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| Started by | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| First post | 2015-06-15 14:08 +0100 |
| Last post | 2015-07-14 13:14 -0700 |
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typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-15 14:08 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 14:23 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 09:30 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 18:01 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-16 09:44 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-16 18:06 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-16 19:22 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-16 19:33 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-16 14:53 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 09:54 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-17 11:04 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 11:11 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-18 12:00 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 09:50 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-19 18:02 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 10:25 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-19 20:10 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-19 18:11 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 10:40 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-19 18:58 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 11:35 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 12:31 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-18 20:47 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2015-06-19 03:35 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 17:23 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 09:46 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2015-06-17 10:34 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 10:43 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-18 16:00 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-18 08:52 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-19 10:21 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-19 11:35 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 05:34 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-19 13:45 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 06:23 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-19 15:55 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 08:06 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-19 16:14 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 08:41 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-19 17:19 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-06-19 21:02 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 18:57 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 00:59 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-20 17:25 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-06-21 12:04 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 13:07 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-06-23 13:08 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 17:36 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 01:00 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 08:40 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-20 08:54 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 02:06 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-20 10:46 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 03:16 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-06-20 09:01 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-20 15:44 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-20 12:08 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-21 21:02 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-21 21:24 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-21 22:41 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 00:08 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 05:43 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-06-22 08:14 -0500
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 07:13 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 16:28 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 08:47 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 17:25 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-22 18:23 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 19:11 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 10:50 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 19:23 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-22 14:38 -0500
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 10:35 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 11:31 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 12:36 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 12:47 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 21:02 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-06-23 13:04 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 06:13 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 15:26 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 07:31 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 07:39 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 14:38 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-24 09:19 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 13:14 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-22 20:29 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-06-23 12:31 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 12:40 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration crisdunbar@gmail.com - 2015-06-23 12:48 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 13:04 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 21:08 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-19 14:05 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 06:26 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 08:47 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-19 17:19 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-20 08:59 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 02:10 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-20 17:34 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 08:42 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 08:50 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-20 16:59 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-20 18:40 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-20 12:21 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-20 21:31 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-20 14:07 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 05:20 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-22 13:38 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 05:45 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 08:49 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 08:54 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-22 16:54 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 09:02 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-22 21:33 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 10:00 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-19 22:33 -0500
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 07:50 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 08:12 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-06-20 15:30 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 08:40 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2015-06-19 10:10 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 12:58 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-19 21:30 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 13:34 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 14:56 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 13:45 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-19 16:26 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-20 12:26 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 00:40 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-20 20:05 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 01:17 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-19 17:52 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-20 01:12 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-19 22:35 -0500
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 00:55 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-20 10:27 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 02:31 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-20 15:45 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-22 15:13 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-20 11:56 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 05:36 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-22 17:12 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 09:25 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 17:54 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 10:58 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 19:39 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-22 13:59 -0500
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 10:37 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 11:01 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 09:02 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 09:44 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 19:42 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 11:47 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-12 21:21 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 13:32 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-13 09:03 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 03:13 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 21:53 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 14:05 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 14:30 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-13 00:52 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-07-12 20:57 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-12 22:52 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 16:56 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-13 13:22 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-13 10:05 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-12 19:04 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-07-13 20:28 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-13 09:45 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 03:01 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-13 11:01 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 03:19 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-13 19:56 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-13 08:27 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 10:01 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-07-13 18:38 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-13 12:20 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-07-14 11:15 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 08:57 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 23:25 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-15 12:59 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-07-20 17:32 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 07:22 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-13 11:58 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 10:06 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 05:24 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-07-13 19:49 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 08:08 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 08:32 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-20 09:12 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 20:21 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-20 09:15 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 12:14 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 12:17 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 20:54 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 13:16 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 13:59 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 22:36 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 14:38 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 06:00 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 14:37 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 16:40 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 16:14 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 22:51 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 22:06 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-24 00:14 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-24 01:17 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-24 05:18 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-24 09:35 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-24 10:43 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 11:19 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-14 07:20 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-14 17:55 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 20:06 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-15 23:28 -0500
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 22:06 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-20 09:42 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 09:16 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 09:27 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 07:38 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 07:55 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-25 21:22 -0500
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-28 10:41 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 03:52 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 22:57 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 07:52 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 17:09 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 08:43 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 08:47 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 23:01 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 17:13 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-24 23:40 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-06-24 21:38 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-25 11:23 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-25 11:36 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-25 11:55 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 00:46 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-06-25 01:47 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 05:53 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 20:24 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 10:00 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 05:51 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-25 14:15 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 07:54 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 08:08 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-25 16:21 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 17:46 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 18:16 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 19:55 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 11:02 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-25 18:30 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-25 12:54 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-26 11:01 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 18:03 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-25 18:27 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-25 10:30 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 10:35 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-25 19:07 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-26 09:43 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-26 11:26 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-26 09:45 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 14:51 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-26 09:57 +1200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 15:01 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 17:24 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 08:30 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-25 16:35 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 20:05 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 11:09 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 11:19 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 20:04 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-26 11:42 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 05:01 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-26 14:11 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 05:26 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-27 22:01 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-27 20:46 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-27 16:37 -0500
[OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-26 14:25 +0200
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 05:31 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-26 14:18 +0100
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 06:31 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 08:20 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 08:24 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 10:24 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 10:30 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 13:40 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-26 14:09 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 14:23 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-26 22:12 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 03:03 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-27 13:08 +0100
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-06-27 11:37 +0000
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-06-27 13:06 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 07:51 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 07:55 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-26 08:59 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-27 12:13 +0000
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-06-27 08:25 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 08:43 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Geoff <geoff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-06-27 08:55 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 09:10 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-27 11:25 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-26 08:56 -0700
Re: [OT] was Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-27 22:05 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-25 12:46 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-25 10:00 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-28 10:58 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 04:03 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-28 12:43 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 06:05 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 06:33 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-28 18:28 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 10:42 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-28 18:17 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 10:32 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-28 20:53 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 17:53 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-29 12:10 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 04:59 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-29 14:21 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 06:40 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-29 17:38 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 10:44 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-29 22:10 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 15:09 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-28 11:43 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-28 10:43 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-29 08:50 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-06-27 12:32 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-23 13:17 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-23 13:20 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 10:25 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 09:51 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 12:05 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 10:43 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-27 12:18 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 05:26 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-27 14:11 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 06:38 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-06-27 13:55 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 07:15 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 07:34 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-27 15:56 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 08:13 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-27 21:35 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-27 18:58 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 12:35 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-06-27 13:21 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 11:34 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-27 12:07 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-28 11:02 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-28 06:12 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-03 17:25 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-24 11:51 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 15:17 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-24 12:31 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-06-23 21:11 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 20:22 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 12:39 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-23 01:51 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-22 19:55 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> - 2015-06-22 22:51 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 02:57 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 11:08 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-23 00:00 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 09:40 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 11:03 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 06:06 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 14:45 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 11:33 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 15:15 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 15:23 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 07:23 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 15:50 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 16:51 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 10:53 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-22 19:26 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-06-23 13:37 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-23 07:53 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 17:04 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 16:24 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-23 08:44 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-23 09:01 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-23 15:22 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 07:56 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 08:00 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-24 08:26 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 23:06 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 22:20 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-22 21:18 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 14:21 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-20 10:30 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-20 09:08 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-20 02:14 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-20 09:08 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-06-17 10:52 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Dr Nick <nospam-4@temporary-address.org.uk> - 2015-06-17 19:52 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-17 15:32 -0400
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-17 19:58 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-15 20:02 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-15 17:40 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 17:57 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-15 18:37 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 18:44 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-15 19:39 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 19:45 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-15 20:31 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-15 13:29 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 19:09 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-06-15 18:10 -0600
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-16 00:30 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-15 17:41 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-06-15 20:58 -0600
Re: typedef forward declaration Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-16 09:43 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-16 12:27 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-06-16 09:20 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-16 19:18 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-15 10:13 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-15 18:24 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-18 21:47 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 06:24 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Lőrinczy Zsigmond <nospam@for.me> - 2015-06-15 21:20 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2015-06-15 18:08 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 09:18 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-06-26 18:46 +0200
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 10:28 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-13 05:34 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-13 21:40 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 09:27 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-14 20:11 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 12:20 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 12:50 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-07-14 16:56 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 17:16 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-15 01:28 +0100
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 04:38 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-15 08:54 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-15 08:57 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-07-14 17:03 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-15 05:10 +0000
Re: typedef forward declaration Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-07-14 22:59 -0700
Re: typedef forward declaration "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-14 13:14 -0700
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| From | Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-12 20:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <A1Eox.77613$gG6.64190@fx31.iad> |
| In reply to | #65456 |
On 7/12/15 5:30 PM, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > > If I'm going to limit myself to the C defined maximum, then there is > still an issue involved because when I go to save a value that will > fit in 16 bits, it may not be saved as 16 bits on disk, but because > int on this particular machine is mechanically represented by 36 bits, > now I'm writing 20 extra bits per value, which when I read it in on > the next computer, will fail unless it happens to also use the 36 bit > format. If you want to write portable data, it either needs to be transmitted as 'textual' data (and apply character set conversions of the data if needed, ie between ASCII and EBCDIC), or using a portable format, which will define the data format in terms of fundamental units (like octets). There may still need to be a conversion applied when moving from one machine to another as not all machine write data fundamentally in octets (if it doesn't have an 8 bit byte). Note that in C, I/O is fundamentally defined in terms of 'bytes' (aka char) and not anything bigger, like an int. Writing bigger units and expecting them to be 'portable' is foolish. A major intent of the C language is to be able to naturally write efficient code, which means using the machines native formats. This means that the naive method of just sending items other that bytes doesn't work if you need portable files (but is fine for local use). Note that it is MUCH easier to write a layer to make the C efficient processing create portable files, then it would be to take a mythical 'Portable C' (where types are defined to be the same on all implementations) efficient. If you want to be able to assume some base common properties of the machine, and they make the program significantly simpler, then do so, and just document that the program only works on machines that meet certain requirement. (Like what POSIX effectively does). This is not a sin. To paraphrase a statement, you want to make you programs as portable as needed and possible, but no more than that. Make it portable over the expected environments, avoid using gratuitous non-portable constructs, but don't go to extreme measures that make your code more complicated than needed. For example, making the assumption of 8 bit bytes or 2's complement notation may be reasonable in many cases. (Endian assumptions when creating portable files is less so, as it isn't that hard to have an endian correction layer,) > Do you see what I'm talking about, Ben? I may not be saying it in > the proper words as per your usage, or even the industry standard > usage, but surely you can compensate for my shortcomings in this area > and understand the point I'm trying to make? > > Best regards, > Rick C. Hodgin >
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| Date | 2015-07-12 22:52 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87380toxg9.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #65452 |
"Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes: > Int it is not finite. You mean int of course (C is case sensitive), but int is a type. In so far as types represent sets of values, int is always a finite type. The range of values an int object can represent is finite. > It has a minimum value that > is known, but no upper value that is known (apart > from examination of min/max constants, and > those can vary between compiler versions, or > machines, etc.). That's wrong, but only because you are using words wrongly. I am sure you mean something correct by those words. > But if I'm writing portable C > code, I cannot use int beyond its mins/maxs. Indeed. > It is only finite within the confines and encapsulation > of the machine, or within the general guidance > that there just aren't generally machines larger > than 64 bits. There's that word again! The set of values from which the range of int objects is drawn is an infinite set. The range of any int object is finite. I don't believe you think any of my remarks are incorrect. You just want to re-phrase them in what I see and, at best, a confusing way. -- Ben.
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-12 16:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f4e6154a-b411-42d0-a303-f1c5035ff4ec@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #65460 |
On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:52:46 PM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes: > > > Int it is not finite. > > You mean int of course (C is case sensitive), but int is a type. This right here is why we cannot have any kind of discussion. It makes me sad that you (and Ian) are this way. There is so much that is being lost between us over these types of semantics. It is doing nothing to increase either of us in knowledge or experience, but is designed solely to place additional distances between us. It makes me sad that in this forum we must live at this place where these types of barriers are artificially erected because there are people who remain absolutely unwilling to move the slightest bit to meet another person where they may be, inferior to your knowledge, or to meet them on occasion when they make this kind of simple mistake. It's so unnecessary to be that way. And it makes me sad to such an extent that we must live at this place. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 13:22 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <d0gi5uFmf76U7@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #65465 |
Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > On Sunday, July 12, 2015 at 5:52:46 PM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Int it is not finite. >> >> You mean int of course (C is case sensitive), but int is a type. > > This right here is why we cannot have any kind of discussion. > > It makes me sad that you (and Ian) are this way. There is so much > that is being lost between us over these types of semantics. It is > doing nothing to increase either of us in knowledge or experience, > but is designed solely to place additional distances between us. If you re-read what I wrote, semantics were not the issue. -- Ian Collins
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 10:05 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <d0g6m6Fmf76U6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #65452 |
Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Int it is not finite. It has a minimum value that > is known, but no upper value that is known... Assuming you mean "int", then you are wrong again. In C int is signed, so if you don't know the upper value, you also don't know the minimum value -- Ian Collins
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-12 19:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ad2232a4-49db-478e-b4a9-634f06a74056@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #65462 |
Ian Collins wrote:
> Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> > Int it is not finite. It has a (1)minimum value
> > that is known, but no (2)upper value that is
> > known...
>
> Assuming you mean "int", then you are wrong
> again. In C int is signed, so if you don't know
> the upper value, you also don't know the
> minimum value.
(1) -32768 to +32768
(2) The actual maximum range as per implementation
on the machine hardware.
The (2) value could be about +/- 2^31, +/- 2^63,
+/- 2^35, +/- 2^19, +/- 2^15, or other value.
It is not known.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 20:28 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <d0hb6bFflldU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #65468 |
Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Ian Collins wrote: >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>> Int it is not finite. It has a (1)minimum value >>> that is known, but no (2)upper value that is >>> known... >> >> Assuming you mean "int", then you are wrong >> again. In C int is signed, so if you don't know >> the upper value, you also don't know the >> minimum value. > > (1) -32768 to +32768 > (2) The actual maximum range as per implementation > on the machine hardware. > > The (2) value could be about +/- 2^31, +/- 2^63, > +/- 2^35, +/- 2^19, +/- 2^15, or other value. > > It is not known. So there we go, Ben was right to quibble about your imprecise language. You are discussing the range of int, not it's value. That being true, Ben was correct when he said the size of a C int is always finite while the the set of possible sizes for an int is not. -- Ian Collins
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| From | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 09:45 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mnvtou$5ua$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #65468 |
On 13/07/2015 03:04, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: > Ian Collins wrote: >> Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>> Int it is not finite. It has a (1)minimum value >>> that is known, but no (2)upper value that is >>> known... >> >> Assuming you mean "int", then you are wrong >> again. In C int is signed, so if you don't know >> the upper value, you also don't know the >> minimum value. > > (1) -32768 to +32768 It's usually +32767 -- Bartc
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 03:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d3fe793b-6f76-4541-b763-64a1e238bf68@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #65471 |
Bartc wrote: > > (1) -32768 to +32768 > > It's usually +32767. You are correct, Bart. My mistake. Thank you for correcting me. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 11:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87r3ocnzp2.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #65471 |
Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > On 13/07/2015 03:04, Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >> Ian Collins wrote: >>> Rick C. Hodgin wrote: >>>> Int it is not finite. It has a (1)minimum value >>>> that is known, but no (2)upper value that is >>>> known... >>> >>> Assuming you mean "int", then you are wrong >>> again. In C int is signed, so if you don't know >>> the upper value, you also don't know the >>> minimum value. >> >> (1) -32768 to +32768 > > It's usually +32767 Rick is talking about the guaranteed range and that's -32767 to +32767. -- Ben.
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| From | "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 03:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <01df48ae-2509-4699-bb14-2d7828f7d881@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #65473 |
Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Rick is talking about the guaranteed range
> and that's -32767 to +32767.
Now that I did not know. I thought it was:
-(2^(n-1)) to +(2^(n-1))-1; where n = 16, 32, 64, ...
Thank you for correcting / educating me.
Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin
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| From | glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 19:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mo154g$9g2$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #65475 |
Rick C. Hodgin <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> wrote: > Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> Rick is talking about the guaranteed range >> and that's -32767 to +32767. > Now that I did not know. I thought it was: > -(2^(n-1)) to +(2^(n-1))-1; where n = 16, 32, 64, ... > Thank you for correcting / educating me. C allows for ones complement and sign magnitude machines. The IBM 7090 and 7094 are 36 bit machines, but integer arithetic is sign magnitude 16 bits in that 3 bit word. The original Fortran compiler allowed statement numbers up to 32767. It was later increaed to 99999, but the five columns remained. As far as I know, there are no C compilers for the 7094. -- glen
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 08:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mo0ap8$gni$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #65414 |
On 07/12/2015 12:02 PM, David Kleinecke wrote: ... > I think I qualify as a mathematician - I have a doctorate and a > couple of publications - even if I have drifted away these days. ... > not finite "infinite" and I believe they would not make any > distinction between unbounded and infinite. I don't have your credentials. My most advanced credential is a Certificate in Applied Mathematics from Cambridge, roughly equivalent to an MS in mathematical physics in the US. The most advanced math I remember studying includes differential geometry, symplectic geometry, and advanced group theory. However, I did study enough math to be quite certain that mathematicians do make a distinction between sets that are infinite in size and sets that are unbounded. Finite but unbounded sets are of considerable importance in theoretical physics. I took classes that talked about such stuff during my Junior year at Caltech. The simplest such set I can think of is a simple closed curve of finite length embedded in a two-dimensional space. It is, in itself, a one-dimensional set, and you can travel around that set in either direction, going as far as you like, without ever reaching the boundary of the set, but eventually you end up right back to where you started. So it is unbounded, but finite. Some people get confused by this example, saying "What do you mean it doesn't have a boundary. It IS a boundary!" And they're correct - there is an open set of points which are inside that curve, and that curve is the boundary of that open set. However, one of the most important things I learned in point set topology is "The boundary of a boundary is 0". Precisely because the closed curve IS the boundary of that open set, it does not, itself, have a boundary. Topologically, that set is equivalent to U(1), the space of unitary 1-dimensional matrices, a very important set in quantum mechanics. It can be represented as a circle in the complex plane. U(N) is finite in size, but unbounded, for all values of N. Another topologically equivalent set would be a line segment, with the two ends identified. "identified" means that if you start at the left end of the line segment, and move left, you end up on the right end of the line segment. If you start at the right end, and move right, you end up at the left end. This is, again, a set of finite length, but no boundaries. If you take the outer product of three such sets, you describe a cube with the property that whenever you reach one face of the cube, and keep moving perpendicular to that face, you end up on the opposite face of the cube. I attended a lecture once which seriously considered the possibility that the entire universe has such a structure. It turns out that General Relativity has no trouble dealing with such a universe - it evolves pretty much the same way as the conventional Big Bang model for a flat universe. From the inside, such a universe would appear to be spatially periodic, with the period being the size of the cube. However, since the farther away we look, the farther back in time we're looking, it could be very hard to detect the periodicity if the cube is sufficiently large. The speaker described the analysis his group had performed, looking at images of distant galaxies for any such periodicity. Note that the repeating structure needn't be a cube. Any shape that can be used to tile 3-dimensional flat space works. They didn't find anything, but the fact that they didn't find anything can be used to set a lower limit on the size of any periodic structure in the universe. That limit was somewhat smaller than the size of the entire observable universe, but only by a factor of about 2. -- James Kuyper
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| From | David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 10:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ebe2ddfa-75a0-4b16-9cfb-bc4a2188151a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #65479 |
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:27:52 AM UTC-7, James Kuyper wrote: > On 07/12/2015 12:02 PM, David Kleinecke wrote: > ... > > I think I qualify as a mathematician - I have a doctorate and a > > couple of publications - even if I have drifted away these days. > ... > > not finite "infinite" and I believe they would not make any > > distinction between unbounded and infinite. > > I don't have your credentials. My most advanced credential is a > Certificate in Applied Mathematics from Cambridge, roughly equivalent to > an MS in mathematical physics in the US. The most advanced math I > remember studying includes differential geometry, symplectic geometry, > and advanced group theory. > > However, I did study enough math to be quite certain that mathematicians > do make a distinction between sets that are infinite in size and sets > that are unbounded. Finite but unbounded sets are of considerable > importance in theoretical physics. That feels very odd to me. Like everything else in mathematics it depends on your definitions. To me "finite but unbounded" is meaningless (and I am glad you say it is used in physics). > I took classes that talked about such stuff during my Junior year > at Caltech. > > The simplest such set I can think of is a simple closed curve of finite > length embedded in a two-dimensional space. It is, in itself, a > one-dimensional set, and you can travel around that set in either > direction, going as far as you like, without ever reaching the boundary > of the set, but eventually you end up right back to where you started. > So it is unbounded, but finite. I do not understand what "it" means in your conclusion. The only thing you have said is finite is the length of the curve. And the length isn't even variable much less unbounded. > Some people get confused by this example, saying "What do you mean it > doesn't have a boundary. It IS a boundary!" And they're correct - there > is an open set of points which are inside that curve, and that curve is > the boundary of that open set. However, one of the most important things > I learned in point set topology is "The boundary of a boundary is 0". > Precisely because the closed curve IS the boundary of that open set, it > does not, itself, have a boundary. > > Topologically, that set is equivalent to U(1), the space of unitary > 1-dimensional matrices, a very important set in quantum mechanics. It > can be represented as a circle in the complex plane. U(N) is finite in > size, but unbounded, for all values of N. It seems to me that you want to say U(N) is finite but the size of U(N) is unbounded (with unbounded as N inceases understood). This usage of "unbounded" is common parlance. And I suppose sloppy speech (common among physicists) might lead them to say U(N) is unbounded in this context. Perhaps a mathematician might get careless enough to say it - but (s)he would know better. > Another topologically equivalent set would be a line segment, with the > two ends identified. "identified" means that if you start at the left > end of the line segment, and move left, you end up on the right end of > the line segment. If you start at the right end, and move right, you end > up at the left end. This is, again, a set of finite length, but no > boundaries. Oh my God, someone taught you to use "unbounded" to mean not having a topological bound. I have never encountered that usage. So maybe I was wrong about mathematical usage. But unboundaried has no a priori relation to finiteness. Apples and Oranges. > If you take the outer product of three such sets, you describe a cube > with the property that whenever you reach one face of the cube, and keep > moving perpendicular to that face, you end up on the opposite face of > the cube. I attended a lecture once which seriously considered the > possibility that the entire universe has such a structure. It turns out > that General Relativity has no trouble dealing with such a universe - it > evolves pretty much the same way as the conventional Big Bang model for > a flat universe. From the inside, such a universe would appear to be > spatially periodic, with the period being the size of the cube. However, > since the farther away we look, the farther back in time we're looking, > it could be very hard to detect the periodicity if the cube is > sufficiently large. The speaker described the analysis his group had > performed, looking at images of distant galaxies for any such > periodicity. Note that the repeating structure needn't be a cube. Any > shape that can be used to tile 3-dimensional flat space works. They > didn't find anything, but the fact that they didn't find anything can be > used to set a lower limit on the size of any periodic structure in the > universe. That limit was somewhat smaller than the size of the entire > observable universe, but only by a factor of about 2. This is relatively well-known stuff. The cosmologists have lots of fun. Science fiction writers have been playing with it since the 1940's.
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| From | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 18:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mo0svl$pca$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #65495 |
On 13/07/2015 18:01, David Kleinecke wrote: > On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:27:52 AM UTC-7, James Kuyper wrote: >> On 07/12/2015 12:02 PM, David Kleinecke wrote: >> ... >>> I think I qualify as a mathematician - I have a doctorate and a >>> couple of publications - even if I have drifted away these days. >> ... >>> not finite "infinite" and I believe they would not make any >>> distinction between unbounded and infinite. >> >> I don't have your credentials. My most advanced credential is a >> Certificate in Applied Mathematics from Cambridge, roughly equivalent to >> an MS in mathematical physics in the US. The most advanced math I >> remember studying includes differential geometry, symplectic geometry, >> and advanced group theory. >> >> However, I did study enough math to be quite certain that mathematicians >> do make a distinction between sets that are infinite in size and sets >> that are unbounded. Finite but unbounded sets are of considerable >> importance in theoretical physics. > > That feels very odd to me. Like everything else in mathematics it > depends on your definitions. To me "finite but unbounded" is > meaningless (and I am glad you say it is used in physics). The surface of a sphere is finite but unbounded. -- Bartc
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 12:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <lnvbdnlv9n.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #65501 |
Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
[...]
> The surface of a sphere is finite but unbounded.
That depends. If considered as an area, it's finite. If considered as
a set of points, it has infinitely many points.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | "Chris M. Thomasson" <nospam@nospam.nospam> |
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| Date | 2015-07-14 11:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mo3jku$csb$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #65513 |
> "Keith Thompson" wrote in message > news:lnvbdnlv9n.fsf@kst-u.example.com... > > Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes: [...] > > The surface of a sphere is finite but unbounded. > That depends. If considered as an area, it's finite. If considered as > a set of points, it has infinitely many points. I do not know if this is particularly relevant to the discussion but a fractal like the von Koch star has an infinite perimeter, yet a finite area. I personally find that to be a fairly interesting property. :^)
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| From | David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-14 08:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <95b341cf-81aa-446b-b882-0a46a2c160b3@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #65501 |
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 10:38:28 AM UTC-7, Bart wrote: > On 13/07/2015 18:01, David Kleinecke wrote: > > On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:27:52 AM UTC-7, James Kuyper wrote: > >> On 07/12/2015 12:02 PM, David Kleinecke wrote: > >> ... > >>> I think I qualify as a mathematician - I have a doctorate and a > >>> couple of publications - even if I have drifted away these days. > >> ... > >>> not finite "infinite" and I believe they would not make any > >>> distinction between unbounded and infinite. > >> > >> I don't have your credentials. My most advanced credential is a > >> Certificate in Applied Mathematics from Cambridge, roughly equivalent to > >> an MS in mathematical physics in the US. The most advanced math I > >> remember studying includes differential geometry, symplectic geometry, > >> and advanced group theory. > >> > >> However, I did study enough math to be quite certain that mathematicians > >> do make a distinction between sets that are infinite in size and sets > >> that are unbounded. Finite but unbounded sets are of considerable > >> importance in theoretical physics. > > > > That feels very odd to me. Like everything else in mathematics it > > depends on your definitions. To me "finite but unbounded" is > > meaningless (and I am glad you say it is used in physics). > > The surface of a sphere is finite but unbounded. As elsewhere that is not the same unbounded. The use of "unbounded" to mean "without a boundary" is new to me.
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| From | luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-13 23:25 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <938aca60-b9af-4528-9aec-386388576f63@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #65495 |
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:02:07 PM UTC-5, David Kleinecke wrote: > > This is relatively well-known stuff. The cosmologists have lots of > fun. Science fiction writers have been playing with it since the 1940's. Unless you consider stuff like Plato's Critias and Timaeus. The Ouspensky/Gurdjieff tradition considers a cosmos to be a periodic "shape" of 8 or 9 dimensions. existence |- time-like eternity duration length |- space-like width depth +lower three |- etheric/electrical
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2015-07-15 12:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55A6915B.2010707@verizon.net> |
| In reply to | #65495 |
On 07/13/2015 01:01 PM, David Kleinecke wrote: > On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 5:27:52 AM UTC-7, James Kuyper wrote: ... >> The simplest such set I can think of is a simple closed curve of finite >> length embedded in a two-dimensional space. It is, in itself, a >> one-dimensional set, and you can travel around that set in either >> direction, going as far as you like, without ever reaching the boundary >> of the set, but eventually you end up right back to where you started. >> So it is unbounded, but finite. > > I do not understand what "it" means in your conclusion. The only thing > you have said is finite is the length of the curve. And the length isn't > even variable much less unbounded. "it" refers to the set. Not the size of the set, but the set itself. "unbounded" in this context means that the set has no boundaries. >> Some people get confused by this example, saying "What do you mean it >> doesn't have a boundary. It IS a boundary!" And they're correct - there >> is an open set of points which are inside that curve, and that curve is >> the boundary of that open set. However, one of the most important things >> I learned in point set topology is "The boundary of a boundary is 0". >> Precisely because the closed curve IS the boundary of that open set, it >> does not, itself, have a boundary. >> >> Topologically, that set is equivalent to U(1), the space of unitary >> 1-dimensional matrices, a very important set in quantum mechanics. It >> can be represented as a circle in the complex plane. U(N) is finite in >> size, but unbounded, for all values of N. > > It seems to me that you want to say U(N) is finite but the size of > U(N) is unbounded (with unbounded as N inceases understood). No, as I very explicitly said above, its size is finite. Its size is therefore also bounded, in the sense that you're using the term. What I meant is that the set U(N) has no boundaries. >> Another topologically equivalent set would be a line segment, with the >> two ends identified. "identified" means that if you start at the left >> end of the line segment, and move left, you end up on the right end of >> the line segment. If you start at the right end, and move right, you end >> up at the left end. This is, again, a set of finite length, but no >> boundaries. > > Oh my God, someone taught you to use "unbounded" to mean not having > a topological bound. I have never encountered that usage. It never occurred to me that this usage might be problematic, since it's ubiquitous in the contexts where I first learned it. I've been searching the web for mathematical citations to back up that usage, without success. However, I have at least found evidence that I'm in good company among physicists in using the term that way: <http://www.bartleby.com/173/31.html>. For obvious reasons, that usage has been very influential on other physicists, regardless of what a mathematician might think of it.
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