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  This forum has gone to crap Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:49 -0700
    Re: This forum has gone to crap John McCue <jmccue@jmcnet1.bstnma.east.verizon.net> - 2015-08-23 00:03 +0000
    This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:22 -0700
      Re: This forum has gone to crap David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-23 22:06 +0200
    Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:23 -0700
      Re: This forum has gone to crap Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 18:04 -0700
      Re: This forum has gone to crap David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-23 22:00 +0200
        Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 13:30 -0700
          Re: This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:34 -0700
            Re: This forum has gone to crap Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 00:17 -0700
            Re: This forum has gone to crap mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2015-08-26 03:06 -0700
              Re: This forum has gone to crap Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-26 12:50 +0100
                Re: This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 05:19 -0700
                  Re: This forum has gone to crap Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-26 13:45 +0100
                    Re: This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:01 -0700
                      Re: This forum has gone to crap Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2015-08-26 16:32 -0700
                        Re: This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 16:46 -0700
                          Re: This forum has gone to crap Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-30 09:30 -0700
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                    Re: This forum has gone to crap David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:48 -0700
                Re: This forum has gone to crap Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-26 13:45 +0100
                  Re: This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:00 -0700
                    Re: This forum has gone to crap Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-26 10:12 -0700
                      Re: This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 10:31 -0700
                        Re: This forum has gone to crap Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-08-26 19:38 +0200
                  Re: This forum has gone to crap Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-08-26 14:38 +0100
                  Re: This forum has gone to crap Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-06 18:21 -0700
                    Re: This forum has gone to crap Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-06 18:33 -0700
                      Re: This forum has gone to crap Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-11 06:21 -0700
                        Re: This forum has gone to crap "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-11 06:31 -0700
                          Re: This forum has gone to crap Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-09-26 17:20 -0700
                Re: This forum has gone to crap mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2015-08-27 09:02 -0700
                  Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 09:49 -0700
          Re: This forum has gone to crap Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 00:11 -0700
            Re: This forum has gone to crap David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-24 11:09 +0200
              Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 02:30 -0700
                Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 02:58 -0700
              Re: This forum has gone to crap raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-08-25 21:00 +0000
                Re: This forum has gone to crap David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-08-26 13:18 +0200
            Re: This forum has gone to crap Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-24 10:43 -0700
              Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 09:24 -0700
                Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 09:47 -0700
                  Re: This forum has gone to crap fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 09:56 -0700
                Re: This forum has gone to crap David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 17:45 -0700
                  Re: This forum has gone to crap Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-24 18:30 -0700
                    Re: This forum has gone to crap David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 19:21 -0700
                      Re: This forum has gone to crap Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-08-26 00:00 -0700
              Re: This forum has gone to crap gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-24 16:47 +0000
              Re: This forum has gone to crap glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-08-24 20:13 +0000
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    Re: This forum has gone to crap Steve Thompson <stevet810@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 16:32 +0000
      Re: This forum has gone to crap gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-08-26 21:29 +0000
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#68401

Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:

> On 26/08/2015 11:06, mark.bluemel@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, 24 August 2015 01:34:52 UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin  wrote:
>>
>>>  Has anyone ever shared the gospel of Jesus Christ with you?
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/phpbz7a
>
> Rick, ...

Sigh.  I know I can't reply without vanishing up my own logical arse,
but if this group is not to turn into comp.lang.c.religion it requires
that people simply resist the temptation to reply.  I think you reply to
Rick, or to replies to Rick, more than anyone else.  Can I prevail on
you to stop?  There is lots of evidence that nothing you or anyone else
says will stop Rick's rudeness.  Not replying to *any* of it is the
*only* solution.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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#68404

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 8:45:58 AM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> ...There is lots of evidence that nothing you or anyone else
> says will stop Rick's rudeness.  Not replying to *any* of it is the
> *only* solution.

Ben, unless you come to receive Jesus Christ as your Savior, there is
going to come a day when you will remember these posts of mine, and
the warning I gave you, the same warning the Lord gives all of mankind
thru people like me who repeat His words, and you are going to cry
your eyes out in despair realizing what you passed up on for your own
personal desires in this world, for "going your own way" or "doing it
your own way," an embracement of self, the fruit of sin ... and it
will be the last thing you ever do before you enter into the lake of
fire for all eternity.

I implore you, on bended knee, consider that end.  You are in the
water, going down for the third time, Jesus is throwing you the only
life ring you'll ever receive.

Don't pass it up.  Grab hold of it and live.  And the life you'll
live, while hard in this world, will be a blessing to many, and in
eternity you will shine like the stars forever.  Jesus alone makes
that possible because He alone can take away your sin.

Consider this, Ben.  I beg you.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#68433

On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 at 2:00:42 PM UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>
> Jesus is throwing you the only life ring you'll ever receive.
> 
How can you possibly know that you're the only available instrument
of Ben's salvation? 

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#68434

Malcon McLean wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Jesus is throwing you the only life ring you'll
> > ever receive.
>
> How can you possibly know that you're the
> only available instrument of Ben's salvation?

Jesus is the only life ring (not science, buddha,
allah, the flying spaghetti monster, but Jesus
only is the way out).

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#68436

On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 10:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

> Malcon McLean wrote:
> > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > Jesus is throwing you the only life ring you'll
> > > ever receive.
> >
> > How can you possibly know that you're the
> > only available instrument of Ben's salvation?
> 
> Jesus is the only life ring (not science, buddha,
> allah, the flying spaghetti monster, but Jesus
> only is the way out).

Jesus is surely flying zombi monster.

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#68413

On 26/08/2015 13:45, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Richard Heathfield<rjh@cpax.org.uk>  writes:
>
>>  On 26/08/2015 11:06, mark.bluemel@gmail.com wrote:
>>>  On Monday, 24 August 2015 01:34:52 UTC+1, Rick C. Hodgin  wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Has anyone ever shared the gospel of Jesus Christ with you?
>>>
>>>  http://tinyurl.com/phpbz7a
>>
>>  Rick, ...
>
> Sigh.  I know I can't reply without vanishing up my own logical arse,

I am acquainted with the logical difficulty. :-)

> but if this group is not to turn into comp.lang.c.religion it requires
> that people simply resist the temptation to reply.  I think you reply to
> Rick, or to replies to Rick, more than anyone else.

Er, I hope that isn't true. I generally try not to. I'll try harder.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#69717

Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:

> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>
>> On 26/08/2015 11:06, mark.bluemel@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 24 August 2015 01:34:52 UTC+1, [X] wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Has anyone ever shared the gospel of Jesus Christ with you?
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/phpbz7a
>>
>> [X], ...
>
> Sigh.  I know I can't reply without vanishing up my own logical arse,
> but if this group is not to turn into comp.[something-else] it requires
> that people simply resist the temptation to reply.  I think you reply to
> [X], or to replies to [X], more than anyone else.  Can I prevail on
> you to stop?  There is lots of evidence that nothing you or anyone else
> says will stop [X]'s rudeness.  Not replying to *any* of it is the
> *only* solution.

I second this request generically, not just to RH but everyone,
for every poster who flouts the customs and general courtesies
of the group.  The only way to get such people to stop is to
stop engaging them.

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#69721

Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
[...]
>> Sigh.  I know I can't reply without vanishing up my own logical arse,
>> but if this group is not to turn into comp.[something-else] it requires
>> that people simply resist the temptation to reply.  I think you reply to
>> [X], or to replies to [X], more than anyone else.  Can I prevail on
>> you to stop?  There is lots of evidence that nothing you or anyone else
>> says will stop [X]'s rudeness.  Not replying to *any* of it is the
>> *only* solution.
>
> I second this request generically, not just to RH but everyone,
> for every poster who flouts the customs and general courtesies
> of the group.  The only way to get such people to stop is to
> stop engaging them.

I agree, but with one proviso.  In my experience, not engaging such
people *doesn't* necessarily get them to stop.  At best, it reduces
the volume.  Still, it's the best we can do.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#70245

Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>>> Sigh.  I know I can't reply without vanishing up my own logical arse,
>>> but if this group is not to turn into comp.[something-else] it requires
>>> that people simply resist the temptation to reply.  I think you reply to
>>> [X], or to replies to [X], more than anyone else.  Can I prevail on
>>> you to stop?  There is lots of evidence that nothing you or anyone else
>>> says will stop [X]'s rudeness.  Not replying to *any* of it is the
>>> *only* solution.
>>
>> I second this request generically, not just to RH but everyone,
>> for every poster who flouts the customs and general courtesies
>> of the group.  The only way to get such people to stop is to
>> stop engaging them.
>
> I agree, but with one proviso.  In my experience, not engaging such
> people *doesn't* necessarily get them to stop.  At best, it reduces
> the volume.  Still, it's the best we can do.

Yes, I meant the same thing.

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#70246

On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-4, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
> 
> > Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> >> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >>> Sigh.  I know I can't reply without vanishing up my own logical arse,
> >>> but if this group is not to turn into comp.[something-else] it requires
> >>> that people simply resist the temptation to reply.  I think you reply to
> >>> [X], or to replies to [X], more than anyone else.  Can I prevail on
> >>> you to stop?  There is lots of evidence that nothing you or anyone else
> >>> says will stop [X]'s rudeness.  Not replying to *any* of it is the
> >>> *only* solution.
> >>
> >> I second this request generically, not just to RH but everyone,
> >> for every poster who flouts the customs and general courtesies
> >> of the group.  The only way to get such people to stop is to
> >> stop engaging them.
> >
> > I agree, but with one proviso.  In my experience, not engaging such
> > people *doesn't* necessarily get them to stop.  At best, it reduces
> > the volume.  Still, it's the best we can do.
> 
> Yes, I meant the same thing.

There is a caring in people like me.  We care for the future of our
fellows, our peers, mankind in general.  We have looked deeply into
the guidance of Jesus Christ, His teaching, His love, His peace, His
harmony, His forgiveness, His victory, and His Kingdom, and we see
the value in who He is, and what He has done.

I am a sinner.  I have done sinful thing sin my life, and I need to
be forgiven for that sin.  There is one name given unto men whereby
we must be saved, and that is the man Jesus Christ.  He came here
to resolve our conflict with God, to end our rebellion, to bring
peace between us and God, to restore us to eternal life, to restore
us to that which God intended for us before sin entered in.

I reach out to each of you to point you to the door that leads to
eternal life.  And I educate you, telling you that you too can be
forgiven just for the asking, when it is a sincere asking from your
inmost man.

Jesus Christ forgives sin.  He brings eternal life for you within
that forgiveness.  He restores all things, and makes all things new.

Jesus Christ is the one you need to seek in your life, even more
so than food or water.

I urge you to consider these words, to look upon Him, to think on
His name, to consider who He is and what He has done.  When you
look truly into who He is, your life will be changed... forever.

-----
I write this reply in response to comments like "It's the best we
can do" (referring to silencing people like me).  You do not know
what you are attempting to silence by silencing this message.  You
are silencing that very thing you need more than food, water, or
even air.  You are silencing the free gift of eternal life given
to you through our words, and through the one we point to.  You
are turning your back on truth, on life itself, on everything that
is right, true, and good in this universe, which is to say, you
are turning your back on Jesus Christ, who is all those things.

I urge you, on bended knee, with everything that is within me,
don't pass Him by.  Consider Him.  You owe yourself that much.
And if you don't think you can do it on your own, ask Him for
help.  Show Him that you at least want to know the truth, and He
will help you do the rest.  He will make a way out of no way
for all those who honestly desire to seek the truth.

I love you.  Each of you.  It's why I teach you these things,
because there is an enemy of God afoot in this world who does
not love you, and will not teach you these things, and has no
desires for you whatsoever except your eternal destruction in
Hell with his sorry self.  But Jesus Christ makes us overcomers
in Him.  We need not be taken down by that evil enemy of God,
but we can be restored, made alive in eternity, entering in
to that which Jesus Himself called "paradise," to which the
Bible calls "the paradise of God."

It's your choice.  Make the right one.  Go with truth, love,
and life.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#71247

"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes:

> On Friday, September 11, 2015 at 9:22:04 AM UTC-4, Tim Rentsch wrote:
>> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
>>
>>> Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
>>>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> Sigh.  I know I can't reply without vanishing up my own logical arse,
>>>>> but if this group is not to turn into comp.[something-else] it requires
>>>>> that people simply resist the temptation to reply.  I think you reply to
>>>>> [X], or to replies to [X], more than anyone else.  Can I prevail on
>>>>> you to stop?  There is lots of evidence that nothing you or anyone else
>>>>> says will stop [X]'s rudeness.  Not replying to *any* of it is the
>>>>> *only* solution.
>>>>
>>>> I second this request generically, not just to RH but everyone,
>>>> for every poster who flouts the customs and general courtesies
>>>> of the group.  The only way to get such people to stop is to
>>>> stop engaging them.
>>>
>>> I agree, but with one proviso.  In my experience, not engaging such
>>> people *doesn't* necessarily get them to stop.  At best, it reduces
>>> the volume.  Still, it's the best we can do.
>>
>> Yes, I meant the same thing.
>
> There is a caring in people like me.

My comments were not meant to be about you.  This was
more clear from context, which unfortunately got
snipped - the "RH" was a reference to Richard Heathfield.
I deliberately made the X's generic so as not to
associate the comments with any particular person.
Sorry for the confusion.

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#68492

On Wednesday, 26 August 2015 12:51:13 UTC+1, Richard Heathfield  wrote:

> Mark, I enjoyed the cartoon, but it is just as off-topic here as Rick's 
> proselytising. 

Yeah, sorry about that. I should just leave Rick to his rants, similarly
with the promoter of free grammar (Perverse Polish Notation, anyone?)

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#68497

W dniu czwartek, 27 sierpnia 2015 18:03:06 UTC+2 użytkownik mark.b...@gmail.com napisał:
> On Wednesday, 26 August 2015 12:51:13 UTC+1, Richard Heathfield  wrote:
> 
> > Mark, I enjoyed the cartoon, but it is just as off-topic here as Rick's 
> > proselytising. 
> 
> Yeah, sorry about that. I should just leave Rick to his rants, similarly
> with the promoter of free grammar (Perverse Polish Notation, anyone?)


not quite a promoteur, but more like just user, 
('side'promoteur maybe)
and not quite of free grammar but more like 'open form'

though i may say this group is in such dead state that i dont see it too much

instead of discussing real topics like why tdm gcc 51 is slower than tdm gcc 47 , there is discussed 'great problem' of (!!a() != !!b())

the first is real problem that may increase your practical programming skills, the second one -really not too much (unles you are very newbie)

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#68196

fir, I might be a lot of things, but I'm not stupid. I attended a fairly selective university for undergrad school and an even more selective university for graduate level work. Both are ranked as in the top 50 in the nation for what I studied. And I'm pretty sure neither one of my Alma mates would take you because of your poor grammar and even weaker reading comprehension. And I'm even more sure that you never attended anything more than an unranked hick school.

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#68214

On 24/08/15 09:11, Chad wrote:
> fir, I might be a lot of things, but I'm not stupid. I attended a
> fairly selective university for undergrad school and an even more
> selective university for graduate level work. Both are ranked as in
> the top 50 in the nation for what I studied. And I'm pretty sure
> neither one of my Alma mates would take you because of your poor
> grammar and even weaker reading comprehension. And I'm even more sure
> that you never attended anything more than an unranked hick school.
> 

Chad, you do realise this is an international group, don't you?  For all
we know, your university might be "in the top 50 in the nation" - the
nation being Elbonia.

Fir is Polish (AFAIK), thus English is a foreign language to him.  It is
not unreasonable to expect a Pole to have weaker skills in English
grammar, spelling and comprehension, and to cut him a little slack here.

Of course, he has no excuse for his anti-social attitudes, his insults,
his outstanding ingratitude, and his arrogance.  And although he might
not be completely fluent in English, he /can/ write far better than he
does - his writing is /intentionally/ bad, through some misguided ideas
that this makes him a philosopher and therefore "above" the common crowd.

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#68292

> 
> Fir is Polish (AFAIK),

I m from poland
(as polish eagle inject, so check-chc-chck the tehnique ;< )

(recently my thinking technique is much worse as usual, (probably becouse reading all this blabla and get heavily poisoned) but maybe i will try to work on it to get back to prewious form, damn that would need some work)

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#68294

i may also add that I am also interested in a thing called (or at least i call it) 'body rock'

body rock is a special way of creazy gesticulation to hip-hop pices, this seem damn important to (same as hold some minimal form in thinking) as my body form drops down

this seem somewhat unrelated, but if someone
wants to know what is important to me, body rock is important to me (i do it far far not enough last times) we need much more of tht sht

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#68342

David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

> Fir is Polish (AFAIK), thus English is a foreign language to him.

That is no excuse, and I think I speak with authority when I say that.

For speaking _stilted_ or non-idiomatic English, yes, being foreign may
be an excuse, although it is often over-used. For intentionally mangling
it beyond all semblance of sanity, sorry, nope.

Richard

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#68388

On 25/08/15 23:00, Richard Bos wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
> 
>> Fir is Polish (AFAIK), thus English is a foreign language to him.
> 
> That is no excuse, and I think I speak with authority when I say that.
> 
> For speaking _stilted_ or non-idiomatic English, yes, being foreign may
> be an excuse, although it is often over-used. For intentionally mangling
> it beyond all semblance of sanity, sorry, nope.
> 

I agree entirely - and I said as much in my post.  My point was that
Chad was berating people (Fir in particular) for being bad at writing in
English - it did not seem that he has considered the possibility that
some people here have English as a foreign language.  (There are a few
others here who write in a manner that is hard to understand, which I
think is due to their limited skills in English rather than being
intentionally incomprehensible.)

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#68241

Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> writes:
> fir, [SNIP]

Chad, a day or so ago you said something about adding fir to
your killfile.  I encourage you to do so.  Whether you do or not,
*please* stop provoking him.  You are directly and indirectly
harming the signal-to-noise ratio of this newsgroup by "feeding
the troll" [insert debate about the exact definition of "troll"].
Plenty of people have tried to persuade fir to change his behavior;
you won't magically be the first to succeed.

The same applies to Rick C. Hodgin and to anyone else you might
feel the need to insult in public.

Please knock it off or join them in *my* killfile.

I also request that you insert line breaks in your posts so that
each line is about 72 columns or less.  Long lines are more difficult
to read in most Usenet newsreader programs.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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