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  The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 19:25 -0700
    Re: The Problem with Christianity Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-30 21:40 +1200
      Re: The Problem with Christianity gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-30 11:05 +0000
      Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 05:05 -0700
        Re: The Problem with Christianity Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2016-07-30 07:14 -0700
          Re: The Problem with Christianity BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-07-30 15:18 +0100
            Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 08:23 -0700
            Re: The Problem with Christianity Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-07-30 16:53 +0100
              Re: The Problem with Christianity Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-07-30 09:15 -0700
              Re: The Problem with Christianity "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-07-30 13:19 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-30 08:15 -0700
        Re: The Problem with Christianity DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-30 15:05 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 04:20 -0700
            Re: The Problem with Christianity DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-07-31 13:37 -0400
              Re: The Problem with Christianity Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-01 15:13 -0400
                Re: The Problem with Christianity DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-08-01 15:21 -0400
                  Re: The Problem with Christianity "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-08-01 15:48 -0400
                  Re: The Problem with Christianity Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-03 14:54 -0400
        Re: The Problem with Christianity Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-01 14:29 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 12:50 -0700
            Re: The Problem with Christianity Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-08-01 22:21 +0200
              Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 15:30 -0700
                Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-08-02 01:44 +0000
                  Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 18:58 -0700
                    Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-08-03 15:04 -0400
                      Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-08-03 20:29 +0100
                      Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 12:58 -0700
                      Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-08-03 20:06 +0000
                        Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 13:11 -0700
                          Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-08-03 18:30 -0400
                  Re: Like a stopped clock, Rick is actually right about this (Was: The Problem with Christianity) luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 21:47 -0700
    Re: The Problem with Christianity Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-07-30 13:43 -0700
      Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-30 21:30 +0000
        Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile Real Troll <real.troll@trolls.com> - 2016-07-30 17:49 -0400
          Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-07-31 08:34 +0000
            Re: The Problem with Keith's killfile Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 16:51 +0100
    Re: The Problem with Christianity fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 12:02 -0700
      Re: The Problem with Christianity Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2016-08-02 14:07 +0000
        Re: The Problem with Christianity "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 10:49 -0700
    Re: The Problem with Christianity asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-08-07 12:28 -0700

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#91344 — The Problem with Christianity

The Problem with Christianity:

Ken Ham lays out the problem with Christianity very very clearly:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUdBBH7bRoY&t=14m6s

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91347

On 07/30/16 02:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> The Problem with Christianity:

Is it not only leads to spam, but now multi-posted spam.

Please stop this sociopathic nonsense.

-- 
Ian

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#91352

In article <e03b08Fbb39U2@mid.individual.net>,
Ian Collins  <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 07/30/16 02:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>> The Problem with Christianity:
>
>Is it not only leads to spam, but now multi-posted spam.
>
>Please stop this sociopathic nonsense.

No, no, no!  A thousand times, no!

By all means continue this sociopathic nonsense.  It makes this newsgroup
interesting.

Be honest, Ian.  Clearly, the best recent threads have been:
    a) The "vacation" thread.  I really liked that one, because it shows
	that Kuyper isn't the same soulless automaton that certain other regs are.
and
    b) Anything started or contributed to by Ricky.

-- 
"You can safely assume that you have created God in your own image when 
it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."  -- Anne Lamott

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#91354

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 5:40:32 AM UTC-4, Ian Collins wrote:
> On 07/30/16 02:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > The Problem with Christianity:
> Please stop this...

Ian, let me present you with a hypothetical scenario:

    What if the Biblical account is real?
    What if there was a perfect world created by God?
    What if God truly gave man a choice, and one rule to follow?
    What if man broke that rule?
    What if sin is real?
    What if the punishment for sin really is Hell?
    What if God refused to let all men die because of sin?
    What if He made a way out by sending His Son to die in our place?
    What if He really did make a way back to the perfect world He created?
    What if He asked those who have come to Him to teach others?
    What if the things Christians teach are real?
    What if their goal is to save your eternal soul from Hell?
    What if the thing they do with their lives toward you really is done
    in love?

Have you ever considered this possibility, Ian?  That the Christian who reaches
out to you about knowledge of Jesus Christ, and specifically about saving
knowledge of Jesus Christ, is really doing this because he/she cares about
your eternal soul, and does not want you to be bound up by sin, but rather to
be set free from it, so that you too can enter into eternal life, knowing also
the born again nature here upon this world, to see with new eyes (eyes of the
spirit), to know more in this world than you did previously (with flesh only).

What if that really is our goal, and we're not trying to get you to join our
church and give us money, but instead are pointing you to that personal
relationship with Jesus Christ we already share, knowing then who He is, who
we are, who you are, and what we need to be saved?

That really is the goal of many Christian, Ian.  But the enemy is also here,
and that enemy tries very hard to make Christians be harmful toward others in
non-saving ways.  It paints enough negativity on the outside to keep those
who will only look at something at a glance away, but for those who will dig
a little deeper ... the truth will be known to them because God is not hidden,
but rather He stands at the door of your soul/mind, and He knocks, desiring
to come in and sup with you, and you with Him.

-----
The hypothetical scenario explained above ... it really does exist.  And it
really is why I reach out to people.  I want everyone to be saved.  I want
everyone to enter in to eternal life alive, and prospering in Heaven with
God.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91357

In article <b6f57780-3526-4ffa-9381-fc8873ad5c2e@googlegroups.com>,
 "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:

>     What if the Biblical account is real?

That's Fortran,
        REAL*8 Biblical account

In C, we use
        double BiblicalAccount;

-- 
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'
If you assume the final scene is a dying delusion as Tom Cruise drowns below
the Louvre, then Edge of Tomorrow has a happy ending. Kill Tom repeat..

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#91359

On 30/07/2016 15:14, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <b6f57780-3526-4ffa-9381-fc8873ad5c2e@googlegroups.com>,
>  "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>     What if the Biblical account is real?
>
> That's Fortran,
>         REAL*8 Biblical account
>
> In C, we use
>         double BiblicalAccount;
>

You mean _Bool, with a value of 0.

-- 
Bartc

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#91361

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 10:18:16 AM UTC-4, Bart wrote:
> On 30/07/2016 15:14, Siri Cruise wrote:
> > In article <b6f57780-3526-4ffa-9381-fc8873ad5c2e@googlegroups.com>,
> >  "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>     What if the Biblical account is real?
> >
> > That's Fortran,
> >         REAL*8 Biblical account
> >
> > In C, we use
> >         double BiblicalAccount;
> 
> You mean _Bool, with a value of 0.

Things related to the Bible and Jesus Christ (and their related teachings)
will all seem like hogwash when you do not seek them.  That is because
there is an active enemy of God at work in your life, one to which you are
unaware, who is guiding you away from God in everything.

That's why the things I teach you seem to be so crazy.

If you will pursue the things I teach you about for yourself, then you will
discover that what I am talking about and teaching really is real, and that
there really is this mass deception taking place world-wide, the result of
original sin, and the spiritual death that came from that sin.

Sin is the disease.  Jesus is the cure (because at the cross He takes our
sin away from us, and deposits it onto Himself so that He can pay the price
of our disobedience, rather than us having to pay it).  That's love.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91364

On 30/07/16 15:18, BartC wrote:
> On 30/07/2016 15:14, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> In article <b6f57780-3526-4ffa-9381-fc8873ad5c2e@googlegroups.com>,
>>  "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>     What if the Biblical account is real?
>>
>> That's Fortran,
>>         REAL*8 Biblical account
>>
>> In C, we use
>>         double BiblicalAccount;
>>
>
> You mean _Bool, with a value of 0.

As in so many other ways, BartC, you are mistaken. That isn't what he 
meant. He meant double, not _Bool. _Bool is what /you/ meant, and you 
meant it because you wanted to make an observation about religion in a 
technical group. Please don't do that. Keep religious observations for 
religious groups, and technical observations for technical groups.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#91365

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 4:53:20 PM UTC+1, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 30/07/16 15:18, BartC wrote:
> > On 30/07/2016 15:14, Siri Cruise wrote:
> >> In article <b6f57780-3526-4ffa-9381-fc8873ad5c2e@googlegroups.com>,
> >>  "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>     What if the Biblical account is real?
> >>
> >> That's Fortran,
> >>         REAL*8 Biblical account
> >>
> >> In C, we use
> >>         double BiblicalAccount;
> >>
> >
> > You mean _Bool, with a value of 0.
> 
> As in so many other ways, BartC, you are mistaken. That isn't what he 
> meant. He meant double, not _Bool. _Bool is what /you/ meant, and you 
> meant it because you wanted to make an observation about religion in a 
> technical group. Please don't do that. Keep religious observations for 
> religious groups, and technical observations for technical groups.
> 
It's nether wholly real not wholly imaginary.
So there can be but one identifier

complex BiblicalAccount;

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#91369

On 07/30/2016 11:53 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 30/07/16 15:18, BartC wrote:
>> On 30/07/2016 15:14, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>> In article <b6f57780-3526-4ffa-9381-fc8873ad5c2e@googlegroups.com>,
>>>  "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>     What if the Biblical account is real?
>>>
>>> That's Fortran,
>>>         REAL*8 Biblical account
>>>
>>> In C, we use
>>>         double BiblicalAccount;
>>>
>>
>> You mean _Bool, ...
...
> As in so many other ways, BartC, you are mistaken. That isn't what he
> meant. He meant double, not _Bool. _Bool is what /you/ meant

BartC is certainly wrong about what Siri meant, but BartC's choice 
of_Bool would technically fit the pun too. _Bool is a "standard unsigned 
integer type" (6.2.5p6), an "unsigned integer type" (p6, again), an 
"integer type" (p17), and a "real type" (p17, again), each of those 
categories being defined as including every type in the previous 
category. So _Bool actually works, though it's far from being the best 
possible choice for this pun from among C's many "real types".

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#91360

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 10:14:19 AM UTC-4, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <b6f57780-3526-4ffa-9381-fc8873ad5c2e@googlegroups.com>,
>  "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >     What if the Biblical account is real?
> 
> That's Fortran,
>         REAL*8 Biblical account

Also in assembly:

    BiblicalAccount  REAL8 777

> In C, we use
>         double BiblicalAccount;

Easy to fixup:

    typedef double real;

    real BiblicalAccount;

Even C programmers can easily come to the REALization.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91373

On 7/30/2016 8:05 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 5:40:32 AM UTC-4, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 07/30/16 02:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> The Problem with Christianity:

is pushy Christians.




> Ian, let me present you with a hypothetical scenario:

snip deeply-held beliefs, delusions and absurdities

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#91387

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 3:05:38 PM UTC-4, DFS wrote:
> On 7/30/2016 8:05 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 5:40:32 AM UTC-4, Ian Collins wrote:
> >> On 07/30/16 02:25 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> >>> The Problem with Christianity:
> is pushy Christians.

Have you ever studied Jesus Christ?  Have you ever learned why He is
different than other men (because He is God in the flesh)?

> > Ian, let me present you with a hypothetical scenario:
> snip deeply-held beliefs, delusions and absurdities

The video I posted cites why it is so easy in modern society to summarily
dismiss Christianity, sin, and our need of Jesus Christ.

There is an anti-Christ spirit at work in this world teaching things which
go against Jesus Christ, and His teachings.  Because that enemy moves via
sinful men, it moves significantly.  People are always willing to sacrifice
something Jesus Christ would desire they not sacrifice (truth, morals,
ethics, etc.) for something like monetary gain or a prosperous position of
some kind of power in their field of interest.

But the truth has a different voice.  It's not subject to such draws and
pulls, and actually stands up and speaks with a loud voice against them.

If you examine the truth, seeking it rightly, purposefully, diligently,
then you will know the difference between the falseness and the truth,
because God Himself will give you the discernment to know.

It's why I spend this time.  I have been saved by Jesus Christ.  I have
known the Rick before He saved me, before the born again nature, and the
Rick now after the born again nature.  He teaches me from within, and I
am able to know the truth because of Him.  Because of that change within
me, I now speak of Him because the change I've had is available to everyone
world-wide, all who will come to Him, no matter their position, status,
former sin, or anything.  There are no barriers in Jesus Christ, except
for those people erect around themselves.

Learn of Jesus Christ, DFS.  You'll be forever glad you did.  You have
great value and worth.  You are deeply loved.  And I would like to see
you in Heaven.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#91403

On 7/31/2016 7:20 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

> Learn of Jesus Christ, DFS.  You'll be forever glad you did.  You have
> great value and worth.  You are deeply loved.  And I would like to see
> you in Heaven.

There is no Heaven, or Hell, or God in whose image man was made.



> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

Best regards... unless I refuse to "accept" JC as my savior.  Then I'm 
doomed, as noted in your nasty tweet about Prince:

#Prince is gone. He never accepted #JesusChrist as savior. He'll be 
judged and enter into Hell forever. #GodIsReal #HellIsReal #RepentToday

https://twitter.com/RickCHodgin/status/723457009979428864



And now: #PlonkIsReal

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#91514

On 7/31/2016 1:37 PM, DFS wrote:
[...]
> And now: #PlonkIsReal

And let's hear it for proper capitalization, lest we think you were plonking 
an entire country.  :-)

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#91516

On 8/1/2016 3:13 PM, Ken Brody wrote:
> On 7/31/2016 1:37 PM, DFS wrote:
> [...]
>> And now: #PlonkIsReal
>
> And let's hear it for proper capitalization, lest we think you were
> plonking an entire country.  :-)


When was Isreal founded?

Are they sending any athletes to Rio?

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#91520

On 08/01/2016 03:21 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 8/1/2016 3:13 PM, Ken Brody wrote:
>> On 7/31/2016 1:37 PM, DFS wrote:
>> [...]
>>> And now: #PlonkIsReal
>>
>> And let's hear it for proper capitalization, lest we think you were
>> plonking an entire country.  :-)
>
>
> When was Isreal founded?

According to <http://www.raceandhistory.com/worldhotspots/Israel.htm>, 1948.
According to
<http://www.mathworks.com/help/matlab/ref/isreal.html?requestedDomain=www.mathworks.com>, 
some time before 2006.
<http://docs.scipy.org/doc/numpy/reference/generated/numpy.isreal.html>
and <http://octave.sourceforge.net/octave/function/isreal.html> aren't 
clear on the founding date.
It was first mentioned by the US National Counterterrorism Center in 
January 2014. 
<https://www.rt.com/usa/isreal-counterterrorism-calendar-jokes-669/>

That was just from the first two pages out of 662,000 hits for "Isreal" 
on Google.

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#91615

On 8/1/2016 3:21 PM, DFS wrote:
> On 8/1/2016 3:13 PM, Ken Brody wrote:
>> On 7/31/2016 1:37 PM, DFS wrote:
>> [...]
>>> And now: #PlonkIsReal
>>
>> And let's hear it for proper capitalization, lest we think you were
>> plonking an entire country.  :-)
>
>
> When was Isreal founded?

A1:  Shortly after Israel?

A2:  I don't know.  I don't use MatLab.  :-)

[...]

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#91507

On 7/30/2016 8:05 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[...]
> Ian, let me present you with a hypothetical scenario:
>
>     What if the Biblical account is real?
>     What if there was a perfect world created by God?
>     What if God truly gave man a choice, and one rule to follow?
>     What if man broke that rule?

How were Adam and Eve supposed to know "right" from "wrong" prior to eating 
from the tree of knowledge?

>     What if sin is real?
>     What if the punishment for sin really is Hell?

Is there such a thing as "free will" if making the "wrong" choice is 
punished with eternal torture?

[...]
>     What if the things Christians teach are real?
[...]

What if Christianity got it wrong, so G-d sent Muhammad to correct it?

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#91521

On Monday, August 1, 2016 at 2:29:50 PM UTC-4, Ken Brody wrote:
> On 7/30/2016 8:05 AM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> [...]
> > Ian, let me present you with a hypothetical scenario:
> >
> >     What if the Biblical account is real?
> >     What if there was a perfect world created by God?
> >     What if God truly gave man a choice, and one rule to follow?
> >     What if man broke that rule?
> 
> How were Adam and Eve supposed to know "right" from "wrong" prior to eating 
> from the tree of knowledge?

Adam and Eve were different than other people.  They were created in
adult form.  They were given the full knowledge God had for man.  They
knew from God's prior warning to not eat from the tree which was in the
midst of the garden, lest they die.  They repeated this knowledge before
they did eat:

    http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/3-3.htm
    "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
     God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it,
     lest ye die."

> >     What if sin is real?
> >     What if the punishment for sin really is Hell?
> 
> Is there such a thing as "free will" if making the "wrong" choice is 
> punished with eternal torture?

Free will is given in all areas of life.  The places you cannot go are
those laid out by God.  But if you don't go to those places, you can
do all other things.  You can become a carpenter, or write music, or
do some other things.  You can decide on Tuesday to go to the market
place and have brunch with your daughter, or go for a drive out in the
country, or to work through lunch and order in pizza.

> [...]
> >     What if the things Christians teach are real?
> [...]
> 
> What if Christianity got it wrong, so G-d sent Muhammad to correct it?

God sent us His Holy word (the Bible), and His Son, and His Holy Spirit
to demonstrate and prove Himself.  It is complete, and sufficient.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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