com> - 2015-10-16 02:37 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 07:32 +0200
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-15 14:05 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 19:10 +0100
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-15 14:46 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-15 21:28 +0200
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-16 00:19 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 21:31 -0400
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-15 17:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-16 01:41 +0000
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-14 20:35 -0600
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-15 21:53 +0200
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:18 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:46 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-15 09:18 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-14 02:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-13 21:32 -0600
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 00:21 -0400
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:30 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 13:20 +0100
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:07 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-14 04:49 +0000
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 00:56 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-13 22:39 -0700
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 08:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-14 15:01 -0600
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 19:13 -0400
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:33 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 19:15 -0400
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:32 -0400
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 13:26 -0500
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 07:48 +0200
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-21 02:09 -0700
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-21 11:10 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-21 03:45 -0700
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-21 13:05 +0100
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-21 11:25 -0500
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 07:53 +0200
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 18:45 +0100
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 15:47 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 22:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 21:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:35 -0400
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-13 22:28 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 04:00 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 23:10 -0400
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 04:19 +0100
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 00:15 -0400
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 08:29 +0100
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:39 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:10 -0400
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:24 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 22:31 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:16 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 16:25 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 08:03 +0200
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 22:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:19 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 22:26 -0400
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 22:38 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:20 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-13 22:54 -0500
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-14 04:24 +0000
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:47 -0400
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 23:01 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:44 -0400
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:11 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:26 -0400
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:48 +0000
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-13 13:24 -0600
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 22:23 +0100
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:59 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:35 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 02:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-13 18:54 -0700
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 04:05 +0100
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:52 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:49 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-14 23:07 -0500
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 07:12 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:58 +0100
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 20:49 -0400
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 12:26 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-13 03:02 +0000
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 12:19 -0500
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 17:17 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-20 22:13 -0500
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:13 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 15:04 +0000
                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:30 -0400
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:43 +0000
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:29 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 08:53 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 08:50 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:18 +0100
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2015-10-12 16:50 +0200
                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:12 -0400
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 17:33 +0100
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:32 +0000
                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-12 21:20 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 21:43 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 08:03 +0200
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 07:18 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 07:28 +0100
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 10:16 +0100
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-13 04:35 -0700
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 12:57 +0100
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 13:29 +0100
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-13 14:41 +0200
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 13:53 +0100
                                                Re: Firefox improvements. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-13 16:24 +0200
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:12 +0000
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-13 16:39 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:51 +0000
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:55 -0400
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:47 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 18:13 +0100
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 19:03 +0000
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:57 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 22:02 +0100
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 22:04 +0000
                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:15 -0400
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:37 +0000
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 12:46 -0400
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Brian Gladman <blindanagram@nowhere.net> - 2015-10-12 18:01 +0100
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 13:14 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 15:12 +0000
                                Re: Firefox improvements. glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-13 03:06 +0000
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 12:28 -0400
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:30 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 23:58 -0700
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 09:01 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 08:54 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:24 +0100
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-12 07:07 -0700
                              Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 13:02 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 15:24 +0000
                Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 00:18 -0400
                Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 16:31 -0500
              Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 15:55 -0500
                Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-16 17:33 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-17 01:32 +0000
                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 01:12 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-17 12:53 -0400
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 19:32 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 20:29 -0700
                            Re: Firefox improvements. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-18 08:10 +0000
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 11:08 -0500
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 17:15 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-18 12:42 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:01 +0200
                  Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 00:34 -0500
                    Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-18 11:55 -0400
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 17:13 -0400
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-19 06:47 -0400
                    Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Neon John <no@never.com> - 2015-10-18 13:25 -0400
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-18 16:18 -0700
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-19 18:37 -0500
                    Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 11:54 -0700
            Re: Firefox improvements. rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-12 05:52 +0000
              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:35 -0400
                Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 01:07 -0500
                  Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 08:16 +0200
                    Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] David Malone <dwmalone@walton.maths.tcd.ie> - 2015-10-21 15:54 +0000
                      Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-21 11:57 -0400
                    Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2015-10-21 11:17 -0700
            Re: Firefox improvements. Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-15 10:38 -0700
          Re: Firefox improvements. Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-12 09:56 +0200
            Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 01:25 -0500
        Re: Firefox improvements. fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 00:32 -0700
        Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 08:47 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 09:17 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 09:36 +0200
    Re: Firefox improvements. bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 23:07 +0200
      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 21:42 +0200

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#72776

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-10-14 02:13 +0000
Message-ID<mvkdp0$r97$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72772
On 2015-10-14, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
..
>>
>>Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>>Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version. 
>
> Others don't speak English.  You definition makes no sense.  

Case closed.

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#72795

FromJoe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
Date2015-10-13 21:32 -0600
Message-ID<1bsi5egm5n.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>
In reply to#72770
William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> writes:

> On 2015-10-14, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:16:43 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 13/10/2015 18:02, krw wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:40:39 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
>>>
>>>>> Sure it is. Brute force says nothing about the order in which all the
>>>>> keys are tried.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.  That's exactly what the term means.  No thought, just pure
>>>> muscle.
>>>
>>>It can be a combination of logic and brute force (that's usually how I 
>>>solve puzzles with a machine instead of using an analytical solution).
>>
>> Surely, but that's not "brute force".
>>
>>>If I need to find a 4 digit PIN but somehow know it's more likely to be 
>>>in the top half, I might start at 9999 and work down, instead of 0000 
>>>and work up.
>>
>> OK, but that's just a stupid uneducated guess.  The search is still
>> dumb.  If you use information about the distribution of numbers, even
>> if you (intend to) search all combinations, it's not "brute force".
>>
>
> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version. 

(since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
is less brute than mine.

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#72799

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-14 00:21 -0400
Message-ID<j2mr1b5h8bs3ggkt4gf4sf9bqhp24esdaf@4ax.com>
In reply to#72795
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:32:36 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
Gave us:

>William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> writes:
>
>> On 2015-10-14, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:16:43 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 13/10/2015 18:02, krw wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:40:39 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
>>>>
>>>>>> Sure it is. Brute force says nothing about the order in which all the
>>>>>> keys are tried.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.  That's exactly what the term means.  No thought, just pure
>>>>> muscle.
>>>>
>>>>It can be a combination of logic and brute force (that's usually how I 
>>>>solve puzzles with a machine instead of using an analytical solution).
>>>
>>> Surely, but that's not "brute force".
>>>
>>>>If I need to find a 4 digit PIN but somehow know it's more likely to be 
>>>>in the top half, I might start at 9999 and work down, instead of 0000 
>>>>and work up.
>>>
>>> OK, but that's just a stupid uneducated guess.  The search is still
>>> dumb.  If you use information about the distribution of numbers, even
>>> if you (intend to) search all combinations, it's not "brute force".
>>>
>>
>> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version. 
>
>(since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>is less brute than mine.

  Thou brute!

  Or is that Et Tú Brutè?

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#72896

Fromkrw <krw@nowhere.com>
Date2015-10-14 20:30 -0400
Message-ID<qsst1b591jd87n3thbfgvlkhsod45n0f3p@4ax.com>
In reply to#72799
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:21:41 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:32:36 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
>Gave us:
>
>>William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> writes:
>>
>>> On 2015-10-14, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:16:43 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 13/10/2015 18:02, krw wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:40:39 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure it is. Brute force says nothing about the order in which all the
>>>>>>> keys are tried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.  That's exactly what the term means.  No thought, just pure
>>>>>> muscle.
>>>>>
>>>>>It can be a combination of logic and brute force (that's usually how I 
>>>>>solve puzzles with a machine instead of using an analytical solution).
>>>>
>>>> Surely, but that's not "brute force".
>>>>
>>>>>If I need to find a 4 digit PIN but somehow know it's more likely to be 
>>>>>in the top half, I might start at 9999 and work down, instead of 0000 
>>>>>and work up.
>>>>
>>>> OK, but that's just a stupid uneducated guess.  The search is still
>>>> dumb.  If you use information about the distribution of numbers, even
>>>> if you (intend to) search all combinations, it's not "brute force".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>>> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version. 
>>
>>(since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>is less brute than mine.
>
>  Thou brute!
>
>  Or is that Et Tú Brutè?

That stinks!

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#72906

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-14 21:09 -0400
Message-ID<d5vt1bhspeooat6kr45u6r19mjo2857egc@4ax.com>
In reply to#72896
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:30:39 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> Gave us:

>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:21:41 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
><DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:32:36 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
>>Gave us:
snip
>>>> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>>>> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version. 
>>>
>>>(since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>>that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>>is less brute than mine.
>>
>>  Thou brute!
>>
>>  Or is that Et Tú Brutè?
>
>That stinks!

  This isn't Denmark.

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#72942

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-10-15 13:20 +0100
Message-ID<mvo5j8$vq7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72906
On 15/10/15 02:09, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:30:39 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> Gave us:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:21:41 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
>> <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:32:36 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
>>> Gave us:
> snip
>>>>> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>>>>> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version.
>>>>
>>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>>> is less brute than mine.
>>>
>>>   Thou brute!
>>>
>>>   Or is that Et Tú Brutè?
>>
>> That stinks!
>
>    This isn't Denmark.

To be fair to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, that was actually quite funny.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Cf Marcellus in "Hamlet" Act I Scene IV

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#72944

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-15 09:07 -0400
Message-ID<f59v1bpd3en6vu7411ve31p9ioel9tv09q@4ax.com>
In reply to#72942
On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 13:20:54 +0100, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Gave us:

>On 15/10/15 02:09, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 20:30:39 -0400, krw <krw@nowhere.com> Gave us:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 00:21:41 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
>>> <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:32:36 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
>>>> Gave us:
>> snip
>>>>>> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>>>>>> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version.
>>>>>
>>>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>>>> is less brute than mine.
>>>>
>>>>   Thou brute!
>>>>
>>>>   Or is that Et Tú Brutè?
>>>
>>> That stinks!
>>
>>    This isn't Denmark.
>
>To be fair to DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno, that was actually quite funny.

  So was my subsequent, most recent response.

  And this one too....  

  Let them eat cake.

  But whatever you do...  do NOT vote for Donald J. Trump.  He is a
dishonorable criminal, and a political buffoon at best.

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#72801

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-10-14 04:49 +0000
Message-ID<mvkmsj$ice$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72795
On 2015-10-14, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> writes:
>>
>> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version. 
>
> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
> is less brute than mine.

Around here we have very intelligent brutes. 

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#72802

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-14 00:56 -0400
Message-ID<n3or1bleo33naclv3vv7vkkinsnd2ov7e3@4ax.com>
In reply to#72801
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 04:49:23 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
<unruh@invalid.ca> Gave us:

>On 2015-10-14, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> writes:
>>>
>>> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
>>> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version. 
>>
>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>> is less brute than mine.
>
>Around here we have very intelligent brutes. 

  Especially those New Mexico ruffians!

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#72804

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2015-10-13 22:39 -0700
Message-ID<lnio6a9fgc.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
In reply to#72795
Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
[...]
> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
> is less brute than mine.

Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#72810

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-10-14 08:40 +0100
Message-ID<mvl0pr$dqv$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72804
On 14/10/15 06:39, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
> [...]
>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>> is less brute than mine.
>
> Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.

I'm guessing that Joe means krw, who is presumably known in s.c.d (by a 
process of elimination).

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#72881

FromJoe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
Date2015-10-14 15:01 -0600
Message-ID<1boag1go6d.fsf@pfeifferfamily.net>
In reply to#72810
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:


> On 14/10/15 06:39, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
>> [...]
>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>> is less brute than mine.
>>
>> Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.
>
> I'm guessing that Joe means krw, who is presumably known in s.c.d (by
> a process of elimination).

Indeed that is who I meant; I've got no idea why "krw" was translated to
"Keith" when typing...

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#72887

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-14 19:13 -0400
Message-ID<7bot1btrousbunjko2op6m5p84kppj2o6s@4ax.com>
In reply to#72881
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:01:14 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu>
Gave us:

>Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>
>
>> On 14/10/15 06:39, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
>>> [...]
>>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>>> is less brute than mine.
>>>
>>> Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.
>>
>> I'm guessing that Joe means krw, who is presumably known in s.c.d (by
>> a process of elimination).
>
>Indeed that is who I meant; I've got no idea why "krw" was translated to
>"Keith" when typing...
>

  Because that is krw's first name.  Maybe you have ESP.

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#72898

Fromkrw <krw@nowhere.com>
Date2015-10-14 20:33 -0400
Message-ID<l1tt1b5c3gsdll9grre0jurbbakpo001fh@4ax.com>
In reply to#72881
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 15:01:14 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer
<pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:

>Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>
>
>> On 14/10/15 06:39, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
>>> [...]
>>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>>> is less brute than mine.
>>>
>>> Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.
>>
>> I'm guessing that Joe means krw, who is presumably known in s.c.d (by
>> a process of elimination).
>
>Indeed that is who I meant; I've got no idea why "krw" was translated to
>"Keith" when typing...
>
My mommy did that translation. ;-)

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#72888

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-14 19:15 -0400
Message-ID<keot1b1cha80ppj8u5t2lmv58q6hc9sul9@4ax.com>
In reply to#72810
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:40:40 +0100, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Gave us:

>On 14/10/15 06:39, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
>> [...]
>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>> is less brute than mine.
>>
>> Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.
>
>I'm guessing that Joe means krw, who is presumably known in s.c.d (by a 
>process of elimination).

  Was that a "brute force" process?

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#72936

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-10-15 12:42 +0100
Message-ID<mvo3bb$n7a$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72888
On 15/10/15 00:15, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:40:40 +0100, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
> Gave us:
>
>> On 14/10/15 06:39, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
>>> [...]
>>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>>> is less brute than mine.
>>>
>>> Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.
>>
>> I'm guessing that Joe means krw, who is presumably known in s.c.d (by a
>> process of elimination).
>
>    Was that a "brute force" process?

It's a reasonable question. I think the answer is "no".

It turns out that Joe meant to type "krw" but typed "Keith" by mistake. 
I made my guess when that information was not known (except, perhaps, by 
Joe). It seemed to me to be obvious that Joe was describing krw's 
definition, so I deduced that Joe knew krw. Since he couldn't know him 
from sci.crypt (because krw doesn't normally post in sci.crypt) or from 
comp.lang.c (where krw certainly doesn't normally post and I'm 
reasonably sure Joe Pfeiffer doesn't either although I haven't actually 
checked that and could conceivably be wrong), of the three newsgroups 
that this thread is cross-posted to it was only sci.electronics.design 
(to which I don't subscribe) in which Joe and krw might be on first name 
terms.

So it was a deductive process, rather than a brute force process. 
Because it was based on an incorrect assumption, it was a flawed 
deductive process. But it wasn't brute force.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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#72897

Fromkrw <krw@nowhere.com>
Date2015-10-14 20:32 -0400
Message-ID<qust1bphi9j9dosg3fppvj4borr3pl82u9@4ax.com>
In reply to#72810
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:40:40 +0100, Richard Heathfield
<rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

>On 14/10/15 06:39, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> writes:
>> [...]
>>> (since it sounds like Keith's definition and mine agree) I'll accept
>>> that others have a different version, but I'll insist that their version
>>> is less brute than mine.
>>
>> Not mine; I've been staying out of this discussion.
>
>I'm guessing that Joe means krw, who is presumably known in s.c.d (by a 
>process of elimination).

k => Keith, so I assumed he knew me.  ;-)

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#73052

FromJeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org>
Date2015-10-16 13:26 -0500
Message-ID<d8ctq7FoqsbU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#72770
On 2015-10-14 01:45:39 +0000, William Unruh said:

> On 2015-10-14, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:16:43 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 13/10/2015 18:02, krw wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:40:39 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
>>> 
>>>>> Sure it is. Brute force says nothing about the order in which all the
>>>>> keys are tried.
>>>> 
>>>> Wrong.  That's exactly what the term means.  No thought, just pure
>>>> muscle.
>>> 
>>> It can be a combination of logic and brute force (that's usually how I
>>> solve puzzles with a machine instead of using an analytical solution).
>> 
>> Surely, but that's not "brute force".
>> 
>>> If I need to find a 4 digit PIN but somehow know it's more likely to be
>>> in the top half, I might start at 9999 and work down, instead of 0000
>>> and work up.
>> 
>> OK, but that's just a stupid uneducated guess.  The search is still
>> dumb.  If you use information about the distribution of numbers, even
>> if you (intend to) search all combinations, it's not "brute force".
>> 
> 
> Yes, we now know your own peculiar version of what "brute force" means.
> Accept that others (most others?) might have a different version.

Suppose you were searching a keyspace (instead of for passwords) and you
knew that the generator of the keys had a strong bias for some numbers
over others. Suppose that in an n bit number, the probability of getting
a 1 bit was 0.51 and the probability of getting a 0 bit is 0.49.

If you design a search for keys that exploited such a weaknes in the key
generator, would you be happy to call that a "brute force" attack? If you
would not, then it wouldn't be appropriate to talk about an attack on
passwords that exploited biases in the password generation scheme.

We can define our words however we want, but I suspect that a distinction
between "exhaustive search" and "brute force" attack might be useful.

When a distribution is uniform, an exhausitve search is the same as a
brute force attack. But when it is not uniform, then these differ.

In what follows I will use "brute force" in the narrow sense. It means
that nothing about the distribution other than its bounds is used in
designing the search.

When it comes to cracking passwords, nobody does a brute force attack
unless the key space is very small, and a dictionary attack is only
the first phase of an attack.

The interesting parts of the attacks search more and more of the
keyspace, generating guesses that it considers most likely.

So when talking about password security, we need to very much focus
on the fact that attackers make great use of the non-uniformality
of the distriution.


Cheers,

-j

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#73451

From"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-21 07:48 +0200
Message-ID<6a60c$56272742$d47876e2$46911@news.ziggo.nl>
In reply to#73052
To me brute force would have always ment that some process is 
ramming/logging passwords into some system...

That's where the word "brute" refers to.

It's literally hammering the system.

And then "force" is to force itself through the entire key space.

The actual order or so of it doesn't really matter. Up or Down is as far as 
I am concerned still brute force.

Even if one has a hunch or prior knowledge that the key *might* be in the 
upper region... but one never really knows for sure...

There *might* be a bias as some say, but never sure.

If you just want that one password for that one account, these stats 
probably play very little roll for the actual account.

These kinds of stats would only apply to repeatedly trying to hack different 
accounts, which might also be part of an attack.

But already trying to get into a single account is already difficult enough, 
so these kind of stats don't mean that much ! ;)

Bye,
  Skybuck. 

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#73466

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>
Date2015-10-21 02:09 -0700
Message-ID<54f3347c-dea7-43f4-adc1-c2ac9a483ac4@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#73451
On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 6:49:00 AM UTC+1, Skybuck Flying wrote:
> To me brute force would have always ment that some process is 
> ramming/logging passwords into some system...
> 
> That's where the word "brute" refers to.
> 
> It's literally hammering the system.
> 
Normally we use the term to mean "uses an easy NP or N^2 algorithm when a
more difficult lower-order algorithm is available".
Real travelling salesmen seldom have more than four or five customers on
their list for the day, so simply trying out every combination of routes is
perfectly adequate in producing an itinerary. That's still the brute force
algorithm.

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