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More useful memory functions

Started byjacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr>
First post2015-06-21 16:20 +0200
Last post2015-06-22 03:25 -0500
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  More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-21 16:20 +0200
    Re: More useful memory functions Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2015-06-21 22:31 +0800
      Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-21 16:35 +0200
        Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 13:20 -0700
          Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-21 22:52 +0200
            Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 14:43 -0700
              Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-21 17:50 -0400
                Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 00:21 +0200
                  Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-21 18:39 -0400
                    Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 00:44 +0200
                      Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-21 16:00 -0700
                      Re: More useful memory functions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-22 21:03 +0000
                        Re: More useful memory functions Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-22 18:47 -0500
                          Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 00:50 -0700
                            Re: More useful memory functions Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 20:19 +1200
                              Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 01:46 -0700
                                Re: More useful memory functions Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 21:07 +1200
                                  Re: More useful memory functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 10:22 +0100
                                    Re: More useful memory functions Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 21:27 +1200
                                    Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-23 08:30 -0700
                                      Re: More useful memory functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 16:43 +0100
                                  Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 02:36 -0700
                                    Re: More useful memory functions Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 21:54 +1200
                                      Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 05:38 -0700
                                        Re: More useful memory functions Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-24 09:03 +1200
                                          Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 17:20 -0700
                                            Re: More useful memory functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-24 01:36 +0100
                        Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 00:34 -0700
                      Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 09:55 +0200
                        Re: More useful memory functions glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-23 08:35 +0000
                          Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 11:32 +0200
                          Re: More useful memory functions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-24 09:51 +0000
                  Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 17:03 -0700
                  Re: More useful memory functions gordonb.muhly@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2015-06-22 05:17 -0500
                    Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-22 09:08 -0400
                      Re: Snipping attribution lines Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-06-23 22:20 +0200
                Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 16:57 -0700
                  Re: More useful memory functions glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-22 00:54 +0000
                    Re: More useful memory functions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-22 12:35 +0000
                  Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-21 21:10 -0400
                    Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 19:21 -0700
                      Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-21 22:55 -0400
                        Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-22 13:41 -0500
                    Re: More useful memory functions glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-06-22 05:01 +0000
                      Re: More useful memory functions Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-22 01:48 -0500
                    Re: More useful memory functions Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@antispam.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-06-23 00:06 +0000
                      Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-22 23:42 -0500
                        Re: More useful memory functions Waldek Hebisch <hebisch@antispam.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-06-23 23:04 +0000
                          Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 22:28 -0500
                Re: More useful memory functions Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-06-23 13:23 +0000
                  Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-23 09:53 -0400
              Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-22 08:34 +0200
                Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 10:38 +0200
                  Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-22 11:09 +0200
                    Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-22 07:47 -0700
                      Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 16:49 +0200
                        Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-22 17:43 +0200
                          Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 17:47 +0200
                            Re: More useful memory functions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-22 20:42 +0000
                              Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-22 18:10 -0500
                            Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 10:52 +0200
                          Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-22 09:16 -0700
                            Re: More useful memory functions Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 09:38 +1200
                  Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-22 10:53 +0100
                    Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-22 11:56 -0500
                Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-22 09:21 -0400
                Re: More useful memory functions Nathan Wagner <nw@hydaspes.if.org> - 2015-06-23 13:32 +0000
                  Re: More useful memory functions Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-23 22:37 -0500
              Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 11:07 +0100
                Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 13:40 +0200
                Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 13:56 +0100
                  Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 16:20 +0200
                    Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 15:44 +0100
                      Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 15:50 +0100
                      Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 16:57 +0200
                        Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 17:38 -0500
                  Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 07:49 -0700
                  Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-23 17:17 +0200
                    Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 18:34 +0100
                      Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-23 20:08 +0200
                        Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-23 20:42 +0100
    More useful memory functions asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2015-06-21 07:43 -0700
    Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-21 17:25 +0200
      Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-21 10:06 -0700
        Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-21 21:46 +0200
          Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-21 14:26 -0700
        Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 13:17 -0700
          Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-21 22:55 +0200
            Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 14:45 -0700
            Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-21 15:14 -0700
            Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-22 09:44 -0500
      Re: More useful memory functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-21 19:18 +0100
        Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-21 23:42 +0200
        Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 00:33 +0200
          Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-22 08:42 +0200
            Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-22 08:23 -0500
      Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-21 21:45 +0200
      Re: More useful memory functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 10:56 -0700
    Re: More useful memory functions Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-06-21 18:35 +0200
      Re: More useful memory functions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-21 21:39 +0100
      Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 00:39 +0200
        Re: More useful memory functions James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-06-21 18:41 -0400
          Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-22 00:47 +0200
        Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 17:08 -0700
          Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-21 17:12 -0700
            Re: More useful memory functions gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-06-22 00:58 +0000
      Re: More useful memory functions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-06-22 21:02 +0000
        Re: More useful memory functions Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-06-23 20:56 +0200
          Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-23 21:17 +0200
            Re: More useful memory functions Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-06-23 21:58 +0200
              Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-23 22:06 +0200
                Re: More useful memory functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-23 21:21 +0100
                  Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-23 22:48 +0200
                Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-23 23:17 +0200
                  Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-23 23:25 +0200
                    Re: More useful memory functions Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-06-24 00:35 +0200
                    Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 00:39 +0200
                  Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-23 15:37 -0700
                Re: Microsoft C run-time Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-06-23 23:22 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft C run-time jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-23 23:27 +0200
              Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-23 13:42 -0700
                Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 19:00 -0500
              Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-24 01:52 +0100
                Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-23 22:25 -0500
                  Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-24 09:53 +0100
                    Re: More useful memory functions gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 01:59 -0700
                    Re: More useful memory functions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-24 11:05 +0100
                      Re: More useful memory functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-24 11:23 +0100
                        Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-24 07:55 -0500
                          Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-24 07:48 -0700
                            Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-24 10:47 -0500
                        Re: More useful memory functions raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-07-03 17:34 +0000
                          Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-05 05:27 -0700
                      Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-24 11:28 +0100
                        Re: More useful memory functions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-24 11:50 +0100
                          Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-24 12:58 +0100
                            Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 14:20 +0200
                              Re: More useful memory functions jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-06-24 14:27 +0200
                                Re: More useful memory functions Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-06-24 13:38 +0100
                                  Re: More useful memory functions gwowen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-06-24 08:16 -0700
                                Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 16:57 +0200
                              Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-24 13:47 +0100
                                Re: More useful memory functions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-24 14:48 +0100
                                  Re: More useful memory functions Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-24 18:45 +0100
                                    Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-24 14:12 -0500
                                Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 17:12 +0200
                              Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-24 10:27 -0500
                            Re: More useful memory functions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-24 14:41 +0100
                          Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-24 07:53 -0700
                            Re: More useful memory functions Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-24 16:17 +0100
                            Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-24 08:34 -0700
                              Re: More useful memory functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-10 18:48 -0700
                                Re: More useful memory functions Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-07-10 18:56 -0700
                                Re: More useful memory functions Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-07-10 20:53 -0700
                                  Re: More useful memory functions Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-07-11 13:52 -0700
                            Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-24 10:31 -0500
                    Re: More useful memory functions David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-24 14:15 +0200
                    Re: gcc FUD Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-06-25 09:57 +0200
                      Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 11:34 +0100
                        Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 13:11 +0200
                          Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 12:38 +0100
                            Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-25 16:13 +0200
                              Re: gcc FUD Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-25 09:49 -0700
                        Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-25 11:32 -0500
                          Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 18:37 +0100
                            Re: gcc FUD Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-25 19:56 +0100
                              Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 20:33 +0100
                                Re: gcc FUD Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-25 12:46 -0700
                                Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-26 13:08 +0200
                                  Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-26 13:22 +0100
                            Re: gcc FUD Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-25 11:57 -0700
                              Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-25 16:32 -0500
                                Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-25 23:11 +0100
                                  Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-25 20:09 -0500
                                    Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 10:15 +0200
                                      Re: gcc FUD Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-26 01:54 -0700
                                        Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 11:17 +0200
                                        Re: gcc FUD Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-26 13:36 +0100
                                          Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 17:45 +0200
                                      Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-26 09:28 -0500
                                        Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 17:48 +0200
                                          Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-26 11:30 -0500
                                            Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-27 09:00 +0200
                                              Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-27 11:08 -0500
                                            Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-28 18:07 +0100
                                              Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-28 22:26 -0500
                                              Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-29 09:49 +0200
                                                Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-29 09:05 -0500
                                                  Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-29 16:54 +0200
                                                    Re: gcc FUD BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-29 12:39 -0500
                                Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-26 14:05 +0200
                                  Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-27 11:40 +0100
                                    Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-27 16:33 +0100
                                    Re: gcc FUD Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-06-27 12:24 -0700
                                    Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-27 22:37 +0200
                                      Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-27 22:31 +0100
                                        Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-28 00:47 +0200
                                          Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-28 11:28 +0100
                                            Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-28 14:00 +0200
                                              Re: gcc FUD Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-28 05:44 -0700
                                            Re: gcc FUD Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-28 13:47 +0100
                                              Re: gcc FUD Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-06-28 05:55 -0700
                                                Re: gcc FUD Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-06-28 18:42 +0100
                                          Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 07:27 +0200
                                            Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-29 10:17 +0200
                                              Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 11:05 +0200
                                                Re: gcc FUD David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-06-29 11:34 +0200
                                      Re: gcc FUD Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-06-28 02:14 -0500
                                    Re: gcc FUD Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-28 08:57 +1200
                              Re: gcc FUD Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-26 10:18 +0100
                                Re: gcc FUD "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-06-26 11:26 +0200
                                Re: gcc FUD Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2015-06-26 08:05 -0400
    Re: More useful memory functions BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-06-21 11:56 -0500
    Re: More useful memory functions Gordon Burditt <gordon@hammy.burditt.org> - 2015-06-22 03:25 -0500

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#63986

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>
Date2015-06-23 13:42 -0700
Message-ID<21421139-cb31-4197-9f63-507c7003be8e@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#63979
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:58:32 PM UTC+1, Noob wrote:
>
> Obviously, I don't see how a single person could outwork several
> dozens full-time paid devs plus several hundreds casual devs.
> 
That's to misunderstand software.
Most programs have a "core" which is an algorithm. Whilst it's not
trivial, it's essentially simple once you understand the principle 
on which it works.
The core is then surrounded by a large amount of "scaffolding" 
which is designed to let the user feed data to the core, see
the results, reformat them, and so on. The "scaffolding" is a lot
of work, it's hard to get right because binary bit patterns are
too hard for the user to enter.

If you've got a better "core" than the competition, and reasonable
"scaffolding" that does the job, you can easily compete with only
one developer. So any experienced programmer can knock up a
windowing system that writes to a memory-mapped screen buffer,
provides graphics facilities, and doesn't let the graphics routines
write outside of the window. It takes a couple of months, if that.
But you can't provide the millions of lines of code that comprise MS
Windows. However if your user's priority is to get windows up on
screen, and he's not interested in legacy support for 256 colour 
VGA, left-handed mice, small pixel-size Unicode fonts, and all the 
rest of the apparatus, your system may well be better.


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#64010

FromBGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Date2015-06-23 19:00 -0500
Message-ID<mmcs6c$p58$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#63986
On 6/23/2015 3:42 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 8:58:32 PM UTC+1, Noob wrote:
>>
>> Obviously, I don't see how a single person could outwork several
>> dozens full-time paid devs plus several hundreds casual devs.
>>
> That's to misunderstand software.
> Most programs have a "core" which is an algorithm. Whilst it's not
> trivial, it's essentially simple once you understand the principle
> on which it works.
> The core is then surrounded by a large amount of "scaffolding"
> which is designed to let the user feed data to the core, see
> the results, reformat them, and so on. The "scaffolding" is a lot
> of work, it's hard to get right because binary bit patterns are
> too hard for the user to enter.
>
> If you've got a better "core" than the competition, and reasonable
> "scaffolding" that does the job, you can easily compete with only
> one developer. So any experienced programmer can knock up a
> windowing system that writes to a memory-mapped screen buffer,
> provides graphics facilities, and doesn't let the graphics routines
> write outside of the window. It takes a couple of months, if that.
> But you can't provide the millions of lines of code that comprise MS
> Windows. However if your user's priority is to get windows up on
> screen, and he's not interested in legacy support for 256 colour
> VGA, left-handed mice, small pixel-size Unicode fonts, and all the
> rest of the apparatus, your system may well be better.
>

yeah.

like with a specialized compiler and VM:
only a few targets and a fairly limited range of use-cases is needed.

it is effort, but far from impossible, for someone to throw together 
something which does what they need to be done.

will every possible piece of code work flawlessly, with good 
performance, and on every target?... probably not.


doesn't mean it isn't worthwhile, as things aren't all or nothing.


also, not everyone likes GPL. some of us are more fans of MIT or 
3-clause BSD or similar...

one may also prefer LGPL over GPL though.

although arguably not good for code, have considered releasing some 
things as CC BY-NC-ND (basically, the code is available, but intended 
for personal use only, in a way sort of the reverse of binary-only 
software). though, this is a special case. it depends a lot on the code 
(likewise for whether or not code is released at all).

like, sometimes, someone may want people to be able to run freely with 
it, other things may want to be kept under control, and some things may 
not be ready to be seen by the world (mostly for very specialized or 
experimental stuff).

or such...

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#64016

FromBartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2015-06-24 01:52 +0100
Message-ID<mmcuu3$22l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#63979
On 23/06/2015 20:58, Noob wrote:
> On 23/06/2015 21:17, jacobnavia wrote:

>> Gcc *is* a good compiler (much better than mine of course).
>
> Obviously, I don't see how a single person could outwork several
> dozens full-time paid devs plus several hundreds casual devs.

gcc is a monster that keeps getting bigger - and slower. I'm not 
surprised that hundreds of people are needed to keep feeding it.

I prefer to use my own tiny compiler that, as far as I'm concerned, does 
the same job, and does it very quickly with a lot less fuss.

-- 
Bartc

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#64017

FromBGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Date2015-06-23 22:25 -0500
Message-ID<mmd865$n1d$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#64016
On 6/23/2015 7:52 PM, Bartc wrote:
> On 23/06/2015 20:58, Noob wrote:
>> On 23/06/2015 21:17, jacobnavia wrote:
>
>>> Gcc *is* a good compiler (much better than mine of course).
>>
>> Obviously, I don't see how a single person could outwork several
>> dozens full-time paid devs plus several hundreds casual devs.
>
> gcc is a monster that keeps getting bigger - and slower. I'm not
> surprised that hundreds of people are needed to keep feeding it.
>
> I prefer to use my own tiny compiler that, as far as I'm concerned, does
> the same job, and does it very quickly with a lot less fuss.
>

yeah.

I am left to question sometimes if we really need "one compiler to rule 
them all".


assuming the interface was fairly consistent (or not, for those of us 
who already use different compilers on different targets), I am not 
really sure it would be really all that much different if different 
targets were using different compilers (more so when things like 
cross-compiling get involved).

smaller and more specialized compilers could also be useful in cases 
where one needs non-standard code generation, say, because they are 
making different operating assumptions for a target vs what the original 
compiler-writer assumed.

say, they are using an otherwise generic ARM processor, but with a funky 
ABI being used because they need to use a faster-switching cooperative 
scheduler rather than a slower-switching preemptive scheduler (say, for 
example, they need to be able to swap threads on a 1MHz clock vs a few 
kHz or so), meaning the code may need to periodically generate calls to 
hand control off to the scheduler (to give it a chance to swap threads).

customizing GCC is likely a big pain, whereas a smaller compiler could 
likely be tweaked a little easier.

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#64026

FromBartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2015-06-24 09:53 +0100
Message-ID<mmdr3s$b6i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64017
On 24/06/2015 04:25, BGB wrote:
> On 6/23/2015 7:52 PM, Bartc wrote:

>> gcc is a monster that keeps getting bigger - and slower. I'm not
>> surprised that hundreds of people are needed to keep feeding it.

> customizing GCC is likely a big pain, whereas a smaller compiler could
> likely be tweaked a little easier.

I think that's where compilers such as lccwin come in.

I wouldn't know where to start with gcc. Forget customising, how do you 
even build it to work normally when it's outside its comfort zone (ie. 
Linux)?

There are a few reasons why people use gcc:

* It produces quite good code (at least for x86; apparently it's not so 
hot on ARM)

* It exists for practically every processor imaginable

* It has a few attractive extensions, such as label addresses. 
(Apparently, CPython makes use of label pointers within gcc, which it 
uses for Linux. On Windows, it compiles with MSVC without label 
pointers, hence CPython runs somewhat slower on Windows than under Linux 
on exactly the same machine.)

* If code is developed on Linux, and most open source code seems to be, 
then it seems to be a rule that it has to use gcc. Makefiles will make 
certain of that anyway!

* Because it is ubiquitous, if you are distributing code, it makes sense 
to make sure it compiles with gcc.

So it's big, slow and complex, but it's difficult to get away from it! 
You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being 
able to build on anything that has gcc installed.

-- 
Bartc

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#64028

Fromgwowen <gwowen@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-24 01:59 -0700
Message-ID<e1747521-558e-4fd6-9b2e-cf562951db8d@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#64026
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 9:53:44 AM UTC+1, Bart wrote:

> You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being 
> able to build on anything that has gcc installed.

On this score, gcc is the worst compiler in the world, except for all the others.

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#64034

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2015-06-24 11:05 +0100
Message-ID<87ioadifp4.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#64026
Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
<snip>
> You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being
> able to build on anything that has gcc installed.

I don't know what you mean by that.  Are you complaining about the
default compiler options?  If not, I can't see what's so detrimental to
portability about gcc.

-- 
Ben.

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#64036

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-06-24 11:23 +0100
Message-ID<mme0bs$s2d$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64034
On 24/06/15 11:05, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> <snip>
>> You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being
>> able to build on anything that has gcc installed.
>
> I don't know what you mean by that.  Are you complaining about the
> default compiler options?  If not, I can't see what's so detrimental to
> portability about gcc.

It isn't gcc itself that is detrimental to the concept of portability, 
but the mind-set that "gcc works everywhere, so I can use gcc-specific 
code and still be portable". That's fine up to a point, but that point 
may well be the moment at which your customer says "ok, now I need the 
code to compile on Borland, so that we can bolt a Windows interface to 
the front end", and suddenly you have a portability problem.

Is that mind-set universal among gcc users? No, of course not. So it's 
not gcc itself that's the problem.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#64055

FromBGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Date2015-06-24 07:55 -0500
Message-ID<mme9jt$vvl$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#64036
On 6/24/2015 5:23 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 24/06/15 11:05, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> <snip>
>>> You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being
>>> able to build on anything that has gcc installed.
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by that.  Are you complaining about the
>> default compiler options?  If not, I can't see what's so detrimental to
>> portability about gcc.
>
> It isn't gcc itself that is detrimental to the concept of portability,
> but the mind-set that "gcc works everywhere, so I can use gcc-specific
> code and still be portable". That's fine up to a point, but that point
> may well be the moment at which your customer says "ok, now I need the
> code to compile on Borland, so that we can bolt a Windows interface to
> the front end", and suddenly you have a portability problem.
>
> Is that mind-set universal among gcc users? No, of course not. So it's
> not gcc itself that's the problem.
>

remember once modifying code for VLC media player so I could build it 
using MSVC on Windows (for personal use), as I just wasn't getting it 
built successfully using either GCC (MinGW and Cygwin), nor using the 
recommended strategy of using the Linux version of MinGW to 
cross-compile for Windows.

some of the VLC devs found out and there was much raging at the time, 
them seeing the notion of building VLC on a compiler like MSVC as "evil".

later ended up mostly just writing Windows codec drivers and doing 
things through Media Player Classic and VirtualDub instead (partly as 
using VLC for much beyond a video player is a mess).


theoretically, VLC can be used for things like streaming/transcoding and 
limited video-editing tasks, but the interface is terrible, and it is 
prone to "not work so good" (output files are unreadable and/or have 
terrible video quality, and/or cause VLC to crash).

better is VirtualDub (good for transcoding/..., poor for editing) and 
MovieMaker (good for editing, if you can get stuff loaded into it, only 
accepts AVI input and only produces WMV output).

though, pretty much nothing I have can successfully transcode the videos 
my cellphone records (the rare few transcoders I have that accept 3GP, 
can't seem to correctly decode the audio), best I can do is upload them 
to YouTube. I have a much better camera, but sadly end up hardly ever 
using it, as it is so much more bigger/inconvenient than a cellphone.

also generally too lazy to do voice-overs (and my voice sucks, I suspect 
it is better when I don't say anything), and likewise for subtitles 
(lots of effort, often don't convey much information).

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#64063

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>
Date2015-06-24 07:48 -0700
Message-ID<5b6ef4e0-31b3-4d33-a74e-2bceba45a679@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#64055
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 1:59:50 PM UTC+1, BGB wrote:
>
> some of the VLC devs found out and there was much raging at the time, 
> them seeing the notion of building VLC on a compiler like MSVC as "evil".
> 
Stallman and his followers have some rather odd political ideas. You don't 
have to subscribe to them wholesale to appreciate that they do a lot of
good work for the development community. Reality is that you often need
stuff to compile under MSVC.
MS has a habit of using its market position to break standards, which, as an
engineer, is infuriating. But our interests don't fully coincide. I want to be
able to take my code and use it anywhere, MS wants to lock me into Windows.
Apple are just as bad. They've banned emulation layers on some of their
products.

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#64082

FromBGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Date2015-06-24 10:47 -0500
Message-ID<mmejlc$pg1$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#64063
On 6/24/2015 9:48 AM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 1:59:50 PM UTC+1, BGB wrote:
>>
>> some of the VLC devs found out and there was much raging at the time,
>> them seeing the notion of building VLC on a compiler like MSVC as "evil".
>>
> Stallman and his followers have some rather odd political ideas. You don't
> have to subscribe to them wholesale to appreciate that they do a lot of
> good work for the development community. Reality is that you often need
> stuff to compile under MSVC.

yeah.

I would personally assume writing code portable enough to compile on a 
range of compilers (as opposed to just ones which happen to be called GCC).


> MS has a habit of using its market position to break standards, which, as an
> engineer, is infuriating. But our interests don't fully coincide. I want to be
> able to take my code and use it anywhere, MS wants to lock me into Windows.
> Apple are just as bad. They've banned emulation layers on some of their
> products.

there is a difference though between making the code MS-specific, and 
modifying code into a form which builds on MS compilers.

these changes were more in terms of replacing some GCC extensions and 
unsupported features (C99 stuff), with stuff that worked in MSVC.

I have over the years ended up doing this a lot, mostly as I tend to use 
MS's compiler for Windows builds (it does Windows stuff well), and 
typically GCC for other targets (usually, whatever works).

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#64639

Fromraltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos)
Date2015-07-03 17:34 +0000
Message-ID<5596c77c.10497500@news.xs4all.nl>
In reply to#64036
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

> On 24/06/15 11:05, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> > <snip>
> >> You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being
> >> able to build on anything that has gcc installed.
> >
> > I don't know what you mean by that.  Are you complaining about the
> > default compiler options?  If not, I can't see what's so detrimental to
> > portability about gcc.
> 
> It isn't gcc itself that is detrimental to the concept of portability, 
> but the mind-set that "gcc works everywhere, so I can use gcc-specific 
> code and still be portable".

Exactly. It's the same mind-set that infests Microsoft adherents, and
it's time the GNU crowd acknowledged their similarity.

Richard

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#64691

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>
Date2015-07-05 05:27 -0700
Message-ID<beb316c9-26fe-478a-8da6-8276e488d009@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#64639
On Friday, July 3, 2015 at 6:34:37 PM UTC+1, Richard Bos wrote:
> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> > It isn't gcc itself that is detrimental to the concept of portability, 
> > but the mind-set that "gcc works everywhere, so I can use gcc-specific 
> > code and still be portable".
> 
> Exactly. It's the same mind-set that infests Microsoft adherents, and
> it's time the GNU crowd acknowledged their similarity.
> 
It's really hard to get portable code. Most user-level programs at least can't run
without some sort of GUI. And that has to work closely with the OS. All the OSes
provide essentially the same services, but they do it differently, and you can't
just map one function call to another.

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#64038

FromBartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2015-06-24 11:28 +0100
Message-ID<mme0mp$t4i$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64034
On 24/06/2015 11:05, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> <snip>
>> You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being
>> able to build on anything that has gcc installed.
>
> I don't know what you mean by that.  Are you complaining about the
> default compiler options?  If not, I can't see what's so detrimental to
> portability about gcc.

The concern is dependency on gcc (which my projects have at present 
partly because I've taken my eye off the ball, but also I've lost 
interest in the struggle to make my C code compile with anything).

And with gcc go all the gcc-specific pragmas, gcc-specific extensions, 
gcc-specific makefiles,  gcc-specific compile options, ...

So I mean portability in the sense of being able to grab the nearest C 
compiler, whichever it is, and just use that.

Otherwise, is there any point in having any other C compiler?

-- 
bartc

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#64039

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2015-06-24 11:50 +0100
Message-ID<87d20lidn1.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#64038
Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 24/06/2015 11:05, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> <snip>
>>> You also wave goodbye to portability, unless portability means being
>>> able to build on anything that has gcc installed.
>>
>> I don't know what you mean by that.  Are you complaining about the
>> default compiler options?  If not, I can't see what's so detrimental to
>> portability about gcc.
>
> The concern is dependency on gcc (which my projects have at present
> partly because I've taken my eye off the ball, but also I've lost
> interest in the struggle to make my C code compile with anything).
>
> And with gcc go all the gcc-specific pragmas, gcc-specific extensions,
> gcc-specific makefiles,  gcc-specific compile options, ...
>
> So I mean portability in the sense of being able to grab the nearest C
> compiler, whichever it is, and just use that.

You meant, then, that by using the extensions you wave goodbye to
portability?  That's true of course but hardly unique to gcc.  Your
complaint about gcc is that it has particularly attractive extensions?

> Otherwise, is there any point in having any other C compiler?

And I'm stumped again.  You might choose one compiler for the hands-on
support and bug fixing for some special target (I think that's Jacob's
niche, but there are others).  You might choose another compiler because
it generates better code.  It's not all about extensions, surely?

-- 
Ben.

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#64043

FromBartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2015-06-24 12:58 +0100
Message-ID<mme5tq$ef3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64039
On 24/06/2015 11:50, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

>> So I mean portability in the sense of being able to grab the nearest C
>> compiler, whichever it is, and just use that.
>
> You meant, then, that by using the extensions you wave goodbye to
> portability?  That's true of course but hardly unique to gcc.  Your
> complaint about gcc is that it has particularly attractive extensions?

Go back a few posts and see my reasons why people might use gcc or feel 
obliged to.

If you think that being locked in to a particular compiler and toolset 
is acceptable, that the code involved is still considered portable, then 
that's fine; I'll withdraw my comments.

(However I privately feel that a project that is ostensibly written in 
C, but in reality depends on these other factors, isn't actually in C at 
all, but in C-GCC-4.X.X-BASH-MAKE-6.X-whatever. Whether the C involved 
is -89, -90, -99, or -11 is a minor detail!

And this is even more true when much of the C source is buried under 
masses of preprocessor directives. Because IMO overuse of those isn't 
proper C either. But there at least, that doesn't matter too much if you 
just want to compile the code, not understand it.)

-- 
Bartc

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#64047

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2015-06-24 14:20 +0200
Message-ID<mme771$jh2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64043
On 24/06/15 13:58, Bartc wrote:
> On 24/06/2015 11:50, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>>> So I mean portability in the sense of being able to grab the nearest C
>>> compiler, whichever it is, and just use that.
>>
>> You meant, then, that by using the extensions you wave goodbye to
>> portability?  That's true of course but hardly unique to gcc.  Your
>> complaint about gcc is that it has particularly attractive extensions?
> 
> Go back a few posts and see my reasons why people might use gcc or feel
> obliged to.
> 
> If you think that being locked in to a particular compiler and toolset
> is acceptable, that the code involved is still considered portable, then
> that's fine; I'll withdraw my comments.
> 
> (However I privately feel that a project that is ostensibly written in
> C, but in reality depends on these other factors, isn't actually in C at
> all, but in C-GCC-4.X.X-BASH-MAKE-6.X-whatever. Whether the C involved
> is -89, -90, -99, or -11 is a minor detail!
> 
> And this is even more true when much of the C source is buried under
> masses of preprocessor directives. Because IMO overuse of those isn't
> proper C either. But there at least, that doesn't matter too much if you
> just want to compile the code, not understand it.)
> 

Let me get this straight - you say that one of the great things about
gcc is the extensions.  You use those extensions to write better code,
and then you are complaining that gcc is "forcing" you to write
non-portable code and locking you in?

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#64050

Fromjacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr>
Date2015-06-24 14:27 +0200
Message-ID<mme7k8$jvr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64047
Le 24/06/2015 14:20, David Brown a écrit :
> Let me get this straight - you say that one of the great things about
> gcc is the extensions.  You use those extensions to write better code,
> and then you are complaining that gcc is "forcing" you to write
> non-portable code and locking you in?

No, he is confusing things.

Extensions are OK when is gcc.

Extensions are a "vendor lock in" when they are lcc-win's extensions.

Discussing gcc trivia in this group is OK. Discussing lcc-win is not.

Why?

Because... well, I do not know.

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#64052

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2015-06-24 13:38 +0100
Message-ID<mme899$nac$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#64050
On 24/06/15 13:27, jacobnavia wrote:
> Le 24/06/2015 14:20, David Brown a écrit :
>> Let me get this straight - you say that one of the great things about
>> gcc is the extensions.  You use those extensions to write better code,
>> and then you are complaining that gcc is "forcing" you to write
>> non-portable code and locking you in?
>
> No, he is confusing things.
>
> Extensions are OK when is gcc.

It's okay for gcc to provide them, and it's okay for people to use them, 
but they're not topical here.

> Extensions are a "vendor lock in" when they are lcc-win's extensions.

It's okay for lcc-win to provide them, and it's okay for people to use 
them, but they're not topical here.

> Discussing gcc trivia in this group is OK. Discussing lcc-win is not.

Discussing anything that isn't ISO C here is, strictly speaking, not 
okay, but people do it anyway.

> Why?

I think it's simply because you're the vendor, and so it smacks of 
commercialism, which isn't what Usenet is about.

If one of the Walters (Bright and Banks) were constantly plugging their 
compilers in here (which you used to do, but don't do so much of 
nowadays), they'd eventually get much the same reaction. (Walter Banks, 
at least, used to be a fairly frequent poster to comp.lang.c, but I 
don't remember his ever, not even once, plugging either his compiler or 
its extensions.)

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#64072

Fromgwowen <gwowen@gmail.com>
Date2015-06-24 08:16 -0700
Message-ID<291e254d-3af2-4af1-8740-ca976f7febcf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#64052
On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 1:38:26 PM UTC+1, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Discussing anything that isn't ISO C here is, strictly speaking, not 
> okay, 

... it is often asserted, but never demonstrated.

> but people do it anyway.

Good.

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