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  Dear Janus - Get a newsreader Spanky <Spankme@noway.com> - 2011-05-18 17:46 -0500
    Re: Dear Janus - Get a newsreader James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2011-05-18 19:38 -0400
      Re: Dear Janus - Get a newsreader Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-19 11:42 +1200
      Re: Dear Janus - Get a newsreader Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2011-05-18 17:19 -0700
        Re: Dear Janus - Get a newsreader Paul N <gw7rib@aol.com> - 2011-05-19 14:07 -0700
          Re: Dear Janus - Get a newsreader Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-20 09:14 +1200
        Re: Dear Janus - Get a newsreader "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2011-05-19 16:43 -0500
          Re: Dear Janus - Get a newsreader Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2011-05-20 09:54 +1200

#4255 — Dear Janus - Get a newsreader

Please stop creating a new thread for each time you reply to a message. 
  I think this might have to do with the crummy way that google handles 
newsgroups, though I'm sure that there must be an option to fix it 
somewhere.  Perhaps an actual newsreader would be a better option if you 
plan to continue to read and comment in newsgroups.  Many thanks,

Me.

-- 
BlooP!¡

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#4258

On 05/18/2011 06:46 PM, Spanky wrote:
> Please stop creating a new thread for each time you reply to a message. 
>   I think this might have to do with the crummy way that google handles 
> newsgroups, though I'm sure that there must be an option to fix it 
> somewhere.

I think you're giving Google too much credit there. As far as I can
tell, Google Groups provides no such option. If you locate that option,
please let us know.

-- 
James Kuyper

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#4259

On 05/19/11 11:38 AM, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 05/18/2011 06:46 PM, Spanky wrote:
>> Please stop creating a new thread for each time you reply to a message.
>>    I think this might have to do with the crummy way that google handles
>> newsgroups, though I'm sure that there must be an option to fix it
>> somewhere.
>
> I think you're giving Google too much credit there. As far as I can
> tell, Google Groups provides no such option. If you locate that option,
> please let us know.

Don't use the even more sociopathic "new" interface.

-- 
Ian Collins

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#4262

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> On 05/18/2011 06:46 PM, Spanky wrote:
>> Please stop creating a new thread for each time you reply to a message. 
>>   I think this might have to do with the crummy way that google handles 
>> newsgroups, though I'm sure that there must be an option to fix it 
>> somewhere.
>
> I think you're giving Google too much credit there. As far as I can
> tell, Google Groups provides no such option. If you locate that option,
> please let us know.

Just go back to the "old" interface.  It still strips the trailing
blank from "-- " signature delimiters and mangles any e-mail
addresses that appear in the body of the message (including in
attribution lines), but at least it quotes properly and sets the
References: header.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Nokia
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#4373

On May 19, 1:19 am, Keith Thompson <ks...@mib.org> wrote:
> Just go back to the "old" interface.  It still strips the trailing
> blank from "-- " signature delimiters and mangles any e-mail
> addresses that appear in the body of the message (including in
> attribution lines), but at least it quotes properly and sets the
> References: header.

There's one slight oddity with the quoting - if it sees a } on a line
by itself, it seems to insert a blank line just before it. Which, if
it is the end of a function, looks odd.

Mangling the email addresses is deliberate; by default (ie if you
haven't gone through a Captcha) it will do this so bad people can't
use the interface to get loads of email addresses. But, as it (or at
least it used to, not sure if it still does) posts your own email
address in clear, it makes it fully available to any bad people who
are extracting email addresses from other USENET readers. I presume
this is the reason I get spam on my home address. Thanks a lot.

I've not tried the new interface yet - apologies in advance if it
misbehaves on me.

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#4376

On 05/20/11 09:07 AM, Paul N wrote:
> On May 19, 1:19 am, Keith Thompson<ks...@mib.org>  wrote:
>> Just go back to the "old" interface.  It still strips the trailing
>> blank from "-- " signature delimiters and mangles any e-mail
>> addresses that appear in the body of the message (including in
>> attribution lines), but at least it quotes properly and sets the
>> References: header.
>
> There's one slight oddity with the quoting - if it sees a } on a line
> by itself, it seems to insert a blank line just before it. Which, if
> it is the end of a function, looks odd.
>
> Mangling the email addresses is deliberate; by default (ie if you
> haven't gone through a Captcha) it will do this so bad people can't
> use the interface to get loads of email addresses. But, as it (or at
> least it used to, not sure if it still does) posts your own email
> address in clear, it makes it fully available to any bad people who
> are extracting email addresses from other USENET readers. I presume
> this is the reason I get spam on my home address. Thanks a lot.
>
> I've not tried the new interface yet - apologies in advance if it
> misbehaves on me.

It will, it is designed to!

-- 
Ian Collins

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#4380

"Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message 
news:lnaaej4k5j.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org...
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
>> On 05/18/2011 06:46 PM, Spanky wrote:
>>> Please stop creating a new thread for each time you reply to a message.
>>>   I think this might have to do with the crummy way that google handles
>>> newsgroups, though I'm sure that there must be an option to fix it
>>> somewhere.
>>
>> I think you're giving Google too much credit there. As far as I can
>> tell, Google Groups provides no such option. If you locate that option,
>> please let us know.
>
> Just go back to the "old" interface.  It still strips the trailing
> blank from "-- " signature delimiters and mangles any e-mail
> addresses that appear in the body of the message (including in
> attribution lines), but at least it quotes properly and sets the
> References: header.

I still maintain that there are only two requirements for working on the 
Google Groups project:

1. Be an incompetent software engineer
2. Be completely ignorant of usenet

It's not like it's some cutting edge technology with no prior art. Dozens 
(probably hundreds) of newsreaders have been written over the years, some 
with functioning web interfaces. Why GG can't get basic things right is a 
mystery.



Brian

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#4385

On 05/20/11 09:43 AM, Default User wrote:
>
> I still maintain that there are only two requirements for working on the
> Google Groups project:
>
> 1. Be an incompetent software engineer
> 2. Be completely ignorant of usenet
>
> It's not like it's some cutting edge technology with no prior art. Dozens
> (probably hundreds) of newsreaders have been written over the years, some
> with functioning web interfaces. Why GG can't get basic things right is a
> mystery.

Not really a mystery.

Those of us who choose to use a conventional service don't generate any 
revenue opportunities for Google.  So they have no interest in us and 
would probably prefer we give up and use their sociopathic interface.

-- 
Ian Collins

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