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  Re: FREE TRAINING (C++ for C programmers, also learn C) hafizrameezansari@gmail.com - 2016-11-14 20:44 -0800
    Re: FREE TRAINING (C++ for C programmers, also learn C) Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-15 11:59 -0500
      Re: FREE TRAINING (C++ for C programmers, also learn C) "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 01:12 +0800
    Re: FREE TRAINING (C++ for C programmers, also learn C) "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-15 12:56 -0500
      Re: FREE TRAINING (C++ for C programmers, also learn C) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-15 11:24 -0800
        Re: "an article from 1997." "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 11:21 +0800
          Re: "an article from 1997." jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-11-15 19:31 -0800
            Re: "an article from 1997." "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 11:49 +0800
              Re: "an article from 1997." jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-11-15 20:38 -0800
                Re: "an article from 1997." luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-15 21:06 -0800
                  Re: "an article from 1997." "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 18:27 +0800
                Re: "an article from 1997." "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 18:23 +0800
              Re: "an article from 1997." Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-16 09:52 +0000
                Re: ":)" "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-16 18:25 +0800
                  Re: ":)" Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-16 15:32 +0000
                    Re: ":)" "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 22:09 +0800

#96587 — Re: FREE TRAINING (C++ for C programmers, also learn C)

On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, DigitalThink wrote:
> DigitalThink, an innovative leader in Web-based training, is looking for
> individuals to beta test its online training courses. Do you want to
> learn more about the following topics for free?
> 
> Java, C++, Web Programming, C, Object Oriented Programming, Java Beans,
> Visual Cafe, Pagemaker, Photoshop, Active X, NT Administration, SQL,
> Visual Basic, Web Design, Java Script, etc.
> 
> If so, here's your chance.  We are looking for Beta testers for these
> courses.  What you get is free access to a course and free training by
> an expert in the field, with interactive examples, quizzes, exercises,
> chat, threaded discussions. etc., all delivered via the Web.  You could
> receive $1,000's of dollars of free training by participating in this
> program!
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> LIST OF FREE BETA TECHNICAL TRAINING
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> CS110 Introduction to C++
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Thursday September 25, 1997.
> PREREQUISITES
> This course is intended for experienced C programmers who want an
> introduction to C++. Previous experience in object-oriented programming
> is helpful, but NOT required. This course requires that the student has
> access to a C++ compiler.
> 
> 
> CS109 INTRODUCTION TO JAVA BEANS
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Thursday October 2, 1997
> PREREQUISITES
> The Introduction to JavaBeans course provides moderately experienced
> Java programmers with a thorough and practical understanding of the
> JavaBeans software component technology. In the Introduction to
> JavaBeans course you will find out how JavaBeans relates to Java, learn
> about the various aspects of JavaBeans that make it so powerful, install
> and use Sun's Bean Development Kit, and learn how to design and build
> JavaBeans components of your own. Since JavaBeans components are written
> in Java code and rely  heavily on features and facilities in the Java
> programming language and  APIs, you must have a working knowledge of
> Java and its core APIs. You  should be comfortable with writing and
> compiling Java programs using a text editor and a Java compiler such as
> the compiler that comes with the  Java Development Kit (JDK).
> 
> 
> MM109 Skill Builder Photoshop 4.0  For Web Graphics
> The beta is scheduled to on Monday October 6, 1997.
> PREREQUISITES
> This is a very short introductory course covering the use of Photoshop
> Version 4.0 to create Web graphics. It is only a primer course, so
> appropriate students would include beginning Photoshop 4.0 users. Some
> working knowledge of Photoshop 4.0 and the Web is suggested. This course
> is intended for anyone interested in learning how to use Photoshop's
> 4.0  features to create Web-appropriate graphics. It is NOT a design
> course, so students should not expect to learn how to create "hot"
> graphics. You can complete this course using either a Mac or PC.
> Software is not provided. You will need a copy of Photoshop 4.0. Adobe
> has a free Photoshop 4.0 tryout version that includes the same core
> features as the retail version of  Photoshop 4.0. However, the tryout
> version includes only a small sampling of plug-in filters and you won't
> be able to save or print your work. This will allow you to complete most
> (but not all) of the course. The tryout version of Photoshop is
> available at  http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/photoshop/demoreg.html
> This is a very short course requiring only 5 to 8 hours to complete.
> 
> 
> CS 210 OOP with C++
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Friday October 10,  1997.
> PREREQUISITES
> This course is for experienced C programmers who are already familiar
> with the basic syntax of C++, particularly function prototypes, arrays,
> pointers, and structures, but who are not familiar or comfortable with
> the object-oriented programming aspects of C++.  If you completed CS110,
> you should meet all prerequisites for this course. The course does not
> assume any previous knowledge of object-oriented programming techniques,
> but does assume a familiarity with the use of memory management (the new
> and delete operators).  This course requires that the student has access
> to a C++ compiler.
> 
> 
> CS111: INTRODUCTION TO C PROGRAMMING
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Monday October 13, 1997
> PREREQUISITES
> This course is designed for beginning programming students with minimal
> programming experience who already have a basic understanding of what
> software programming is and what compiling software means. An ANSI C
> compiler is required for taking this course. Because there are many
> different C compilers, this course does not teach you how to use a
> compiler and assumes the student has a compiler and is familiar with
> using it. This is the first of a three part series. This is an excellent
> opportunity to beta test the entire series over the next two months and
> to learn C.
> 
> 
> MM108 Introduction To Pagemaker 6.5
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Monday October 20,1997
> PREREQUISITES
> This course is designed for beginning PageMaker users with no prior
> experience. You must already own or have access to PageMaker 6.5, the
> most recent version. This is a short ten hour course for the Macintosh
> and PC platforms.
> 
> 
> IN105 Blueprint For Success - Planing A Web Site
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Thursday October 30, 1997
> PREREQUISITES
> This course offers corporate professionals and/or interested individuals
> a survey of the practices and procedures for planning and creating Web
> sites. It provides the theoretical and practical foundations necessary
> for students to be able to describe, organize, and map their site using
> good user interface design
> principles. The course does not teach students how to do HTML, or write
> javascript--rather, it focuses
> upon what these are, how they can be produced, how to plan for that
> production. In the course's final project, students produce a detailed
> specification that summarizes the purpose, organization, and resources
> necessary to produce their site. There are NO prerequisites, and NO
> required texts. This course has between 4 to 5 modules and should take
> only 8 to 10 hours of time to complete.
> 
> 
> IN107 Introduction To JavaScript
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Friday October 31, 1997
> PREREQUISITES
> Students must be well versed in HTML. No previous programming or
> knowledge of Java or JavaScript  is necessary. This is a beginners
> class. There are NO prerequisites. Exposure to "scripting" in general
> would be helpful.
> 
> 
> CS 211 Pointers and Arrays in C
> This beta is  scheduled to start on Monday November 3,1997
> PREREQUISITES
> This course is designed for beginning C programmers who are familiar
> with the basic syntax of the language, simple input and output,
> statements and control flow, and writing basic functions. No knowledge
> of pointers or arrays is assumed. If you completed CS111, you should
> meet all prerequisites for this course. An ANSI C compiler is required
> for taking this course. This is the second of a three part series. This
> is an excellent opportunity to beta test the entire series over the next
> two months and to learn C.
> 
> DISCOUNTS, PLUS WIN $100 AND FREE TRAINING!
> Each Beta Tester who completes both a beta course and questionnaire will
> receive a 10% discount on additional training from our catalog. We will
> also select three Beta Testers who have provided exceptional feedback to
> receive the following incentive awards;
> 
> TOP PRIZE -  $ 100 AND A FREE COURSE !
> SECOND    -   $   50 AND A 75% Discount For A Future Course
> THIRD        -  $    25 AND A 50% Discount For A Future Course
> 
> 
> To sign up for a beta, contact us by mail, and indicate that you have
> reviewed the prerequisites. We will respond with a short acknowledgment.
> 
> The first time you contact us, we will add you to our beta testing
> candidate database. You will then receive announcements and information
> about future beta testing opportunities. New beta testers also receive a
> copy of the "DigitalThink Beta Testing Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)"
> document.
> 
> 
> Quality Assurance Manager
> paulw@digitalthink.com
> http://www.digitalthink.com
> DigitalThink
> 1000 Brannan St. Suite 501
> San Francisco, CA 94103

how it is possible for free programming can any one help me thanks 

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#96609

On 11/14/2016 11:44 PM, hafizrameezansari@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> how it is possible for free programming can any one help me thanks 
> 

Why should anyone work for you for free?  Programmers need to eat, also.

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#96612

On 16/11/2016 12:59 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 11/14/2016 11:44 PM, hafizrameezansari@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> how it is possible for free programming can any one help me thanks
>
> Why should anyone work for you for free?  Programmers need to eat, also.

Rich people like Mr. Buffet? Called charity *business*? :)

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#96619

On 11/14/2016 11:44 PM, hafizrameezansari@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, DigitalThink wrote:
>> DigitalThink, an innovative leader in Web-based training, is looking for
>> individuals to beta test its online training courses. Do you want to
>> learn more about the following topics for free?
...
> how it is possible for free programming can any one help me thanks

It's not free programming, it's free training. The training is free 
because it's a beta test of their training system. In return for coping 
with a system that needs improvement, and providing feedback that will 
help them improve it, they're giving you access to that system without 
charging for it, and discounts on further training (they're trying to 
get you hooked on their system).

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#96630

"James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> On 11/14/2016 11:44 PM, hafizrameezansari@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, DigitalThink wrote:
>>> DigitalThink, an innovative leader in Web-based training, is looking for
>>> individuals to beta test its online training courses. Do you want to
>>> learn more about the following topics for free?
> ...
>> how it is possible for free programming can any one help me thanks
>
> It's not free programming, it's free training. The training is free 
> because it's a beta test of their training system. In return for coping 
> with a system that needs improvement, and providing feedback that will 
> help them improve it, they're giving you access to that system without 
> charging for it, and discounts on further training (they're trying to 
> get you hooked on their system).

hafizrameezansari was replying to an article from 1997.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#96670 — Re: "an article from 1997."

On 16/11/2016 3:24 AM, Keith Thompson wrote:
>
> hafizrameezansari was replying to an article from 1997.
>

Time traveler? Or Usenet really is archiving that many messages?

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#96671 — Re: "an article from 1997."

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 10:21:29 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 16/11/2016 3:24 AM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> >
> > hafizrameezansari was replying to an article from 1997.
> >
> 
> Time traveler? Or Usenet really is archiving that many messages?

Usenet doesn't archive anything. Particular usenet news servers each have their own retention policies. Deja News established one of the most comprehensive archives of usenet articles, and provided a pretty decent search engine. Google Groups took over Deja News, and still maintains one of the most comprehensive archives - it goes back several decades. However, their search abilities have become steadily less useful.

hafizrameezansari posted his message from Google Groups.

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#96673 — Re: "an article from 1997."

On 16/11/2016 11:31 AM, jameskuyper@verizon.net wrote:
>
> Usenet doesn't archive anything. Particular usenet news servers each have their own retention policies. Deja News established one of the most comprehensive archives of usenet articles, and provided a pretty decent search engine. Google Groups took over Deja News, and still maintains one of the most comprehensive archives - it goes back several decades. However, their search abilities have become steadily less useful.

Is it possible to find the *VERY FIRST MESSAGE* posted in comp.lang.c, 
Master? :)

> hafizrameezansari posted his message from Google Groups.

Google Search is definitely more intelligent than the search "engine" in 
Netscape if not Thunderbird. :)

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#96674 — Re: "an article from 1997."

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 10:49:08 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 16/11/2016 11:31 AM, jameskuyper@verizon.net wrote:
> >
> > Usenet doesn't archive anything. Particular usenet news servers each have\
> > their own retention policies. Deja News established one of the most
> > comprehensive archives of usenet articles, and provided a pretty decent
> > search engine. Google Groups took over Deja News, and still maintains one
> > of the most comprehensive archives - it goes back several decades. However,
> > their search abilities have become steadily less useful.
> 
> Is it possible to find the *VERY FIRST MESSAGE* posted in comp.lang.c, 
> Master? :)

According to Google groups, that's this message:

<https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.lang.c/FifXW1zB-P8/discussion>

> > hafizrameezansari posted his message from Google Groups.
> 
> Google Search is definitely more intelligent than the search "engine" in 
> Netscape if not Thunderbird. :)

It's been a long time since I used Netscape. but Thunderbird's search
facilities are significantly better than those of Google Groups.

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#96675 — Re: "an article from 1997."

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 10:38:19 PM UTC-6, james...@verizon.net wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 10:49:08 PM UTC-5, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > On 16/11/2016 11:31 AM, jameskuyper@verizon.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Usenet doesn't archive anything. Particular usenet news servers each have\
> > > their own retention policies. Deja News established one of the most
> > > comprehensive archives of usenet articles, and provided a pretty decent
> > > search engine. Google Groups took over Deja News, and still maintains one
> > > of the most comprehensive archives - it goes back several decades. However,
> > > their search abilities have become steadily less useful.
> > 
> > Is it possible to find the *VERY FIRST MESSAGE* posted in comp.lang.c, 
> > Master? :)
> 
> According to Google groups, that's this message:
> 
> <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.lang.c/FifXW1zB-P8/discussion>
> 

FWIW, comp.lang.c was the new name for the older group net.lang.c
which goes back a few years earlier.

While googlegroups's search ability waxes and wanes, the real loss
was simple chronological browsing which the old interface used to
provide. I can't find an easy way to pull up, say, Jan 1990, and
start reading.

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#96680 — Re: "an article from 1997."

On 16/11/2016 1:06 PM, luser droog wrote:
>
> FWIW, comp.lang.c was the new name for the older group net.lang.c
> which goes back a few years earlier.

More redirection and purge? Is there anyone in Usenet that is keeping 
track of these name and pointer/vector changes?

> While googlegroups's search ability waxes and wanes, the real loss
> was simple chronological browsing which the old interface used to
> provide. I can't find an easy way to pull up, say, Jan 1990, and
> start reading.

There should be something like Wayback machine. Maybe in US Government's 
(Secret? Covert? Stealth?) Archive(s)? :)

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#96678 — Re: "an article from 1997."

On 16/11/2016 12:38 PM, jameskuyper@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible to find the *VERY FIRST MESSAGE* posted in comp.lang.c,
>> Master? :)
>
> According to Google groups, that's this message:
>
> <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.lang.c/FifXW1zB-P8/discussion>

1986. Is there an older bottle? :)

I think Usenet is older than that...

> It's been a long time since I used Netscape. but Thunderbird's search
> facilities are significantly better than those of Google Groups.

Because the CPUs, hard disks and *registers* were slower when Netscape 
was still popular? There were no solid state hard disks (SSD) back then.

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#96677 — Re: "an article from 1997."

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:
<snip>
> Is it possible to find the *VERY FIRST MESSAGE* posted in comp.lang.c,
> Master? :)

Your use of smile emoticons suggests, to me, that you a constantly
smirking or chuckling to yourself.  Your use of "master" then suggests a
sarcastic, mocking tone to everything you say.

I don't really mind, I just thought you might like to know how you come
across at least to one person here as that might not have been your
intention.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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#96679 — Re: ":)"

On 16/11/2016 5:52 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
> Your use of smile emoticons suggests, to me, that you a constantly
> smirking or chuckling to yourself.  Your use of "master" then suggests a
> sarcastic, mocking tone to everything you say.
>
> I don't really mind, I just thought you might like to know how you come
> across at least to one person here as that might not have been your
> intention.

Relax, smile, calm down, even when you are trying to profile my 
personality and mental states.

Maybe you are too busy and does NOT have sufficient sleep, Master! :)

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#96690 — Re: ":)"

"Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> writes:

> On 16/11/2016 5:52 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>> Your use of smile emoticons suggests, to me, that you a constantly
>> smirking or chuckling to yourself.  Your use of "master" then suggests a
>> sarcastic, mocking tone to everything you say.
>>
>> I don't really mind, I just thought you might like to know how you come
>> across at least to one person here as that might not have been your
>> intention.
>
> Relax, smile, calm down, even when you are trying to profile my
> personality and mental states.

That's not what I'm doing.  I'm simply telling you how your posts appear
to me, and, I would imagine, to some other people too.  You can do what
you like with the information, but I thought it might be useful.  If it
isn't, just ignore it.

-- 
Ben.

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#96730 — Re: ":)"

On 16/11/2016 11:32 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> That's not what I'm doing.  I'm simply telling you how your posts appear
> to me, and, I would imagine, to some other people too.  You can do what
> you like with the information, but I thought it might be useful.  If it
> isn't, just ignore it.

Thank you, Master. I am trying to follow. :)

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