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| First post | 2016-12-23 22:47 -0800 |
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Getting tired by including header files einstein1410@gmail.com - 2016-12-23 22:47 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files einstein1410@gmail.com - 2016-12-23 22:52 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-24 21:03 +1300
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 03:39 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-25 09:37 +1300
Re: Getting tired by including header files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-24 14:17 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:27 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:28 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-24 17:32 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:37 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:39 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-24 18:57 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 19:34 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 04:08 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 04:26 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 04:36 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-12-25 04:50 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 05:01 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:05 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 05:02 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:06 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 06:36 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 06:34 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 06:50 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:01 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:18 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:27 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:44 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:49 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 08:01 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 08:08 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:18 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 04:14 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-24 12:18 +0000
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 04:32 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 04:41 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-24 13:46 +0000
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 07:07 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-12-24 15:29 +0000
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 07:46 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 07:58 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 08:26 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 08:28 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 08:46 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:00 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:06 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:12 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:20 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:46 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:51 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:57 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 10:01 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 10:43 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-12-24 09:52 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:57 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 10:20 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2016-12-24 18:43 +0000
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 11:01 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 11:09 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 11:44 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 12:13 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:12 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 04:52 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 06:47 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:02 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:19 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:15 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 05:24 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 06:55 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 07:56 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 08:00 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 08:04 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-25 08:11 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-26 07:28 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 11:10 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 11:03 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files janibhargavk@gmail.com - 2016-12-24 07:31 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 07:51 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Manfred <mx2927@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 16:49 +0100
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 08:02 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Manfred <mx2927@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 17:24 +0100
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 08:33 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 04:49 -0800
Getting tired by including header files asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-12-24 08:32 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 08:39 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-12-24 09:04 -0800
Re: Getting tired by including header files Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> - 2016-12-24 09:15 -0800
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| From | einstein1410@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-23 22:47 -0800 |
| Subject | Getting tired by including header files |
| Message-ID | <d86f8efe-9562-4a25-91e2-2c482617701e@googlegroups.com> |
hello everyone, I am Krunal Shah, Computer Engineer and would like to draw all your attention towards the monotonous situation of adding header files. Please consider the following scenario: Scenario - 1: Suppose that you are learning C language, Then at that time including the header file is not becomes monotonous. Its just fun. because at that time the person who is doing programming, only has to include the required file ( practically less than 10 ). Scenario - 2: As you become comfortable with that language, eventually you will develop larger programs that offers more facilities. at this time you have to include more number of header files. That becomes little tedious. Scenario - 3: Now, you are expert C programmer ( just like kernel developers ) and coding extremely large programs then you must have to include several header files and you must have to do this for all files which are dependent. And this becomes the most boaring task. => This is just like writing the same lines into multiple files in order to accomplish the said task. ( Just like if child doesn't remember a to z, tell him to write it down 10 times. ) Solution: I am presenting one solution to this task which has some limitation also. I want all of you to suggest me about this and please share your opinions also. Step-1) Initially creates one header file. lets say all.h Step-2) In that file copy all lines of code of all header files into the all.h What i mean by step2 is combine all header files into a single one. Step-3) Otherwise in case if you don't want to do step2 then put #include lines for all header files in all.h. thus, all.h in turns includes the all available header files. So, The main purpose of doing this is to remove burden of including header files on programmer. Limitations : some biggest practical applications like Linux Kernel, This will create difficulties such as: when you modifies any one header file then all the kernel code will be need to recompile again as per the make and makefile rules. This will slow down the process of compilation, and it will increase the burden on computing system and frees the human, WHICH IS THE MAIN REQUIREMENT WHY COMPUTERS GOT INVENTED. I hope, you all are agree with me. If any one wants to give any suggestion then please do it faster. Thanks a lot. Krunalkumar Shah
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| From | einstein1410@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-23 22:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <cf66119b-1ce5-4db0-ab80-f724f0141c4e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100113 |
This will surely make a one line program into thousand lines! That's the another limitaion.
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 21:03 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <ec6oe3FikqvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #100113 |
On 12/24/16 07:47 PM, einstein1410@gmail.com wrote: > hello everyone, I am Krunal Shah, Computer Engineer and would like to > draw all your attention towards the monotonous situation of adding > header files. Please consider the following scenario: > > Scenario - 1: Suppose that you are learning C language, Then at that > time including the header file is not becomes monotonous. Its just > fun. because at that time the person who is doing programming, only > has to include the required file ( practically less than 10 ). > > Scenario - 2: As you become comfortable with that language, > eventually you will develop larger programs that offers more > facilities. at this time you have to include more number of header > files. That becomes little tedious. > > Scenario - 3: Now, you are expert C programmer ( just like kernel > developers ) and coding extremely large programs then you must have > to include several header files and you must have to do this for all > files which are dependent. And this becomes the most boaring task. > > => This is just like writing the same lines into multiple files in > order to accomplish the said task. ( Just like if child doesn't > remember a to z, tell him to write it down 10 times. ) > > Solution: > > I am presenting one solution to this task which has some limitation > also. I want all of you to suggest me about this and please share > your opinions also. > > > Step-1) Initially creates one header file. lets say all.h Step-2) In > that file copy all lines of code of all header files into the all.h > What i mean by step2 is combine all header files into a single one. > Step-3) Otherwise in case if you don't want to do step2 then put > #include lines for all header files in all.h. thus, all.h in turns > includes the all available header files. That, or a variation of it isn't uncommon, especially if you are using a compiler with precompiled header support, such as visual studio or gcc. My current project gathers all of the standard library headers and common project headers in one precompiled header. -- Ian
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 03:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f6e5d553-3c58-4a01-b92a-0def2c935584@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100115 |
Wow! Its amazing. Thanks. Can you please elaborate your idea? And if We consider the Borland C then this idea can be implementable, isn't it?
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 09:37 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <ec84jgFmpfvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #100118 |
On 12/25/16 12:39 AM, Krunalkumar Shah wrote: > Wow! Its amazing. Thanks. Keeping some context form previous messages would be nice. > Can you please elaborate your idea? Have a read up on precomplied headers. Ours being a large project, the main reason for using them is to minimise build times as well as visual clutter. -- Ian
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 14:17 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3efad208-710f-4194-884f-868a37375edd@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100193 |
On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 8:37:11 PM UTC, Ian Collins wrote: > On 12/25/16 12:39 AM, Krunalkumar Shah wrote: > > Wow! Its amazing. Thanks. > > Keeping some context form previous messages would be nice. > > > Can you please elaborate your idea? > > Have a read up on precomplied headers. Ours being a large project, the > main reason for using them is to minimise build times as well as visual > clutter. > Microsoft's compiler used to get into the state where it demanded "stdafx.h" included in every source file, and however much you played with the settings it would not compile portable C source. However yes. If you've got the misfortune of having a huge project and a non-stable low-level include that everything else depends on, getting build times down can be important. Though to be honest I find that if you stick to C then on a modern machine, projects have to be pretty large before build time starts being an issue.
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 17:27 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <34055aea-59ab-4ce8-9b5a-478b021f384b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100200 |
Yaa that's true. Project must be largs but not larger than the biggest practical application ( Linux Kernel ). And stop using windows. Its just waste of time. Start using any open source compiler. Its good not only for compilation but also of enjoyment. And such truly windows is for those who don't know how to use computers. Once my friend Giovanni ( Giovanni.homelinux.net ) told me : " A computer is like air conditioner, it will stop working when you open windows ". So close window and starts terminal, which the king of all computing resources. Thanks Krunalkumar Shah
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 17:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <28e24b66-b9f5-4ff1-86dd-1e68adaa3a25@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100200 |
What is stdafx.h? Please describe this. And also describes the problem occurred...
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 17:32 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lnh95saj57.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #100213 |
Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> writes:
> What is stdafx.h?
Try Googling it.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 17:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <171cf04f-96c6-4e96-bf71-66a7a873eafc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100214 |
The persons like you had ruined this group. If everything is done by Google then what is the need of people, professor or school or college. If you are right then close all college and everybody will Google something. And Google sometimes wrong. And it provides only those information that is stored in its database. While if the person whom I am asking, will surely explain me deeply. So, please stop talking about googling. I like it because I hate it and I know that I don't know why everybody wants Google.... Truly Google is no more then our C. Because Google was developed in python which in turns in C. One can defeat Google by only C, not none does, I will.
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 17:39 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <3279cdc0-5913-4506-b91c-09a7d502704f@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100214 |
And one more thing don't interrupt while two are talking. And I had not asked that question to you. If you don't want to answer them remain calm, just don't ans like the above one.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 18:57 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lnd1ggaf67.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #100216 |
Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> writes:
> And one more thing don't interrupt while two are talking. And I had
> not asked that question to you. If you don't want to answer them
> remain calm, just don't ans like the above one.
That's not how this works. This is, as you've observed, a public
newsgroup. If you want to have a one-on-one conversation with
someone, feel free to use e-mail.
(Which I've done, BTW; did you read the message I sent you?)
If you have no idea what stdafx.h is, a Google search should be a
good start. If you still have questions after that, feel free to
ask here.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-24 19:34 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a51ef838-6856-4b55-871b-ac5546c9b66b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100218 |
Ya keith. You are right, Indeed. i am completely agreeing you. sorry for mis-behavioour. I forget the main aim of this publicly available group. Thanks for remembering me about this. Thanks once again keith. Krunalkumar Shah
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 04:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ba69f9fd-6ead-41d6-b513-9a04ce0ad952@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100219 |
W dniu niedziela, 25 grudnia 2016 04:34:44 UTC+1 użytkownik Krunalkumar Shah napisał: > Ya keith. > > You are right, Indeed. > i am completely agreeing you. > sorry for mis-behavioour. > > I forget the main aim of this publicly available group. Thanks for remembering me about this. > > Thanks once again keith. > > Krunalkumar Shah dont listen to keith he is talking bulshit (he is weakly respectable user and gets angry from that reason then he attack newcomers)
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 04:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <55820b10-e182-4f20-ba6b-78c9de482e6e@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100236 |
No fir, he is little bit right. I am not saying that he is totally right, but what he had argued is seems right.
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 04:36 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <97f50643-707a-469b-a6ad-eacb89e75652@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100238 |
W dniu niedziela, 25 grudnia 2016 13:26:25 UTC+1 użytkownik Krunalkumar Shah napisał: > No fir, he is little bit right. I am not saying that he is totally right, but what he had argued is seems right. bein only tiny right is wrong, keith is this group wel known bully - (sorta like this guy from back to future)
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| From | asetofsymbols@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 04:50 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d06b793c-5ec4-44e5-9e4d-e896c73e9e4b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100239 |
You don't Know what mean bully...
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 05:01 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ac82430c-ec5f-4df8-bfba-7502c38add0c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100241 |
W dniu niedziela, 25 grudnia 2016 13:50:06 UTC+1 użytkownik asetof...@gmail.com napisał: > You don't Know what mean bully... marked as spam
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| From | Krunalkumar Shah <einstein1410@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 07:05 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f74086cd-d972-42c3-88f4-696c66c3029d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100243 |
On Sunday, December 25, 2016 at 6:31:42 PM UTC+5:30, fir wrote: > W dniu niedziela, 25 grudnia 2016 13:50:06 UTC+1 użytkownik asetof...@gmail.com napisał: > > You don't Know what mean bully... > > marked as spam You have no rights to make someones message as spam, its just only limited to you. you cant make all us to agree with you.
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-25 05:02 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b0199b7d-b0a1-439c-8114-7ec5484a6dc9@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #100241 |
W dniu niedziela, 25 grudnia 2016 13:50:06 UTC+1 użytkownik asetof...@gmail.com napisał: > You don't Know what mean bully... marked as spam (sorry for that user)
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