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  Vacation time "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-27 21:39 -0400
    Re: Vacation time Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-27 20:31 -0600
      Re: Vacation time Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-28 00:00 -0300
        Re: Vacation time Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-27 21:29 -0600
        Re: Vacation time Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2016-07-28 01:58 -0500
          Re: Vacation time Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-28 08:01 +0100
            Re: Vacation time "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-28 16:19 -0500
              Re: Vacation time James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-28 21:23 -0400
                Re: Vacation time James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-29 11:25 -0400
                  Re: Vacation time Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-29 12:36 -0400
                    Re: Vacation time Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-07-29 09:55 -0700
      Re: Vacation time James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-27 23:51 -0400
        Re: Vacation time Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-28 00:51 -0700
        Re: Vacation time Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-28 08:38 -0600
          Re: Vacation time James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-28 14:41 -0400
            Re: Vacation time Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-28 15:33 -0600
              Re: Vacation time BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-28 15:36 -0600
              Re: Vacation time Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-28 17:38 -0400
                Re: Vacation time Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-07-28 15:09 -0700
                Re: Vacation time James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-28 21:41 -0400
              Re: Vacation time James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-28 21:32 -0400
              Re: Vacation time "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-28 23:51 -0500
                Re: Vacation time Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-29 08:32 -0600
            Re: Vacation time Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-07-28 21:06 -0400
              Re: Vacation time BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-29 10:41 +0100
    Re: Vacation time "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-07-27 22:00 -0500
    Re: Vacation time DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-28 15:38 -0400
    Re: Vacation time Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-28 15:56 -0400
    Re: Vacation time DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-28 18:28 -0400
      Re: Vacation time Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-28 18:40 -0400
      Re: Vacation time Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-07-28 15:50 -0700
        Re: Vacation time DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-28 19:15 -0400
          Re: Vacation time Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-07-29 12:32 -0400
            Re: Vacation time Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2016-07-29 10:47 -0600
      Re: Vacation time James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-28 21:47 -0400
        Re: Vacation time DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-29 09:50 -0400

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#91192 — Vacation time

I realize that I have not been very productive lately, so I arguably 
don't deserve a vacation, but I think taking one may help me regain some 
of my lost productivity.
I'd like to take time off for a vacation from 2016-08-18 to 2016-08-25. 
  We're planning to visit my father and sister-in-law in Phoenix, AZ, 
neither of whom have met the twins yet. Because my wife's vacation time 
is constrained by the Montgomery College class schedule, we don't really 
have much freedom to postpone this vacation, so I hope you'll approve 
it. I'll find the official request form tomorrow, and send it in, but I 
thought I shouldn't put off telling you about it any longer.
-- 
James Kuyper
(301) 503-1809

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#91196

"James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:

> I realize that I have not been very productive lately, so I arguably
> don't deserve a vacation, but I think taking one may help me regain
> some of my lost productivity.
> I'd like to take time off for a vacation from 2016-08-18 to
> 2016-08-25. We're planning to visit my father and sister-in-law in
> Phoenix, AZ, neither of whom have met the twins yet. Because my wife's
> vacation time is constrained by the Montgomery College class schedule,
> we don't really have much freedom to postpone this vacation, so I hope
> you'll approve it. I'll find the official request form tomorrow, and
> send it in, but I thought I shouldn't put off telling you about it any
> longer.

Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...

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#91197

On 28/07/2016 03:31, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> I realize that I have not been very productive lately, so I arguably
>> don't deserve a vacation, but I think taking one may help me regain
>> some of my lost productivity.
>> I'd like to take time off for a vacation from 2016-08-18 to
>> 2016-08-25. We're planning to visit my father and sister-in-law in
>> Phoenix, AZ, neither of whom have met the twins yet. Because my wife's
>> vacation time is constrained by the Montgomery College class schedule,
>> we don't really have much freedom to postpone this vacation, so I hope
>> you'll approve it. I'll find the official request form tomorrow, and
>> send it in, but I thought I shouldn't put off telling you about it any
>> longer.
> Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...

But who gave you this authority to grant him this permission?

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#91200

Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> writes:

> On 28/07/2016 03:31, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>>
>>> I realize that I have not been very productive lately, so I arguably
>>> don't deserve a vacation, but I think taking one may help me regain
>>> some of my lost productivity.
>>> I'd like to take time off for a vacation from 2016-08-18 to
>>> 2016-08-25. We're planning to visit my father and sister-in-law in
>>> Phoenix, AZ, neither of whom have met the twins yet. Because my wife's
>>> vacation time is constrained by the Montgomery College class schedule,
>>> we don't really have much freedom to postpone this vacation, so I hope
>>> you'll approve it. I'll find the official request form tomorrow, and
>>> send it in, but I thought I shouldn't put off telling you about it any
>>> longer.
>> Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...
>
> But who gave you this authority to grant him this permission?

Read his post.  He asked me to approve it.  I did.  I'm not sure whether
*every* c.l.c. reader needs to approve it or just one, but I've done
what I could.

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#91208

Real Troll wrote:
> On 28/07/2016 03:31, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>>
>>> I realize that I have not been very productive lately, so I arguably
>>> don't deserve a vacation, but I think taking one may help me regain
>>> some of my lost productivity.
>>> I'd like to take time off for a vacation from 2016-08-18 to
>>> 2016-08-25. We're planning to visit my father and sister-in-law in
>>> Phoenix, AZ, neither of whom have met the twins yet. Because my wife's
>>> vacation time is constrained by the Montgomery College class schedule,
>>> we don't really have much freedom to postpone this vacation, so I hope
>>> you'll approve it. I'll find the official request form tomorrow, and
>>> send it in, but I thought I shouldn't put off telling you about it any
>>> longer.
>> Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...
>
> But who gave you this authority to grant him this permission?
>
>


I did.


-- 
Les Cargill

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#91209

On 28/07/16 07:58, Les Cargill wrote:
> Real Troll wrote:
>> On 28/07/2016 03:31, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
<snip>
>>> Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...
>>
>> But who gave you this authority to grant him this permission?
>
> I did.

Guys, can you knock it off? Anyone can make that mistake. If you have to 
poke fun at James's slip, please at least snip the private content, 
rather than replicating it over and over again for the search engines?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#91278

"Richard Heathfield" <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote in message 
news:nncakc$jg7$1@dont-email.me...
> On 28/07/16 07:58, Les Cargill wrote:
>> Real Troll wrote:
>>> On 28/07/2016 03:31, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...
>>>
>>> But who gave you this authority to grant him this permission?
>>
>> I did.
>
> Guys, can you knock it off? Anyone can make that mistake. If you have to 
> poke fun at James's slip, please at least snip the private content, rather 
> than replicating it over and over again for the search engines?
>

I thought James was making fun of us!!!   I'm sorry that I failed to snip 
the personal info... it didn't occur to me.

-- 

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

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#91295

On 07/28/2016 05:19 PM, Charles Richmond wrote:
...
> I thought James was making fun of us!!!   I'm sorry that I failed to snip 
> the personal info... it didn't occur to me.

I wish I'd thought of passing it off as a joke - but it didn't occur to
me that it could be interpreted that way.

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#91320

On 07/29/2016 06:15 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>> On 07/28/2016 05:19 PM, Charles Richmond wrote:
>>> I thought James was making fun of us!!!   I'm sorry that I failed to snip 
>>> the personal info... it didn't occur to me.
>> I wish I'd thought of passing it off as a joke - but it didn't occur to
>> me that it could be interpreted that way.
> 
>   I am using a different program for NetNews than for e-mail,
>   so the risk of a confusion is reduced.
> 
>   When I send an e-mail, I always write salutations and greetings.
>   Then, before sending out an e-mail, I always routinely compare
>   the name used in the salutation with the name used in the
>   �To:� header line. At the latest at this point, I should take
>   notice of the �To:� header missing, should I ever be in the
>   act of sending an e-mail to the Usenet.

In order to make this particular mistake, I had to ignore no less than
five different pieces of evidence that I was not sending the message
where I intended to:
1. "From:" was my personal e-mail account rather than my work account.
2. There was no "To:"
3. "CC:" was automatically filled in with my personal e-mail address
4. "Newsgroups:" was automatically filled in with "comp.lang.c"
5. The automatically filled-in signature required by my employer was
missing.

I was simply tired enough not to notice any of those except the last
one, and I was too tired to realize what the last one meant. All the
precautions in the world are useless, if you're too tired to remember to
use them.

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#91327

On 7/29/2016 11:25 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
[...]
> In order to make this particular mistake, I had to ignore no less than
> five different pieces of evidence that I was not sending the message
> where I intended to:
> 1. "From:" was my personal e-mail account rather than my work account.
> 2. There was no "To:"
> 3. "CC:" was automatically filled in with my personal e-mail address
> 4. "Newsgroups:" was automatically filled in with "comp.lang.c"
> 5. The automatically filled-in signature required by my employer was
> missing.
>
> I was simply tired enough not to notice any of those except the last
> one, and I was too tired to realize what the last one meant. All the
> precautions in the world are useless, if you're too tired to remember to
> use them.

I'm sure we've all been there.  (I have four kids, but never had the 
"privilege" of having to deal with twins.)

But, if we can't make fun of such a mistake, then why bother with Usenet in 
the first place?  (And it was certainly a nice change of pace from the 
"please do my homework" posts.)

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#91330

Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> writes:
[...]
> But, if we can't make fun of such a mistake, then why bother with Usenet in 
> the first place?

Words fail me.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#91201

On 07/27/2016 10:31 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
...
> Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...

Thank you, and also Real Troll and Charles Richmond - I really needed to
have additional copies of inadvertently publicized private information
spread around, just to make my day complete.

I waited at work for 30 minutes after accidentally posting that message,
delaying some obviously badly needed sleep, waiting for it to show up on
either eternal-september or Google Groups, so I could cancel it as soon
as it showed up - but for some reason it didn't. The cancellations would
have only affected those two archives, but that's better than nothing.

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#91214

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 4:51:49 AM UTC+1, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 07/27/2016 10:31 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> ...
> > Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...
> 
> Thank you, and also Real Troll and Charles Richmond - I really needed to
> have additional copies of inadvertently publicized private information
> spread around, just to make my day complete.
> 
> I waited at work for 30 minutes after accidentally posting that message,
> delaying some obviously badly needed sleep, waiting for it to show up on
> either eternal-september or Google Groups, so I could cancel it as soon
> as it showed up - but for some reason it didn't. The cancellations would
> have only affected those two archives, but that's better than nothing.
>
It's deleted for me.
 
But not the repost. I've reported it to Google for abuse (private or
personal information), so it should be hidden on Google Groups.

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#91235

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:

> On 07/27/2016 10:31 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> ...
>> Well, you have *my* permission to take a vacation...
>
> Thank you, and also Real Troll and Charles Richmond - I really needed to
> have additional copies of inadvertently publicized private information
> spread around, just to make my day complete.
>
> I waited at work for 30 minutes after accidentally posting that message,
> delaying some obviously badly needed sleep, waiting for it to show up on
> either eternal-september or Google Groups, so I could cancel it as soon
> as it showed up - but for some reason it didn't. The cancellations would
> have only affected those two archives, but that's better than nothing.

Once a post gets out, it's all over.  So far as I can determine, almost
no usenet servers honor cancel requests.

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#91263

On 07/28/2016 10:38 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
...
>> I waited at work for 30 minutes after accidentally posting that message,
>> delaying some obviously badly needed sleep, waiting for it to show up on
>> either eternal-september or Google Groups, so I could cancel it as soon
>> as it showed up - but for some reason it didn't. The cancellations would
>> have only affected those two archives, but that's better than nothing.
> 
> Once a post gets out, it's all over.  So far as I can determine, almost
> no usenet servers honor cancel requests.

In my experience, usenet servers honor cancel requests, but only those
that come from their own subscribers. I'm registered with both
eternal-september and Google Groups, and as far as I can tell, both
servers have honored my cancel request - my original message no longer
shows up one either one, only the responses to it.

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#91279

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:

> On 07/28/2016 10:38 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> ...
>>> I waited at work for 30 minutes after accidentally posting that message,
>>> delaying some obviously badly needed sleep, waiting for it to show up on
>>> either eternal-september or Google Groups, so I could cancel it as soon
>>> as it showed up - but for some reason it didn't. The cancellations would
>>> have only affected those two archives, but that's better than nothing.
>> 
>> Once a post gets out, it's all over.  So far as I can determine, almost
>> no usenet servers honor cancel requests.
>
> In my experience, usenet servers honor cancel requests, but only those
> that come from their own subscribers. I'm registered with both
> eternal-september and Google Groups, and as far as I can tell, both
> servers have honored my cancel request - my original message no longer
> shows up one either one, only the responses to it.

First, I apologize for not snipping the personal information -- it
didn't occur to me.  I meant to poke a little fun, and didn't realize it
would be offensive.  Had I realized it, I wouldn't have made the post.

Your original post still appears in my news feed (so far as I know,
it isn't locally cached).  I've now made a couple of tries at canceling
my post, and every try is getting a 441 response, with the message "not
your article" (which is more than I used to get; the last time I tried
cancel an article, years ago, it appeared to take it but the article
didn't disappear).  So far as I can determine I'm sending the
appropriate identification, but it doesn't seem to be recognizing me.
Sorry...

-- 
"Erwin, have you seen the cat?" -- Mrs. Shrödinger

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#91280

On 07/28/2016 03:33 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> On 07/28/2016 10:38 AM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>>> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>> ...
>>>> I waited at work for 30 minutes after accidentally posting that message,
>>>> delaying some obviously badly needed sleep, waiting for it to show up on
>>>> either eternal-september or Google Groups, so I could cancel it as soon
>>>> as it showed up - but for some reason it didn't. The cancellations would
>>>> have only affected those two archives, but that's better than nothing.
>>>
>>> Once a post gets out, it's all over.  So far as I can determine, almost
>>> no usenet servers honor cancel requests.
>>
>> In my experience, usenet servers honor cancel requests, but only those
>> that come from their own subscribers. I'm registered with both
>> eternal-september and Google Groups, and as far as I can tell, both
>> servers have honored my cancel request - my original message no longer
>> shows up one either one, only the responses to it.
>
> First, I apologize for not snipping the personal information -- it
> didn't occur to me.  I meant to poke a little fun, and didn't realize it
> would be offensive.  Had I realized it, I wouldn't have made the post.
>
> Your original post still appears in my news feed (so far as I know,
> it isn't locally cached).  I've now made a couple of tries at canceling
> my post, and every try is getting a 441 response, with the message "not
> your article" (which is more than I used to get; the last time I tried
> cancel an article, years ago, it appeared to take it but the article
> didn't disappear).  So far as I can determine I'm sending the
> appropriate identification, but it doesn't seem to be recognizing me.
> Sorry...
>

FWIW, I'm also on eternalseptember, and the original article in the
thread appears.  I'm sure I'm not the only one to laugh over the OP and
the silly replies without considering privacy issues.

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#91281

On 28/07/2016 22:33, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>
> Your original post still appears in my news feed (so far as I know,
> it isn't locally cached).  I've now made a couple of tries at canceling
> my post, and every try is getting a 441 response,

Don't waste your time cancelling anything because you can't.  Google 
knows everything and forgets nothing so before you post anything, take a 
deep breadth and think before clicking on that "Send" button.  If you 
are under the influence of something then don't go near a computer!  
It's dangerous and you'll come to regret it.

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#91282

Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> writes:
> On 28/07/2016 22:33, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Your original post still appears in my news feed (so far as I know,
>> it isn't locally cached).  I've now made a couple of tries at canceling
>> my post, and every try is getting a 441 response,
>
> Don't waste your time cancelling anything because you can't.  Google 
> knows everything and forgets nothing so before you post anything, take a 
> deep breadth and think before clicking on that "Send" button.  If you 
> are under the influence of something then don't go near a computer!  
> It's dangerous and you'll come to regret it.

James cancelled his original article on Google Groups and
eternal-september, and it was actually deleted from Google Groups.

If you use Google Groups, it's probably worthwhile to (try to)
cancel an article if you need to.  As for eternal-september.org,
contacting the admin *might* be worthwhile.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#91298

On 07/28/2016 05:38 PM, Real Troll wrote:
...
> Don't waste your time cancelling anything because you can't.  Google 
> knows everything and forgets nothing

I've had independent confirmation that Google honored my "delete"
request. The option to delete a message only appears if you're logged in
to Google Groups using an account you've set up with them, and only if
the e-mail address on that account matches the "From:" header on the
message, and the option disappears if you wait too long before trying to
use it (1 day?) - but the option does work, when available.

As for Google "knowing everything": I save my posted messages, and last
time I checked, Google was missing more than 1/3 of them (mostly the
older ones that they should have inherited from Deja News).

> ... so before you post anything, take a 
> deep breadth and think before clicking on that "Send" button.  If you 
> are under the influence of something then don't go near a computer!  

I was "under the influence" of a long day spent trying (and failing) to
meet an important deadline.

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