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"“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett"

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First post2019-08-28 16:11 -0500
Last post2019-09-09 01:09 -0700
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  "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2019-08-28 16:11 -0500
    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-08-28 15:48 -0700
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-08-29 00:20 +0100
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2019-09-01 17:31 -0500
    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-29 02:36 +0000
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-29 11:02 +0200
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-08-29 22:21 +1200
          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-29 13:24 +0200
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-08-29 13:29 -0700
          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 08:04 +0200
            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-08-29 23:11 -0700
          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-30 10:14 +0200
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 07:42 +0200
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-29 14:54 +0200
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 08:07 +0200
    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2019-08-29 05:14 -0500
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-08-29 15:00 +0100
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2019-08-29 10:39 -0500
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 04:24 -0700
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-08-30 20:52 +0100
      Re: Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-09-03 20:07 +0000
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 17:13 -0500
    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-29 14:53 +0200
      Re: Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2019-08-29 13:14 +0000
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-29 15:38 +0200
        Re: Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-09-03 20:09 +0000
          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-09-04 08:31 +0300
            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-09-05 16:55 +0000
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 08:13 +0200
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 08:38 +0200
          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 08:51 +0200
            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 10:13 +0200
              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 10:18 +0200
                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 10:31 +0200
                  Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 10:39 +0200
                    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 10:43 +0200
                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 10:47 +0200
                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-30 11:41 +0200
                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 11:56 +0200
                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-30 13:08 +0200
                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 13:47 +0200
                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-31 23:39 +0200
                                  Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-01 05:16 +0200
                                    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-01 16:03 +0200
                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-01 18:22 +0200
                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" My nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-09-01 12:20 -0700
                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-09-01 15:23 -0400
                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-01 22:39 +0200
                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-09-02 00:48 -0700
                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-02 06:47 +0200
                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-09-02 11:12 -0400
                                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-02 17:52 +0200
                                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-09-02 18:43 +0200
                                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-09-02 13:05 -0400
                                                  Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-02 19:33 +0200
                                                    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-09-02 17:16 -0400
                                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 06:49 +0200
                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-03 08:31 +0200
                                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 08:39 +0200
                                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-03 09:06 +0200
                                                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 09:19 +0200
                                                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-03 10:30 +0200
                                                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-09-03 07:11 -0400
                                                                  Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 13:17 +0200
                                                                    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-03 15:29 +0200
                                                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 15:42 +0200
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 15:51 +0200
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2019-09-03 17:35 +0200
                                                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 17:43 +0200
                                                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-09-03 18:51 +0100
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 20:03 +0200
                                                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-03 21:53 +0200
                                                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-04 06:42 +0200
                                                                              Re: Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-09-05 16:56 +0000
                                                                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-06 07:10 +0200
                                                                                  Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" My nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-09-06 12:32 -0700
                                                                          Re: Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-03 20:33 +0000
                                                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-04 06:38 +0200
                                                                          Re: "?Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly?: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2019-09-03 22:08 +0000
                                                                            Re: "?Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly?: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-04 06:41 +0200
                                                                            Re: "?Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly?: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-04 09:13 +0200
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-03 21:50 +0200
                                                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-09-03 22:43 +0100
                                                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-04 09:24 +0200
                                                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-09-03 11:03 -0700
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                                                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2019-09-04 10:47 +1000
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-09-04 16:56 +1200
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-04 09:37 +0200
                                                                  Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-09-03 05:37 -0700
                                                                    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Hans im Glück <hig68@gmx.at> - 2019-09-03 15:26 +0200
                                                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 06:54 -0700
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 16:08 +0200
                                                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" My nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 07:16 -0700
                                                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 19:07 +0200
                                                                      Re: Exceptions Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-09-04 06:12 -0700
                                                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" My nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 07:14 -0700
                                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2019-09-05 22:02 -0400
                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-08-31 13:20 +0100
                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-08-31 23:45 +0200
                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-08-30 14:08 +0300
                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 13:37 +0200
                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 13:48 +0200
                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" My nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 05:01 -0700
                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-08-30 15:18 +0300
                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 14:24 +0200
                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 15:43 +0200
                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 16:23 +0200
                                  Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 14:40 +0000
                                    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-08-30 07:56 -0700
                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 15:08 +0000
                                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 19:19 +0200
                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-08-31 03:05 +0300
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                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-08-31 10:48 -0700
                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-31 11:43 +0200
                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-08-31 17:17 +0300
                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-31 16:28 +0200
                                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-01 00:06 +0200
                                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-09-01 15:49 +0300
                                                Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-09-01 16:12 +0200
                                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-09-08 10:23 -0700
                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-08 20:29 +0200
                                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" My nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-09-09 12:51 -0700
                                    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 16:57 +0200
                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Mel <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2019-08-30 15:42 +0200
                          Re: "???Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly???: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Juha Nieminen <nospam@thanks.invalid> - 2019-08-30 21:03 +0000
                      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-08-31 09:42 +1200
                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-08-30 23:53 +0200
                        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2019-09-06 06:24 -0500
                          Re: Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-09-06 13:51 +0000
                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2019-09-06 22:03 -0500
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                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-07 18:17 +0200
                              Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-07 18:48 +0200
                          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-09-07 18:09 +0100
                            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2019-09-07 15:32 -0500
    Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2019-09-03 18:39 +0000
      Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-03 20:46 +0200
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-09-04 01:07 +0100
        Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" William Ahern <william@25thandClement.com> - 2019-09-03 20:04 -0700
          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-09-04 06:46 +0200
          Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-09-04 04:48 +0000
            Re: "“Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly”: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett" "Chris M. Thomasson " <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-09-09 01:09 -0700

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#145917

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-03 09:19 +0200
Message-ID<qkl46k$2ht$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145916
> Sorry, you are wrong again.  I have worked on several systems where
> exception handling would have been ruled out for performance reasons
> (had the software been written in C++, rather than C).

I don't believe you.

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#145918

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-09-03 10:30 +0200
Message-ID<qkl8al$kps$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145917
On 03/09/2019 09:19, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> Sorry, you are wrong again.  I have worked on several systems where
>> exception handling would have been ruled out for performance reasons
>> (had the software been written in C++, rather than C).
> 
> I don't believe you.
> 

I don't care.

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#145919

FromRichard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org>
Date2019-09-03 07:11 -0400
Message-ID<mTrbF.97476$to5.77862@fx04.iad>
In reply to#145917
On 9/3/19 3:19 AM, Bonita Montero wrote:
>> Sorry, you are wrong again.  I have worked on several systems where
>> exception handling would have been ruled out for performance reasons
>> (had the software been written in C++, rather than C).
> 
> I don't believe you.
> 

The fact that you haven't encountered significantly tight real-time
requirements doesn't mean they don't exist. I can say from experience
that there ARE cases with rules like this, and they have good grounds to
exist.

Exceptions work in many environments, but not all. Error code returns
work in many environments too. Which methods are usable, and which
methods are good to use, and which method is best, are VERY subject to
the domain you are working in. To think that one method is best
everywhere is very myopic, and says that one has been in just a small
part of the total space of programming.

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#145920

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-03 13:17 +0200
Message-ID<qkli44$8ln$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145919
>> I don't believe you.

> The fact that you haven't encountered significantly tight real-time
> requirements doesn't mean they don't exist.

The folks here are Nerds without any experience on that. And if there
are any circumstances that would make error-handling  through exception
not feasible because they would be too slow, this would be very rare.
Thus it is not credible that david would have many of such experiences.
He is simply a liar!

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#145925

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-09-03 15:29 +0200
Message-ID<qklprd$oag$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145920
On 03/09/2019 13:17, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>> I don't believe you.
> 
>> The fact that you haven't encountered significantly tight real-time
>> requirements doesn't mean they don't exist.
> 
> The folks here are Nerds without any experience on that. 

And you base that on what evidence?

There are people in this group with experience of all sorts of systems.
 There are people who have programmed tiny systems.  My own record for
small devices was 1K flash and no ram (programmed in C with gcc).  I
have a project coming up with 2K flash and 128 byte ram on the device.

There are people here who have programmed mainframes, supercomputers,
operating systems, hypervisors, games, simulators, emulators,
programming languages.  There are people who have programmed
safety-critical systems or high reliability systems (I have personally
worked on a couple of systems where mistakes could cost lives, and
several more where mistakes cost millions.  I know I am not alone in
that in this group).  And of course there are also those who have "only"
worked on PC software, or who are students, or hobby programmers, or
academics.

> And if there
> are any circumstances that would make error-handling  through exception
> not feasible because they would be too slow, this would be very rare.

No one has denied that it is unusual for the speed of exceptions to be
the reason they can't be used in a project.  It is far, far more
important that the speed is unpredictable and you cannot (with any sane
level of effort) be sure of the limits.  You don't understand what "real
time" means - please try to learn a little from other people, rather
than parading your ignorance.

> Thus it is not credible that david would have many of such experiences.
> He is simply a liar!
> 

Really?  You have extrapolated from your own experiences and limited
knowledge, and made wild and unjustified comments about programming
domains well beyond your ken.  You combine that with continuous and
apparently wilful misreading of my posts, and that's your conclusion?

So tell me, /why/ do you think I am lying?  Do you think I am trying to
appear impressive and gain respect?  From whom?  The people in this
group whose opinion I respect are not impressed by lies or
exaggerations, and are usually quite good at spotting them.  It should
be quite obvious that I have little respect for /you/ at the moment, and
therefore no interest in trying to impress you.

My interest in this discussion has been about sharing experiences and
knowledge, and perhaps giving people something to think about or some
ideas of programming issues beyond those that are familiar to them from
before, and maybe correcting some misconceptions.  That is usually what
I look for myself in discussion threads.

It is painfully clear, however, that you are unteachable - your reaction
to being shown something new is denial and insults.  This is a shame,
and I hope you will realise it and make an effort to change.

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#145927

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-03 15:42 +0200
Message-ID<qklqkg$o37$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145925
Liar!

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#145929

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-03 15:51 +0200
Message-ID<qklr49$or4$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145927
You try to emphasize your credibility as a developer who ewas involved
in a lot projects like those I told by referring to others her in this
group that have similar special positions. How stupid is that?

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#145935

FromManfred <noname@add.invalid>
Date2019-09-03 17:35 +0200
Message-ID<qkm18q$131k$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#145927
On 9/3/2019 3:42 PM, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Liar!
You really love trolling, don't you?

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#145936

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-03 17:43 +0200
Message-ID<qkm1n1$c9f$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145935
>> Liar!

> You really love trolling, don't you?

Liars which emphasize their competency tend to envision details
of their knoweldge. But the only details he envisions are drawing
relationships to other specialists here; that's really uncredibel

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#145939

FromMr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk>
Date2019-09-03 18:51 +0100
Message-ID<HKxbF.7371$6w4.4268@fx25.fr7>
In reply to#145925
On 03/09/2019 14:29, David Brown wrote:
> have a project coming up with 2K flash and 128 byte ram on the device.

Such a device sounds fucktarded this day and age. Get a better device or 
ask your employer to stop trolling you.

/Flibble

-- 
"Snakes didn't evolve, instead talking snakes with legs changed into 
snakes." - Rick C. Hodgin

“You won’t burn in hell. But be nice anyway.” – Ricky Gervais

“I see Atheists are fighting and killing each other again, over who 
doesn’t believe in any God the most. Oh, no..wait.. that never happens.” – 
Ricky Gervais

"Suppose it's all true, and you walk up to the pearly gates, and are 
confronted by God," Bryne asked on his show The Meaning of Life. "What 
will Stephen Fry say to him, her, or it?"
"I'd say, bone cancer in children? What's that about?" Fry replied.
"How dare you? How dare you create a world to which there is such misery 
that is not our fault. It's not right, it's utterly, utterly evil."
"Why should I respect a capricious, mean-minded, stupid God who creates a 
world that is so full of injustice and pain. That's what I would say."

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#145940

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-03 20:03 +0200
Message-ID<qkm9sn$8p5$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145939
>> have a project coming up with 2K flash and 128 byte ram on the device.

> Such a device sounds fucktarded this day and age. Get a better device
> or ask your employer to stop trolling you.

On such a device C++ doesn't make sense. You can't use any heap so
most of the standard-library can be omitted, stack is very limited
also if there is any and won't get more maintainability over C.

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#145946

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-09-03 21:53 +0200
Message-ID<qkmgc4$3qs$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#145940
On 03/09/2019 20:03, Bonita Montero wrote:
>>> have a project coming up with 2K flash and 128 byte ram on the device.
> 
>> Such a device sounds fucktarded this day and age. Get a better device
>> or ask your employer to stop trolling you.
> 
> On such a device C++ doesn't make sense. You can't use any heap so
> most of the standard-library can be omitted, stack is very limited
> also if there is any and won't get more maintainability over C.

Usually such devices are programmed in C, and it is likely that I use 
that here.  C++ is a perfectly reasonable choice, however - you don't 
have to use the full standard library in order to use C++ and take 
advantage of the language's features.  I won't be using malloc/free, or 
printf, or any <math.h> functions - that doesn't mean I won't be using 
C.  And I can write the code in C++ even if it doesn't use std::string, 
or vectors, or new.

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#145960

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-04 06:42 +0200
Message-ID<qknfbf$nf3$3@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145946
>> On such a device C++ doesn't make sense. You can't use any heap so
>> most of the standard-library can be omitted, stack is very limited
>> also if there is any and won't get more maintainability over C.

> Usually such devices are programmed in C, and it is likely that I use 
> that here.  C++ is a perfectly reasonable choice, however - you don't 
> have to use the full standard library in order to use C++ and take 
> advantage of the language's features.  I won't be using malloc/free, or 
> printf, or any <math.h> functions - that doesn't mean I won't be using 
> C.  And I can write the code in C++ even if it doesn't use std::string, 
> or vectors, or new.

C++ simply hasn't any significant advantage over C on such tiny
projects.

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#146035

Fromlegalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard)
Date2019-09-05 16:56 +0000
Message-ID<qkreo3$v22$2@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#145960
[Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]

Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> spake the secret code
<qknfbf$nf3$3@news.albasani.net> thusly:

>C++ simply hasn't any significant advantage over C on such tiny
>projects.

Many embedded developers would disagree.  Take a look at Kvasir, for
example.
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#146051

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-06 07:10 +0200
Message-ID<qkspok$1fp$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#146035
>> C++ simply hasn't any significant advantage over C on such tiny
>> projects.

> Many embedded developers would disagree.

 From a nerdish point of view ...

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#146074

FromMy nuts hurt <cdalten@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-06 12:32 -0700
Message-ID<fc4855a2-0d38-4107-a5ed-c0dcaee0fadd@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#146051
On Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 10:10:51 PM UTC-7, Bonita Montero wrote:
> >> C++ simply hasn't any significant advantage over C on such tiny
> >> projects.
> 
> > Many embedded developers would disagree.
> 
>  From a nerdish point of view ...

Prima, this place is sort of nerd central. Perhaps the only places more nerdy are either MIT in the United States or the ETH Zurich in Switzerland.

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#145950

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2019-09-03 20:33 +0000
Message-ID<K6AbF.375484$yU1.303402@fx06.iad>
In reply to#145940
Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> writes:
>>> have a project coming up with 2K flash and 128 byte ram on the device.
>
>> Such a device sounds fucktarded this day and age. Get a better device
>> or ask your employer to stop trolling you.
>
>On such a device C++ doesn't make sense. You can't use any heap so
>most of the standard-library can be omitted, stack is very limited
>also if there is any and won't get more maintainability over C.

Total and complete nonsense.

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#145958

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-04 06:38 +0200
Message-ID<qknf3v$nf3$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145950
>>> Such a device sounds fucktarded this day and age. Get a
>>> better device or ask your employer to stop trolling you.

>> On such a device C++ doesn't make sense. You can't use any heap so
>> most of the standard-library can be omitted, stack is very limited
>> also if there is any and won't get more maintainability over C.

> Total and complete nonsense.

LOL.

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#145952 — Re: "?Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly?: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett"

Fromantispam@math.uni.wroc.pl
Date2019-09-03 22:08 +0000
SubjectRe: "?Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly?: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett"
Message-ID<qkmo9h$dkn$1@z-news.wcss.wroc.pl>
In reply to#145940
In comp.lang.c Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> have a project coming up with 2K flash and 128 byte ram on the device.
> 
> > Such a device sounds fucktarded this day and age. Get a better device
> > or ask your employer to stop trolling you.
> 
> On such a device C++ doesn't make sense. You can't use any heap so
> most of the standard-library can be omitted, stack is very limited
> also if there is any and won't get more maintainability over C.

Look at Arduino.  I will not argue that Arduino make sense.  But
Arduino is used and Arduino uses C++ features.  Quick check shows
that LED blinker example takes 1066 bytes of code.  It uses
9 bytes of static allocated RAM. I did not check RAM use for stack,
but there is good chance that stack + static use will fit in 128
bytes.

Arduino tries to make coding easy at cost of efficiency.  There
are similar approaches getting more efficient and smaller code.
In particular there are examples which are much more complicated
that LED blinker that still fit into 2k code and 128 bytes RAM.

Coming back to C++, with small devices the idea is that you have
largish library of useful utility routines.  Largish in the sense
that whole library is larger than the device.  Writing program
you specialize library to specific purpose.  Classes and templates
allow combinig parts of library in interesting ways.  Inlining
and compiler optimizations allow reasonbly small object code.
Similar approach can be used with plain C, but then one may need
a "program generator" as first step.

-- 
                              Waldek Hebisch

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#145959 — Re: "?Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly?: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett"

FromBonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com>
Date2019-09-04 06:41 +0200
SubjectRe: "?Rust is the future of systems programming, C is the new Assembly?: Intel principal engineer, Josh Triplett"
Message-ID<qknf91$nf3$2@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#145952
> Look at Arduino. I will not argue that Arduino make sense.
> ButArduino is used and Arduino uses C++ features.

This doesn't mean that C++ makes sense here.

> Quick check shows
> that LED blinker example takes 1066 bytes of code.  It uses
> 9 bytes of static allocated RAM. I did not check RAM use for stack,
> but there is good chance that stack + static use will fit in 128
> bytes.

That's a proof for the advantages of C++ on arduino?

> Coming back to C++, with small devices the idea is that you have
> largish library of useful utility routines.  Largish in the sense
> that whole library is larger than the device.  Writing program
> you specialize library to specific purpose.  Classes and templates
> allow combinig parts of library in interesting ways.  Inlining
> and compiler optimizations allow reasonbly small object code.
> Similar approach can be used with plain C, but then one may need
> a "program generator" as first step.

Templates might induce specialized Boat and inlining also should
be better avoided with such a small amount of flash.

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