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| Started by | Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-11-02 08:05 -0800 |
| Last post | 2015-11-10 16:31 +0000 |
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What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:05 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-02 16:08 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Jay Braun <lyngwyst@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:18 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:00 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 08:50 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-05 14:36 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 05:55 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-06 11:57 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 11:20 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-06 11:45 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 12:03 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-06 13:34 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 14:35 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-06 15:43 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 07:05 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-06 15:15 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-06 08:34 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 00:24 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-11-05 21:33 -0700
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Johannes Bauer <dfnsonfsduifb@gmx.de> - 2015-11-06 11:54 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-06 12:01 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-11-06 14:11 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:17 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:24 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 14:51 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-18 01:18 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-17 21:06 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 02:34 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2015-11-18 03:36 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 04:02 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 06:14 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 06:18 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 19:07 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-18 11:14 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2015-11-19 11:27 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 21:57 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:06 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-05 22:12 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-05 13:24 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:27 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-06 13:51 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 13:25 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-06 14:00 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 05:14 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-06 13:33 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-06 14:14 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 06:28 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 06:52 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-06 08:45 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-05 15:43 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 15:59 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 16:11 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 16:35 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 16:12 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-05 20:28 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 20:40 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-05 21:02 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 21:53 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-05 23:43 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 03:27 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-07 10:51 +1300
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 14:04 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-07 13:33 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:00 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-08 11:26 +1300
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:33 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 14:45 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 14:58 -0800
[way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-08 14:05 +1300
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 00:05 -0800
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-08 21:44 +1300
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:22 +0000
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-08 07:06 -0600
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-11-08 06:02 -0800
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 07:45 -0800
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 09:40 -0800
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 11:32 -0800
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 11:43 -0800
Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-08 21:14 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-07 15:07 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 15:14 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:27 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:35 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-10 09:05 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-07 23:18 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:20 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:28 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-07 23:20 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 15:41 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-07 16:13 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 16:20 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 16:27 -0800
Bartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-08 01:25 +0000
Re: Bartenders? (Was: What's the purpose of CAlive?) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 17:54 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 16:01 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 16:05 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-07 16:08 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-11-08 09:59 +0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-06 10:50 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-06 10:54 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 00:37 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-07 10:00 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 15:01 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-11-06 08:12 -0600
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 19:29 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? August Karlstrom <fusionfile@gmail.com> - 2015-11-07 09:33 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-07 01:47 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 06:20 -0800
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-06 16:24 +0000
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 19:41 +0100
Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 16:31 +0000
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-07 10:51 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <da4lnbFjinnU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75047 |
Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 11:28:38 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: >> On Friday, November 6, 2015 at 12:14:01 AM UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>> On Thursday, November 5, 2015 at 6:43:51 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: >>> >>>> llc-win also has the merit of being actually implemented. It's a >>>> released compiler that you can use for serious development. >>> >>> Excellent. Thank you, Malcom. I appreciate the assistance. >>> >> It's got garbage collection. >> So you can have garbage collection in C Alive for free, if you use llc-win. >> That might help you get something up and running. > > My goals are to create an offering for the Lord, one which is founded > upon Him and the skills and talents He first gave me, as an offering > given back to Him, and then also to mankind. > > To my knowledge, Jacob Navia is not a Christian. As such, I could > not use any of his work to build the product I'm in pursuit of because > the thing I'm building is not just a tool. Was the bloke who invented the wheel a Christian? -- Ian Collins
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-06 14:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <bb6b0063-326d-46a5-a141-cc342ea2d6cc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75188 |
Ian Collins wrote:
> Was the bloke who invented the wheel a Christian?
If you're interested, here's a video I recorded
about three years ago. If I recall correctly,
beginning around 30:00 to 35:00 into the video,
I begin explaining why I'm doing this.
http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/2012_12_08__01_vvmmc__and_vfrps_relationship_to_christianity.ogv
All my videos are downloadable here:
http://www.visual-freepro.org/videos/
In short: Jesus is returning soon to establish His
Kingdom forever. His ways are THE ways that will
exist forever. And His ways are right. The ways of
this world are in opposition to His ways, and whereas
I cannot change the world overnight, I can change
the way I operate in those areas I have control
over: namely these software endeavors. So, that
is what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> |
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| Date | 2015-11-07 13:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <MPG.30a80df07f6f0fe38d@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #75188 |
Ian Collins wrote: > > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > Malcolm McLean wrote: > >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > >>> Malcolm McLean wrote: > >>> > >>>> llc-win also has the merit of being actually implemented. It's a > >>>> released compiler that you can use for serious development. > >>> > >>> Excellent. Thank you, Malcom. I appreciate the assistance. > >>> > >> It's got garbage collection. > >> So you can have garbage collection in C Alive for free, if you use llc-win. > >> That might help you get something up and running. > > > > My goals are to create an offering for the Lord, one which is founded > > upon Him and the skills and talents He first gave me, as an offering > > given back to Him, and then also to mankind. > > > > To my knowledge, Jacob Navia is not a Christian. As such, I could > > not use any of his work to build the product I'm in pursuit of because > > the thing I'm building is not just a tool. > > Was the bloke who invented the wheel a Christian? Many, probably most, of the people who designed and built the microprocessor you are using are not Christian. It was probably designed in Israel.
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-07 14:00 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a082534e-9d87-4bf5-a4c0-0ea2a5cdad4c@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75294 |
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 4:33:31 PM UTC-5, Philip Lantz wrote:
> Ian Collins wrote:
> >
> > Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > > Malcolm McLean wrote:
> > >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > >>> Malcolm McLean wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> llc-win also has the merit of being actually implemented. It's a
> > >>>> released compiler that you can use for serious development.
> > >>>
> > >>> Excellent. Thank you, Malcom. I appreciate the assistance.
> > >>>
> > >> It's got garbage collection.
> > >> So you can have garbage collection in C Alive for free, if you use llc-win.
> > >> That might help you get something up and running.
> > >
> > > My goals are to create an offering for the Lord, one which is founded
> > > upon Him and the skills and talents He first gave me, as an offering
> > > given back to Him, and then also to mankind.
> > >
> > > To my knowledge, Jacob Navia is not a Christian. As such, I could
> > > not use any of his work to build the product I'm in pursuit of because
> > > the thing I'm building is not just a tool.
> >
> > Was the bloke who invented the wheel a Christian?
>
> Many, probably most, of the people who designed and built the microprocessor
> you are using are not Christian. It was probably designed in Israel.
I posted a request on the comp.arch group a while back asking if the
people who created the VIA Technologies CPUs were Christians or not.
They have used Biblical names for their CPU core designs, and even
some products (VIA "Eden" for example):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VIA_microprocessor_cores
I never heard a response from anyone at VIA.
-----
My desire all along has been to build from the complete ground up the
tools necessary to build a complete computer offered unto our Lord as
a product using the skills and talents He's given us, and to mankind.
To not do it for money, but to do what's right at all points, the best
design, the best features, the best possible materials, and so on, all
in pursuit of giving Him our best.
I would still like to do that, but I haven't found anyone else who is
interested in it. I was hoping on comp.arch that someone who's 75 yrs
old, who has retired from the semiconductor industry, who was there
from the 70s until they retired, who has enough money to pay for the
full ground-up designs and development, who is a born again Christian,
who can has the contacts to find other born again Christians who want
to help us build a fab, and so on... to produce an entire offering
from a group of people sitting down in an empty office, using our full
knowledge and skills to assemble together everything we need as that
foundational offering unto the Lord, to create the CPU, memory, chipset,
graphics, communication, sound, cases, keyboard, power supplies, and
then also the operating system and software, to produce a full product
that people can buy, one which is designed for God, to honor God, and
to be of help to our fellow man, from inception through to product.
I believe in God. I believe such a thing is possible. And for me and
others who are interested in hardware and software, this would be our
offering unto the Lord, and unto mankind. But then our spark would
trigger activity in other industries. People would begin doing the
same for kitchen appliances, and televisions, and game consoles, and
everything else that would be an offering for the Lord. They'd remove
"Grand Theft Auto" titles, and replace it with games that would be
entertaining and teaching in the way a holy-living Christian should be
in this world. No destruction, but helping.
All aspects of our lives could operate in this way. It begins with
each of us making this decision, and then moving forward with it. It
begins with each of us trusting in the Lord with our lives as Lord and
Savior, and then moving forward with it. It begins with each of us
coming to the end of ourselves, and turning away from evil, and turning
to the Lord and saying, "Here am I, Lord. Use me!" ... and then moving
forward with it.
I'm desiring to do just that ... anyone with me?
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 11:26 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <da7c47FjinnU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75300 |
Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > ----- > My desire all along has been to build from the complete ground up the > tools necessary to build a complete computer offered unto our Lord as > a product using the skills and talents He's given us, and to mankind. > To not do it for money, but to do what's right at all points, the best > design, the best features, the best possible materials, and so on, all > in pursuit of giving Him our best. You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of dollars such a project would require. -- Ian Collins
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-07 14:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d86d1fa1-70a9-4154-9f99-f4952a288b61@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75303 |
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 5:26:25 PM UTC-5, Ian Collins wrote: > Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > > > ----- > > My desire all along has been to build from the complete ground up the > > tools necessary to build a complete computer offered unto our Lord as > > a product using the skills and talents He's given us, and to mankind. > > To not do it for money, but to do what's right at all points, the best > > design, the best features, the best possible materials, and so on, all > > in pursuit of giving Him our best. > > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) God is in the masculine because that's how He's revealed Himself to us. The marriage we have here upon this Earth is an Earthly form of the marriage that will take place in Heaven, us (the church, the bride) to Him (the Bridegroom). It's why marriage is between a man and a woman only, and why, of course, the enemy is enticing marriage to mean something else -- that enemy desires to lead men falsely, to encourage them toward behavior which keeps them bound in the deceit of sin so they will grab hold of those lies and therefore never come to the truth, never pursue the truth because they pursue sin more than they desire to pursue the truth. > for the billions of > dollars such a project would require. It will be an inside-out operation. God has put this into my heart. I am moving forward. He has prepared other people in other places for their parts. We will come together if it's part of His plan. If not, then it will simply wind up being me in my life using my talents as best I can as a continuous offering unto Him, until the Day He calls me Home. God moves people from the inside. Our lives are not our own, and we (born again believers) are not alone in this world. We do not operate on our own, but we have a Shepherd who guides us, protects us, watches over us, protects us from the enemy, and moves us through the various courses we chart in this world, bringing us to the places that are part of our desires, His pleasure, and usually a combination of the two. God is not the God that the enemy has taught. He is revealed in His Son, Jesus Christ. We were still sinners when Jesus came to die for us. It was us, in our sin, in our rebellion, who were nailing Him to the cross, condemning the innocent to pay the price that was not His, yet for us. And it was not nails that kept Jesus on the cross. It was Love. Agape Love. A special kind of Godly Love because He has the desire to be with us forever in Heaven where He is. It's why He came, to save that which was lost. I pray you come to know Him, Ian. I would like to see you in Heaven. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-07 14:45 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <4bb65414-78af-4db5-945f-14ac145aabc7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75303 |
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:26:25 PM UTC, Ian Collins wrote: > > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of > dollars such a project would require. > For bonfire night, I made bonfire toffee and parking pigs. Rather than just buying them, I thouhgt it would be nice to make my own. To make toffee you take butter, sugar, evaporated milk, and treacle, heat them gently in a saucepan until mixed, then bring to a boil until a ball of the mixture quenched in cold water crystallises. So an entirely practical proposition. Now let's say it's decided that Carnation evaporated milk is satanic. We have to make our own. Now that's a bit of a nuisance, you have to heat milk at a low temperature for a long time to avoid boiling it. But say we then realise that the cows have been raised on a satanic farm. Now it's much more difficult. Grazing an accommodation for a single cow is a significant expense. Then it's revealed that the cattle cake for the cows comes from satanically-exploited African labourers. Now its difficult. Modern cows will starve if fed entirely on grass. They need high density food. But buying a chunk of an African plantation is a very challenging proposition. Especially since we're only trying to make toffee. I'd go as far as to say that's the limit, it's essentially impossible.
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-07 14:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <263bd270-79a3-464e-8ac3-6afd5d480a12@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75305 |
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 5:45:18 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 10:26:25 PM UTC, Ian Collins wrote:
> >
> > You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of
> > dollars such a project would require.
> >
> For bonfire night, I made bonfire toffee and parking pigs. Rather
> than just buying them, I thouhgt it would be nice to make my own.
>
> To make toffee you take butter, sugar, evaporated milk, and treacle,
> heat them gently in a saucepan until mixed, then bring to a boil
> until a ball of the mixture quenched in cold water crystallises.
> So an entirely practical proposition.
>
> Now let's say it's decided that Carnation evaporated milk is satanic.
> We have to make our own. Now that's a bit of a nuisance, you have to
> heat milk at a low temperature for a long time to avoid boiling
> it.
>
> But say we then realise that the cows have been raised on a satanic
> farm. Now it's much more difficult. Grazing an accommodation for
> a single cow is a significant expense.
>
> Then it's revealed that the cattle cake for the cows comes from
> satanically-exploited African labourers. Now its difficult. Modern
> cows will starve if fed entirely on grass. They need high density
> food. But buying a chunk of an African plantation is a very challenging proposition. Especially since we're only trying to make toffee.
> I'd go as far as to say that's the limit, it's essentially
> impossible.
You begin where you're able to move, and go forward. Other people do
the same. Before long, there are no more satanic farms because there
is a movement of people who seek to have a primary relationship with
God, who have received the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior, so that
there are Christian alternatives, and these are the ones receiving
the business from those who pursue God with their lives in this way,
in submission to Jesus Christ, and to God's Holy Spirit.
It's the same for all things.
Until men stand up and begin moving for the Lord, that movement will
never take place. But Biblical history has shown that when people
call upon the name of the Lord, things in that place change. The
evil that's there isn't allowed to remain for long. And whereas we
are in the end-times, approaching the truest end of the end-times,
the change this time will be a much more pronounced change than
there has been in the future because this is the enemy of this world's
"last hurrah." His time is over in very short order, and he knows it.
http://biblehub.com/revelation/12-12.htm
"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But
woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down
to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time
is short."
The enemy is "filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.
For those who are in Jesus Christ, we long for that day of His coming.
And until He does, we obey the Lord's prayer, "Thy Will be done on
Earth as it is in Heaven." In short, we move as He would have us move,
which is to say: for Him.
He is King of kings, Malcom. Lord of lords. The Living One. The One
who was, and is, and is to come. The Alpha and the Omega (beginning
and ending, first and last).
It's time for all who profess the name of Jesus Christ to stand up for
Him and make a joyous noise in this world unto His Holy Name. To
profess your King in this world of darkness and wanton lasciviousness
toward sin.
The King is coming soon! Until He does, we will move for Him in this
world. And all who are known to Him will move likewise, for His Holy
Spirit is upon us, and He is calling out to us from the inside-out.
We are His. And He is ours. And He will never forsake us, for He
is called Faithful and True (http://biblehub.com/revelation/19-11.htm).
His reward is with Him, and He will give to each according to their
works.
Revelation 22:12-13
http://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/22.htm
"12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
give every man according as his work shall be.
"13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first
and the last."
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My life for Him. In prayer. In submission. Ongoing. Until the Day
He Returns. It is the life of a born again Christian on this world,
for it is not "me" that lives, but Him living in me, giving me a view
on all things which is His view, and not just a worldly view. It's
why born again believers change ... God is with them. Always.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 14:05 +1300 |
| Subject | [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <da7lfnFjinnU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75305 |
Malcolm McLean wrote: > > Modern > cows will starve if fed entirely on grass. They need high density > food. Not in this part of the world they don't. -- Ian Collins
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 00:05 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <c59d9033-26e0-4e6d-8ad5-5c1e9abb558b@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75327 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:08 AM UTC, Ian Collins wrote: > Malcolm McLean wrote: > > > > Modern cows will starve if fed entirely on grass. They > > need high density food. > > Not in this part of the world they don't. > Those are probably beef cattle. Dairy cows, in Britain at least, are very highly bred, and they make so much milk that the metabolic demand cannot be satisfied by grass consumption alone.
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 21:44 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <da8gc4FjinnU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75336 |
Malcolm McLean wrote: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:08 AM UTC, Ian Collins wrote: >> Malcolm McLean wrote: >>> >>> Modern cows will starve if fed entirely on grass. They >>> need high density food. >> >> Not in this part of the world they don't. >> > Those are probably beef cattle. Most dairy and beef animals are grass fed here, we have plenty of it! That's what makes NZ dairy production amongst the most cost effective in the world (and our biggest dairy company the world's biggest milk product exporter). Some of the cows are rumoured to program in C in their spare time. -- Ian Collins
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| From | raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) |
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| Date | 2015-11-10 16:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <56421990.5844890@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #75337 |
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote: > Malcolm McLean wrote: > > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:08 AM UTC, Ian Collins wrote: > >> Malcolm McLean wrote: > >>> > >>> Modern cows will starve if fed entirely on grass. They > >>> need high density food. > >> > >> Not in this part of the world they don't. > >> > > Those are probably beef cattle. > > Most dairy and beef animals are grass fed here, we have plenty of it! > That's what makes NZ dairy production amongst the most cost effective in > the world (and our biggest dairy company the world's biggest milk > product exporter). Erm. Only because it's effectively a monopoly, and exports "milk" powder to China. In the civilised world, that's not called cheese. Richard
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| From | "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 07:06 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <da8vm2F1ul4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #75336 |
"Malcolm McLean" wrote: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:08 AM UTC, Ian Collins wrote: >> Malcolm McLean wrote: >> > >> > Modern cows will starve if fed entirely on grass. They >> > need high density food. >> >> Not in this part of the world they don't. >> > Those are probably beef cattle. > > Dairy cows, in Britain at least, are very highly bred, > and they make so much milk that the metabolic demand > cannot be satisfied by grass consumption alone. I can certify that cows of a few years ago, can and do, live on grass, water and a block of salt. I would be astonished if the current creatures that look like cows had been so modified that this was no longer true.
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| From | asetofsymbols@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 06:02 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <cdaf6ce1-6bde-46ba-8566-1c8010a5bf59@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75338 |
Sono arrivati al punto di ottenere delle mucche che devono essere munte ogni giorno altrimenti scoppiano ... (tranne che ho capito male) Si dovrebbe ritornare all'antico. La cosa + preoccupante e l'industria delle sementi come controllano la produzione alimentare con pericoli di inquinamento genetico
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 07:45 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <e3b241d0-25d0-4f1d-813d-9b20c02e2cc4@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75338 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:26 PM UTC, Osmium wrote: > "Malcolm McLean" wrote: > > > Dairy cows, in Britain at least, are very highly bred, > > and they make so much milk that the metabolic demand > > cannot be satisfied by grass consumption alone. > > I can certify that cows of a few years ago, can and do, live on grass, water > and a block of salt. > > I would be astonished if the current creatures that look like cows had been > so modified that this was no longer true. > You don't understand the power of genetics and selective breeding. Modern British dairy cattle will starve to death if the farmer tries to feed them on a grass only diet. The grass simply cannot provide enough nutrients to fulfil the demands of the udder for milk. They have to be fed cattle cake.
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 09:40 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <bafbd42a-54e3-463e-83b1-b47d2eb43e88@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75340 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:26 PM UTC, Osmium wrote: > > I would be astonished if the current creatures that look like cows had been > > so modified that this was no longer true. > > > You don't understand the power of genetics and selective > breeding. > Modern British dairy cattle will starve to death if the > farmer tries to feed them on a grass only diet. The > grass simply cannot provide enough nutrients to fulfil > the demands of the udder for milk. They have to be fed > cattle cake. Using man's knowledge of genetics in this way is wholly evil. It has no other trait. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 11:32 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <1ec8afcd-e92f-4950-a683-6e3138b10262@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75344 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:40:28 PM UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: > > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:26 PM UTC, Osmium wrote: > > > I would be astonished if the current creatures that look like cows had been > > > so modified that this was no longer true. > > > > > You don't understand the power of genetics and selective > > breeding. > > Modern British dairy cattle will starve to death if the > > farmer tries to feed them on a grass only diet. The > > grass simply cannot provide enough nutrients to fulfil > > the demands of the udder for milk. They have to be fed > > cattle cake. > > Using man's knowledge of genetics in this way is wholly evil. > It has no other trait. > I always drink milk from Jersey cows, partly for animal welfare reasons. But it's a mistake to project human feeling onto animals.
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 11:43 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <efd7d72d-067b-4a33-a986-649df3c8c3be@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #75350 |
On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:32:18 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:40:28 PM UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: > > > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:26 PM UTC, Osmium wrote: > > > > I would be astonished if the current creatures that look like cows had been > > > > so modified that this was no longer true. > > > > > > > You don't understand the power of genetics and selective > > > breeding. > > > Modern British dairy cattle will starve to death if the > > > farmer tries to feed them on a grass only diet. The > > > grass simply cannot provide enough nutrients to fulfil > > > the demands of the udder for milk. They have to be fed > > > cattle cake. > > > > Using man's knowledge of genetics in this way is wholly evil. > > It has no other trait. > > > I always drink milk from Jersey cows, partly for animal > welfare reasons. > But it's a mistake to project human feeling onto animals. My comment relates to the greed of the dairy farmers, that they would purposefully engineer animals that could not live in the wild on their own, for example. It is a slap in the face at all of God's creation, and a self-stepping-up by those farmers into a role that was never theirs. Wholly evil. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2015-11-08 21:14 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: [way OT] Re: What's the purpose of CAlive? |
| Message-ID | <n1oabo$78c$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #75354 |
On 08/11/15 20:43, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 2:32:18 PM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: >> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 5:40:28 PM UTC, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5, Malcolm McLean wrote: >>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 1:06:26 PM UTC, Osmium wrote: >>>>> I would be astonished if the current creatures that look like cows had been >>>>> so modified that this was no longer true. >>>>> >>>> You don't understand the power of genetics and selective >>>> breeding. >>>> Modern British dairy cattle will starve to death if the >>>> farmer tries to feed them on a grass only diet. The >>>> grass simply cannot provide enough nutrients to fulfil >>>> the demands of the udder for milk. They have to be fed >>>> cattle cake. >>> >>> Using man's knowledge of genetics in this way is wholly evil. >>> It has no other trait. >>> >> I always drink milk from Jersey cows, partly for animal >> welfare reasons. >> But it's a mistake to project human feeling onto animals. > > My comment relates to the greed of the dairy farmers, that they > would purposefully engineer animals that could not live in the > wild on their own, for example. It is a slap in the face at all > of God's creation, and a self-stepping-up by those farmers into > a role that was never theirs. > > Wholly evil. > Very few domesticated animals could live in the wild on their own. If humans were to suddenly be wiped out by some disease, most domesticated animal species would follow suit quite quickly. All dairy cows would be dead within a week or two as a result of not being milked. Sheep would survive longer, but be eliminated by dogs that have gone feral - which would then mostly die themselves after easy pray like sheep ran out. Some species would last many years, or even a few generations, but almost all would collapse sooner or later. This applies also to all the domesticated animals held by the Jews in the approximate timescale of the OT - although the situation is much more extreme in modern western society. Domestication is a symbioses - the animals (and plants - this applies to them too) are as dependent on humans as we are on them. I don't disagree that extreme breeding and "genetic optimisation" is a bad thing - I became a vegetarian partly after watching a documentary about attempts to breed pigs without legs and chickens without feathers. But is is naïve to think this is a new phenomena, or restricted to only some animals in some places - only the /degree/ of the selective breeding, and the specialisation of it, varies. If God created cows and sheep one day long ago, for the benefit of newly created humans, he made them unable to survive for long in the wild already at that point. All we have done since then is reduce that survival time. It is also completely and utterly ignorant and thoughtless to blame "greedy dairy farmers". Dairy farmers want more efficient and productive cows - because they need to make their milk as cheaply as possible to succeed in mass markets. Blame market economies, not just one small part of the system.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2015-11-07 15:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <ln37wh1k8v.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #75303 |
Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> writes:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
[...]
> You'd better start by asking "him" (why not "her"?) for the billions of
> dollars such a project would require.
Ian, please don't feed the troll (or whatever he is).
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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