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A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life

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  A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 14:36 -0700
    Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-14 16:38 -0700
      Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 17:14 -0700
      Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-14 17:52 -0700
        Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-09-15 10:03 -0700
          Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 10:09 -0700
          Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-15 18:40 +0100
      Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 08:24 +0100
      Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-15 13:19 +0200
        Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-15 12:22 +0100
          Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 04:31 -0700
    Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 10:57 +0200
      Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 03:32 -0700
        Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2015-09-21 01:40 -0400
      Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-15 04:15 -0700
    Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2015-09-15 13:48 +0000
    Re: A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-15 10:39 -0700

#70531 — A Tragic and Unnecessary loss of life

Jesus Christ came to the Earth to take away our sin, to suffer shame,
humiliation, agony in our place, to give us eternal life. He calls
out to all people worldwide with the same offer of eternal life
through our repentance, and our asking for forgiveness, and in our
believing upon His name, and He will give it to all who come to Him.

Yet some people will choose to follow after worldliness, and world-
loving ways rather than receiving His free "get out of eternal
damnation in the lake of fire" gift, that's theirs for the receiving.

What a tragic day it will be for those when on the last day the
Trumpet sounds, and all who rejected Him are summoned to His Court by
name, filled with terror, to be Judged, to be found Guilty and sentenced
to the only punishment suitable for a rebellious eternal being made in
the likeness and image of God, tossed alive, headlong, kicking and
screaming, into the lake of burning sulfur.

Forever.

What a tragic loss for that soul. A unnecessary loss of eternal life for
pride, for personal lust, for temporary Earthly things, for a willingness
to follow a liar like Satan rather than the true living God.

All who reject God will be put to shame, will be utterly cast down, never
to return. Their names will never be spoken of again, and all they will
ever know is unending and consuming agony and suffering in the flames of
Hell Forever.

-----
Jesus sets men free from that end. All any of us have to do is receive Him.
And it is all of us who need to accept His free offer of salvation, to be
set free from Judgement, and to enter in to eternal Life.

Jesus offers this to all people equally worldwide.  He is not a respecter
of persons.  Your past will be forgiven you, the same as the past of
other believers who are also forgiven.

Look to the future.  Count the cost of your sin.  Count the cost of
rejecting the Savior.  And turn your heart and mind to Him and ask
Him to forgive you, and then take up your cross and follow after Him
daily.

Faithful and True are His names.  Jesus Christ will save you.  Ask Him.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#70536

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 4:36:45 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Yet some people will choose to follow after worldliness, and world-
> loving ways rather than receiving His free "get out of eternal
> damnation in the lake of fire" gift, that's theirs for the receiving.

God gave mankind free will.  He has a plan, which the endeavors to carry out,
through the Holy Spirit, by calling upon people to do things, but because
people have free will, they do not always obey.

The Prodigal Son did not leave the farm because he was evil, nor even because
he was foolish.  He left the farm because he was human being with free will.
The father may have wished that the son could be happy on the farm, but he
recognized that couldn't happen until the son had suffered the cruel realities
of the world outside.  While some might view the son's painful journey as
unfortunate, it was hardly unnecessary.  Granting free will means accepting
the risks that go along with it, but such risks pale in comparison to the
meaninglessness of a life without free will.

Paradise 1.0 (Eden) was the farm before the departure of the Prodigal Son
(mankind), while Paradise 2.0 (Heaven) will be the farm after the return.
Until the Son recognized for himself the true nature of the world outside
the farm, any efforts to convince him that he should return home would have
been rejected as an attack on his free will, and any any evidence of the
world's true nature accompanying such efforts would have been likewise
rejected.

Those who repent of their sins and return to Christ will be welcomed home,
but those who have free will cannot be forced to repent.  If people think
that their life is fine without God's forgiveness, there's no way to
convince them otherwise.  Only after people realize their need for something
they lack will it be possible to lead them to it.  That some people are slow
to come to such realization is an unavoidable, and hardly unnecessary,
consequence of free will.

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#70537

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:39:01 PM UTC-4, supe...@casperkitty.com wrote:
> Those who repent of their sins and return to Christ will be welcomed home,
> but those who have free will cannot be forced to repent.  If people think
> that their life is fine without God's forgiveness, there's no way to
> convince them otherwise.  Only after people realize their need for something
> they lack will it be possible to lead them to it.  That some people are slow
> to come to such realization is an unavoidable, and hardly unnecessary,
> consequence of free will.

That's why Jesus commands us to go out into all the world and teach,
because some people will hear the message, and come out, and repent,
and be saved.  And as Jude teaches, there is more than one way to
reach, and therefore teach people.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#70538

supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
[...]
> God gave mankind free will.  He has a plan, which the endeavors to carry out,
[...]

supercat, you haven't been participating in this newsgroup
for very long.  Let me urge you *not* to make off-topic posts.
This newsgroup discusses the C programming language.  There are
plenty of other forums for discussing God and/or religion, or
whatever you'd like to talk about.  Most of us would greatly prefer
for this newsgroup to continue to be a good place to discuss C,
without too many distractions.

We've told Rick this a number of times.  He has persistently ignored
us, which is why he's in a number of killfiles.  I'm hoping you
won't follow his example.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#70564

On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 7:52:59 PM UTC-5, Keith Thompson wrote:
> supercat, you haven't been participating in this newsgroup
> for very long.  Let me urge you *not* to make off-topic posts.

I deliberately chose a thread which did not have any on-topic material; since
almost any newsreader will consolidate messages by thread, I figured the impact
on other readers would be minimal.

I'm sure people have been arguing with Mr. Hodges for ages, using the language
of Usenet etiquette, but such arguments have clearly been ineffective because
Mr. Hodges appears to speak the language of theology.  One thing that both
religious and non-religious people fail to grasp is that arguments made using
the wrong language are counter-productive.  I don't know to what extent anyone
has tried to articulate **theological** reasons why his conduct might be less
than ideal, but since I understand the languages of both religious and secular
argument, I figured I'd try to bridge the gap.  I perhaps got a little caught
up in trying to write a response which was actually topical to the thread to
which I was replying, but I figured that since everyone else would be ignoring
the thread it shouldn't matter too much.

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#70565

supe...@casperkitty.com wrote:
> ...with Mr. Hodges...

My Earthly father's name is Mr. Hodgin, not Hodges.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#70571

On 15/09/2015 18:03, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote:

<snip>

> I don't know to what extent anyone
> has tried to articulate **theological** reasons why his conduct might be less
> than ideal,

I did. It doesn't work. He doesn't understand theology. (It gets worse. 
He thinks he /does/ understand theology.)

<snip>

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#70545

<supercat@casperkitty.com> wrote in message 
news:22740e9b-f757-4ee5-a7e8-f795426b0659@googlegroups.com...
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 at 4:36:45 PM UTC-5, Rick C. Hodgin 
> wrote:
>> Yet some people will choose to follow after worldliness, and world-
>> loving ways rather than receiving His free "get out of eternal
>> damnation in the lake of fire" gift, that's theirs for the receiving.
>
> God gave mankind free will....

Oh no! Don't you start...!     :-(

This newsgroup has been much improved since I killfiled Rick's offensive 
and arrogant posts. I can understand someone rising to the bait but 
there are presumably newsgroups for people who want to discuss such 
things, and if nothing else you could set followups. Your posts are at 
least normally on topic.

No offence. I have replied to you as you can probably understand what 
effect this has on others. He seems too far gone over into his own 
mindset to understand the negative effect he is having but you may see 
things more clearly.

James

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#70552

Le 15/09/2015 01:38, supercat@casperkitty.com a écrit :
> God gave mankind free will.  He has a plan, which the endeavors to carry out,
> through the Holy Spirit, by calling upon people to do things, but because
> people have free will, they do not always obey.

Among god's creations there are... well, us: the atheists.

Why god allows atheists to exist? I shouldn't be here actually, it was 
all a mistake. But anyway, now I am here and god has to cope with this fact.

I do not believe in him at all. I think there is nothing in the whole 
universe that gives any hint of any god.

So what?

I am going to die and will find out, sooner or later, if he is around. 
And if he is around, SO WHAT?

I strive to live my life without harming other people and if I am wrong 
and I am in front of him, I wouldn't have any fears. I have done nothing 
to provoke his rage!

:-)

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#70553

On 15/09/2015 12:19, jacobnavia wrote:
> Le 15/09/2015 01:38, supercat@casperkitty.com a écrit :
>>  God gave mankind free will.  He has a plan, which the endeavors to carry out,
>>  through the Holy Spirit, by calling upon people to do things, but because
>>  people have free will, they do not always obey.
>
> Among god's creations there are... well, us: the atheists.

A friend of mine confided in me that he is really an atheist, but he 
calls himself an agnostic because he doesn't want to hurt God's feelings.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#70554

I used to call myself an atheist. But I wasn't. I
was a liar lying to myself. I knew who God was,
if only that I knew He was real.

It is the same for all people:

     http://biblehub.com/romans/1-20.htm
     "For the invisible things of him from the
     creation of the world are clearly seen, being
     understood by the things that are made,
     even his eternal power and Godhead; so
     that they are without excuse:"

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#70546

On 2015-09-14 23:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Jesus Christ came to the Earth to take away our sin, to suffer shame,
> humiliation, agony in our place, to give us eternal life. He calls
> out to all people worldwide with the same offer of eternal life
[...]

George Carlin didn't agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE


-- August

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#70547

August Karlstrom wrote:
> George Carlin didn't agree.

George Carlin died an unrepentant sinner. He was
summoned by God to Judgement, was found guilty,
and was tossed headlong into the burning lake of
fire. He will be tormented there day and night forever.
No reprieve. No escape.

Such is the fate for all who don't seek forgiveness
from/in Jesus Christ. It's why I write these posts,
so that people will hear the truth and avoid that
end.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#71006

Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

>...
>George Carlin died an unrepentant sinner. He was
>summoned by God to Judgement, was found guilty,
>and was tossed headlong into the burning lake of
>fire. 

That's one more reason to follow Mark Twain's advice:
"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."

R.W.

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#70550

On Tuesday, September 15, 2015 at 9:57:48 AM UTC+1, August Karlstrom wrote:
> On 2015-09-14 23:36, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Jesus Christ came to the Earth to take away our sin, to suffer shame,
> > humiliation, agony in our place, to give us eternal life. He calls
> > out to all people worldwide with the same offer of eternal life
> [...]
> 
> George Carlin didn't agree.
> 
Please.
It's painful to me to see that type of discussion of Christian theology.
But it's not topical here, I'm not going to correct any misconceptions. 

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#70561

On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 14:36:30 -0700, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Jesus Christ came to the Earth to take away our sin, to suffer shame,
> humiliation, agony in our place, to give us eternal life.

	I don't believe it. Let's talk C now.

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#70569

One of the easiest things to do on this Earth is to not speak about
the gospel of Jesus Christ, to not teach people about sin, to not
point out that sinful actions result in eternal consequences, and
to not warn the people in one's life about the coming day of
Judgement and Wrath.

It is so easy to not warn people because it follows everything of
Earthly origin.  Our flesh does not want struggle.  We do not want
to hurt our family and friends.  We want to remain popular and
well liked so that we will have social interaction that is both
enjoyable and beneficial.  But this pursuit is only one aspect of
our lives, and it is not one which follows the most important
aspect, but only the most immediate, the one most in front of us,
the one which we can all tangibly see and grasp at this moment,
but by comparison to the one which comes it bears no weight, it
has no mass, it cannot stand on its own and is but a mist or
vapor that is here for a tick of the clock, and then gone.

We were created in the image and likeness of God.  We have a future
that will go on for eternity.  For some that eternity will be in
Heaven with Jesus in the paradise of God.  And for some it will be
in Hell without Jesus in the torment of unending flames, and worms
that do not die.

Jesus Christ is the door.  He is the key to eternal life.  He is
the One we must come to asking for forgiveness, lest we already
stand condemned (John 3:18).

-----
There are no more important things in a person's life than coming
to a saving knowledge and relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.
-----

It is the antithesis of who He is to stand before Jesus Christ,
knowing salvation (or believing that you know salvation), and then
to not speak of Him in all you do, not consider Him first in all
you do, not continually sprinkle everything you do with His
presence, for He is an ALL CONSUMING FIRE in one's heart!

Jesus Christ has been given all authority in Heaven and on the
Earth.  He commands us to go out and teach and make disciples.
And the enemy of God, Satan, has a very persuasive argument that
works on many:  show respect for other people's wishes, and do
not speak about religion here.  Separate the religious talk to
that other place over there where it is more appropriate.  Do
this, and I will be your friend and we can get along.  Don't do
this and I will add you to my killfile list and we will be
enemies.

I would remind every Christian on this list that when they reject
you for speaking about Jesus Christ, for teaching about Him, for
teaching about their need of repentance, of holiness, of seeking
after Him in life for all of their Earthly cues, that when they
reject you for so doing THEY ARE NOT REJECTING YOU, BUT ARE RATHER
REJECTING HIM!  They are rejecting Jesus Christ.

IT IS OUR DUTY to teach people about Jesus Christ.  To go out
into all the world, everything we do, everywhere we go, and speak
to those people we encounter about Jesus Christ, to teach them of
their need to repent of sin, for it is His command:

    http://biblehub.com/acts/17-30.htm
    "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now
     commandeth all men every where to repent:"

This is not merely a command for the saved, but this is a command
of all men every where, that they repent!  And unless men and
women go forth and teach people these things, they will never hear
it from the enemy of God who is in the world teaching them that
every other way is correct.

So many people will wind up in Hell believing all along that they
were going to Heaven, because they never did the will of the Father
who is in Heaven who is Spirit, for those who follow Him must do so
in spirit and in truth!

But of that day, none will have any excuse.  He has warned in no
uncertain terms that our lives are not our own, that we have a
command to do His will, and that if we deny Him here upon this
Earth in front of men, that He will deny us before His Father:

     http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/6-19.htm
     http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/6-20.htm
     19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the
        Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and
        ye are not your own?
     20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God
        in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

And:

     http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-21.htm
     Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter
     into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of
     my Father which is in heaven.

And:

     http://biblehub.com/matthew/10-33.htm
     But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also
     deny before my Father which is in heaven.

WAKE UP sleeping church of men-fearing capitulation.  Do not let
those who are perishing guide your actions.  Let the God of this
universe guide your actions.  SPEAK of His Holy Name!  PROCLAIM
Salvation by His blood, and our need of repentance because the
DAY OF WRATH is approaching (and who will be able to stand?)!!

This is not a small matter.  This is the most important thing we
have here on this Earth.  Jesus came here to save souls.  He came
to pay the price and teach about our need to turn to Him because
of our sin, to repent, and ask forgiveness that we might be saved.

OUR ETERNAL SOULS are at stake!  This is not a trifle!  There are
no more important things in this world!  And the enemy of this
world would have us be silent?!?!  Even those who profess to be
Christians stand up and say, "BE YE SILENT, RICK!  STOP SPEAKING
ABOUT JESUS CHRIST!  STOP SPEAKING OUT PEOPLE'S NEED TO REPENT
BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!"

I am amazed by the responses I get from professed Christians.
So many will be left behind in the rapture because they did not
follow the Lamb of God, they did not do His will here upon the
Earth when the time of Grace was at hand.  So many will have to
go through the tribulation and in those horrific times will have
to be totally committed, willing to (and likely needing to) die
for the faith, for their profession of Jesus Christ.

I pray for each of you who profess Christianity, that the Lord's
Grace and Repentance may be poured out upon your full strength,
that you might remember who you are in sin, and who He is to take
your sin away, and what that means for you in your life, that it
is no longer you that live, but Christ living inside of you.  I
pray that your hardened hearts will turn and you will reach out
in love to those around you who will perish, that they will not
perish from any lack of communication from your mouth.

C.H. Spurgeon once wrote:

    http://www.gracegems.org/7/If%20hell%20must%20be%20filled.htm
    From Spurgeon's sermon, "The Wailing of Risca"

    "Oh, my brothers and sisters in Christ,
    if sinners will be damned, at least
    let them leap to hell over our bodies.

    "And if they will perish, let them perish with our
    arms about their knees, imploring them to stop,
    and not madly to destroy themselves.

    "If hell must be filled, at least let it be
    filled in the teeth of our exertions, and let
    not one go there unwarned and unprayed for."

HAVE YOU NO COMPASSION FOR THE DYING TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM THAT
LAST CHANCE FROM YOUR MOUTHS TO LIVE BEFORE THEIR FATE IS SEALED
FOR ****ALL**** ETERNITY?!?!

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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