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  Offtopic: asking for advice Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 15:34 +0300
    Re: Offtopic: asking for advice bert <bert.hutchings@btinternet.com> - 2017-06-04 06:06 -0700
      Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 16:13 +0300
        Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-06-04 14:51 +0100
          Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 19:18 +0300
    Re: Offtopic: asking for advice GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 15:06 +0200
    Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-06-04 11:32 -0700
    Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Leon Taylor <leontaylor476@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 16:20 -0700
      Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 09:18 +0300
        Re: Offtopic: asking for advice GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 08:22 +0200
    Re: Offtopic: asking for advice luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 16:24 -0700
    Re: Offtopic: asking for advice John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 12:37 -0700
      Re: Offtopic: asking for advice GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 00:24 +0200
        Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 18:18 -0700
          Re: Offtopic: asking for advice GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 08:13 +0200
      Re: Offtopic: asking for advice Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 09:09 +0300

#111460 — Offtopic: asking for advice

Hello!

I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only 
because I trust your opinion very much.
I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in 
general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the 
ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a 
newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even 
basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from 
Calculus.
I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good 
are they in terms of getting adequate help?

Thank you very much!
-- 
Respectfully,
Alla

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#111462

On Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:32:43 UTC+1, Alla  wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only 
> because I trust your opinion very much.
> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in 
> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the 
> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a 
> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even 
> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from 
> Calculus.
> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good 
> are they in terms of getting adequate help?

Unfortunately, sci.math has - since about a year ago - contained 
almost nothing either scientific or mathematical, but a blizzard 
of nonsense from John Gabriel, Archimedes Plutonium, Pentcho Valev, 
and a few others who have deluded themselves into the belief that 
they are new experts.  I wish you better luck in the .algebra group.
-- 

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#111464

On 6/4/17 16:06, bert wrote:
> On Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:32:43 UTC+1, Alla  wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only
>> because I trust your opinion very much.
>> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in
>> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the
>> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a
>> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even
>> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from
>> Calculus.
>> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good
>> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
> 
> Unfortunately, sci.math has - since about a year ago - contained
> almost nothing either scientific or mathematical, but a blizzard
> of nonsense from John Gabriel, Archimedes Plutonium, Pentcho Valev,
> and a few others who have deluded themselves into the belief that
> they are new experts.  I wish you better luck in the .algebra group.
> 

I see. Thank you!

-- 
Respectfully,
Alla

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#111465

Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> writes:

> On 6/4/17 16:06, bert wrote:
>> On Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:32:43 UTC+1, Alla  wrote:
<snip>
>>> ... Could you, please, advice me on a
>>> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even
>>> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from
>>> Calculus.
>>> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good
>>> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
>>
>> Unfortunately, sci.math has - since about a year ago - contained
>> almost nothing either scientific or mathematical, but a blizzard
>> of nonsense from John Gabriel, Archimedes Plutonium, Pentcho Valev,
>> and a few others who have deluded themselves into the belief that
>> they are new experts.
>
> I see. Thank you!

But I think sci.math would be worth a try.  When people do post on
topic, good answers are often forthcoming, and you'd be helping to
improve the group with op-topic questions.  The trouble is that you
might need a newsreader with good filtering to be able to read the group
easily.  When I visit sci.math I see an almost empty group because
almost all the crank posters are being filtered.  You might be OK if you
use Google Groups just to watch your own thread though.  Look out in
particular for a poster called quasi -- he or she is always on topic and
posts good excellent replies at all levels, from simple algebra to
advanced topics.

-- 
Ben.

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#111477

On 6/4/17 16:51, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> On 6/4/17 16:06, bert wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 4 June 2017 13:32:43 UTC+1, Alla  wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> ... Could you, please, advice me on a
>>>> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even
>>>> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from
>>>> Calculus.
>>>> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good
>>>> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, sci.math has - since about a year ago - contained
>>> almost nothing either scientific or mathematical, but a blizzard
>>> of nonsense from John Gabriel, Archimedes Plutonium, Pentcho Valev,
>>> and a few others who have deluded themselves into the belief that
>>> they are new experts.
>>
>> I see. Thank you!
> 
> But I think sci.math would be worth a try.  When people do post on
> topic, good answers are often forthcoming, and you'd be helping to
> improve the group with op-topic questions.  The trouble is that you
> might need a newsreader with good filtering to be able to read the group
> easily.  When I visit sci.math I see an almost empty group because
> almost all the crank posters are being filtered.  You might be OK if you
> use Google Groups just to watch your own thread though.  Look out in
> particular for a poster called quasi -- he or she is always on topic and
> posts good excellent replies at all levels, from simple algebra to
> advanced topics.
> 

Ben, thank you very much! I will follow your advice.
As to the newsreader, I use Thunderbird for a while already, which 
offers a good filtering if one knows whom to filter out.

-- 
Respectfully,
Alla

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#111463

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 15:34:23 +0300
Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only 
> because I trust your opinion very much.
> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in 
> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the 
> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a 
> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even 
> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from 
> Calculus.
> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good 
> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
> 
> Thank you very much!

Hello!

Lesson #1: in science the best proof is the experience not the advice.

;-)

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#111483

On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 15:34:23 +0300, Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hello!
>
>I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only 
>because I trust your opinion very much.
>I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in 
>general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the 
>ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a 
>newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even 
>basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from 
>Calculus.
>I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good 
>are they in terms of getting adequate help?
>
>Thank you very much!

In addition to those two, other group titles suggest they might be
useful but they do not seem to be very active:
   alt.math
   alt.math.recreational
   alt.math.undergrad

It's not a newsgroup but Wolfram's web site
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/
has a decent search feature which may provide suitable data for
whatever issue you are dealing with.

And don't forget google.  A lot of education centers have placed
tutorial and reference material online to help with exactly what you
describe.

-- 
Remove del for email

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#111499

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 10:32:43 PM UTC+10, Alla wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only 
> because I trust your opinion very much.
> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in 
> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the 
> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a 
> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even 
> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from 
> Calculus.
> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good 
> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
> 
> Thank you very much!
> -- 
> Respectfully,
> Alla

Are you learning programming for a career or just for recreation? If you are learning programming just for recreation, you probably wont need to learn the maths side of programming. I am terrible at maths, but I hardly ever use maths in programming. I am still in school, and I don't want to do programming as a career. I also think it depends on what type of programming you want to do.

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#111681

On 6/5/17 02:20, Leon Taylor wrote:
> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 10:32:43 PM UTC+10, Alla wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only
>> because I trust your opinion very much.
>> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in
>> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the
>> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a
>> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even
>> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from
>> Calculus.
>> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good
>> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>> -- 
>> Respectfully,
>> Alla
> 
> Are you learning programming for a career or just for recreation? If you are learning programming just for recreation, you probably wont need to learn the maths side of programming. I am terrible at maths, but I hardly ever use maths in programming. I am still in school, and I don't want to do programming as a career. I also think it depends on what type of programming you want to do.
> 

You say you are still in school, so I assume you are in your twenties, 
or younger. Honestly, I would truly recommend you to get to grips with 
math:
- it is essential in many different aspects, and will be a great skill 
to fall back on in many different situations in your life and career, 
whichever you choose; it's like knowing how to read and write;
- it is fun (!), and makes you so much smarter, faster, much more 
intelligent, etc. - girls love such features. :-)

You will say huge thanks to yourself in the future if you learn math 
now. Really.

-- 
Respectfully,
Alla

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#111683

On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:18:59 +0300
Alla <vitale.alla@gmail.com> wrote:

> - it is fun (!), and makes you so much smarter, faster, much more 
> intelligent, etc. - girls love such features. :-)

I'm afraid that most woman takes the measure your intelligence only by the size
of your wallet. Being rich makes you beautiful even if you think you're fat and
ugly. :o)

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#111500

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-5, Alla wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only 
> because I trust your opinion very much.
> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in 
> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the 
> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a 
> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even 
> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from 
> Calculus.
> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good 
> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
> 
> Thank you very much!
> -- 
> Respectfully,
> Alla

https://math.stackexchange.com is very friendly and helpful if you have a 
clear question. You can also ask just for a hint.

(They're ruthless about baloney questions and spam. So spell correctly and 
explain yourself clearly.)

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#111573

On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-5, Alla wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only 
> because I trust your opinion very much.
> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in 
> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the 
> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a 
> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even 
> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from 
> Calculus.
> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good 
> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
> 
> Thank you very much!
> -- 
> Respectfully,
> Alla

There aren't that many fields that require much in the way of applied math
skills; most day-to-way coding work is about shoving data around, not
complex analysis.  I can think of two situations in the last 30 years where
I needed to know something more advanced than basic algebra to complete
a coding task.  

Granted, the fields that require advanced math knowledge also tend to be
the most interesting, and some of them pay *very* well.  It would help us
to know which field(s) you were looking at in order to give you better
advice.  

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#111591

On Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:37:00 -0700 (PDT)
John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> wrote:

> Granted, the fields that require advanced math knowledge also tend to be
> the most interesting, and some of them pay *very* well.  It would help us
> to know which field(s) you were looking at in order to give you better
> advice.  

It would inspire many to know what are trying to do... since most programmer
are busy with boring|bad code. :-)

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#111668

I know two semi famous computer programmers here in the San Francisco Bay Area that totally suck at math.

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#111680

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 18:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know two semi famous computer programmers here in the San Francisco Bay Area
> that totally suck at math.

I'm pretty sure the social media gurus too. :o)

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#111679

On 6/5/17 22:37, John Bode wrote:
> On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 7:32:43 AM UTC-5, Alla wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I do apologize for coming here with an offtopic, but I do so only
>> because I trust your opinion very much.
>> I have some issues with continuing learning C, and thus programming in
>> general, because I do lack necessary math skills - I try to recover the
>> ones I once knew, and gain new ones. Could you, please, advice me on a
>> newsgroup, if you know, where I can ask and get help on sometimes even
>> basic math questions, such as the ones from Precalculus, and later from
>> Calculus.
>> I have seen a group named sci.math, and also alt.algebra.help. How good
>> are they in terms of getting adequate help?
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>> -- 
>> Respectfully,
>> Alla
> 
> There aren't that many fields that require much in the way of applied math
> skills; most day-to-way coding work is about shoving data around, not
> complex analysis.  I can think of two situations in the last 30 years where
> I needed to know something more advanced than basic algebra to complete
> a coding task.
> 
> Granted, the fields that require advanced math knowledge also tend to be
> the most interesting, and some of them pay *very* well.  It would help us
> to know which field(s) you were looking at in order to give you better
> advice.
> 

Thank you very much for answering. I am not questioning the fact of 
learning the math - programming or not, it's essential; and, 
fortunately, I have my list of things I need, and want, to recover, 
and/or learn.

One of the books on my list of "necessities" on programming (after K&R, 
which is still waiting for me - getting back to it on one of these days 
hopefully), is the MIT's on algorithms.

So, I was merely looking for a good place to consult and ask for help 
when I stumble upon matters I can't understand. I joined groups already 
discussed in other answers.

-- 
Respectfully,
Alla

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