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| Started by | fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2016-11-26 12:49 -0800 |
| Last post | 2016-12-01 12:33 +0800 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 567 — 30 participants |
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absence of max fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 12:49 -0800
absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 15:34 -0800
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-27 00:21 +0000
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 04:25 -0800
Re: absence of max Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2016-11-27 13:54 +0100
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-27 13:54 +0000
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-27 07:33 -0800
Re: absence of max Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 14:06 +0100
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-27 17:47 +0100
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 07:13 -0800
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-28 15:35 +0000
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 07:48 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 07:53 -0800
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 00:14 +0000
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 00:36 +0000
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 02:03 +0000
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-28 23:23 -0800
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-28 21:05 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-28 16:53 +0100
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 08:07 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:37 +0100
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 08:26 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:42 +0100
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 08:16 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 09:31 -0800
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 10:38 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 10:59 -0800
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 12:09 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 12:46 -0800
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 13:05 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 13:50 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:52 +0100
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 05:44 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 15:12 +0100
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 06:54 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-30 10:37 +0100
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 03:07 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-30 13:28 +0100
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 05:12 -0800
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-28 18:57 +0000
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 11:33 -0800
Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-28 20:09 +0000
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:55 +0100
Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 10:06 +0000
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 11:18 +0100
Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 10:28 +0000
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 10:49 +0000
Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 10:51 +0000
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 11:40 +0000
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 12:17 +0000
Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 15:18 +0000
Re: absence of max Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 18:30 +0000
Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 18:49 +0000
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-29 10:56 -0800
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 11:29 -0800
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 20:27 +0000
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Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-30 10:45 +0100
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 12:54 -0800
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Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 21:47 +0000
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 21:30 +0000
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 14:12 -0800
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Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 22:33 +0000
Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-11-29 14:52 -0800
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 15:43 -0800
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 23:51 +0000
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Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 18:10 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 12:29 -0800
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-28 21:30 +0000
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 13:47 -0800
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 14:59 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 15:13 -0800
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Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 18:01 -0800
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 02:19 +0000
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-29 13:26 -0800
Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 17:09 -0800
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 00:01 +0000
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 17:02 -0800
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 17:53 -0800
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-28 23:11 -0800
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 02:12 +0000
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 11:17 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-29 09:46 -0500
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 15:45 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-29 17:04 -0500
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-29 07:21 -0800
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 15:50 +0000
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 00:19 +0000
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Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 01:51 +0000
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Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 14:22 +0000
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-30 09:03 -0800
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Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 15:49 -0800
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-01 00:10 +0000
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 17:22 -0800
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Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 18:03 -0800
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 17:25 -0500
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Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 11:20 +0000
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Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 13:48 +0100
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 10:43 -0800
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 21:23 +0000
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 14:41 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-02 09:39 +0100
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Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 14:51 +0100
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Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 10:49 -0800
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Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 16:51 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 01:18 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 23:57 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 11:38 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 13:28 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-02 00:06 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 20:02 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-02 02:22 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 21:42 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 01:56 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 21:25 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 02:33 +0000
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-03 15:20 +0100
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-03 15:40 -0500
Re: absence of max Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 21:57 +1300
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 10:46 -0500
Re: absence of max asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-11-30 06:36 -0800
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Re: absence of max Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-30 20:50 +1300
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 11:11 +0000
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 12:00 +0000
Re: absence of max James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-30 11:32 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 19:25 +0000
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 20:45 +0000
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 12:52 -0800
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-30 14:17 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 10:14 +0100
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 07:37 -0800
Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 17:05 +0100
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 10:06 -0800
Re: absence of max James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-01 13:53 -0500
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 12:22 -0800
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Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-02 17:28 +0100
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 21:13 +0000
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 11:51 -0800
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 12:52 -0800
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 14:28 -0800
Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 14:48 -0800
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 15:00 -0800
Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-01 19:28 -0800
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-02 09:39 -0800
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-02 11:58 -0800
Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-02 13:25 -0800
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-02 13:34 -0800
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 19:32 -0500
Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-03 01:11 +0000
Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 20:48 -0500
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 02:11 +0000
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Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 02:50 +0000
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Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-03 15:46 -0500
Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-03 13:46 -0800
Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 23:29 +0000
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Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 11:33 +0000
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Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 21:31 +0000
Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-04 08:40 -0800
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Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-05 13:38 -0800
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Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-08 21:17 +0000
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Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-09 20:00 +0000
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Re: absence of max cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2016-12-10 04:44 +0000
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Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-05 22:47 -0800
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| From | Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-12-10 07:46 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <kfnvaurkcrm.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu> |
| In reply to | #98318 |
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes: > supercat@casperkitty.com writes: >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 3:53:09 PM UTC-6, Keith Thompson wrote: >>> supercat writes: >>> [...] >>>> Function prototypes make it possible to change what promotions are >>>> applied automatically, but *default* promotions doesn't require any >>>> prior declaration. >>> >>> Since C99, a function call with no visible declaration is a constraint >>> violation. (The declaration isn't required to be a prototype.) >> >> If no declaration exists a compiler is required to issue a diagnostic and >> may refuse compilation altogether. My point was that all the information >> needed to perform the default promotions will be visible at the call site >> even if no function declarations are present. > > If there's a meaningful point there, I'm not seeing it. In the absence > of a function declaration, a call is invalid. It doesn't matter what > information is available. That seems like a naive statement. Surely there are compilers for C99 that tolerate implicit function declarations in the same way that C90 did (after giving a suitable diagnostic of course). > Your statement is correct for C90 and earlier. His last paragraph is correct for C99 and C11. It actually is wrong for C90 in the sense that no diagnostic is required nor may compilation be refused solely on that basis. The comment is not about what is valid or not valid but only about what information is present. The point may seem rather trivial or inconsequential, but I don't see anything wrong with it.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-10 13:44 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lninqrwjaq.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #98702 |
Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
>> supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 3:53:09 PM UTC-6, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>> supercat writes:
>>>> [...]
>>>>> Function prototypes make it possible to change what promotions are
>>>>> applied automatically, but *default* promotions doesn't require any
>>>>> prior declaration.
>>>>
>>>> Since C99, a function call with no visible declaration is a constraint
>>>> violation. (The declaration isn't required to be a prototype.)
>>>
>>> If no declaration exists a compiler is required to issue a diagnostic and
>>> may refuse compilation altogether. My point was that all the information
>>> needed to perform the default promotions will be visible at the call site
>>> even if no function declarations are present.
>>
>> If there's a meaningful point there, I'm not seeing it. In the absence
>> of a function declaration, a call is invalid. It doesn't matter what
>> information is available.
>
> That seems like a naive statement. Surely there are compilers
> for C99 that tolerate implicit function declarations in the same
> way that C90 did (after giving a suitable diagnostic of course).
Sure -- but once they give that diagnostic, the behavior is undefined.
There is no implication in the C99 or C11 standard that such a call
should be handled using C90 rules. Of course a lot of compilers do so,
but I'm talking about what the standard requires.
>> Your statement is correct for C90 and earlier.
>
> His last paragraph is correct for C99 and C11.
The statement I was referring to was:
Function prototypes make it possible to change what promotions are
applied automatically, but *default* promotions doesn't require any
prior declaration.
Any function call requires a prior declaration. Again, I'm aware of
what information is available and what a lot of C99 compilers do, but
that's not what I was talking about.
[...]
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Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-12-14 22:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <kfnd1gthgab.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu> |
| In reply to | #98736 |
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes: > Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes: >> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes: >>> supercat@casperkitty.com writes: >>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 3:53:09 PM UTC-6, Keith Thompson wrote: >>>>> supercat writes: >>>>> [...] >>>>>> Function prototypes make it possible to change what promotions are >>>>>> applied automatically, but *default* promotions doesn't require any >>>>>> prior declaration. >>>>> >>>>> Since C99, a function call with no visible declaration is a constraint >>>>> violation. (The declaration isn't required to be a prototype.) >>>> >>>> If no declaration exists a compiler is required to issue a diagnostic and >>>> may refuse compilation altogether. My point was that all the information >>>> needed to perform the default promotions will be visible at the call site >>>> even if no function declarations are present. >>> >>> If there's a meaningful point there, I'm not seeing it. In the absence >>> of a function declaration, a call is invalid. It doesn't matter what >>> information is available. >> >> That seems like a naive statement. Surely there are compilers >> for C99 that tolerate implicit function declarations in the same >> way that C90 did (after giving a suitable diagnostic of course). > > Sure -- but once they give that diagnostic, the behavior is undefined. > There is no implication in the C99 or C11 standard that such a call > should be handled using C90 rules. Of course a lot of compilers do so, > but I'm talking about what the standard requires. > >>> Your statement is correct for C90 and earlier. >> >> His last paragraph is correct for C99 and C11. > > The statement I was referring to was: > > Function prototypes make it possible to change what promotions are > applied automatically, but *default* promotions doesn't require any > prior declaration. > > Any function call requires a prior declaration. Again, I'm aware of > what information is available and what a lot of C99 compilers do, but > that's not what I was talking about. > > [...] I understand what you were talking about. My point is that it is not what he was talking about. Since you are responding to something he said I think that should be acknowledged. There is nothing wrong with making the statement you want to make, but at the same time it seems appropriate to admit that your statement represents a change of topic (perhaps just a slight change, but a change nonetheless). My comment was expressing an opinion about etiquette, not more than that.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 17:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o2a0md$344$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #98300 |
On 12/7/2016 4:46 PM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 12/7/2016 3:30 PM, supercat wrote: >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 2:15:19 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>> On 12/7/2016 9:58 AM, supercat wrote: >>>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 8:34:19 AM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>> Just more proof you have no idea. It's impossible for the compiler to >>>>>> promote or convert parameters if it doesn't know the parameters the >>>>>> compiler required. That's what you have when the function is defined >>>>>> after the call. >>>>> >>>>> In early C, functions could be passed three kinds of arguments: int, >>>>> double, and pointer. >>>> >>>> We're not talking about C from 1972. I suggest you get with the program. >>> >>> Compilers were able to handle argument default argument promotions in 1972. >>> Adding "long" complicated things a little bit, and made it necessary to >>> manually coerce "int" values to type "long" when calling functions expecting >>> the latter type, but conversions of "char" or "short" to "int", or "float" >>> to "double" can be accomplished today just as well as they could in 1972. >> >> Not when the function was defined after the call, they couldn't. And >> they still can't - which is why we have function declarations >> (prototypes to you). > > Function prototypes make it possible to change what promotions are > applied automatically, but *default* promotions doesn't require any > prior declaration. > There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes, parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | supercat@casperkitty.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 14:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2f4f2ac9-1378-4542-a25a-b537d4a52b04@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #98304 |
On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:00:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes, > parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion. Values of float are passed as double in the absence of a prototype. Other types smaller than "int" are passed as "int". Pointers are passed in the same format as char* [relevant in systems where e.g. a char* combines a word pointer plus a byte within the word]. If such conversions aren't promotions, what are they?
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 17:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o2a2bl$97e$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #98307 |
On 12/7/2016 5:08 PM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:00:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes, >> parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion. > > Values of float are passed as double in the absence of a prototype. Other > types smaller than "int" are passed as "int". Pointers are passed in the > same format as char* [relevant in systems where e.g. a char* combines a word > pointer plus a byte within the word]. If such conversions aren't promotions, > what are they? > Where is that stated in the standard? -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 17:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o2a2eh$97e$3@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #98311 |
On 12/7/2016 5:28 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 12/7/2016 5:08 PM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:00:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes, >>> parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion. >> >> Values of float are passed as double in the absence of a prototype. Other >> types smaller than "int" are passed as "int". Pointers are passed in the >> same format as char* [relevant in systems where e.g. a char* combines a word >> pointer plus a byte within the word]. If such conversions aren't promotions, >> what are they? >> > > Where is that stated in the standard? > Never mind. I found it. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 14:49 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lnfulz1hjw.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #98307 |
supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:00:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes,
>> parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion.
>
> Values of float are passed as double in the absence of a prototype.
Correct. This is described in N1570 6.5.2.2p6.
> Other
> types smaller than "int" are passed as "int".
Incorrect. Types smaller than int whose range is a subrange
of int are promoted to int. Types smaller than int whose range
includes values exceeding INT_MAX are promoted to unsigned int.
For example, if both unsigned short and short are the same width,
unsigned short arguments are promoted to unsigned int, not to int.
This is also described in 6.5.2.2p6, referring to the *integer
promotions* defined in 6.3.1.1p2.
All this applies to calls to functions with no visible prototype, as
well as to calls to variadic functions like printf (for arguments
corresponding to the ", ..." in the prototype).
> Pointers are passed in the
> same format as char* [relevant in systems where e.g. a char* combines a word
> pointer plus a byte within the word].
Where did you get that idea? A pointer argument is passed as a pointer
of whatever type it happens to be. There is no promotion, conversion,
or change of format.
> If such conversions aren't promotions,
> what are they?
They're promotions; the standard calls them that. It uses the defined
term "integer promotions" for the conversion of narrow integer
arguments. It doesn't explicitly use the term "promotions" for
float-to-double conversion, but it does say that a float argument is
"promoted". But again, there is no promotion for pointers.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | supercat@casperkitty.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 16:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <2482512a-f760-4bff-b88b-5f4ae39dcfdb@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #98317 |
On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:48:25 PM UTC-6, Keith Thompson wrote: > supercat writes: > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:00:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes, > >> parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion. > > > > Values of float are passed as double in the absence of a prototype. > > Correct. This is described in N1570 6.5.2.2p6. > > > Other > > types smaller than "int" are passed as "int". > > Incorrect. Types smaller than int whose range is a subrange > of int are promoted to int. Types smaller than int whose range > includes values exceeding INT_MAX are promoted to unsigned int. > For example, if both unsigned short and short are the same width, > unsigned short arguments are promoted to unsigned int, not to int. The term "smaller" isn't defined by the Standard, but if one applies the common sense meaning, a type whose values aren't all representable as "int" isn't really "smaller". > > Pointers are passed in the > > same format as char* [relevant in systems where e.g. a char* combines a word > > pointer plus a byte within the word]. > > Where did you get that idea? A pointer argument is passed as a pointer > of whatever type it happens to be. There is no promotion, conversion, > or change of format. For the first compilers there was no support for multiple pointer formats, so for those all pointers types were equivalent. I think you're right that the Standard allows compilers to pass pointers to different types in different ways even in the absence of a prototype, but systems which don't use the same format for int* and void* are rare, as is code that uses old- style function definitions, so I've not paid that much attention to those aspects of the Standard. In any case, I was objecting to the notion that it would somehow have been impossible for compilers in 1985 to apply default argument promotions without having the function definitions visible.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 17:04 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lny3zrz0wa.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #98326 |
supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:48:25 PM UTC-6, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> supercat writes:
>> > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 4:00:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> >> There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes,
>> >> parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion.
>> >
>> > Values of float are passed as double in the absence of a prototype.
>>
>> Correct. This is described in N1570 6.5.2.2p6.
>>
>> > Other
>> > types smaller than "int" are passed as "int".
>>
>> Incorrect. Types smaller than int whose range is a subrange
>> of int are promoted to int. Types smaller than int whose range
>> includes values exceeding INT_MAX are promoted to unsigned int.
>> For example, if both unsigned short and short are the same width,
>> unsigned short arguments are promoted to unsigned int, not to int.
>
> The term "smaller" isn't defined by the Standard, but if one applies the
> common sense meaning, a type whose values aren't all representable as "int"
> isn't really "smaller".
So you were using an odd definition of "smaller" that you didn't
describe, and your description was incomplete.
>> > Pointers are passed in the
>> > same format as char* [relevant in systems where e.g. a char* combines a word
>> > pointer plus a byte within the word].
>>
>> Where did you get that idea? A pointer argument is passed as a pointer
>> of whatever type it happens to be. There is no promotion, conversion,
>> or change of format.
>
> For the first compilers there was no support for multiple pointer formats,
> so for those all pointers types were equivalent. I think you're right that
> the Standard allows compilers to pass pointers to different types in
> different ways even in the absence of a prototype, but systems which don't
> use the same format for int* and void* are rare, as is code that uses old-
> style function definitions, so I've not paid that much attention to those
> aspects of the Standard.
In the absence of a prototype (i.e., for C99 or later, in the presence
of a non-prototype function declaration), a pointer of type FOO* is
passed as a pointer of type FOO*. Nothing in the description of
argument passing mentions pointer representations. Your claim about
pointers being passed using a particular representation (that of char*)
is completely unfounded.
> In any case, I was objecting to the notion that it would somehow have
> been impossible for compilers in 1985 to apply default argument promotions
> without having the function definitions visible.
Of course that claim was nonsense.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
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| From | Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-12-10 07:29 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <kfnzik3kdjs.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu> |
| In reply to | #98317 |
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes: > [...] Types smaller than int whose range is a subrange > of int are promoted to int. Types smaller than int whose range > includes values exceeding INT_MAX are promoted to unsigned int. > For example, if both unsigned short and short are the same width, > unsigned short arguments are promoted to unsigned int, not to int. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It is of course possible for unsigned short and short to have the same width, yet have unsigned short promote to int and not to unsigned int.
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
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| Date | 2016-12-10 13:37 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lnmvg3wjmb.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #98698 |
Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> writes:
> Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes:
>> [...] Types smaller than int whose range is a subrange
>> of int are promoted to int. Types smaller than int whose range
>> includes values exceeding INT_MAX are promoted to unsigned int.
>> For example, if both unsigned short and short are the same width,
>> unsigned short arguments are promoted to unsigned int, not to int.
>
> I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It is of
> course possible for unsigned short and short to have the
> same width, yet have unsigned short promote to int and
> not to unsigned int.
I meant to write "if unsigned short and int are the same width".
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| From | me <crisdunbar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-12-07 14:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <216a018d-3a28-4055-be94-e454af4e2c65@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #98304 |
On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-8, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > > There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes, > parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion. Wow. Just ... wow.
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-12-08 02:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87oa0ncgdm.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #98304 |
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: > On 12/7/2016 4:46 PM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 3:25:26 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>> On 12/7/2016 3:30 PM, supercat wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 2:15:19 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>> On 12/7/2016 9:58 AM, supercat wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 8:34:19 AM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>> Just more proof you have no idea. It's impossible for the compiler to >>>>>>> promote or convert parameters if it doesn't know the parameters the >>>>>>> compiler required. That's what you have when the function is defined >>>>>>> after the call. >>>>>> >>>>>> In early C, functions could be passed three kinds of arguments: int, >>>>>> double, and pointer. >>>>> >>>>> We're not talking about C from 1972. I suggest you get with the program. >>>> >>>> Compilers were able to handle argument default argument promotions in 1972. >>>> Adding "long" complicated things a little bit, and made it necessary to >>>> manually coerce "int" values to type "long" when calling functions expecting >>>> the latter type, but conversions of "char" or "short" to "int", or "float" >>>> to "double" can be accomplished today just as well as they could in 1972. >>> >>> Not when the function was defined after the call, they couldn't. And >>> they still can't - which is why we have function declarations >>> (prototypes to you). >> >> Function prototypes make it possible to change what promotions are >> applied automatically, but *default* promotions doesn't require any >> prior declaration. > > There is no such thing as a "default promotion". Without prototypes, > parameters are passed as is. No promotion or conversion. Page 186 of K&R: Any actual arguments of type float are converted to double before the call; any of type char or short are converted to int; and as usual, array names are converted to pointers. No other conversions are performed automatically; in particular, the compiler does not compare the types of actual arguments with those of formal arguments. If conversion is needed, use a cast; Notice how the paragraph explicitly contradicts your main claim? Can you cite any text (even for a specif compiler) that back up the fiction that extra conversions to the types of the formal arguments are performed if a function definition precedes the call? This is basic stuff about K&R C (and it still applies since modern C has not removed the old syntax). -- Ben.
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-12-08 02:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87twafcgx5.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #98261 |
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: > On 12/6/2016 9:48 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: >> >>> On 12/5/2016 5:49 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> On 12/5/2016 10:15 AM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: >>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 6:39:24 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>> C compiler support for function declarations came out about 1985, >>>>>>> IIRC. >>>> >>>> I think you mean function prototypes. C has always had function >>>> declarations. >>> >>> If you call >>> >>> int foo(); >>> >>> with no parameters, etc. a function declaration, then yes. We didn't >>> back then. >> >> Well it's a declaration (check the syntax if you doubt this) and what it >> declares is a function, so it's a good term to use. It was a good >> enough term for Denis Ritchie, too. What did you and your friends call >> it? > > Learn to read. I've already answered that question. You need to understand how Usenet works. I've now seen a post where you don't name them (how could you -- there's one only reasonable name and you need to deny they were ever called that) but you do describe them as something that indicates the return type. I take it that's the closest you'll admit to ever having named them? >> <snip> >>>> You don't need (and have never needed) the function definition to >>>> precede it's use. In old C, a function declaration does just as well >> <snip> >>> In pre-K&R, it was the ONLY WAY to specify the parameter list. >> >> And in K&R C too. >> >>> If you >>> wanted the compiler to validate the parameters being past and convert if >>> necessary, you had to do it that way. >> >> No compiler that I used at the time did this. Not DMR's original PDP-11 >> compiler, not the BSD compiler from the original Sun workstations, not >> the Wicat compiler (anyone remember them?), and not the C compiler >> whose implementation team I was a (small) part of at the time. > > And you're an expert on every compiler, huh? ROFLMAO! Of course not. I only need to know what one did since you said "they all do". I gave you three I happen to know about. Given that you now need me to know about all compilers, can I take it that you've retracted the silly claim that they all did these extra argument conversions? > But then you > didn't use any compilers at the time. You weren't even programming. You could post a link to a compiler manual that backs up your claim. That way you would not have to make so many irrelevant personal remarks. >> None of them did anything more that what are now called the default >> argument promotions, and they would do that with or without a preceding >> definition and with or without a declaration in scope. >> > > Just more proof you have no idea. It's impossible for the compiler to > promote or convert parameters if it doesn't know the parameters the > compiler required. That's what you have when the function is defined > after the call. > >> What compiler did further argument conversions when a call was preceded >> by a function definition? >> >> <snip> > > Another question I already answered. Your reading comprehension is no > better than your programming capability. Where? (If giving a message ID is troublesome, you could just type the name again. Prediction: you will do neither.) -- Ben.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-08 09:36 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o2br39$8dk$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #98332 |
On 12/7/2016 9:07 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: > >> On 12/6/2016 9:48 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: >>> >>>> On 12/5/2016 5:49 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/5/2016 10:15 AM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: >>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 6:39:24 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >>>>>>>> C compiler support for function declarations came out about 1985, >>>>>>>> IIRC. >>>>> >>>>> I think you mean function prototypes. C has always had function >>>>> declarations. >>>> >>>> If you call >>>> >>>> int foo(); >>>> >>>> with no parameters, etc. a function declaration, then yes. We didn't >>>> back then. >>> >>> Well it's a declaration (check the syntax if you doubt this) and what it >>> declares is a function, so it's a good term to use. It was a good >>> enough term for Denis Ritchie, too. What did you and your friends call >>> it? >> >> Learn to read. I've already answered that question. > > You need to understand how Usenet works. I've now seen a post where you > don't name them (how could you -- there's one only reasonable name and > you need to deny they were ever called that) but you do describe them as > something that indicates the return type. I take it that's the closest > you'll admit to ever having named them? > I do understand how Usenet works. But I don't bother to repeat myself when an idiot can't learn to read. >>> <snip> >>>>> You don't need (and have never needed) the function definition to >>>>> precede it's use. In old C, a function declaration does just as well >>> <snip> >>>> In pre-K&R, it was the ONLY WAY to specify the parameter list. >>> >>> And in K&R C too. >>> >>>> If you >>>> wanted the compiler to validate the parameters being past and convert if >>>> necessary, you had to do it that way. >>> >>> No compiler that I used at the time did this. Not DMR's original PDP-11 >>> compiler, not the BSD compiler from the original Sun workstations, not >>> the Wicat compiler (anyone remember them?), and not the C compiler >>> whose implementation team I was a (small) part of at the time. >> >> And you're an expert on every compiler, huh? ROFLMAO! > > Of course not. I only need to know what one did since you said "they > all do". I gave you three I happen to know about. Given that you now > need me to know about all compilers, can I take it that you've retracted > the silly claim that they all did these extra argument conversions? > Nope. I never said they all did. But once again you can't read - and try to put words in my mouth to support your fallacious argument. >> But then you >> didn't use any compilers at the time. You weren't even programming. > > You could post a link to a compiler manual that backs up your claim. > That way you would not have to make so many irrelevant personal remarks. > Gee, how many compiler manuals were even available in soft copy in 1985? How about ZERO? But I guess you'll now state that since none of them were available in soft copy, I'm wrong. >>> None of them did anything more that what are now called the default >>> argument promotions, and they would do that with or without a preceding >>> definition and with or without a declaration in scope. >>> >> >> Just more proof you have no idea. It's impossible for the compiler to >> promote or convert parameters if it doesn't know the parameters the >> compiler required. That's what you have when the function is defined >> after the call. >> >>> What compiler did further argument conversions when a call was preceded >>> by a function definition? >>> >>> <snip> >> >> Another question I already answered. Your reading comprehension is no >> better than your programming capability. > > Where? (If giving a message ID is troublesome, you could just type the > name again. Prediction: you will do neither.) > Nope, I'm not going to bother repeating myself just because you can't read. So you're right. I won't teach the pig to sing. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
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| Date | 2016-12-08 16:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o2btpr$hjp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #98362 |
On 08/12/16 15:36, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 12/7/2016 9:07 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: <snip> >> You could post a link to a compiler manual that backs up your claim. >> That way you would not have to make so many irrelevant personal remarks. >> > > Gee, how many compiler manuals were even available in soft copy in 1985? > How about ZERO? But I guess you'll now state that since none of them > were available in soft copy, I'm wrong. > Soft-copy manuals were not unheard-of from that time, usually as plain text files. I don't have any myself from that era - I did not start professional C programming until about 1994 or 1995. It is also not difficult to find old manuals that have been scanned or otherwise copied to digital format, available on the net, such as here: <http://aztecmuseum.ca/docs/index.htm> <http://www.tim-mann.org/misosys.html> I haven't looked at the details here, but I am sure that someone willing to document their claims about old compilers could have a look at these or other sites and come up with something relevant.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-08 10:52 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o2bvgp$ndl$1@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #98369 |
On 12/8/2016 10:22 AM, David Brown wrote: > On 08/12/16 15:36, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> On 12/7/2016 9:07 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > <snip> >>> You could post a link to a compiler manual that backs up your claim. >>> That way you would not have to make so many irrelevant personal remarks. >>> >> >> Gee, how many compiler manuals were even available in soft copy in 1985? >> How about ZERO? But I guess you'll now state that since none of them >> were available in soft copy, I'm wrong. >> > > Soft-copy manuals were not unheard-of from that time, usually as plain > text files. I don't have any myself from that era - I did not start > professional C programming until about 1994 or 1995. > Exactly which compilers had soft copies? They didn't - because on a PC, the only OS available was DOS, and you could only do one thing at a time on it. Plus, printers at the time were slow dot matrix on continuous-feed paper and would take several minutes to print just one page. Printing a manual would take days. Mainframes could have printed the manuals - but the compilers again came with printed manuals. Programmers had entire rooms filled with three ring binders of manuals. > It is also not difficult to find old manuals that have been scanned or > otherwise copied to digital format, available on the net, such as here: > Scanners were very expensive at the time, and pretty much limited to mainframe systems. Additionally, .pdf and similar formats had not bee invented, or if they were, were not commonly used. But the time scanners became readily available, no one was real interested in scanning hundreds of pages of out-of-date docs. > <http://aztecmuseum.ca/docs/index.htm> > <http://www.tim-mann.org/misosys.html> > > I haven't looked at the details here, but I am sure that someone willing > to document their claims about old compilers could have a look at these > or other sites and come up with something relevant. > Please feel free to do so. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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| From | supercat@casperkitty.com |
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| Date | 2016-12-08 08:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <af103d34-57c5-4ba1-af57-d9e171aa030a@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #98375 |
On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:52:17 AM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: > They didn't - because on a PC, the only OS available was DOS, and you > could only do one thing at a time on it. Plus, printers at the time > were slow dot matrix on continuous-feed paper and would take several > minutes to print just one page. Printing a manual would take days. A number of shareware programs of that era included manuals on disk with the software. I don't remember exactly how long my printer chugged away at some of the manuals I printed out, but it was fairly typical and would take about a minute for a dense page of single-spaced text; many manuals were double-spaced and included margins, so they'd print at about two pages/minute. Further, as has been noted, a lot of notable compilers have since had their manuals scanned over the years. Borland has made their Turbo C 2.11 freely available for download (I don't know if it still is) along with a PDF of the manual. I don't doubt that many compilers from back then are now lost to the ages, but many are available.
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| From | Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2016-12-08 22:08 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <o2d74s$kp6$2@jstuckle.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #98382 |
On 12/8/2016 11:11 AM, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: > On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:52:17 AM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: >> They didn't - because on a PC, the only OS available was DOS, and you >> could only do one thing at a time on it. Plus, printers at the time >> were slow dot matrix on continuous-feed paper and would take several >> minutes to print just one page. Printing a manual would take days. > > A number of shareware programs of that era included manuals on disk with > the software. I don't remember exactly how long my printer chugged away > at some of the manuals I printed out, but it was fairly typical and would > take about a minute for a dense page of single-spaced text; many manuals > were double-spaced and included margins, so they'd print at about two > pages/minute. > I'm not talking about shareware programs. I'm talking about compilers. > Further, as has been noted, a lot of notable compilers have since had > their manuals scanned over the years. Borland has made their Turbo C 2.11 > freely available for download (I don't know if it still is) along with a > PDF of the manual. I don't doubt that many compilers from back then are > now lost to the ages, but many are available. > Turbo C 2.11 didn't come out until 1989 or so, not 1985. And even then it wasn't considered a very good compiler - too many bugs (that they would never admit to, but were magically fixed in the next version - which had no upgrade price). -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle jstucklex@attglobal.net ==================
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