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What's the purpose of CAlive?

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First post2015-11-02 08:05 -0800
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  What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:05 -0800
    Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-02 16:08 +0000
      Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Jay Braun <lyngwyst@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:18 -0800
        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:00 -0800
    Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:50 -0800
      Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-05 14:36 +0100
        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 05:55 -0800
          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-06 11:57 +0100
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 11:20 +0000
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-06 11:45 +0000
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 12:03 +0000
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-06 13:34 +0000
                    Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 14:35 +0000
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-06 15:43 +0100
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 07:05 -0800
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 15:15 +0000
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-06 08:34 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 00:24 -0800
        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-11-05 21:33 -0700
          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-06 11:54 +0100
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-06 12:01 +0000
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-11-06 14:11 +0100
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:17 +0000
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:24 -0800
        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 14:51 -0800
          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-18 01:18 +0000
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 21:06 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:34 -0800
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2015-11-18 03:36 -0800
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 04:02 -0800
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 06:14 -0800
                    Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 06:18 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:07 +0000
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 11:14 -0800
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 11:27 -0800
      Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 21:57 +0100
        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:06 -0800
          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-05 22:12 +0100
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-05 13:24 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:27 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-06 13:51 +0100
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:25 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-06 14:00 +0100
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 05:14 -0800
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-06 13:33 +0000
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-06 14:14 +0000
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 06:28 -0800
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 06:52 -0800
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-06 08:45 -0800
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-05 15:43 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 15:59 -0800
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 16:11 -0800
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 16:35 -0800
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 16:12 -0800
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-05 20:28 -0800
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 20:40 -0800
                    Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-05 21:02 -0800
                      Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 21:53 -0800
                        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 23:43 -0800
                          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 03:27 -0800
                    Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-07 10:51 +1300
                      Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 14:04 -0800
                      Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-07 13:33 -0800
                        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:00 -0800
                          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-08 11:26 +1300
                            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:33 -0800
                            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 14:45 -0800
                              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:58 -0800
                              [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-08 14:05 +1300
                                Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 00:05 -0800
                                  Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-08 21:44 +1300
                                    Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:22 +0000
                                  Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-08 07:06 -0600
                                    Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 06:02 -0800
                                    Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 07:45 -0800
                                      Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 09:40 -0800
                                        Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 11:32 -0800
                                          Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 11:43 -0800
                                            Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-08 21:14 +0100
                            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-07 15:07 -0800
                              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 15:14 -0800
                                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:27 +0000
                                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:35 -0800
                                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-10 09:05 -0800
                              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-07 23:18 +0000
                            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:20 +0000
                              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:28 -0800
                        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-07 23:20 +0000
                          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 15:41 -0800
                            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-07 16:13 -0800
                              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 16:20 -0800
                              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 16:27 -0800
                                Bartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-08 01:25 +0000
                                  Re: Bartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 17:54 -0800
                          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 16:01 -0800
                            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 16:05 -0800
                          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-07 16:08 -0800
                        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-11-08 09:59 +0800
                  Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-06 10:50 +0000
                    Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-06 10:54 +0000
                      Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 00:37 -0800
                        Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-07 10:00 +0000
          Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 15:01 +0100
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 08:12 -0600
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 19:29 +0100
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 09:33 +0100
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 01:47 -0800
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 06:20 -0800
            Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-06 16:24 +0000
              Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 19:41 +0100
                Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:31 +0000

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#75308

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-07 15:14 -0800
Message-ID<19c464f0-89c1-4fa3-916c-26c905583928@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75307
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-5, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
> > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [...]
> > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of 
> > dollars such a project would require.
> 
> Ian, please don't feed the troll (or whatever he is).

Keith, I am a prayerful servant of Jesus Christ.  I pray you come to
know Him as Lord and Savior.  I would like to see you in Heaven.

First.  Jesus first in each of our lives:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbWQV3OiRqA&index=22&list=PL4QXN2CVPii7zbX3SmNkyaZcomT2Jj1-8

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75596

Fromraltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos)
Date2015-11-10 16:27 +0000
Message-ID<56421a8d.6098015@news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#75308
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-5, Keith Thompson wrote:
> > Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > [...]
> > > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of 
> > > dollars such a project would require.
> > 
> > Ian, please don't feed the troll (or whatever he is).
> 
> Keith, I am a prayerful servant of Jesus Christ.

No, you're not. You're a hateful servant of the Separator.

> I would like to see you in Heaven.

First, try to get there. Preaching isn't the solution; taking thy
neighbour seriously _as a human being_ rather than as a target for
sermons, is.

Richard

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#75601

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-10 08:35 -0800
Message-ID<dd3ff460-1476-488f-987e-3d0616a25f3e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75596
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 11:28:33 AM UTC-5, Richard Bos wrote:
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-5, Keith Thompson wrote:
> > > Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
> > > > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of 
> > > > dollars such a project would require.
> > > 
> > > Ian, please don't feed the troll (or whatever he is).
> > 
> > Keith, I am a prayerful servant of Jesus Christ.
> 
> No, you're not. You're a hateful servant of the Separator.
> 
> > I would like to see you in Heaven.
> 
> First, try to get there. Preaching isn't the solution; taking thy
> neighbour seriously _as a human being_ rather than as a target for
> sermons, is.
> 
> Richard

The only way one can take their neighbor seriously, as a human being,
is to recognize that they are no merely flesh, but they are comprised
also of an eternal soul, and a spirit.  And then from within that full
realization, the one which is provided to a person only by the guidance
and teaching of God's Holy Spirit, can that person proceed rightly in
knowing how to help his neighbor.

It is from that place I proceed, Richard, which is why you cannot see
any value or help in my offering ... because you are spiritually blind,
and are under the full delusion provide for by the enemy, the one that
would keep the person in a burning building from receiving rescue
ladder reaching up to their third story window.  Instead of receiving
that which they need, help and evacuation from the burning building,
they pull out a rifle and start shooting at the firefighters who are
there to save them, believing in their mind they'll be fine, only to
find out at some point soon after that they are going to die, and now
there is no hope for them.

Christians who profess the path of Jesus Christ, of coming to Him in
repentance, and in asking Him for forgiveness for their sin, are those
firefighters.  We are reaching out to all people in the burning
buildings.  We teach the way of truth, the way of safety.  And for all
who will hear the truth in our call, the same will come to the window,
board the ladder, and be saved.  The rest will not.  They will close
the window, seal up the curtains, go to their favorite couch, and wait
to be burned alive.

I pray you open your eyes, Richard, and seek the truth.  You are on a
path right now that will end in your eternal destruction in Hell.
Unless you open your eyes and seek the truth, you will come to perilous
and undesirable ends.

I pray that you do seek the truth, and do come to Jesus Christ repenting
and asking forgiveness, because I would like to see you in Heaven.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75619

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2015-11-10 09:05 -0800
Message-ID<ln8u65vl7m.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
In reply to#75596
raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) writes:
> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 6:07:52 PM UTC-5, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> > Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
>> > > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of 
>> > > dollars such a project would require.
>> > 
>> > Ian, please don't feed the troll (or whatever he is).
>> 
>> Keith, I am a prayerful servant of Jesus Christ.
>
> No, you're not. You're a hateful servant of the Separator.

Richard.  Stop.  Feeding.  The.  Troll.

Or perhaps more accurately, stop *being* a troll.  If you want to
debate religion with Rick, do it elsewhere.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#75309

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2015-11-07 23:18 +0000
Message-ID<n1m0sm$glh$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#75307
In article <ln37wh1k8v.fsf@kst-u.example.com>,
Keith Thompson  <kst-u@mib.org> wrote:
>Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>[...]
>> You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of 
>> dollars such a project would require.
>
>Ian, please don't feed the troll (or whatever he is).

Keith, give it up.

Rick has destroyed this newsgroup, just as surely as Donald Trump has
destroyed the Republican Party.  And using pretty much the same techniques
in both cases.  It really is a thing of beauty (in both cases).

-- 
> No, I haven't, that's why I'm asking questions. If you won't help me,
> why don't you just go find your lost manhood elsewhere.

CLC in a nutshell.

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#75593

Fromraltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos)
Date2015-11-10 16:20 +0000
Message-ID<56421901.5702218@news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#75303
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote:

> You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?)

If you read the Bible in the actual, original grammar, you'd be
surprised. Rick, of course, would scoff, as he does at everything which
isn't his personal mis-translation.

Richard

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#75597

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-10 08:28 -0800
Message-ID<38a5b827-d5f2-4272-a42a-4dfdd94956a7@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75593
On Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 11:20:29 AM UTC-5, Richard Bos wrote:
> Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?)
> 
> If you read the Bible in the actual, original grammar, you'd be
> surprised. Rick, of course, would scoff, as he does at everything which
> isn't his personal mis-translation.
> 
> Richard

The Bible conveys a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  The church is the bride
of Christ in eternity, which is why we have the pattern of marriage here
upon the Earth.  He is our Bridegroom.

Those who are redeemed from the enemy's lies and clutches, who seek the
truth and are saved by coming to Jesus Christ for forgiveness, will be
married to Him in eternity, in the same way that marriages here on Earth
take place ... namely that all she possesses become his, and all he
possesses become hers, because they are joined together and are one.

The story of Jesus Christ is NOT what the enemy has taught.  It is that
which the Holy Spirit has taught through men.  And if you will seek
after the truth with your whole heart, then you too will find it.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75310

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2015-11-07 23:20 +0000
Message-ID<n1m0vt$glh$2@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#75294
In article <MPG.30a80df07f6f0fe38d@news.eternal-september.org>,
Philip Lantz  <prl@canterey.us> wrote:
...
>Many, probably most, of the people who designed and built the
>microprocessor you are using are not Christian. It was probably designed
>in Israel.

Is that really true?  Do you have a reference for it?
(Not that I am doubting you; I am genuinely curious)

But, anyway, it don't bother him none; he intends to start with sand and
build it all from there.

-- 
The last time a Republican cared about you, you were a fetus.

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#75311

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-07 15:41 -0800
Message-ID<fb57334d-2945-4954-8b68-5f8b0b25bd75@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75310
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 6:20:36 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> [snip]
> ...he intends to start with sand and
> build it all from there.

I intend to start with a firm faith in Jesus Christ, and then proceed
to discussion with like fellows, which lead to ideas and thought, all
of which are held before Him in how to proceed.

Personally, I believe a sapphire-based solution is the way to go,
possibly silicon-on-sapphire, but possibly something else.  When
God walked upon the Earth in the Old Testament, where His feet
touched the ground, it was changed into sapphire:

    http://biblehub.com/exodus/24-10.htm
    "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet
     as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were
     the body of heaven in his clearness."

The vision Ezekiel had when he saw the throne above the awesome
sea of crystal, there was a throne, and it looked like sapphire:

    http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/1-26.htm
    "And above the firmament that was over their heads was the
     likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone:
     and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the
     appearance of a man above upon it."

Peregrine Semiconductor has already demonstrated the benefits of
silicon-on-sapphire:

    Ron Reedy of Peregrine gives a laymen's talk on the technology:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1donjejh_U8

I've also had the thought that the third temple, described in much
greater detail in scripture than the other two temples, may relate
to a circuit.  It describes, for example, windows of narrowing
thickness, with other components which were palm trees:

    http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/40-16.htm
    "And there were narrow windows to the little chambers, and to
     their posts within the gate round about, and likewise to the
     arches: and windows were round about inward: and upon each post
     were palm trees."

This described structure is massive, and some have made 3D renderings
of it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNmERZkT6JM

At 2:48 it shows 30 dining rooms.  It does not include the back
fourth wall, but if it did there would be 40 dining rooms, and
I had the vision back in 2014 which later led me to pursue my
40-bit extension LibSF 386-x40 CPU design.

If you look closely, and consider things from this perspective,
you can also see there are parts around it which look like
semiconductor structures:

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/image/1951321
    http://www.intechopen.com/source/html/44512/media/image2.png

It just occurred to me one day while watching that YouTube video.
I thought how much the entire temple layout looked like a
semiconductor circuit.

However, I could be completely wrong in that thinking.  And I
would be content to be wrong about it.  It just struck me.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75315

FromPhilip Lantz <prl@canterey.us>
Date2015-11-07 16:13 -0800
Message-ID<MPG.30a8337d1e1053bf91@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#75311
Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > ...he intends to start with sand and
> > build it all from there.
> 
> I intend to start with a firm faith in Jesus Christ, and then proceed
> to discussion with like fellows ...

Then why are you /here/? :-)

> Personally, I believe a sapphire-based solution is the way to go,
> possibly silicon-on-sapphire, but possibly something else.  When
> God walked upon the Earth in the Old Testament, where His feet
> touched the ground, it was changed into sapphire:
> 
>     http://biblehub.com/exodus/24-10.htm
>     "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet
>      as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were
>      the body of heaven in his clearness."

That probably meant Lapis lazuli, which is probably completely
unsuitable for silicon-on-sapphire. An interesting connection,
though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire

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#75316

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-07 16:20 -0800
Message-ID<3fd5f354-52df-4705-a781-afeca945785e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75315
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 7:13:41 PM UTC-5, Philip Lantz wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > > ...he intends to start with sand and
> > > build it all from there.
> > 
> > I intend to start with a firm faith in Jesus Christ, and then proceed
> > to discussion with like fellows ...
> 
> Then why are you /here/? :-)
> 
> > Personally, I believe a sapphire-based solution is the way to go,
> > possibly silicon-on-sapphire, but possibly something else.  When
> > God walked upon the Earth in the Old Testament, where His feet
> > touched the ground, it was changed into sapphire:
> > 
> >     http://biblehub.com/exodus/24-10.htm
> >     "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet
> >      as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were
> >      the body of heaven in his clearness."
> 
> That probably meant Lapis lazuli, which is probably completely
> unsuitable for silicon-on-sapphire. An interesting connection,
> though.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire

The fact that it was pure and crystal clear makes me think it wasn't
Lapis lazuli.  I think that's why the King James translators also used
that word, and also why the NIV translators used Lapis lazuli (because
there are many things in the NIV which literally reverse the prior
translations, even taking crucial verses completely out, changing
fundamentally the meaning / teaching).

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75319

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-07 16:27 -0800
Message-ID<c168f8b9-4f97-4896-afa1-e20324bc9f3c@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75315
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 7:13:41 PM UTC-5, Philip Lantz wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > > ...he intends to start with sand and
> > > build it all from there.
> > 
> > I intend to start with a firm faith in Jesus Christ, and then proceed
> > to discussion with like fellows ...
> 
> Then why are you /here/? :-)

I didn't see this in my first reply.

I am on comp.arch because that's where semiconductor architects are.  I
post about these things waiting for the one(s) who will come forward and
say, "I have the technical expertise" or "I have the capital" and then,
"Let's do it."

Until then, it is the area where such discussions take place.

I have expertise in software, so I am here on comp.lang.c talking about
software because I program in Visual FoxPro and C (using a C++ compiler)
for about 99% of all of my programming.

I am using the expertise I have, where I have it, yet doing it for the
Lord, which is His call upon our life (whatever situation we were in
when we came to faith in, remain there).  I was 34 before I became a
believer, and I had a many-year established software history, which is
the reason why I have been content to continue developing in/on Windows
and Linux during this time as I write my own products, because the Lord
called me from that place knowing my great desire to write alternatives,
and having been doing so for years in DOS and Windows.

    http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/7-20.htm
    "Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called."

God receives people where they are.  He leads them out of sin and
toward holiness, but if their vocation is not something like stripping,
prostitution, a bar tender, a thief, etc., then you can remain where
you were ... just now do it for Him.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75328 — Bartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?)

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2015-11-08 01:25 +0000
SubjectBartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?)
Message-ID<n1m8at$l6f$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#75319
In article <c168f8b9-4f97-4896-afa1-e20324bc9f3c@googlegroups.com>,
Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
...
>God receives people where they are.  He leads them out of sin and
>toward holiness, but if their vocation is not something like stripping,
>prostitution, a bar tender, a thief, etc., then you can remain where
>you were ... just now do it for Him.

Note the subtle slam against bartenders...

The Donald would be proud.

-- 
"Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS
crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in
TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in
bonuses, and paid no taxes? Yeah, me neither."

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#75331 — Re: Bartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?)

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-07 17:54 -0800
SubjectRe: Bartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?)
Message-ID<b69d47a4-78a4-4047-8942-9db4de4d1df3@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75328
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 8:26:02 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <c168f8b9-4f97-4896-afa1-e20324bc9f3c@googlegroups.com>,
> Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> >God receives people where they are.  He leads them out of sin and
> >toward holiness, but if their vocation is not something like stripping,
> >prostitution, a bar tender, a thief, etc., then you can remain where
> >you were ... just now do it for Him.
> 
> Note the subtle slam against bartenders...

It's not bartenders as much as it is the people they would be catering
to in their job, being the "hand" that perpetuated their addiction,
their behavior toward excess.

Once a person is born again, for example, it would be impossible to
continue to contribute to someone engaged in that type of sin, but
rather it would be theirs to witness to that person, leading them
to Jesus Christ, to healing, to salvation, and not to another drink.

And there are legitimate professions which would also be difficult
to persist in.

I have a welding background, for example.  I grew up in a town where
my father owned a welding shop.  I was involved with welding up until
my late 20s on a regular basis.  A certified professional welder for
years even, but I doubt I could be that type of welder any longer
because the people I worked with were vulgar, obscene, using nonstop
profanity, making derogatory jokes that even back in the day I often
found to be over the top, but not all of them.

I actually found a video I had made back in the late 90s the other
day.  I popped it in my VHS-C to VHC tape converter, and played it
on our TV, remembering it fondly because it was part of a project a
co-worker of mine was working on in the welding shop after hours.
He had bought a 1970 fastback Mustang and was restoring it, and I
had gone around getting video, talking to people, etc.

On the radio was a local alternative station.  The music that station
played was full of worldliness and worldly lyrics which I was shocked
to hear in that way as I used to like that music.  Profanity was there,
rude jokes, all kinds of stuff.  I couldn't even watch it with the
sound on.  I had to turn the sound off and just look around at the
welding shop and remember it that way.

That experience really brought into my mind how much the Lord has
changed me.  I still wrestle with things everyday, and am told by a
great many Christians who have been holy-seeking Christians for
decades that it will be that way until He calls us Home.  Still, it
was quite a shock to see myself in that video, using profanity,
participating in rude humor and what not, because it's so much not
a thing in my life today.

In 2012 when my mother had died, I had 40 days before I was hired on
at my new job after her death.  I went to work with my father for a
couple weeks at the place he works now.  He sold his welding shop
back in 2002 I believe, and has worked for one of his major customers
when he had the shop since that time.  When I went there I worked
mostly with welding and really enjoyed it.  But, there were about
eight other employees there apart from my father, and they used
profanity and were crass and what not.  It was quite a thing to see
then also in that light being as I haven't really been around those
folks I used to be around all the time like that on a day-in/day-out
basis for years.  The general atmosphere of the work environment was
like that from the VHC-C video I had found.

Holiness is an active pursuit in a Christian's life.  It draws us
nearer to God (as He is Holy, Holy, Holy).  It has us in pursuit of
His Holy Spirit instead of our flesh, which is the walk we're
supposed to be on.  And the process of shedding our natural tendencies
toward those former behaviors in our lives is called sanctification.
It is a long and slow process as conviction is poured out, but it is
one that is ever ongoing, and ever increasing.

In any event, it was very eye-opening to see myself in what would've
been my completely familiar old style of behavior and mannerisms.
It was really something to see how much the Lord has changed me, even
though when I self-examine myself I consistently come up short with
what I desire to do in my heart, also something those holy-seeking
Christians I mentioned said would happen until the day I'm called Home.

-----
A Christian's life is changed from the inside-out by God.  It is a
total rewiring from top to bottom, back to front, side to side.  The
old passes away, and the new is here.  The born again Christian is
never the same again.

This is my testimony, and this is my experience.  And there are many
more such testimonies I've seen, and come across regularly.  Jesus
Christ really is that powerful in a person's life.  He changes
everything.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75312

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>
Date2015-11-07 16:01 -0800
Message-ID<bda23206-8ba0-40e2-bbb2-a55901184e73@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75310
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 11:20:36 PM UTC, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> In article <MPG.30a80df07f6f0fe38d@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Philip Lantz  <prl@canterey.us> wrote:
> ...
> >Many, probably most, of the people who designed and built 
> >the microprocessor you are using are not Christian. It was 
> >probably designed in Israel.
> 
> Is that really true?  Do you have a reference for it?
> (Not that I am doubting you; I am genuinely curious)
>
Israel has a flourishing semi-conductor design industry,
and Intel has an office there. However whilst I don't know
the exact proportion of work, I doubt that Intel has put
itself in the position where it relies on the Israeli office
to be able to design processors at all. 

Most of the Israeli employees will of course be non-Christians.
But that's also likely to be true of the American employees,
depending how you define it.

Britain also has a large micro-processor design industry, based
in Cambridge.

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#75313

From"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com>
Date2015-11-07 16:05 -0800
Message-ID<e0adcb4a-eff6-4a96-9e30-70d5c9517ccb@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#75312
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 7:01:43 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 11:20:36 PM UTC, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> > In article <MPG.30a80df07f6f0fe38d@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Philip Lantz  <prl@canterey.us> wrote:
> > ...
> > >Many, probably most, of the people who designed and built 
> > >the microprocessor you are using are not Christian. It was 
> > >probably designed in Israel.
> > 
> > Is that really true?  Do you have a reference for it?
> > (Not that I am doubting you; I am genuinely curious)
> >
> Israel has a flourishing semi-conductor design industry,
> and Intel has an office there. However whilst I don't know
> the exact proportion of work, I doubt that Intel has put
> itself in the position where it relies on the Israeli office
> to be able to design processors at all. 
> 
> Most of the Israeli employees will of course be non-Christians.
> But that's also likely to be true of the American employees,
> depending how you define it.
> 
> Britain also has a large micro-processor design industry, based
> in Cambridge.

Just to be clear, I am not shunning non-Christians.  They are
part of continuous outreach.  I walk out into the world and
encounter all manner of non-Christian behavior.  However, in
my life, and in the things I do, I lift them to the Lord, and
I encourage and teach those around me to do the same, for those
ends are profitable, and desirable, in our walk here upon this
Earth.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#75314

FromPhilip Lantz <prl@canterey.us>
Date2015-11-07 16:08 -0800
Message-ID<MPG.30a83253f956e46190@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#75310
Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Philip Lantz  wrote:
> >Many, probably most, of the people who designed and built the
> >microprocessor you are using are not Christian. It was probably
> >designed in Israel.
> 
> Is that really true?  Do you have a reference for it?
> (Not that I am doubting you; I am genuinely curious)

Just based on market share, he is "probably" using an Intel
microprocessor, though of course I don't know that. As I understand
it, about half of Intel processors were designed in Israel until
a few years ago, and all of them are now, so slightly better
than 50-50 that a current system with an Intel processor contains
a processor designed in Israel. For instance, Sandy Bridge, Ivy
Bridge, and Skylake were all designed in Israel. I think Haswell
was designed in Oregon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)

> But, anyway, it don't bother him none; he intends to start with sand and
> build it all from there.

Yeah, I hadn't read that part until after my response.

Disclaimer: I work for Intel, but none of the above has anything
to do with my work and is not in any way a statement of Intel's
knowledge or position on anything.

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#75332

FromReinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com>
Date2015-11-08 09:59 +0800
Message-ID<n1ma6f$lk4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#75294
Philip Lantz wrote:

> Ian Collins wrote:
>> 
>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> > Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> >>> Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> llc-win also has the merit of being actually implemented. It's a
>> >>>> released compiler that you can use for serious development.
>> >>>
>> >>> Excellent.  Thank you, Malcom.  I appreciate the assistance.
>> >>>
>> >> It's got garbage collection.
>> >> So you can have garbage collection in C Alive for free, if you use
>> >> llc-win. That might help you get something up and running.
>> >
>> > My goals are to create an offering for the Lord, one which is founded
>> > upon Him and the skills and talents He first gave me, as an offering
>> > given back to Him, and then also to mankind.
>> >
>> > To my knowledge, Jacob Navia is not a Christian.  As such, I could
>> > not use any of his work to build the product I'm in pursuit of because
>> > the thing I'm building is not just a tool.
>> 
>> Was the bloke who invented the wheel a Christian?
> 
> Many, probably most, of the people who designed and built the
> microprocessor you are using are not Christian. It was probably designed
> in Israel.

Probably designed in Israel, manufactured in Taiwan and packaged in 
Thailand.

-- 
Reinhardt

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#75061

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2015-11-06 10:50 +0000
Message-ID<87twozxuym.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#75045
Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:

> On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 12:14:01 AM UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:43:51 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> 
>> > llc-win also has the merit of being actually implemented. It's a 
>> > released compiler that you can use for serious development.
>> 
>> Excellent.  Thank you, Malcom.  I appreciate the assistance.
>> 
> It's got garbage collection.
> So you can have garbage collection in C Alive for free, if you use
> llc-win.

Jacob uses the Boehm garbage collector.  I works with lots of compilers
and on lots of systems.

http://www.hboehm.info/gc

-- 
Ben.

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#75062

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2015-11-06 10:54 +0000
Message-ID<n1i0t5$5tj$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#75061
In article <87twozxuym.fsf@bsb.me.uk>,
Ben Bacarisse  <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
>Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
>
>> On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 12:14:01 AM UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:43:51 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>>> 
>>> > llc-win also has the merit of being actually implemented. It's a 
>>> > released compiler that you can use for serious development.
>>> 
>>> Excellent.  Thank you, Malcom.  I appreciate the assistance.
>>> 
>> It's got garbage collection.
>> So you can have garbage collection in C Alive for free, if you use
>> llc-win.
>
>Jacob uses the Boehm garbage collector.  I works with lots of compilers
>and on lots of systems.

That hardly matters, given that Jacob is not a Christian.

Do we know at this point whether or not Hans Boehm is a Christian?

-- 
> No, I haven't, that's why I'm asking questions. If you won't help me,
> why don't you just go find your lost manhood elsewhere.

CLC in a nutshell.

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