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  Chris Torek CrazyBoB <NoWay@GoAway.net> - 2011-07-26 01:57 -0500
    Re: Chris Torek Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-07-26 07:56 +0000
    Re: Chris Torek Uno <Uno@example.invalid> - 2011-07-27 21:47 -0600
      Re: Chris Torek Todd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com> - 2011-07-28 12:41 +0000
        Re: Chris Torek jt@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) - 2011-07-28 19:04 +0000
          Re: Chris Torek tm <thomas.mertes@gmx.at> - 2011-08-01 11:58 -0700
          Re: Chris Torek Uno <merrilljensen@q.com> - 2011-08-04 02:24 -0700
          Re: Chris Torek "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2011-08-07 21:41 -0400
            Re: Chris Torek James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-08-08 11:00 -0400
            Re: Chris Torek Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2011-08-10 07:22 -0700
              Re: Chris Torek Jack <spamtrap@trashcan.invalid> - 2011-08-10 20:43 +0000
                Re: Chris Torek Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-08-10 13:50 -0700
        Re: Chris Torek "J. J. Farrell" <jjf@bcs.org.uk> - 2011-07-28 20:48 +0100
          Re: Chris Torek Todd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com> - 2011-07-29 05:44 +0000
          Re: Chris Torek Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2011-08-01 12:22 -0700
            Re: Chris Torek Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2011-08-01 21:14 -0400
        Re: Chris Torek Seebs <usenet-nospam@seebs.net> - 2011-07-28 23:31 +0000
          Re: Chris Torek Uno <merrilljensen@q.com> - 2011-08-04 02:33 -0700

#8710 — Chris Torek

Wow!  I just found a post from Chris Torek from 1985!  I think it was 
from an old FIDO posting...neat-o anyway...

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#8718

On 2011-07-26, CrazyBoB <NoWay@GoAway.net> wrote:
> Wow!  I just found a post from Chris Torek from 1985!  I think it was 
> from an old FIDO posting...neat-o anyway...

1985?  Wow.  That's a ways back.  I don't think I encountered him on
Usenet until '88 or so.  (Trivia point:  He's now one of my coworkers;
we do compiler/toolchain stuff mostly.)

-s
-- 
Copyright 2011, all wrongs reversed.  Peter Seebach / usenet-nospam@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
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I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions.

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#8796

On 07/26/2011 12:57 AM, CrazyBoB wrote:
> Wow! I just found a post from Chris Torek from 1985! I think it was from
> an old FIDO posting...neat-o anyway...

Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since 
I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.

Salt Laka City is a small world, and one snowy day I'm gonna bump into 
him as we're both grabbing a coffee to go.  I'll recognize him by the 
coffee stains on his book _File Systems for Starfleet_.
-- 
Uno

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#8807

On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:

> Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
> I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.

Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at 
this site is the same one... <http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>

Todd :)

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#8820

Todd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Weld, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:

> > Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
> > I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.

> Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at 
> this site is the same one... <http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>

Yes, that's him. He used to post here until two or three
years ago and each and every posting was very useful and
helpful - I think all regulars agreed on that (something
not happening too often;-) And his "tutorial" at

http://67.40.109.61/torek/c/index.html

is still very worth reading and understanding. It's a pity
and a loss for this group that he stopped posting here...

                             Regards, Jens
-- 
  \   Jens Thoms Toerring  ___      jt@toerring.de
   \__________________________      http://toerring.de

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#8933

On 28 Jul., 21:04, j...@toerring.de (Jens Thoms Toerring) wrote:
> Todd Carnes <toddcar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Weld, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:
> > > Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
> > > I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.
> > Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at
> > this site is the same one... <http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>
>
> Yes, that's him. He used to post here until two or three
> years ago and each and every posting was very useful and
> helpful - I think all regulars agreed on that (something
> not happening too often;-) And his "tutorial" at
>
> http://67.40.109.61/torek/c/index.html

I find this statements interesting:

  Standard C is quite limited.  It has no networking, no
  graphics, no mouse support; it cannot start processes,
  print to printers, and so on.

He distinguish between standard language + standard libraries
and other, maybe nonportable, libraries. What is granted
(standard language + standard libraries) and what may be
available on your OS or with your IDE are different things.

For portable programs granted things are much more important,
than other libraries which may or may not be available under
another OS or compiler.


Greetings Thomas Mertes

--
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Seed7 - The extensible programming language: User defined statements
and operators, abstract data types, templates without special
syntax, OO with interfaces and multiple dispatch, statically typed,
interpreted or compiled, portable, runs under linux/unix/windows.

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#9016

On 7/28/2011 12:04 PM, Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> Todd Carnes<toddcarnes@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Weld, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:
>
>>> Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
>>> I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.
>
>> Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at
>> this site is the same one...<http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>
>
> Yes, that's him. He used to post here until two or three
> years ago and each and every posting was very useful and
> helpful - I think all regulars agreed on that (something
> not happening too often;-) And his "tutorial" at
>
> http://67.40.109.61/torek/c/index.html
>
> is still very worth reading and understanding. It's a pity
> and a loss for this group that he stopped posting here...
>
>                               Regards, Jens

I remember on one particular occasion when Cbfalconer and Keith Thompson 
had announced my departure that he crossed that line of stupid orthodoxy 
and gave me the 4 paragraphs of what I was looking for.

-- 
Uno

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#9066

Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
... It's a pity
> and a loss for this group that he stopped posting here...

    As it seems everyone with any sanity has. Neither does Torvalds or 
Dennis RItchie post here.

B

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#9078

On 08/07/2011 09:41 PM, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
> ... It's a pity
>> and a loss for this group that he stopped posting here...
> 
>     As it seems everyone with any sanity has. ...

I note that you still post here.

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#9143

On Aug 8, 4:41 am, "Bill Cunningham" <nos...@nspam.invalid> wrote:
> Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
>
> ... It's a pity
>
> > and a loss for this group that he stopped posting here...
>
> As it seems everyone with any sanity has. Neither does Torvalds or
> Dennis RItchie post here.
>
Some people did a lot of damage to the group. Most of them have now
stopped posting, but we haven't rebuilt yet.

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#9173

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:22:37 -0700, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Aug 8, 4:41 am, "Bill Cunningham" <nos...@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>> Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
>>
>> ... It's a pity
>>
>> > and a loss for this group that he stopped posting here...
>>
>> As it seems everyone with any sanity has. Neither does Torvalds or
>> Dennis RItchie post here.
>>
> Some people did a lot of damage to the group. Most of them have now
> stopped posting, but we haven't rebuilt yet.

Yes, it will take a long time for Richard HeathField's poisonous legacy 
to be overcome.

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#9174

Jack <spamtrap@trashcan.invalid> writes:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:22:37 -0700, Malcolm McLean wrote:
>> On Aug 8, 4:41 am, "Bill Cunningham" <nos...@nspam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Jens Thoms Toerring wrote:
>>>
>>> ... It's a pity
>>>
>>> > and a loss for this group that he stopped posting here...
>>>
>>> As it seems everyone with any sanity has. Neither does Torvalds or
>>> Dennis RItchie post here.
>>>
>> Some people did a lot of damage to the group. Most of them have now
>> stopped posting, but we haven't rebuilt yet.
>
> Yes, it will take a long time for Richard HeathField's poisonous legacy 
> to be overcome.

*plonk*

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Nokia
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#8826

Todd Carnes wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:
> 
>> Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
>> I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.
> 
> Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at 
> this site is the same one... <http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>

Never heard of Chris Torek? The end of the world is nigh ...

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#8861

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 20:48:09 +0100, J. J. Farrell wrote:

> Never heard of Chris Torek? The end of the world is nigh ...

LOL!

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#8935

On Jul 28, 12:48 pm, "J. J. Farrell" <j...@bcs.org.uk> wrote:
> Todd Carnes wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:
>
> >> Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
> >> I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.
>
> > Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at
> > this site is the same one... <http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>
>
> Never heard of Chris Torek? The end of the world is nigh ...

Reading a typical Chris Torek response is kind of like when my ex
girlfriend talked about menstrual her cycle. It just kind of goes over
my head after the first minute.

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#8939

On 8/1/2011 3:22 PM, Chad wrote:
> On Jul 28, 12:48 pm, "J. J. Farrell"<j...@bcs.org.uk>  wrote:
>> Todd Carnes wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:
>>
>>>> Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
>>>> I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.
>>
>>> Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at
>>> this site is the same one...<http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>
>>
>> Never heard of Chris Torek? The end of the world is nigh ...
>
> Reading a typical Chris Torek response is kind of like when my ex
> girlfriend talked about menstrual her cycle. It just kind of goes over
> my head after the first minute.

     Your head probably deserved it.  <plonk>

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid

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#8849

On 2011-07-28, Todd Carnes <toddcarnes@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:
>> Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
>> I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.

> Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at 
> this site is the same one... <http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>

That would be him, yeah.  He used to post here more, back when he was
at BSDi, or Berkeley before that.  I worked at BSDi for a while, and nowadays
we're both in Wind River's Linux group, doing various toolchain and build
system stuff.

Basically, if you use WR Linux, and you think the compiler is wrong, I'm
the guy whose job is to make you not feel bad about finding out your code
was at fault.  :P  (Actually, the compiler is sometimes wrong.)

-s
-- 
Copyright 2011, all wrongs reversed.  Peter Seebach / usenet-nospam@seebs.net
http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated!
I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions.

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#9017

On 7/28/2011 4:31 PM, Seebs wrote:
> On 2011-07-28, Todd Carnes<toddcarnes@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:19 -0600, Uno wrote:
>>> Chris Torek's everywhere in C, which I've realized in particular since
>>> I've studied linux, where of course his name is on the letterhead.
>
>> Never heard of the guy... but apparently he likes cats, if the guy at
>> this site is the same one...<http://67.40.109.61/torek/index.html>
>
> That would be him, yeah.  He used to post here more, back when he was
> at BSDi, or Berkeley before that.  I worked at BSDi for a while, and nowadays
> we're both in Wind River's Linux group, doing various toolchain and build
> system stuff.
>
> Basically, if you use WR Linux, and you think the compiler is wrong, I'm
> the guy whose job is to make you not feel bad about finding out your code
> was at fault.  :P  (Actually, the compiler is sometimes wrong.)
>
> -s

And here I was looking for the reason that you're a prejudiced prick.
-- 
Uno

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