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Firefox improvements.

Started by"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
First post2015-10-08 07:55 +0200
Last post2015-10-13 21:42 +0200
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  Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-08 07:55 +0200
    Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-08 07:57 +0200
      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-08 08:01 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2015-10-09 01:08 -0700
          Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-10 13:08 +0200
            Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-10 13:09 +0200
      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-11 19:03 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 13:13 -0400
          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-11 19:55 +0100
            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 16:02 -0400
              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-11 21:45 +0100
                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-11 17:01 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-11 22:18 +0000
                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 18:45 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-11 18:03 -0500
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 19:24 -0400
                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-11 21:07 -0400
                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:53 +0100
              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:50 +0100
            Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-11 17:13 -0500
              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:55 +0100
              Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 01:08 -0500
                Re: Firefox improvements. Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 11:53 -0700
                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-19 16:58 -0400
                    Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-19 14:32 -0700
                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-19 18:26 -0400
                        Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-20 07:55 -0700
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-20 16:35 +0100
            Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-11 20:51 -0400
              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 21:05 -0400
              Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-12 01:08 +0000
              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 03:59 +0100
                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-11 23:08 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 04:41 +0100
                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 00:16 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 00:37 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 05:46 +0100
                        Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 00:56 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 06:18 +0100
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:22 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 08:44 +0100
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:23 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 08:47 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 03:59 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 09:14 +0100
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-12 12:08 +0100
                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 08:59 -0400
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:25 +0100
                                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:20 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:27 +0000
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 11:20 +0100
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:01 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:16 -0700
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 23:27 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-15 21:41 +0200
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 22:43 +0000
                                                Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-16 04:44 +0200
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 07:51 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-16 08:27 -0700
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 13:21 -0400
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2015-10-13 11:31 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2015-10-13 08:45 -0700
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:03 +0000
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 17:46 +0100
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 13:10 -0400
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-12 20:01 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-13 00:44 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 12:25 -0400
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-13 16:40 +0000
                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 13:02 -0400
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 18:16 +0100
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-13 11:32 -0600
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:53 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:27 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-14 01:45 +0000
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 21:58 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-14 02:13 +0000
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:29 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-15 01:46 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 01:01 +0000
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:16 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 01:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 22:07 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:22 -0400
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:19 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:51 +0100
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 12:59 +0000
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:09 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 13:18 +0000
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:29 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:30 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:31 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:09 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 22:47 +0000
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 21:22 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. JW <none@dev.null> - 2015-10-16 06:14 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:09 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:07 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 16:24 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-15 22:50 +0000
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:02 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 17:12 +0100
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:50 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 18:01 +0100
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 20:06 -0400
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Jakob Bohm <jb-usenet@wisemo.com> - 2015-10-16 02:37 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 07:32 +0200
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-15 14:05 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 19:10 +0100
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-15 14:46 -0400
                                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-15 21:28 +0200
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-16 00:19 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 21:31 -0400
                                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-15 17:51 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-16 01:41 +0000
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-14 20:35 -0600
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-15 21:53 +0200
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:18 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:46 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-15 09:18 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-14 02:13 +0000
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-13 21:32 -0600
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 00:21 -0400
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:30 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:09 -0400
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 13:20 +0100
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 09:07 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-14 04:49 +0000
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 00:56 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-13 22:39 -0700
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 08:40 +0100
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-14 15:01 -0600
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 19:13 -0400
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:33 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 19:15 -0400
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:42 +0100
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:32 -0400
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 13:26 -0500
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 07:48 +0200
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-21 02:09 -0700
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-21 11:10 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-21 03:45 -0700
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-21 13:05 +0100
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-21 11:25 -0500
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 07:53 +0200
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 18:45 +0100
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 15:47 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 22:17 +0100
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 21:59 +0000
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:35 -0400
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-13 22:28 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 04:00 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 23:10 -0400
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 04:19 +0100
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 00:15 -0400
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 08:29 +0100
                                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:39 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:10 -0400
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:24 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 22:31 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:16 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 16:25 -0400
                                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 08:03 +0200
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 22:50 -0400
                                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-15 12:19 -0400
                                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 22:26 -0400
                                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 22:38 -0400
                                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:20 +0100
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-13 22:54 -0500
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-14 04:24 +0000
                                                                Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:47 -0400
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 23:01 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:44 -0400
                                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-14 21:11 -0400
                                                              Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 22:26 -0400
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:48 +0000
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-10-13 13:24 -0600
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 22:23 +0100
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:36 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:59 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 20:35 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 02:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-13 18:54 -0700
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-14 04:05 +0100
                                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:52 -0400
                                                    Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-14 20:49 -0400
                                                      Re: Firefox improvements. "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-14 23:07 -0500
                                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-15 07:12 -0400
                                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-15 12:58 +0100
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 20:49 -0400
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 12:26 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-13 03:02 +0000
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 12:19 -0500
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-16 17:17 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-20 22:13 -0500
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:13 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 15:04 +0000
                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:30 -0400
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:43 +0000
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:29 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 08:53 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 08:50 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:18 +0100
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2015-10-12 16:50 +0200
                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:12 -0400
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 17:33 +0100
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:32 +0000
                                    Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-10-12 21:20 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 21:43 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 08:03 +0200
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 07:18 -0400
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 07:28 +0100
                                      Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 10:16 +0100
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-13 04:35 -0700
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 12:57 +0100
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 13:29 +0100
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-13 14:41 +0200
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 13:53 +0100
                                                Re: Firefox improvements. David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-13 16:24 +0200
                                        Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 16:12 +0000
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2015-10-13 16:39 +0000
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:51 +0000
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:55 -0400
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:47 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-13 18:13 +0100
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 19:03 +0000
                                              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-13 22:57 -0400
                                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-13 22:02 +0100
                                            Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-13 22:04 +0000
                                Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 12:15 -0400
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:37 +0000
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 12:46 -0400
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Brian Gladman <blindanagram@nowhere.net> - 2015-10-12 18:01 +0100
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 13:14 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 15:12 +0000
                                Re: Firefox improvements. glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-13 03:06 +0000
                                  Re: Firefox improvements. krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-10-13 12:28 -0400
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:30 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-11 23:58 -0700
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 09:01 +0100
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 08:54 -0400
                              Re: Firefox improvements. Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-10-12 14:24 +0100
                                Re: Firefox improvements. Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-12 07:07 -0700
                              Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 13:02 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-12 15:24 +0000
                Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 00:18 -0400
                Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 16:31 -0500
              Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-16 15:55 -0500
                Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-16 17:33 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-17 01:32 +0000
                    Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 01:12 -0400
                      Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-17 12:53 -0400
                        Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-17 19:32 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 20:29 -0700
                            Re: Firefox improvements. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-10-18 08:10 +0000
                          Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 11:08 -0500
                            Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 17:15 -0400
                          Re: Firefox improvements. James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-18 12:42 -0400
                  Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-17 10:01 +0200
                  Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 00:34 -0500
                    Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-10-18 11:55 -0400
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-18 17:13 -0400
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-19 06:47 -0400
                    Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Neon John <no@never.com> - 2015-10-18 13:25 -0400
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-18 16:18 -0700
                      Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-19 18:37 -0500
                    Re: Trusting password managers [Re: Firefox improvements.] Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-19 11:54 -0700
            Re: Firefox improvements. rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-12 05:52 +0000
              Re: Firefox improvements. DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-12 02:35 -0400
                Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 01:07 -0500
                  Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 08:16 +0200
                    Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] David Malone <dwmalone@walton.maths.tcd.ie> - 2015-10-21 15:54 +0000
                      Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-10-21 11:57 -0400
                    Re: Password crackers are not naive [Was: Firefox improvements.] dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) - 2015-10-21 11:17 -0700
            Re: Firefox improvements. Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-15 10:38 -0700
          Re: Firefox improvements. Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-12 09:56 +0200
            Re: Firefox improvements. Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2015-10-18 01:25 -0500
        Re: Firefox improvements. fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 00:32 -0700
        Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 08:47 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 09:17 +0200
        Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-21 09:36 +0200
    Re: Firefox improvements. bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 23:07 +0200
      Re: Firefox improvements. "Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 21:42 +0200

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#72175 — Firefox improvements.

From"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-08 07:55 +0200
SubjectFirefox improvements.
Message-ID<a333b$56160567$d47876e2$30622@news.ziggo.nl>
1. No pop-ups what's so ever: meaning: no fokking confirmation windows for 
fullscreen, resend info, no asking if I want to remember e-mail address 
and/or passwords.

2. No remembering of login names and/or addresses... too dangerous that 
similar look websites try to confuse you and get your password by you 
accidently entering it.

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#72176

From"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-08 07:57 +0200
Message-ID<c36c0$561605ab$d47876e2$30811@news.ziggo.nl>
In reply to#72175
Example of this:

Intel's shitty website looks exactly like hotmail login screen... only 
slight different... same colors, same organization.

Intel is clearly trying to hack hotmail accounts.

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#72177

From"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-08 08:01 +0200
Message-ID<8794b$561606b5$d47876e2$31695@news.ziggo.nl>
In reply to#72176
There ya go for evidence...

http://www.skybuck.org/TooSimilar/TooSimilar.png

Cut and paste together... in reality... it's more white space around it....

Combined with firefox and same account names... it's easy to make this 
mistake... and enter hotmail password into intel site or vice versa !

Dangerous ! 

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#72241

FromRobert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com>
Date2015-10-09 01:08 -0700
Message-ID<LBKRx.82288$3T2.46141@fx29.iad>
In reply to#72177
Skybuck Flying wrote:
> There ya go for evidence...
>
> http://www.skybuck.org/TooSimilar/TooSimilar.png
>
> Cut and paste together... in reality... it's more white space around it....
>
> Combined with firefox and same account names... it's easy to make this
> mistake... and enter hotmail password into intel site or vice versa !
>
> Dangerous !
   You forgot how to READ?

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#72386

From"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-10 13:08 +0200
Message-ID<e5468$5618f1c0$d47876e2$5525@news.ziggo.nl>
In reply to#72241

"Robert Baer"  wrote in message news:LBKRx.82288$3T2.46141@fx29.iad...

Skybuck Flying wrote:
> There ya go for evidence...
>
> http://www.skybuck.org/TooSimilar/TooSimilar.png
>
> Cut and paste together... in reality... it's more white space around 
> it....
>
> Combined with firefox and same account names... it's easy to make this
> mistake... and enter hotmail password into intel site or vice versa !
>
> Dangerous !

"
  You forgot how to READ?
"

No when very busy and having multiple web browsers open... I intend to focus 
on center parts of the screen... and certain items I don't even notice 
anymore... like blind spots...

I just see: "blue" and "white boxes".

Bye,
  Skybuck. 

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#72387

From"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-10 13:09 +0200
Message-ID<93186$5618f200$d47876e2$5813@news.ziggo.nl>
In reply to#72386
Perhaps lack of sleep and/or tiredness also plays a roll.

Perhaps part of the visual cortex of the brain shuts down :)

Bye,
  Skybuck =D

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#72490

From"Skybuck Flying" <skybuck2000@hotmail.com>
Date2015-10-11 19:03 +0200
Message-ID<263cd$561a967a$d47876e2$46985@news.ziggo.nl>
In reply to#72176
Oh and by the way...

The intel community website... has the most annoying password requirements 
ever !!!

It must be 8 to 15 characters..
must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a 
special character ?!

wtf ?!

This will not make it more secure at all... because people will probably put 
the special requirements at the back !

It's fokking stupid !

Bye,
  Skybuck. 

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#72491

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-11 13:13 -0400
Message-ID<s46l1b1q5sbqff3lgitvqprbvk1mdqg4ad@4ax.com>
In reply to#72490
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:03:56 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
<skybuck2000@hotmail.com> Gave us:

>Oh and by the way...
>
>The intel community website... has the most annoying password requirements 
>ever !!!

  You're a goddamned idiot, child.
>
>It must be 8 to 15 characters..
>must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a 
>special character ?!
>
>wtf ?!

  And now you show just how stupid you really are as it relates to
secure login crypto.  More folks use the site for real business purpose,
and only childish idiots like you are too stupid to know what is going
on.
>
>This will not make it more secure at all... because people will probably put 
>the special requirements at the back !

  It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search hacking
better.

  Grow the fuck up, you cross-posting retarded little piece of Usenet
troll dumbfuck.

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#72500

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-10-11 19:55 +0100
Message-ID<mveb7b$9sd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72491
On 11/10/15 18:13, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:03:56 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
> <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> Gave us:
>
>> Oh and by the way...
>>
>> The intel community website... has the most annoying password requirements
>> ever !!!
>
>    You're a goddamned idiot, child.
>>
>> It must be 8 to 15 characters..
>> must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a
>> special character ?!
>>
>> wtf ?!
>
>    And now you show just how stupid you really are as it relates to
> secure login crypto.  More folks use the site for real business purpose,
> and only childish idiots like you are too stupid to know what is going
> on.
>>
>> This will not make it more secure at all... because people will probably put
>> the special requirements at the back !
>
>    It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search hacking
> better.

Assume an 8-character password, with legal characters [A-Z][a-z][0-9]. 
There are 218340105584896 such passwords, but 53459728531456 of them 
have no digits. Thus, even ignoring the upper/lower case rule, an 
adversary can eliminate almost a quarter of the search space (24.48+%). 
Even with 15-character passwords, around 7% of the search space can be 
ignored. And that's not even including the lower/upper case rule.

Could you please explain how "having fewer candidate keys to test" is 
harder than "having more candidate keys to test"?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#72511

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-11 16:02 -0400
Message-ID<92gl1b9ms3670hoofk13bbnuecbveqivt3@4ax.com>
In reply to#72500
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:55:34 +0100, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Gave us:

>On 11/10/15 18:13, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:03:56 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
>> <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> Gave us:
>>
>>> Oh and by the way...
>>>
>>> The intel community website... has the most annoying password requirements
>>> ever !!!
>>
>>    You're a goddamned idiot, child.
>>>
>>> It must be 8 to 15 characters..
>>> must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a
>>> special character ?!
>>>
>>> wtf ?!
>>
>>    And now you show just how stupid you really are as it relates to
>> secure login crypto.  More folks use the site for real business purpose,
>> and only childish idiots like you are too stupid to know what is going
>> on.
>>>
>>> This will not make it more secure at all... because people will probably put
>>> the special requirements at the back !
>>
>>    It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search hacking
>> better.
>
>Assume an 8-character password, with legal characters [A-Z][a-z][0-9]. 
>There are 218340105584896 such passwords, but 53459728531456 of them 
>have no digits. Thus, even ignoring the upper/lower case rule, an 
>adversary can eliminate almost a quarter of the search space (24.48+%). 
>Even with 15-character passwords, around 7% of the search space can be 
>ignored. And that's not even including the lower/upper case rule.
>
>Could you please explain how "having fewer candidate keys to test" is 
>harder than "having more candidate keys to test"?

  Maybe you are illiterate.  Note that I said that the longer string is
harder, not easier.

  And the list of available characters is longer as well, therefore the
permutation count is much bigger.  The "legal character" list is bigger,
therefore the number of permutations is greater.

  Perhaps you meant to answer HIS post, not mine.

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#72514

FromBartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2015-10-11 21:45 +0100
Message-ID<mvehmc$33o$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72511
On 11/10/2015 21:02, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:

>> On 11/10/15 18:13, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:03:56 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"

>>>> It must be 8 to 15 characters..
>>>> must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a
>>>> special character ?!
>>>>
>>>> wtf ?!

>>>
>>>     It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search hacking
>>> better.

>    Maybe you are illiterate.  Note that I said that the longer string is
> harder, not easier.
>
>    And the list of available characters is longer as well, therefore the
> permutation count is much bigger.  The "legal character" list is bigger,
> therefore the number of permutations is greater.

In theory the number of permutations is larger. But adding special 
requirements could conceivably make it easier to guess.

For example, given that there needs to be a mix of upper and lower case, 
many people will just have a capital at the start. If a digit is needed, 
some just stick '1' at the end. Then a likely pattern is A-Z followed by 
lower-case letters followed by 1.

When the requirements require even more hoops such as needing a symbol, 
then the password is so hard to remember that people will avoid changing 
it for as long as possible, or they just use a pattern such as A&1 at 
the start to satisfy them, then they will use the same password as before.

-- 
Bartc

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#72515

Fromkrw <krw@nowhere.com>
Date2015-10-11 17:01 -0400
Message-ID<fgjl1b1n8tl5u3e9c575nubkn0gjh31cr8@4ax.com>
In reply to#72514
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:45:59 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

>On 11/10/2015 21:02, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>
>>> On 11/10/15 18:13, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:03:56 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
>
>>>>> It must be 8 to 15 characters..
>>>>> must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a
>>>>> special character ?!
>>>>>
>>>>> wtf ?!
>
>>>>
>>>>     It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search hacking
>>>> better.
>
>>    Maybe you are illiterate.  Note that I said that the longer string is
>> harder, not easier.
>>
>>    And the list of available characters is longer as well, therefore the
>> permutation count is much bigger.  The "legal character" list is bigger,
>> therefore the number of permutations is greater.
>
>In theory the number of permutations is larger. But adding special 
>requirements could conceivably make it easier to guess.
>
>For example, given that there needs to be a mix of upper and lower case, 
>many people will just have a capital at the start. If a digit is needed, 
>some just stick '1' at the end. Then a likely pattern is A-Z followed by 
>lower-case letters followed by 1.
>
>When the requirements require even more hoops such as needing a symbol, 
>then the password is so hard to remember that people will avoid changing 
>it for as long as possible, or they just use a pattern such as A&1 at 
>the start to satisfy them, then they will use the same password as before.

Or write it on a Post-It stuck to the corner of the monitor.

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#72528

FromWilliam Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca>
Date2015-10-11 22:18 +0000
Message-ID<mven6p$m01$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72515
On 2015-10-11, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:45:59 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
....
>>
>>When the requirements require even more hoops such as needing a symbol, 
>>then the password is so hard to remember that people will avoid changing 
>>it for as long as possible, or they just use a pattern such as A&1 at 
>>the start to satisfy them, then they will use the same password as before.
>
> Or write it on a Post-It stuck to the corner of the monitor.

Depends on the attacker. If it is someone in China, the password on the
postit note is fine. If it is an office mate, not so fine. 

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#72530

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-11 18:45 -0400
Message-ID<ejpl1b9d9qimo6votfi6frmnmj4n1teiv9@4ax.com>
In reply to#72528
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:18:02 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
<unruh@invalid.ca> Gave us:

>On 2015-10-11, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:45:59 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>....
>>>
>>>When the requirements require even more hoops such as needing a symbol, 
>>>then the password is so hard to remember that people will avoid changing 
>>>it for as long as possible, or they just use a pattern such as A&1 at 
>>>the start to satisfy them, then they will use the same password as before.
>>
>> Or write it on a Post-It stuck to the corner of the monitor.
>
>Depends on the attacker. If it is someone in China, the password on the
>postit note is fine. If it is an office mate, not so fine. 

  Absolute cause for dismissal in a gov contracted lab setting.

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#72532

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2015-10-11 18:03 -0500
Message-ID<d8085mFiadgU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#72530
"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:18:02 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
> <unruh@invalid.ca> Gave us:
>
>>On 2015-10-11, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:45:59 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>....
>>>>
>>>>When the requirements require even more hoops such as needing a symbol,
>>>>then the password is so hard to remember that people will avoid changing
>>>>it for as long as possible, or they just use a pattern such as A&1 at
>>>>the start to satisfy them, then they will use the same password as 
>>>>before.
>>>
>>> Or write it on a Post-It stuck to the corner of the monitor.
>>
>>Depends on the attacker. If it is someone in China, the password on the
>>postit note is fine. If it is an office mate, not so fine.
>
>  Absolute cause for dismissal in a gov contracted lab setting.

If those computers have functional USB ports the directory of security and 
his boss should be fired. 

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#72536

FromDecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org>
Date2015-10-11 19:24 -0400
Message-ID<pprl1b56nocfilktsm0a9nucq7tooolict@4ax.com>
In reply to#72532
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 18:03:17 -0500, "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Gave us:

>"DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno" wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:18:02 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
>> <unruh@invalid.ca> Gave us:
>>
>>>On 2015-10-11, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:45:59 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>....
>>>>>
>>>>>When the requirements require even more hoops such as needing a symbol,
>>>>>then the password is so hard to remember that people will avoid changing
>>>>>it for as long as possible, or they just use a pattern such as A&1 at
>>>>>the start to satisfy them, then they will use the same password as 
>>>>>before.
>>>>
>>>> Or write it on a Post-It stuck to the corner of the monitor.
>>>
>>>Depends on the attacker. If it is someone in China, the password on the
>>>postit note is fine. If it is an office mate, not so fine.
>>
>>  Absolute cause for dismissal in a gov contracted lab setting.
>
>If those computers have functional USB ports the directory of security and 
>his boss should be fired. 

  Does not matter.  We were not even allowed into the lab with a memory
device, or even a phone containing a camera.  There were lock boxes
outside the lab for depositing phones into if you forgot to leave it in
your locker.

  And no water fountains either.  :-)

  We had labs in which you were not even allowed to have a writing
utensil or paper on your person when you entered.

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#72544

Fromkrw <krw@nowhere.com>
Date2015-10-11 21:07 -0400
Message-ID<5s1m1bpg7alhtcqinlbf8ic9ufkd6uh85g@4ax.com>
In reply to#72528
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:18:02 +0000 (UTC), William Unruh
<unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:

>On 2015-10-11, krw <krw@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:45:59 +0100, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>....
>>>
>>>When the requirements require even more hoops such as needing a symbol, 
>>>then the password is so hard to remember that people will avoid changing 
>>>it for as long as possible, or they just use a pattern such as A&1 at 
>>>the start to satisfy them, then they will use the same password as before.
>>
>> Or write it on a Post-It stuck to the corner of the monitor.
>
>Depends on the attacker. If it is someone in China, the password on the
>postit note is fine. If it is an office mate, not so fine. 

It might not have been the office mate but it will be if you leave
your wallet open on the desk.

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#72557

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-10-12 03:53 +0100
Message-ID<mvf76q$qbg$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72514
On 11/10/15 21:45, Bartc wrote:
> On 11/10/2015 21:02, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>
>>> On 11/10/15 18:13, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:03:56 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
>
>>>>> It must be 8 to 15 characters..
>>>>> must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a
>>>>> special character ?!
>>>>>
>>>>> wtf ?!
>
>>>>
>>>>     It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search
>>>> hacking
>>>> better.
>
>>    Maybe you are illiterate.  Note that I said that the longer string is
>> harder, not easier.
>>
>>    And the list of available characters is longer as well, therefore the
>> permutation count is much bigger.  The "legal character" list is bigger,
>> therefore the number of permutations is greater.
>
> In theory the number of permutations is larger.

No, in theory and in practice, there are more permutations of 8-15 
characters than there are of 8-15 characters containing at least one 
digit and a mix of upper and lower case.

> But adding special
> requirements could conceivably make it easier to guess.

If by "could conceivably" you mean "does" and if by "guess" you mean 
brute force (which is the context of my reply), you are right.

<snip>

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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#72556

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-10-12 03:50 +0100
Message-ID<mvf71o$qbg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#72511
On 11/10/15 21:02, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:55:34 +0100, Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
> Gave us:
>
>> On 11/10/15 18:13, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno wrote:
>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 19:03:56 +0200, "Skybuck Flying"
>>> <skybuck2000@hotmail.com> Gave us:
>>>
>>>> Oh and by the way...
>>>>
>>>> The intel community website... has the most annoying password requirements
>>>> ever !!!
>>>
>>>     You're a goddamned idiot, child.
>>>>
>>>> It must be 8 to 15 characters..
>>>> must contain lower and upper and a fokking digit or something and/or a
>>>> special character ?!
>>>>
>>>> wtf ?!
>>>
>>>     And now you show just how stupid you really are as it relates to
>>> secure login crypto.  More folks use the site for real business purpose,
>>> and only childish idiots like you are too stupid to know what is going
>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> This will not make it more secure at all... because people will probably put
>>>> the special requirements at the back !
>>>
>>>     It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search hacking
>>> better.
>>
>> Assume an 8-character password, with legal characters [A-Z][a-z][0-9].
>> There are 218340105584896 such passwords, but 53459728531456 of them
>> have no digits. Thus, even ignoring the upper/lower case rule, an
>> adversary can eliminate almost a quarter of the search space (24.48+%).
>> Even with 15-character passwords, around 7% of the search space can be
>> ignored. And that's not even including the lower/upper case rule.
>>
>> Could you please explain how "having fewer candidate keys to test" is
>> harder than "having more candidate keys to test"?
>
>    Maybe you are illiterate.  Note that I said that the longer string is
> harder, not easier.

I don't think I'm illiterate, although I would certainly welcome your 
views. But you actually said:

 >>>     It doesn't matter, idiot.  It still foils brute force search 
hacking
 >>> better.

The only "it" to which you could be referring in the text that I have 
available is the rule that characters must contain at least one upper 
case character, one lower case character, and one digit, as well as 
being in the range 8-15 characters long. It is not clear to me how 
ABCDeFGHIJ is "longer" than ABCDEFGHIJ. If you would care to explain 
that, I would be most grateful.

>    And the list of available characters is longer as well, therefore the
> permutation count is much bigger.  The "legal character" list is bigger,
> therefore the number of permutations is greater.

The number of strings of length 8-15 is considerably greater than the 
number of strings of length 8-15 with at least one upper case letter, at 
least one lower case letter, and at least one digit. Adding the 
restrictions reduces the list of available characters. It does not 
increase the list.

>    Perhaps you meant to answer HIS post, not mine.

No, I don't believe so. I was responding to the incorrect claim that 
reducing the key search space makes brute force more difficult, which it 
doesn't. It makes /dictionary/ attacks easier, but not brute force.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#72524

From"Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Date2015-10-11 17:13 -0500
Message-ID<d80596Fhl5bU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#72500
"Richard Heathfield" wrote:

> Assume an 8-character password, with legal characters [A-Z][a-z][0-9]. 
> There are 218340105584896 such passwords, but 53459728531456 of them have 
> no digits. Thus, even ignoring the upper/lower case rule, an adversary can 
> eliminate almost a quarter of the search space (24.48+%). Even with 
> 15-character passwords, around 7% of the search space can be ignored. And 
> that's not even including the lower/upper case rule.

Every time Comcast has assigned and given me a password over the phone, it 
has always been two four-character words concatenated.  This works 
beautifully for two people communicating over a telephone.

A string of 8 lower-case letters  would have 26^8 or 2e11 combinations.

Because of vowels and stuff, google says there are only 1e6 English words, 
and only part of them have four letters so what Comcast assigns must be 
pretty trivial to break, especially if my guess as to its composition is 
right

I estimate the market value of my password at much less than three cents, 
but Hilary Clinton's password should be worth at least $100K. 

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