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| Started by | "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2015-09-16 06:18 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-09-17 17:06 +0200 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 138 — 21 participants |
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Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 06:18 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-16 17:06 +1200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 08:00 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-16 09:00 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 02:03 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-16 11:20 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:08 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-16 13:26 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 17:47 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 15:41 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-17 07:06 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 16:22 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-16 23:13 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 15:35 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-16 18:12 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 13:18 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 08:47 -0700
Re: Quoting Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 20:30 +0200
Re: Quoting Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 11:41 -0700
Re: Quoting Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 20:53 +0200
Re: Quoting Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 12:19 -0700
Re: Quoting Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 21:49 +0200
Re: Quoting Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 13:24 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-16 18:14 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:22 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-16 18:29 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:31 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-16 12:48 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 18:56 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-16 13:09 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 23:41 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-16 18:05 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 12:13 -0500
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 10:13 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 14:01 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 10:02 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 13:53 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 14:10 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 10:33 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:40 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 12:50 -0500
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:55 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-16 13:57 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 11:02 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 20:50 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 12:20 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-16 23:33 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-16 17:52 -0400
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 00:03 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 15:21 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 00:30 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 00:26 +0100
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-16 21:24 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 05:48 +0100
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:16 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 17:00 +0100
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-17 11:23 -0700
MSVC deprecation (was Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 23:31 -0700
Re: MSVC deprecation (was Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet) Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-17 07:33 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-17 11:46 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-17 22:26 +1200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-17 11:17 +0000
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-17 13:33 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 13:56 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-17 14:20 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-09-17 13:28 +0100
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-17 15:18 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-17 13:34 +0000
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-17 12:29 +0000
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-17 05:34 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 14:48 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-17 08:52 -0400
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-17 08:50 -0400
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-17 12:57 +0000
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 13:52 +0100
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 07:13 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 07:42 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 07:55 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-09-18 05:51 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-16 16:27 -0400
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-16 23:35 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 00:36 +0100
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 08:09 +0200
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 07:59 +0100
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-17 01:13 -0700
Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-09-17 13:08 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-16 23:22 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-09-17 08:57 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-17 15:28 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-17 09:45 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-09-17 22:56 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-18 10:19 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 23:01 -0500
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-18 10:20 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-18 09:23 +0100
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-09-18 14:08 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-18 08:48 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2015-09-18 16:44 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-09-18 17:33 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Lowell Gilbert <lgusenet@be-well.ilk.org> - 2015-09-19 21:12 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-09-21 09:10 +0000
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-21 09:16 +0000
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 08:34 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 09:33 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 10:43 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 12:29 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 13:10 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 13:42 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 14:04 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-16 14:34 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 15:01 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-09-16 22:26 -0400
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-09-17 13:46 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 12:48 +0100
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-09-19 12:40 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-09-21 09:14 +0000
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-21 06:13 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-21 17:39 +0100
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-02 13:21 +0000
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-02 13:25 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-10-04 13:51 +0000
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-04 15:45 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-09-16 21:39 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-17 00:42 +0100
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2015-09-24 07:34 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 23:55 -0500
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 13:03 -0500
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-16 19:31 +1200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 11:06 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-16 21:17 +1200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 11:56 +0200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 08:59 -0700
Re: "gcc" on OS X Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-16 21:43 +0200
Re: "gcc" on OS X Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-09-16 13:20 -0700
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-17 08:25 +1200
Re: Compiling C project for Windows and Mac OS X (GCC for Linux) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-09-17 11:21 +0000
Re: gcc not a symlink on Mac OS X Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-09-17 17:06 +0200
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 11:46 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mte21q$eka$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70734 |
On 17/09/15 00:03, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > On 16.09.2015 23:52, James Kuyper wrote: >> On 09/16/2015 05:33 PM, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > [...] >>> It might very well be that Jacob thinks he has a point but doesn't >>> understand what he's talking about. >> >> What he said is very relevant, if true. If you think he was wrong about >> something, you'd go much farther in advancing your argument by pointing >> specifically what he's wrong about, and providing supporting evidence. >> >> So far, all you've done is try to smear him with guilt by association, >> rather than addressing the truth or falsity of what he's said. That >> tells me two things: you don't have evidence that what he's said is >> wrong, or you would have presented that evidence. And it tells me that >> you don't let the fact that you don't have a relevant argument stop you >> from arguing irrelevancies. >> >> Are those fact really ones that you want to broadcast to the general >> public? My opinion of you has dropped precipitously because of this >> exchange, and it looks like I'm not the only one who feels that way. > > Well every individual and every organization have the freedom to do > what they do, but they are also accountable for their actions. > > Small things do matter, and seeing how MS handled the web and browsers, > it wouldn't surprise me they were underhanded when it came to C as well. Look, no one is suggesting that MS do a good job of following standards - they are well known for doing exactly the opposite, even in cases where they wrote the standards in question. That's not the point here. The issue is that you accused (by strong implication) Jacob of being a paid Microsoft astroturfer, or at the very least of lying for personal commercial interests. > > I found Jacobs reply to be unintelligent and that might be because he > is naive & not smart or because he isn't what he pretends to be. That's > why I asked. > I don't think you are in a position to judge Jacob's abilities or motives - if you were, you would not have come to that conclusion. Occasionally Jacob's posts sound a bit odd, or have unusual wording - as has been pointed out, English is his second language and while he writes better than some people who have English as their first language, sometimes the words he uses does not mean exactly what he intended to mean. But as far as I can see, that is not the case here. And you did /not/ ask if he had an ulterior motive for making the post - your wording was a clear accusation of unethical behaviour. It is fine to suggest that posters here are biased or opinionated, or simply wrong - we all are, from time to time. But one does not accuse, even by implication, another person of corruption or lying without very strong evidence - and you have none. As Richard has said, you owe Jacob an apology, and then we can leave this all behind.
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 22:26 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <d5viq4FbqqoU9@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #70734 |
Morten W. Petersen wrote: > > I found Jacobs reply to be unintelligent and that might be because he > is naive & not smart or because he isn't what he pretends to be. That's > why I asked. I'd just like to add my voice to those who say that you owe Jacob an apology for your comment. Until today I'd always thought of AstroTurf as something totally unsuitable for for rugby and therefore useless, so I missed the insult... -- Ian Collins
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 11:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mte7h0$5p0$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #70787 |
In article <d5viq4FbqqoU9@mid.individual.net>, Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote: >Morten W. Petersen wrote: >> >> I found Jacobs reply to be unintelligent and that might be because he >> is naive & not smart or because he isn't what he pretends to be. That's >> why I asked. > >I'd just like to add my voice to those who say that you owe Jacob an >apology for your comment. This whole thread is absafookin hilarious! Please, keep it coming! There are so many aspects of absurdity here, that I could be writing for days, but let me just say that the notion of the in-group clique here defending Jacob is just funny on so many levels. -- Shikata ga nai...
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:33 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mte8b0$667$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70793 |
On 17/09/15 13:17, Kenny McCormack wrote: > In article <d5viq4FbqqoU9@mid.individual.net>, > Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Morten W. Petersen wrote: >>> >>> I found Jacobs reply to be unintelligent and that might be because he >>> is naive & not smart or because he isn't what he pretends to be. That's >>> why I asked. >> >> I'd just like to add my voice to those who say that you owe Jacob an >> apology for your comment. > > This whole thread is absafookin hilarious! Please, keep it coming! > > There are so many aspects of absurdity here, that I could be writing for > days, but let me just say that the notion of the in-group clique here > defending Jacob is just funny on so many levels. > A lot of the regulars (the "in-group clique") have disagreed with Jacob on a number of issues. But he is still a person - and so we make it clear that personal attacks and accusations are not acceptable. People would do the same for all sorts of unreasonable behaviour. I like to think we would react similarly for any other poster here - it has nothing to do with Jacob himself. What has been unusual here, and led to so many posts, is two things. First, Morten keeps trying to defend his "right" to his question and accusation, and secondly that Morten seems like a smart person who will hopefully realise why so many people have objected to his post, and learn from it. (This is unlike Rick and Fir, who both accuse people of all sorts of things that - in their eyes at least - are far worse than mere corruption. But no one takes their insults seriously, and certainly no one retains any hope that they will change their behaviour.)
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| From | "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:56 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mte9pf$s7r$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #70795 |
On 17.09.2015 13:33, David Brown wrote: > On 17/09/15 13:17, Kenny McCormack wrote: [...] >> This whole thread is absafookin hilarious! Please, keep it coming! >> >> There are so many aspects of absurdity here, that I could be writing for >> days, but let me just say that the notion of the in-group clique here >> defending Jacob is just funny on so many levels. >> > > A lot of the regulars (the "in-group clique") have disagreed with Jacob > on a number of issues. But he is still a person - and so we make it > clear that personal attacks and accusations are not acceptable. People > would do the same for all sorts of unreasonable behaviour. I like to > think we would react similarly for any other poster here - it has > nothing to do with Jacob himself. > > What has been unusual here, and led to so many posts, is two things. > First, Morten keeps trying to defend his "right" to his question and > accusation, and secondly that Morten seems like a smart person who will > hopefully realise why so many people have objected to his post, and > learn from it. Well, I'm open about my life situation with many people I talk to, and that openness is a good thing because one can help each other out. If I were to ask someone in person about what they do for a living I might be more careful, but here in a newsgroup one can choose to not reply, think and wait and so on. I asked one valid question and Jacob went completely off. He didn't ask me what I was asking or why. That's it really and says enough. -Morten
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 14:20 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mteb2t$fue$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70798 |
On 17/09/15 13:56, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > On 17.09.2015 13:33, David Brown wrote: >> On 17/09/15 13:17, Kenny McCormack wrote: > [...] >>> This whole thread is absafookin hilarious! Please, keep it coming! >>> >>> There are so many aspects of absurdity here, that I could be writing for >>> days, but let me just say that the notion of the in-group clique here >>> defending Jacob is just funny on so many levels. >>> >> >> A lot of the regulars (the "in-group clique") have disagreed with Jacob >> on a number of issues. But he is still a person - and so we make it >> clear that personal attacks and accusations are not acceptable. People >> would do the same for all sorts of unreasonable behaviour. I like to >> think we would react similarly for any other poster here - it has >> nothing to do with Jacob himself. >> >> What has been unusual here, and led to so many posts, is two things. >> First, Morten keeps trying to defend his "right" to his question and >> accusation, and secondly that Morten seems like a smart person who will >> hopefully realise why so many people have objected to his post, and >> learn from it. > > Well, I'm open about my life situation with many people I talk to, > and that openness is a good thing because one can help each other out. > Volunteering that information, and expecting others to volunteer it, are two completely different things. And newsgroups are different from real life. To pick a clearer example, this group has a wide range of ages - we have people who were probably around in the days of Colossus (if not Babbage's difference engine...), and people who are still at high school. (We also have middle-aged folk that act like teenagers, and for all I know, teenagers that act like pensioners.) If we met in real life, rough ages would be obvious - but not here. It can be relevant to discuss years of experience, but rarely is age of relevance. And unless you were planning on sending Jacob some money if he was out of work, or on asking for a donation if he is rich, I can't see how his income could be relevant to helping each other. > If I were to ask someone in person about what they do for a living > I might be more careful, but here in a newsgroup one can choose to > not reply, think and wait and so on. If you had merely asked what he did for a living, it would not be nearly as bad. But implied that he was paid by MS, or dependent on them financially, and that is why he was defending them. That is a vey different thing. > > I asked one valid question and Jacob went completely off. He didn't > ask me what I was asking or why. That's it really and says enough. > It was pretty clear what you were saying, and why - and it was not because you wanted to know about his job. Your later posts, together with your lack of apology, have made the situation even clearer.
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| From | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:28 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mtebi2$hpn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70802 |
On 17/09/2015 13:20, David Brown wrote: > It was pretty clear what you were saying, and why - and it was not > because you wanted to know about his job. Your later posts, together > with your lack of apology, have made the situation even clearer. I thought it was a rhetorical question. Or a joke. Because someone was defending a company that it is trendy for people to hate. The answer was obvious anyway: MS don't dish out money; they rake it in. -- Bartc
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 15:18 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mteegd$tdg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70804 |
On 17/09/15 14:28, Bartc wrote: > On 17/09/2015 13:20, David Brown wrote: > >> It was pretty clear what you were saying, and why - and it was not >> because you wanted to know about his job. Your later posts, together >> with your lack of apology, have made the situation even clearer. > > I thought it was a rhetorical question. Or a joke. Because someone was > defending a company that it is trendy for people to hate. I too thought at first that it was meant as a joke - just a badly worded one, that Jacob took offence to. But Morten's later posts where he defended it as a "valid question" that he "has a right to ask" (but no right to expect an answer). Sometimes we say something we didn't mean, or cause unintended offence by the way we say it - when you see that has happened, you apologise. I know I've done that once or twice. > > The answer was obvious anyway: MS don't dish out money; they rake it in. >
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:34 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mtefgs$ato$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #70814 |
In article <mteegd$tdg$1@dont-email.me>, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >On 17/09/15 14:28, Bartc wrote: >> On 17/09/2015 13:20, David Brown wrote: >> >>> It was pretty clear what you were saying, and why - and it was not >>> because you wanted to know about his job. Your later posts, together >>> with your lack of apology, have made the situation even clearer. >> >> I thought it was a rhetorical question. Or a joke. Because someone was >> defending a company that it is trendy for people to hate. > >I too thought at first that it was meant as a joke - just a badly worded >one, that Jacob took offence to. But Morten's later posts where he >defended it as a "valid question" that he "has a right to ask" (but no >right to expect an answer). Sometimes we say something we didn't mean, >or cause unintended offence by the way we say it - when you see that has >happened, you apologise. I know I've done that once or twice. Hilarious!!!!!! -- Given Bush and his insanely expensive wars (*), that we will be paying for for generations to come, the only possible response a sensible person need ever give, when a GOPer/TeaBagger says anything about "deficits", is a polite snicker. (*) Obvious money transfers between the taxpayers and Bush's moneyed interests. Someday, we'll actually figure out a way to have a war where the money just gets moved around and nobody (on either side) gets injured or killed. That will be an accomplishment of which we will be justly proud.
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 12:29 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mtebmj$7q8$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #70802 |
In article <mteb2t$fue$1@dont-email.me>, David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >On 17/09/15 13:56, Morten W. Petersen wrote: >> On 17.09.2015 13:33, David Brown wrote: >>> On 17/09/15 13:17, Kenny McCormack wrote: >> [...] >>>> This whole thread is absafookin hilarious! Please, keep it coming! >>>> >>>> There are so many aspects of absurdity here, that I could be writing for >>>> days, but let me just say that the notion of the in-group clique here >>>> defending Jacob is just funny on so many levels. >>>> >>> >>> A lot of the regulars (the "in-group clique") have disagreed with Jacob >>> on a number of issues. But he is still a person - and so we make it >>> clear that personal attacks and accusations are not acceptable. People >>> would do the same for all sorts of unreasonable behaviour. I like to >>> think we would react similarly for any other poster here - it has >>> nothing to do with Jacob himself. >>> >>> What has been unusual here, and led to so many posts, is two things. >>> First, Morten keeps trying to defend his "right" to his question and >>> accusation, and secondly that Morten seems like a smart person who will >>> hopefully realise why so many people have objected to his post, and >>> learn from it. >> >> Well, I'm open about my life situation with many people I talk to, >> and that openness is a good thing because one can help each other out. >> > >Volunteering that information, and expecting others to volunteer it, are >two completely different things. And newsgroups are different from real >life. > >To pick a clearer example, this group has a wide range of ages - we have >people who were probably around in the days of Colossus (if not >Babbage's difference engine...), and people who are still at high >school. (We also have middle-aged folk that act like teenagers, and for >all I know, teenagers that act like pensioners.) If we met in real >life, rough ages would be obvious - but not here. It can be relevant to >discuss years of experience, but rarely is age of relevance. > >And unless you were planning on sending Jacob some money if he was out >of work, or on asking for a donation if he is rich, I can't see how his >income could be relevant to helping each other. > >> If I were to ask someone in person about what they do for a living >> I might be more careful, but here in a newsgroup one can choose to >> not reply, think and wait and so on. > >If you had merely asked what he did for a living, it would not be nearly >as bad. But implied that he was paid by MS, or dependent on them >financially, and that is why he was defending them. That is a vey >different thing. > >> >> I asked one valid question and Jacob went completely off. He didn't >> ask me what I was asking or why. That's it really and says enough. >> > >It was pretty clear what you were saying, and why - and it was not >because you wanted to know about his job. Your later posts, together >with your lack of apology, have made the situation even clearer. > > Hilarious!!!! -- First of all, I do not appreciate your playing stupid here at all. - Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn -
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 05:34 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <def85699-2fa7-46ce-a2fa-fcf3284009c1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #70802 |
On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 1:20:43 PM UTC+1, David Brown wrote: > > If you had merely asked what he did for a living, it would > not be nearly as bad. But implied that he was paid by MS, > or dependent on them financially, and that is why he was > defending them. That is a very different thing. > Though a Microsoft guy did make a few posts here years back. He hit back at some of the more extreme anti-Microsoft accusations that people were making. Then he implied that it was all sour grapes and hinted that he was on huge bonus payments. He didn't post for long, however. There's nothing surprising in a programmer working for Microsoft, and quite often people defend their employers, especially in public. However Jacob isn't a Microsoft employee.
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| From | "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 14:48 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mtecq9$3tb$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #70802 |
On 17.09.2015 14:20, David Brown wrote: > On 17/09/15 13:56, Morten W. Petersen wrote: [...] >> I asked one valid question and Jacob went completely off. He didn't >> ask me what I was asking or why. That's it really and says enough. >> > > It was pretty clear what you were saying, and why - and it was not > because you wanted to know about his job. Your later posts, together > with your lack of apology, have made the situation even clearer. I don't have time for this shit. -Morten
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 08:52 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mtecu6$mjm$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70807 |
On 09/17/2015 08:48 AM, Morten W. Petersen wrote: ... > I don't have time for this shit. Then stop producing it. -- James Kuyper
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 08:50 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mtecqh$mjm$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #70798 |
On 09/17/2015 07:56 AM, Morten W. Petersen wrote: ... > I asked one valid question and Jacob went completely off. You asked one irrelevant question clearly intended to imply the existence of a bias; the bias itself would have been been irrelevant, if true, since it's only the truth or falsity of the statements he made that matters. > ... He didn't > ask me what I was asking or why. Why should he? The what and why of your question seemed quited clear. -- James Kuyper
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 12:57 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <mtedc5$7q8$2@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #70808 |
In article <mtecqh$mjm$1@dont-email.me>, James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote: >On 09/17/2015 07:56 AM, Morten W. Petersen wrote: >... >> I asked one valid question and Jacob went completely off. > >You asked one irrelevant question clearly intended to imply the >existence of a bias; the bias itself would have been been irrelevant, if >true, since it's only the truth or falsity of the statements he made >that matters. > >> ... He didn't >> ask me what I was asking or why. > >Why should he? The what and why of your question seemed quited clear. >-- >James Kuyper Hilarious!!! -- "Unattended children will be given an espresso and a free kitten."
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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 13:52 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <4IyKx.948$Yw6.865@fx27.am4> |
| In reply to | #70798 |
On 17/09/2015 12:56, Morten W. Petersen wrote: > On 17.09.2015 13:33, David Brown wrote: <snip> >> What has been unusual here, and led to so many posts, is two things. >> First, Morten keeps trying to defend his "right" to his question and >> accusation, and secondly that Morten seems like a smart person who will >> hopefully realise why so many people have objected to his post, and >> learn from it. (That paragraph now seems a little optimistic.) > <snip> > > I asked one valid question and Jacob went completely off. No, you asked one *in*valid question and Jacob was understandably offended. > He didn't > ask me what I was asking or why. That's it really and says enough. Why should he ask what you were asking? It seemed very clear to everyone, including Jacob. If you really, truly, genuinely weren't trying to imply that Jacob is a Microsoft shill, then you need to do a huge amount of work on your sentence construction. You owe Jacob an apology. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 07:13 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <f32f911c-8a36-4e1d-8718-34d24a3eb3d7@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #70795 |
W dniu czwartek, 17 września 2015 13:33:47 UTC+2 użytkownik David Brown napisał: > On 17/09/15 13:17, Kenny McCormack wrote: > > In article <d5viq4FbqqoU9@mid.individual.net>, > > Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Morten W. Petersen wrote: > >>> > >>> I found Jacobs reply to be unintelligent and that might be because he > >>> is naive & not smart or because he isn't what he pretends to be. That's > >>> why I asked. > >> > >> I'd just like to add my voice to those who say that you owe Jacob an > >> apology for your comment. > > > > This whole thread is absafookin hilarious! Please, keep it coming! > > > > There are so many aspects of absurdity here, that I could be writing for > > days, but let me just say that the notion of the in-group clique here > > defending Jacob is just funny on so many levels. > > > > A lot of the regulars (the "in-group clique") have disagreed with Jacob > on a number of issues. But he is still a person - and so we make it > clear that personal attacks and accusations are not acceptable. People > would do the same for all sorts of unreasonable behaviour. I like to > think we would react similarly for any other poster here - it has > nothing to do with Jacob himself. > > What has been unusual here, and led to so many posts, is two things. > First, Morten keeps trying to defend his "right" to his question and > accusation, and secondly that Morten seems like a smart person who will > hopefully realise why so many people have objected to his post, and > learn from it. > > (This is unlike Rick and Fir, who both accuse people of all sorts of > things that - in their eyes at least - are far worse than mere > corruption. But no one takes their insults seriously, and certainly no > one retains any hope that they will change their behaviour.) go on bulshitter, i wonder who is treating you seriously - coz that would must be fun people ;< seriously speaking you again try to build a 'voice of donkeys' from this group, but this has fortunately no chance to succed, as most (if not totally all) people are a bit above over it, - stil it pust you in big shame here in my firish eyes ;c
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 07:42 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <6043d7e7-bda9-4553-94dc-633da02821d3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #70821 |
W dniu czwartek, 17 września 2015 16:13:28 UTC+2 użytkownik fir napisał: > W dniu czwartek, 17 września 2015 13:33:47 UTC+2 użytkownik David Brown napisał: > > On 17/09/15 13:17, Kenny McCormack wrote: > > > In article <d5viq4FbqqoU9@mid.individual.net>, > > > Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> Morten W. Petersen wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I found Jacobs reply to be unintelligent and that might be because he > > >>> is naive & not smart or because he isn't what he pretends to be. That's > > >>> why I asked. > > >> > > >> I'd just like to add my voice to those who say that you owe Jacob an > > >> apology for your comment. > > > > > > This whole thread is absafookin hilarious! Please, keep it coming! > > > > > > There are so many aspects of absurdity here, that I could be writing for > > > days, but let me just say that the notion of the in-group clique here > > > defending Jacob is just funny on so many levels. > > > > > > > A lot of the regulars (the "in-group clique") have disagreed with Jacob > > on a number of issues. But he is still a person - and so we make it > > clear that personal attacks and accusations are not acceptable. People > > would do the same for all sorts of unreasonable behaviour. I like to > > think we would react similarly for any other poster here - it has > > nothing to do with Jacob himself. > > > > What has been unusual here, and led to so many posts, is two things. > > First, Morten keeps trying to defend his "right" to his question and > > accusation, and secondly that Morten seems like a smart person who will > > hopefully realise why so many people have objected to his post, and > > learn from it. > > > > (This is unlike Rick and Fir, who both accuse people of all sorts of > > things that - in their eyes at least - are far worse than mere > > corruption. But no one takes their insults seriously, and certainly no > > one retains any hope that they will change their behaviour.) > > go on bulshitter, i wonder who is treating you seriously - coz that would must be fun people ;< > > seriously speaking you again try to build a 'voice of donkeys' from this group, but this has fortunately no chance to succed, as most > (if not totally all) people are a bit above over it, - stil it pust you in big shame here in my firish eyes ;c about same thing (though maybe more convoluted) was doing bartltg fellow - i get angry when i see that, though i maybe a bit overreacted then im still not sure, Yet ofc in some way such thing is doing Keith Thompson troll-insulting 'recydivist' this thread is overal fine imo, though it shows a petersen fellow that was acting like arrogant dork still is not able to apologize coz the rest of this answers is imo still 'not so good' (navia is moral winner here no doubt)
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-17 07:55 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <e08550ca-7f27-441d-b08d-cd7e31c5b456@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #70825 |
W dniu czwartek, 17 września 2015 16:42:50 UTC+2 użytkownik fir napisał: > > 'not so good' (navia is moral winner here no doubt) i decided to fund a small award in this case: navia, you can join the fantastic four (unformal group of temporary 2015 c.l.c outsiders) I encourage opponents to unite it would maybe bring some interesting effect ;o
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| From | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-09-18 05:51 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Hidden agendas on Usenet |
| Message-ID | <130b8b30-3c52-4647-8d16-89cb78300342@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #70826 |
W dniu czwartek, 17 września 2015 16:55:54 UTC+2 użytkownik fir napisał: > W dniu czwartek, 17 września 2015 16:42:50 UTC+2 użytkownik fir napisał: > > > > 'not so good' (navia is moral winner here no doubt) > > i decided to fund a small award > in this case: navia, you can join > the fantastic four (unformal group > of temporary 2015 c.l.c outsiders) > > I encourage opponents to unite it > would maybe bring some interesting effect ;o outsiders is thought bad name i dont feellike oldschool outsider at all but for sure i belong to alternative / general alternative
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