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| Started by | Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> |
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| First post | 2015-04-16 13:08 +0200 |
| Last post | 2015-04-18 08:11 -0700 |
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Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-04-16 13:08 +0200
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-16 12:14 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-04-16 17:18 +0000
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-16 18:43 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-16 21:03 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-16 23:38 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-17 07:39 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-17 13:31 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-17 14:46 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 11:46 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-18 15:35 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-22 10:57 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-19 11:58 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-20 10:50 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 17:55 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-17 23:01 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-18 00:24 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-18 07:50 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 11:56 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-19 14:59 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-19 11:47 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-19 18:44 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-19 18:34 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 01:42 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 08:14 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 10:30 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 13:56 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Ian Pilcher <arequipeno@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 18:39 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-23 12:37 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-23 20:25 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-24 07:58 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-24 12:58 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-24 22:13 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-28 13:05 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-30 08:40 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-01 08:40 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-05-03 11:42 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-05-04 17:43 +1200
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-05-04 07:34 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2015-05-08 17:12 +0300
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-05-10 07:40 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-05-04 08:49 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-05-04 12:23 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-20 07:49 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 14:27 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-20 09:39 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 17:48 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-20 15:58 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 22:25 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 13:22 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 11:15 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 15:02 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 12:51 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 21:17 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-20 16:09 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-21 00:33 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 16:26 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 15:46 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-20 16:17 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-21 07:43 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-21 08:06 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-04-22 21:55 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 20:04 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 13:22 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 21:42 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 16:58 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-21 01:16 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-04-21 02:19 +0200
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-20 23:14 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-21 11:47 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-22 00:13 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-22 08:36 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-22 03:15 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-22 11:52 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2015-04-22 09:04 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-22 17:14 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-20 15:24 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-21 00:24 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-21 09:33 +0000
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-04-21 11:57 +0000
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-21 10:22 -0500
The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-04-21 15:38 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> - 2015-04-21 15:58 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-21 18:09 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> - 2015-04-21 17:42 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-22 10:47 +0200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-22 20:56 +1200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-04-22 03:53 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-22 11:01 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-23 08:17 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-22 10:21 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-22 11:17 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-04-22 09:59 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-22 18:48 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-22 14:35 -0500
Re: The Metric system Ben Bacarisse <ben.lists@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-04-22 21:22 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-25 09:58 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-25 12:33 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-25 12:18 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-25 13:51 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-25 16:34 +0200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-25 17:00 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-04-25 16:59 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-28 16:04 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-30 04:22 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Martin Shobe <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-30 09:27 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-30 12:01 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-30 13:38 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-25 16:36 +0200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-26 08:20 +1200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) "Bill Davy" <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> - 2015-04-25 21:33 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-26 12:07 +0200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-26 14:22 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-26 15:44 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-22 13:11 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-22 17:05 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-22 18:30 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-22 17:35 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-22 19:15 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-23 11:05 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-23 12:54 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-23 14:12 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-23 15:50 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-23 16:43 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-23 18:09 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-04-22 13:15 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-04-22 19:17 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-22 20:48 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-04-23 08:11 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-23 12:58 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-23 14:13 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-25 10:08 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-22 17:15 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-25 09:18 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-25 13:02 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-26 14:26 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-05-03 11:48 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-05-05 18:20 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-05-05 12:43 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-04-22 11:32 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) "Bill Davy" <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> - 2015-04-22 14:31 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-23 07:51 +1200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) "Bill Davy" <Bill@SynectixLtd.com> - 2015-04-23 08:05 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-25 10:10 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-26 09:27 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-26 10:55 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-04-26 07:19 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-26 12:59 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-04-28 07:07 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Morris Dovey <mrdovey@iedu.com> - 2015-04-28 09:51 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-04-28 08:04 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-28 16:19 +0100
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-04-28 19:15 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-28 16:06 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-04-28 09:39 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-28 16:51 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) guinness.tony@gmail.com - 2015-04-29 05:08 -0700
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-29 13:47 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-28 13:03 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2015-05-10 12:24 -0400
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-04-21 18:12 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> - 2015-04-21 19:34 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-21 12:46 -0500
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-04-22 07:42 +1200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> - 2015-04-21 20:13 +0000
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-04-22 10:52 +0200
Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-04-22 09:18 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-04-21 22:25 +0000
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-23 15:59 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-23 11:51 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-23 11:26 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-20 16:15 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 17:23 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 13:17 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-20 15:26 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-20 16:15 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-04-21 00:42 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-22 11:15 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 21:50 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-04-20 17:04 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 08:22 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-19 18:23 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-04-19 13:22 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-19 21:51 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 10:01 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-04-20 05:08 -0500
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-04-20 11:37 +0100
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-23 20:13 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-04-18 09:15 +0200
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 12:13 -0700
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-04-16 23:40 -0400
Re: Problems with va_list & friends... Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-04-18 08:11 -0700
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-04-21 10:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mh5pu1$el9$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60632 |
On 21-Apr-15 06:57, Kenny McCormack wrote: > It's kinda the Microsoft (and, for that matter, that of the US of A) > attitude; we're big enough that even though we're "wrong" about many > things, we're big enough that people will follow and do things our > way regardless. > > For example, the US's insistence on not using the metric system. That's more legislative neglect than insistence: Congress feels such things are best left to industry to decide, and industry is (so far) unwilling to take the short-term hit in return for long-term gains. (Though, as dysfunctional as Congress has become, even if they agreed it was their job to set policy, they still couldn't get anything done.) S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) |
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| Date | 2015-04-21 15:38 +0000 |
| Subject | The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh5qud$5gf$1@news.xmission.com> |
| In reply to | #60648 |
In article <mh5pu1$el9$1@dont-email.me>, Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: ... >> For example, the US's insistence on not using the metric system. > >That's more legislative neglect than insistence: Congress feels such >things are best left to industry to decide, and industry is (so far) >unwilling to take the short-term hit in return for long-term gains. Kinda "You say tomaytoe, I say tomahtoe". My view is that industry is by nature and certainly by recent (since Reagan) US practice so short sighted that they simply don't see any reason to switch. Why take the hit? Incidentally, Canada almost succeeded in switching, but failed because of the great influence US practice has on their policies. The result is an ugly mishmash, where some things are quoted in metric and other things are quoted in US units. It must be very confusing for them... >(Though, as dysfunctional as Congress has become, even if they agreed it >was their job to set policy, they still couldn't get anything done.) You got that right. -- Prayer has no place in the public schools, just like facts have no place in organized religion. -- Superintendent Chalmers
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| From | Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-21 15:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <psuZw.31252$5b5.12618@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #60650 |
On 2015-04-21, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote: > In article <mh5pu1$el9$1@dont-email.me>, > Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote: > ... >>> For example, the US's insistence on not using the metric system. >> >>That's more legislative neglect than insistence: Congress feels such >>things are best left to industry to decide, and industry is (so far) >>unwilling to take the short-term hit in return for long-term gains. > > Kinda "You say tomaytoe, I say tomahtoe". My view is that industry is by > nature and certainly by recent (since Reagan) US practice so short sighted > that they simply don't see any reason to switch. Why take the hit? > > Incidentally, Canada almost succeeded in switching, but failed because of > the great influence US practice has on their policies. The result is an > ugly mishmash, where some things are quoted in metric and other things are > quoted in US units. It must be very confusing for them... > We did switch and a long time ago. I can't think of any area where imperial measurements are used though some of us of a certain age may have mentally flip-flopped at times. If you are under 40 and Canadian I doubt you would have used imperial measure for anything. -- http://www.softsprocket.com
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| From | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-21 18:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh6064$929$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60655 |
On 21/04/2015 16:58, Greg Martin wrote: > On 2015-04-21, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote: >> Incidentally, Canada almost succeeded in switching, but failed because of >> the great influence US practice has on their policies. The result is an >> ugly mishmash, where some things are quoted in metric and other things are >> quoted in US units. It must be very confusing for them... >> > > We did switch and a long time ago. I can't think of any area where > imperial measurements are used though some of us of a certain age may > have mentally flip-flopped at times. If you are under 40 and Canadian I > doubt you would have used imperial measure for anything. What do you ask for in a Subway, a foot-long sub or a 30.48cm-long one? What size screen are you looking at now, a 23" (or whatever), or a 58 cm one? Do people still join the mile-high club, is it now the 1.61km-high one? Etc. Imperial is still around. -- Bartc
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| From | Greg Martin <greg.at.softsprocket@dot.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-21 17:42 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <PZvZw.333992$IH4.134893@fx08.iad> |
| In reply to | #60660 |
On 2015-04-21, Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote: > On 21/04/2015 16:58, Greg Martin wrote: >> On 2015-04-21, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote: > >>> Incidentally, Canada almost succeeded in switching, but failed because of >>> the great influence US practice has on their policies. The result is an >>> ugly mishmash, where some things are quoted in metric and other things are >>> quoted in US units. It must be very confusing for them... >>> >> >> We did switch and a long time ago. I can't think of any area where >> imperial measurements are used though some of us of a certain age may >> have mentally flip-flopped at times. If you are under 40 and Canadian I >> doubt you would have used imperial measure for anything. > > What do you ask for in a Subway, a foot-long sub or a 30.48cm-long one? > > What size screen are you looking at now, a 23" (or whatever), or a 58 cm > one? > > Do people still join the mile-high club, is it now the 1.61km-high one? > Etc. Imperial is still around. > Those are linguistic examples more then usage examples. The screen size will be listed in metric even if the US usage is referenced. If you buy a 2x4 in Canada it isn't one and more then 8p nail is in the USA. -- http://www.softsprocket.com
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 10:47 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh7n5s$55l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60660 |
On 21/04/15 19:09, Bartc wrote: > On 21/04/2015 16:58, Greg Martin wrote: >> On 2015-04-21, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote: > >>> Incidentally, Canada almost succeeded in switching, but failed >>> because of >>> the great influence US practice has on their policies. The result is an >>> ugly mishmash, where some things are quoted in metric and other >>> things are >>> quoted in US units. It must be very confusing for them... >>> >> >> We did switch and a long time ago. I can't think of any area where >> imperial measurements are used though some of us of a certain age may >> have mentally flip-flopped at times. If you are under 40 and Canadian I >> doubt you would have used imperial measure for anything. > > What do you ask for in a Subway, a foot-long sub or a 30.48cm-long one? > > What size screen are you looking at now, a 23" (or whatever), or a 58 cm > one? > > Do people still join the mile-high club, is it now the 1.61km-high one? > Etc. Imperial is still around. > People in most countries use imperial measurements for some rough descriptions - but they /measure/ in metric. Even in thoroughly metric Norway, there are some things that are described in imperial units, especially things which came from (or used to come from) the USA or the UK. So screens are classified in inches, and small boats are given in feet. Even in the UK, where people still buy beer in pints and the older generation use Fahrenheit for warm days (but Celsius when it is below freezing), measurements are almost always metric unless they are dealing with Americans.
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 20:56 +1200 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <cpp62fFl9enU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #60709 |
David Brown wrote: > > People in most countries use imperial measurements for some rough > descriptions - but they /measure/ in metric. Even in thoroughly metric > Norway, there are some things that are described in imperial units, > especially things which came from (or used to come from) the USA or the > UK. So screens are classified in inches, and small boats are given in feet. Tyre sizes are the ultimate hybrid of metric (width) and imperial (rim size) measurements. -- Ian Collins
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| From | guinness.tony@gmail.com |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 03:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <d222eebf-b651-411e-9688-679f7b498a20@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #60711 |
On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 09:56:57 UTC+1, Ian Collins wrote: > > Tyre sizes are the ultimate hybrid of metric (width) and imperial (rim > size) measurements. This reminds me of a tale my father told me when I was younger: He'd gone to the local timber yard to get some wood for a DIY project he'd just started. "What can I get for you, sir?" asked the vendor. "I need some four-by-two," he replied. "Sorry, sir. We now only stock 100x50mm." "OK, yes, of course - metrication and all that - yes, that will be fine." "How much do you need, sir?" "Um, a couple of metres?" "Sorry, sir. We only sell it by the foot." " *splutter* "
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 11:01 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh8gjg$9sr$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60711 |
On 22-Apr-15 03:56, Ian Collins wrote: > David Brown wrote: >> People in most countries use imperial measurements for some rough >> descriptions - but they /measure/ in metric. Even in thoroughly >> metric Norway, there are some things that are described in imperial >> units, especially things which came from (or used to come from) the >> USA or the UK. So screens are classified in inches, and small >> boats are given in feet. > > Tyre sizes are the ultimate hybrid of metric (width) and imperial > (rim size) measurements. Don't forget the middle number, which is a ratio between the sidewall height and tread width--neither imperial nor metric! Or the letter, which is an arbitrary code for the speed rating/tread life. This is the textbook example of unit confusion. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-23 08:17 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <d72a4db7-633c-4099-bd9d-1ef9c38da1a2@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #60746 |
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 5:02:00 PM UTC+1, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 22-Apr-15 03:56, Ian Collins wrote: > > Tyre sizes are the ultimate hybrid of metric (width) and imperial > > (rim size) measurements. > > Don't forget the middle number, which is a ratio between the sidewall > height and tread width--neither imperial nor metric! Or the letter, > which is an arbitrary code for the speed rating/tread life. And that's just car tyres, you should try buying bicycle tyres. These will either be: i) Imperial [with fractions (28" x 1 3/4) or decimals (28" x 1.75)] - usually on mountain bikes ii) Metric / ISO [e.g. 622mm] iii) French [700x23c which is really 700c x 23, which is very much not the same size as 700a x 23. The 23 is "mm" but the 700 used to be but now doesn't really correspond to a physical unit of anything. The key thing is that 700c means "700mm / wide fitting", and that 99.9% of 700c tyres are 622m across and very narrow]
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| From | Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 10:21 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh7p42$cag$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60709 |
On 22/04/15 09:47, David Brown wrote: <snip> > > People in most countries use imperial measurements for some rough > descriptions - but they /measure/ in metric. At school, they taught me to use English measurements in day-to-day life, and SI measurements in the laboratory. It is a policy that I have always dutifully observed. > Even in thoroughly metric > Norway, there are some things that are described in imperial units, > especially things which came from (or used to come from) the USA or the > UK. So screens are classified in inches, and small boats are given in feet. Naturally. (Unless you're sailing across the lab.) > Even in the UK, where people still buy beer in pints and the older > generation use Fahrenheit for warm days (but Celsius when it is below > freezing), measurements are almost always metric unless they are dealing > with Americans. I no longer buy beer in pints, but I could if I wanted and I would if I did. Despite not yet aspiring to the giddy heights of "older generation", I use Fahrenheit /without exception/ for measuring temperature (except for scientific applications, where obviously I use kelvins instead). I see no reason to switch to Celsius just because the temperature drops below 32. (In fact, I see no reason whatsoever for Celsius to even exist.) If I happen to be entering a laboratory just as the temperature drops below 32, I will gladly switch to the more optimistic "high 200s" while trying to figure out how to break enough ice to free my dinghy. -- Richard Heathfield Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk "Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999 Sig line 4 vacant - apply within
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 11:17 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh8hh5$drk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60713 |
On 22-Apr-15 04:21, Richard Heathfield wrote: > On 22/04/15 09:47, David Brown wrote: >> People in most countries use imperial measurements for some rough >> descriptions - but they /measure/ in metric. > > At school, they taught me to use English measurements in day-to-day > life, and SI measurements in the laboratory. It is a policy that I > have always dutifully observed. In my (US) schools, science classes used metric, but that's it. As a result, students promptly forget the metric system as soon as they graduate--aside from those who go into scientific fields, obviously. Part of the problem is that without daily use, we don't get a sense of how "big" the various SI units are; I know what a pound feels like, but not a kilogram. Substituting meters for yards and liters for quarts mostly works, but kilometers and Celsius require a more complicated conversion. For the less common units, e.g. Newtons, I don't even know the non-metric one, so they're mostly irrelevant. One that really frustrates me is the "kilowatt-hour" since it would be trivial to use Joules instead. Ditto for measuring natural gas in ccf (100 cu ft) vs. liters. Utilities could just as easily switch to metric units and nobody would care; most wouldn't even notice! S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 09:59 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <3d5a4087-a9bf-4f81-8bae-01f1ed2bbf83@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #60750 |
On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 9:17:45 AM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 22-Apr-15 04:21, Richard Heathfield wrote: > > On 22/04/15 09:47, David Brown wrote: > >> People in most countries use imperial measurements for some rough > >> descriptions - but they /measure/ in metric. > > > > At school, they taught me to use English measurements in day-to-day > > life, and SI measurements in the laboratory. It is a policy that I > > have always dutifully observed. > > In my (US) schools, science classes used metric, but that's it. As a > result, students promptly forget the metric system as soon as they > graduate--aside from those who go into scientific fields, obviously. > > Part of the problem is that without daily use, we don't get a sense of > how "big" the various SI units are; I know what a pound feels like, but > not a kilogram. Substituting meters for yards and liters for quarts > mostly works, but kilometers and Celsius require a more complicated > conversion. For the less common units, e.g. Newtons, I don't even know > the non-metric one, so they're mostly irrelevant. > > One that really frustrates me is the "kilowatt-hour" since it would be > trivial to use Joules instead. Ditto for measuring natural gas in ccf > (100 cu ft) vs. liters. Utilities could just as easily switch to metric > units and nobody would care; most wouldn't even notice! My favorite unit is the acre-foot - used to measure large amounts of water - an acre of water a foot deep. If you are thinking in terms of resevoirs it makes perfect sense. I suppose the metric version would be hectare-meter but I don't think anybody uses that.
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| From | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 18:48 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh8mrc$5el$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60754 |
On 22/04/2015 17:59, David Kleinecke wrote: > On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 9:17:45 AM UTC-7, Stephen Sprunk wrote: >> One that really frustrates me is the "kilowatt-hour" since it would be >> trivial to use Joules instead. Ditto for measuring natural gas in ccf >> (100 cu ft) vs. liters. Utilities could just as easily switch to metric >> units and nobody would care; most wouldn't even notice! > > My favorite unit is the acre-foot - used to measure large amounts of water > - an acre of water a foot deep. If you are thinking in terms of resevoirs > it makes perfect sense. I suppose the metric version would be > hectare-meter but I don't think anybody uses that. A hectare-metre would simply be 10,000 cubic metres. So it would be used but without having a specific name (AFAIK) for that particular power-of-ten multiple of a cubic metre. Which highlights a problem with the metric system where all these different multiples of units blend into each other causing confusions and making things more error-prone. Another disadvantage being that a volume expressed in cubic metres could refer to almost anything. But acre-foot quantities might be specifically associated with volumes of water so such a quantity is less likely to be mistakenly given as a medicinal dose if, for example, the decimal point was in completely the wrong place. -- Bartc
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 14:35 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mh8t4t$28b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #60765 |
On 22-Apr-15 12:48, Bartc wrote: > On 22/04/2015 17:59, David Kleinecke wrote: >> Stephen Sprunk wrote: >>> One that really frustrates me is the "kilowatt-hour" since it >>> would be trivial to use Joules instead. Ditto for measuring >>> natural gas in ccf (100 cu ft) vs. liters. Utilities could just >>> as easily switch to metric units and nobody would care; most >>> wouldn't even notice! >> >> My favorite unit is the acre-foot - used to measure large amounts >> of water - an acre of water a foot deep. If you are thinking in >> terms of resevoirs it makes perfect sense. I suppose the metric >> version would be hectare-meter but I don't think anybody uses >> that. > > A hectare-metre would simply be 10,000 cubic metres. In the context it's typically used, you're rarely going to have water that deep, and nobody knows how many hectares their property is anyway. The acre is somewhat special in the US for historical reasons: most of the US (by land area, not population) was surveyed into "sections" of one square mile and homesteaded by quarter-quarter sections (40ac) for farming or quarter sections (160ac) for ranching. Virtually everyone, at least outside urban areas, knows what 40ac looks like; if you have half a foot of water on your farm, that's obviously 20 acre-feet. In urban and suburban areas, you just have to deal with inertia; few people really know what an actual acre looks like, and since lots are often oddly shaped anyways, you could measure them in square feet or square meters without affecting much. > So it would be used but without having a specific name (AFAIK) for > that particular power-of-ten multiple of a cubic metre. Which > highlights a problem with the metric system where all these different > multiples of units blend into each other causing confusions and > making things more error-prone. I dunno, I find not having to multiply by constants easier, especially if I'm doing the math in my head. What I lack is a sense of whether the answer "looks right", but that would come with more experience. > Another disadvantage being that a volume expressed in cubic metres > could refer to almost anything. But acre-foot quantities might be > specifically associated with volumes of water so such a quantity is > less likely to be mistakenly given as a medicinal dose if, for > example, the decimal point was in completely the wrong place. Fair enough, but most such errors are off by so much that, if you actually tried to use them for something, you'd notice the problem. More troubling are the cases where someone uses the wrong conversion factor--either within non-SI units or between SI and non-SI units, where the result may _look_ reasonable but is still quite wrong. NASA crashed one of its craft into Mars due to such a mistake, and Air Canada nearly lost a plane (see "Gimli Glider") due to a similar one. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.lists@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-04-22 21:22 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system |
| Message-ID | <878udjap5s.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #60765 |
Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes: <snip> > Another disadvantage being that a volume expressed in cubic metres > could refer to almost anything. That can also make for cute facts. For example, fuel consumption, now given in l/100km is obviously just an area. It's small -- typically less than 1mm^2 -- but it has a physical meaning. If you ditched your fuel tank and filled up on the fly by scooping petrol out of a road-side trench (like some steam trains did for getting water), that area is the size of pipe you'd need for continuous running. <snip> -- Ben.
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| From | raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) |
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| Date | 2015-04-25 09:58 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <553b5bdb.6045281@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #60765 |
Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote: > So it would be used but without having a specific name (AFAIK) for that > particular power-of-ten multiple of a cubic metre. Which highlights a > problem with the metric system where all these different multiples of > units blend into each other causing confusions and making things more > error-prone. I don't understand this objection. I also don't understand this feature of British trivia quizzes where every now and then you get a question on the line of "a kilometre is how many hectometres" and the candidates have to _think_ about this even though they proved recently to know that a hectogram is a tenth of a kilogram. To me, it's a distinct advantage that a kilosomething is always, always one thousand of that something, and a decipotrzebie is guaranteed to be one tenth of a potrzebie even if I don't know quite what a potrzebie is[1]. You can rely on the metric system. If a certain cable is a kilogram per metre, then I also know that it's 2 kg per 2 m, 10 kg per 10 m a.k.a. dam, and 1 gram per millimetre. Now try this in the "less confusing" Imperial system. It's a pound per yard. _How_ many stones per furlong? It'll probably be something like 22/15, but who knows what factors are going to figure in if we go to smaller units, not larger? _Not_ something related in any way to that hypothetical 22/15th, I can tell you that! What's more, if the measure isn't mass per length but per volume, the factors change _again_. Really, having problems figuring out that the same metric prefix means the same factor no matter which unit follows is, to me, very similar to complaining that it's confusing that both ints and float (and even structs!) form pointers with * and arrays with []. No sane C programmer wants int pointers to be int *, float pointers float $, and struct pointers struct #. No sane person should want different factors for different real life units, either. Richard [1] It's the thickness of MAD #26, by the way.
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| From | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-25 12:33 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mhfu0o$5j7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61056 |
On 25/04/2015 10:58, Richard Bos wrote: > Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote: > >> So it would be used but without having a specific name (AFAIK) for that >> particular power-of-ten multiple of a cubic metre. Which highlights a >> problem with the metric system where all these different multiples of >> units blend into each other causing confusions and making things more >> error-prone. > To me, it's a distinct advantage that a kilosomething is always, always > one thousand of that something, and a decipotrzebie is guaranteed to be > one tenth of a potrzebie even if I don't know quite what a potrzebie > is[1]. So is a 'thousand' always a thousand of something, as is 1000. You can still use the decimal system with imperial measures. You can rely on the metric system. If a certain cable is a > kilogram per metre, then I also know that it's 2 kg per 2 m, 10 kg per > 10 m a.k.a. dam, and 1 gram per millimetre. > Now try this in the "less confusing" Imperial system. It's a pound per > yard. _How_ many stones per furlong? That just doesn't happen. You use 'stone' for measuring people's weight, in a way that everyone understands. You don't need to convert it to anything else, and you wouldn't use it for scientific work. But if you did, then a stone is 6350.288 grams. With metric, I frequently get mm and cm mixed up when they occur on plans on in measurements. Those 4' laminate floorboards will be 122.0 or 1220 or 1.220 or 12.20 in metric, according to whether we use cm or mm or m or dm. Notice they are always the same digits with the only difference being the decimal point so you'd better get it right! 122mm is ten times too small, and 1220cm is ten times too big. In imperial it will be 48 or 4 for inches and feet. The 48 is a multiple of 12 which is an extra cue that it probably denotes inches. BTW here's a little puzzle, try and match following categories of things to be measured: Person's weight (UK) Sack of potatoes Markings on rotary kitchen scales Person's weight (USA) with the corresponding units chosen from this list (lbs, ounces, stone, hundredweight). In imperial is easy to guess which is which. But now try the same thing with metric: (Kg, Kg, Kg, Kg). It's a little bit trickier... -- Bartc
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| From | raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) |
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| Date | 2015-04-25 12:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <553b83a9.16235406@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #61072 |
Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote: > On 25/04/2015 10:58, Richard Bos wrote: > > You can rely on the metric system. If a certain cable is a > > kilogram per metre, then I also know that it's 2 kg per 2 m, 10 kg per > > 10 m a.k.a. dam, and 1 gram per millimetre. > > Now try this in the "less confusing" Imperial system. It's a pound per > > yard. _How_ many stones per furlong? > > That just doesn't happen. You use 'stone' for measuring people's weight, > in a way that everyone understands. Well, make it how many _tonnes_ per furlong, then. Or per fathom, if that's also wrong. Or are those only used for bulk coal? > With metric, I frequently get mm and cm mixed up when they occur on > plans on in measurements. Well, sorry, but I'll have to be harsh, then: that's _your_ problem, not the system's. Millions upon millions of people in the civilised world manage not to confuse mm and cm on a daily basis; if you Limeys and your colonial overlords are too dense to do so, don't blame the SI, blame your genes and your educational system. > BTW here's a little puzzle, try and match following categories of things > to be measured: > > Person's weight (UK) > Sack of potatoes > Markings on rotary kitchen scales > Person's weight (USA) > > with the corresponding units chosen from this list (lbs, ounces, stone, > hundredweight). > > In imperial is easy to guess which is which. But now try the same thing > with metric: (Kg, Kg, Kg, Kg). It's a little bit trickier... On the contrary, it's easier. It's all kg (and not a Kelvin-gram, either, whatever _that_ is). What could be easier? And you don't even need to buy three different scales to weigh Limeys, Merkins, and the rather more intelligent sacks of spuds. You can weigh them all on the same bathroom scale. Bags of potting soil, too. Very convenient. Hey, if I can carry a 10-kg sack of soil easily, I can carry a 10-kg toddler! If I can carry a sack of soil 1/10th a hundredweight - sorry, that should be 3.5 of the next unit down, whatever that is, dry bushels probably - I can carry a child weighing... goodness knows how many stones. Nah, give me the simplicity of knowing what the next unit up is. I can do without all those prime-number conversion factors. Richard
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| From | Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-25 13:51 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: The Metric system (Was: Problems with va_list & friends...) |
| Message-ID | <mhg2j3$lpe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #61076 |
On 25/04/2015 13:18, Richard Bos wrote: > Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> wrote: >> BTW here's a little puzzle, try and match following categories of things >> to be measured: >> >> Person's weight (UK) >> Sack of potatoes >> Markings on rotary kitchen scales >> Person's weight (USA) >> >> with the corresponding units chosen from this list (lbs, ounces, stone, >> hundredweight). >> >> In imperial is easy to guess which is which. But now try the same thing >> with metric: (Kg, Kg, Kg, Kg). It's a little bit trickier... > > On the contrary, it's easier. It's all kg (and not a Kelvin-gram, > either, whatever _that_ is). What could be easier? Yes, it's easy to get it wrong. If there was a quantity associated with each, or some context that you had to deduce, then which kg is which becomes important. (Imperial measures sometimes have a pattern that don't even need a unit specified. So I can read in an American pulp novel that someone is 38, five-ten and 180, and is hit with a length of four-by-two (or shot with a .22), and know exactly what it means. A piece of 100x50mm (nominal) doesn't quite have the same ring. It could also refer to anything.) > Nah, give me the simplicity of knowing what the next unit up is. I can > do without all those prime-number conversion factors. Presumably you don't have problem with 60 seconds in a minute, and 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day, 7 days in a week and so on? If someone was to bring in a metric system of dividing up a day, you would probably rebel against no matter how much sense it all made. -- Bartc
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