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| Started by | "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2017-01-12 11:48 -0800 |
| Last post | 2017-01-13 23:46 +0800 |
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Naming convention for structs and types "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 11:48 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 11:58 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-13 01:35 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-12 17:43 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-13 02:19 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 19:26 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 00:28 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-13 10:56 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 12:23 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 12:49 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 05:03 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 16:00 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 18:28 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-13 18:58 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-14 14:07 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-14 14:31 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 09:20 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 18:47 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 10:02 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 21:42 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 12:55 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-13 13:09 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-15 21:01 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-12 17:48 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 19:35 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-12 19:45 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 19:51 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-12 21:12 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 12:53 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-13 08:59 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 18:48 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-13 18:03 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-18 12:05 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-13 19:30 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-13 13:00 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-13 10:43 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-13 18:52 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-13 12:56 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 10:54 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-13 22:00 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 11:18 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-14 00:59 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-13 17:12 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 14:47 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-14 01:36 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-14 11:26 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-14 14:11 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Parity Error <kgf@quiscurat.net> - 2017-01-15 08:33 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-15 02:52 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-15 14:48 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-18 12:07 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 14:40 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 11:28 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-14 11:48 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> - 2017-01-14 13:17 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-14 14:21 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 13:27 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-14 14:00 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 14:11 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 14:12 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-14 16:18 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-14 16:31 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 18:50 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-14 19:48 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-15 10:15 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-14 20:12 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-14 23:31 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-14 10:28 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 18:52 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-14 14:49 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-14 14:41 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-14 23:03 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Parity Error <kgf@quiscurat.net> - 2017-01-15 08:41 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-16 20:01 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 00:19 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 00:29 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 09:12 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 11:59 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 13:16 +0000
OT: Bash tab completion (was: Naming convention for structs and types) Andreas Perstinger <andipersti@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 13:27 +0000
Re: OT: Bash tab completion BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 13:59 +0000
Re: OT: Bash tab completion David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 15:49 +0100
Re: OT: Bash tab completion fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 07:06 -0800
Re: OT: Bash tab completion fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 07:43 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 15:18 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 19:26 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 21:53 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 20:56 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 21:38 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 14:22 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-01-17 23:43 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-18 00:33 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 11:03 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-18 12:15 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 13:59 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-18 15:45 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 17:28 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-18 09:30 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-18 23:18 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 21:22 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 12:47 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 08:11 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-18 17:17 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 09:47 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 21:20 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-18 22:26 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-19 00:31 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-18 15:41 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-18 23:58 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-17 11:49 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 21:56 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-17 13:18 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 12:50 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-18 07:51 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-01-17 19:50 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 21:59 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-18 17:51 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-18 12:15 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-19 07:52 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-18 12:09 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 13:26 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-15 08:10 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-14 12:28 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-15 10:17 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-13 15:12 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 12:31 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2017-01-13 16:03 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-13 15:57 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-14 13:29 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-14 10:45 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 12:19 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-16 15:22 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-16 16:35 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-17 17:02 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-17 20:57 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-17 08:47 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-18 08:03 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 07:04 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-18 08:01 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 11:47 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-17 22:16 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-17 15:44 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-18 17:59 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 04:42 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-19 07:57 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 11:22 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 13:36 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 05:07 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 16:09 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-18 07:36 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-18 17:32 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-18 17:55 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2017-01-19 22:28 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-20 08:36 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-01-20 04:27 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 12:01 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-12 20:11 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-12 12:50 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-12 21:02 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-12 13:26 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-12 21:35 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 16:37 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 12:57 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 16:38 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-13 17:52 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-01-12 20:07 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 12:45 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-12 13:01 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types jadill33@gmail.com - 2017-01-12 13:57 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 13:59 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-12 15:08 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-14 10:33 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-01-14 15:20 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-01-15 21:31 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-13 19:43 +1300
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 01:00 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-13 13:03 -0500
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 16:02 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-14 13:36 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Fernando D. Bozzo" <fdbozzo@gmail.com> - 2017-01-14 05:22 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-14 17:27 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-18 21:05 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-19 09:48 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-19 13:31 -0500
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-19 21:18 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2017-01-22 17:10 +0000
Re: Naming convention for structs and types David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-01-22 18:27 +0100
Re: Naming convention for structs and types James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-01-13 12:49 -0500
Re: Naming convention for structs and types supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-01-13 09:55 -0800
Re: Naming convention for structs and types "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2017-01-13 23:46 +0800
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 11:18 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <edt21cF4adeU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101673 |
On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote: > On 13/01/2017 21:54, Ian Collins wrote: >> On 01/14/17 09:56 AM, Malcolm McLean wrote: >>> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:52:14 PM UTC, Richard Heathfield wrote: >>>> On 13/01/17 18:43, Malcolm McLean wrote: >>>> >>>>> Also, some C++ compilers seem to throw wobblies when asked to >>>>> link with C. >>>> >>>> Not when you ask nice. >>>> >>> The problem is that modern compilers have a whole massive list of >>> options, >>> If the options are not set up correctly, it fails with confusing >>> messages (currently my XCode compiler is reporting a fail because >>> some post-processing script doesn't find the right file, but in fact >>> produces a workable plug-in). >>> Then half the time the options are not set directly but via CMake, >>> which is effectively a programming language for building IDE files. >>> >>> When things go wrong, as they frequently do, it is very time-consuming. >> >> In a word, bollocks. If C++ compilers "throw wobblies when asked to >> link with C", no hosted C++ program would ever link. What do you think >> system libraries are written in, Martian? > > He didn't say it can't be done, but that it can give problems. > > Of course, if your entire job is spent day in and day out using and > configuring all these different tools, then you're going to think it's easy. > > To a more casual user, the problems may be insurmountable. In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program and then doing CC helloWorld.cc will be linking C and C++ libraries. There are no "massive list of options", it just works. -- Ian
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| From | BartC <bc@freeuk.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 00:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o5bt2d$ul1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101676 |
On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote:
> On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote:
>> To a more casual user, the problems may be insurmountable.
>
> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program
> and then doing
>
> CC helloWorld.cc
>
> will be linking C and C++ libraries. There are no "massive list of
> options", it just works.
If I try this program, which I believe is C++:
$ cat hello.cc
#include <iostream>
int main(void) {
std::cout << "HELLO WORLD" << "\n";
}
And then use your suggestion (but with "cc" as "CC" is not found), I get
this:
$ cc hello.cc
/tmp/ccXxAgos.o: In function `main':
hello.cc:(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `std::cout'
hello.cc:(.text+0x13): undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char,
std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>
>(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'
hello.cc:(.text+0x22): undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char,
std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>
>(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'
/tmp/ccXxAgos.o: In function
`__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int, int)':
hello.cc:(.text+0x52): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()'
hello.cc:(.text+0x67): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::~Init()'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
What is CC or cc? I don't even know. But if I try:
g++ hello.cc
then it works.
I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe me.
--
Bartc
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-13 17:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6b889a23-1052-4d54-99e4-91d893b928c6@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #101700 |
On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 12:59:30 AM UTC, Bart wrote:
> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote:
> > On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote:
>
> >> To a more casual user, the problems may be insurmountable.
> >
> > In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program
> > and then doing
> >
> > CC helloWorld.cc
> >
> > will be linking C and C++ libraries. There are no "massive list of
> > options", it just works.
>
> If I try this program, which I believe is C++:
>
> $ cat hello.cc
> #include <iostream>
>
> int main(void) {
> std::cout << "HELLO WORLD" << "\n";
> }
>
> And then use your suggestion (but with "cc" as "CC" is not found), I get
> this:
>
> $ cc hello.cc
>
> hello.cc:(.text+0x13): undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char,
> std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>
>
> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe me.
>
That's the sort of thing that makes trouble shooting difficult.
A pure C compiler would simply report std as an unidentified symbol
and :: as a syntax error. Because the compiler is not C++ naive
it throws that at you. char_traits<char> is a red herring, but how
are you to know unless you've got bitter experience?
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 14:47 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <edtea5Ftl8kU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101702 |
On 01/14/17 02:12 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 12:59:30 AM UTC, Bart wrote:
>> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote:
>>> On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote:
>>
>>>> To a more casual user, the problems may be insurmountable.
>>>
>>> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program
>>> and then doing
>>>
>>> CC helloWorld.cc
>>>
>>> will be linking C and C++ libraries. There are no "massive list of
>>> options", it just works.
>>
>> If I try this program, which I believe is C++:
>>
>> $ cat hello.cc
>> #include <iostream>
>>
>> int main(void) {
>> std::cout << "HELLO WORLD" << "\n";
>> }
>>
>> And then use your suggestion (but with "cc" as "CC" is not found), I get
>> this:
>>
>> $ cc hello.cc
>>
>> hello.cc:(.text+0x13): undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char,
>> std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>
>>
>> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe me.
>>
> That's the sort of thing that makes trouble shooting difficult.
Utter nonsense. It's the sort off thing that happens when someone
without a clue uses the wrong tool.
--
Ian
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 01:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87o9zao22f.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #101700 |
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote:
>
>>> To a more casual user, the problems may be insurmountable.
>>
>> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program
>> and then doing
>>
>> CC helloWorld.cc
>>
>> will be linking C and C++ libraries. There are no "massive list of
>> options", it just works.
>
> If I try this program, which I believe is C++:
>
> $ cat hello.cc
> #include <iostream>
>
> int main(void) {
> std::cout << "HELLO WORLD" << "\n";
> }
>
> And then use your suggestion (but with "cc" as "CC" is not found), I
> get this:
>
> $ cc hello.cc
> /tmp/ccXxAgos.o: In function `main':
> hello.cc:(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `std::cout'
> hello.cc:(.text+0x13): undefined reference to
> `std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<<
> <std::char_traits<char>
>>(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'
> hello.cc:(.text+0x22): undefined reference to
> `std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<<
> <std::char_traits<char>
>>(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'
> /tmp/ccXxAgos.o: In function
> `__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int, int)':
> hello.cc:(.text+0x52): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()'
> hello.cc:(.text+0x67): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::~Init()'
> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> What is CC or cc? I don't even know.
Do you not know how to find out? My system has a manual system for
explaining commands.
> But if I try:
>
> g++ hello.cc
>
> then it works.
>
> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe
> me.
Ian was calling your claim of insurmountable problems linking C and C++
bollocks and yet here you are, surmounting them with ease. Surely even
the most casual user would eventually find out the name of the
compiler.
--
Ben.
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| From | BartC <bc@freeuk.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 11:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o5d1qb$idu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101704 |
On 14/01/2017 01:36, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > >> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote: >>> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program >>> and then doing >>> >>> CC helloWorld.cc >> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe >> me. > > Ian was calling your claim of insurmountable problems linking C and C++ > bollocks and yet here you are, surmounting them with ease. Surely even > the most casual user would eventually find out the name of the > compiler. This was the simplest of all possible tasks, yet Ian dished out the wrong advice, or advice that that didn't work. Suggesting CC when cc doesn't exist, and cc is apparently a synonym for gcc. Yet this was supposed to be a C++ program. man CC and man cc say nothing about CC or cc but show info about gcc. Now imagine this advice was buried inside a makefile for hidden in a script behind variables. -- Bartc
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| From | Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 14:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <877f5xohoo.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #101732 |
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > On 14/01/2017 01:36, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >> >>> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote: > >>>> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program >>>> and then doing >>>> >>>> CC helloWorld.cc > >>> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe >>> me. >> >> Ian was calling your claim of insurmountable problems linking C and C++ >> bollocks and yet here you are, surmounting them with ease. Surely even >> the most casual user would eventually find out the name of the >> compiler. > > This was the simplest of all possible tasks, yet Ian dished out the > wrong advice, or advice that that didn't work. No he didn't. You are in full-blown politician mode. We both know he was giving a counter-example, not "dishing out advice". <snip> -- Ben.
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| From | Parity Error <kgf@quiscurat.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-15 08:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <QtGeA.904292$WF4.698484@fx39.am4> |
| In reply to | #101732 |
On 14/01/17 11:26, BartC wrote: > On 14/01/2017 01:36, Ben Bacarisse wrote: >> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >> >>> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote: > >>>> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world >>>> program >>>> and then doing >>>> >>>> CC helloWorld.cc > >>> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe >>> me. >> >> Ian was calling your claim of insurmountable problems linking C and C++ >> bollocks and yet here you are, surmounting them with ease. Surely even >> the most casual user would eventually find out the name of the >> compiler. > > This was the simplest of all possible tasks, yet Ian dished out the > wrong advice, or advice that that didn't work. Suggesting CC when cc > doesn't exist CC is makefile-speak for compiler of your choice; at the top of many makefiles you'll see something like CC=bcc32 or CC=cl or CC=gcc all of which will compile either C or C++; CC is a variable it's not reasonable for a C programmer not to know this already, so why don't you? there is more to c programming than printf and stdio.h, you might want to read up on makefiles >, and cc is apparently a synonym for gcc. you mean you thought he maent CC helloworld.gcc ? why would you think that? Or do you think he meant gcc helloworld.cc ? if so, why would you write cc when he wrote CC? > Yet this was > supposed to be a C++ program. > > man CC and man cc say nothing about CC or cc but show info about gcc. > > Now imagine this advice was buried inside a makefile for hidden in a > script behind variables. why does it need to be hidden anywhere? it's bleedin obvious
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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-15 02:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <lnvatgh9x2.fsf@kst-u.example.com> |
| In reply to | #101834 |
Parity Error <kgf@quiscurat.net> writes:
> On 14/01/17 11:26, BartC wrote:
>> On 14/01/2017 01:36, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote:
>>
>>>>> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world
>>>>> program
>>>>> and then doing
>>>>>
>>>>> CC helloWorld.cc
[...]
> CC is makefile-speak for compiler of your choice; at the top of many
> makefiles you'll see something like
> CC=bcc32
> or
> CC=cl
> or
> CC=gcc
> all of which will compile either C or C++; CC is a variable
That's not what Ian was referring to. Even in a Makefile,
CC helloWorld.cc
will invoke a command named "CC". To explicitly invoked the command
named by the CC variable, you'd use
$(CC) helloWorld.cc
But that wouldn't make sense either. CC in a Makefile is conventionally
the name of the C compiler; CXX refers to the C++ compiler. And even
though the "gcc" command is able to compile either C or C++, it's
traditional to use "gcc" when compiling C and "g++" when compiling C++
(it matters if you compile and link in a single command).
On the Solaris system Ian users, "CC is literally the name of the
command that invokes the C++ compiler.
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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| From | Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-15 14:48 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8760lge8nx.fsf@news.bourguet.org> |
| In reply to | #101839 |
Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> writes: > On the Solaris system Ian users, "CC is literally the name of the > command that invokes the C++ compiler. CC was also the name of the driver of CFront, the first C++ Compiler. (CC was a script which called the executable cfront to generate c source and then the C compiler). Yours, -- Jean-Marc
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| From | raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-18 12:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <587f5a56.3933875@news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #101704 |
Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> wrote: > BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > > What is CC or cc? I don't even know. > > Do you not know how to find out? My system has a manual system for > explaining commands. Of course he does, but that wouldn't allow him to troll you and Ian. Richard
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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 14:40 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <edtdriFtl8kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101700 |
On 01/14/17 01:59 PM, BartC wrote:
> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote:
>> On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote:
>
>>> To a more casual user, the problems may be insurmountable.
>>
>> In a word, more bollocks. Just writing a simple C++ hello world program
>> and then doing
>>
>> CC helloWorld.cc
>>
>> will be linking C and C++ libraries. There are no "massive list of
>> options", it just works.
>
> If I try this program, which I believe is C++:
>
> $ cat hello.cc
> #include <iostream>
>
> int main(void) {
> std::cout << "HELLO WORLD" << "\n";
> }
>
> And then use your suggestion (but with "cc" as "CC" is not found), I get
> this:
>
> $ cc hello.cc
> /tmp/ccXxAgos.o: In function `main':
> hello.cc:(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `std::cout'
> hello.cc:(.text+0x13): undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char,
> std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>
> >(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'
> hello.cc:(.text+0x22): undefined reference to `std::basic_ostream<char,
> std::char_traits<char> >& std::operator<< <std::char_traits<char>
> >(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&, char const*)'
> /tmp/ccXxAgos.o: In function
> `__static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int, int)':
> hello.cc:(.text+0x52): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::Init()'
> hello.cc:(.text+0x67): undefined reference to `std::ios_base::Init::~Init()'
> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> What is CC or cc? I don't even know. But if I try:
Well if you don't know the names of the compilers on your system, why
bother?
--
Ian
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| From | Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 11:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87fuklq3rz.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #101700 |
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote: >> On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote: > > $ cc hello.cc > What is CC or cc? I don't even know. But if I try: > > g++ hello.cc > > I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe me. Really??? Your complaint is "If I want my C++ code to link I have to know the name of my C++ compiler and call it"? Why not point out that python hello.cc doesn't work either? Even by your standards, that's embarrassing.
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| From | BartC <bc@freeuk.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 11:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o5d33p$ma6$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101733 |
On 14/01/2017 11:28, Gareth Owen wrote: > BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > >> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote: > >> On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote: >> >> $ cc hello.cc >> What is CC or cc? I don't even know. But if I try: >> >> g++ hello.cc >> >> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't believe me. > > Really??? > Your complaint is "If I want my C++ code to link I have to know the name > of my C++ compiler and call it"? Why not point out that > > python hello.cc > > doesn't work either? > > Even by your standards, that's embarrassing. > Ian said this: >Just writing a simple C++ hello world program > and then doing > > CC helloWorld.cc >will be linking C and C++ libraries. ... it just works. Obviously it didn't. I tried it out because I was puzzled by the use of the .cc extension, and was wondering why he would use what looks like a C compiler (even I can vaguely recall cc from Unix) on what he said was C++ code. And even if somehow CC had worked and managed to produce an executable, I still don't see how this is linking a C library, as the program makes use of std::cout. In short, there were half a dozen points of confusion in about as many lines, and people are making out that it's /me/ talking bollocks! -- Bartc
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| From | Jean-Marc Bourguet <jm@bourguet.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 13:17 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <8737glq1j3.fsf@news.bourguet.org> |
| In reply to | #101734 |
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > I tried it out because I was puzzled by the use of the .cc extension, and > was wondering why he would use what looks like a C compiler (even I can > vaguely recall cc from Unix) on what he said was C++ code. CC (as opposed to cc, Unix is case sensitive) is the traditional name of the C++ compiler on Unix. It was used for instance by CFront (cfront was the executable generated C, CC was the driver calling cfront and then the C compiler) and Sun's compiler. I've seen other compilers installing a compatibility link for CC to their true name. Numerous extensions have been used for C++ source, I've met .c, .C, .c++, .cc, .cxx, .cpp. And for headers: .h, .H, .h++, .hh, .hxx, .hpp, .inc (often for a special purpose); some are using specialized headers for inlines: .inl, .ixx, .ipp; and specialized headers for templates: .txx, .tpp. And obviously the standard headers have no extension, and some have followed the example (Qt for instance). Yours, -- Jean-Marc
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| From | David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 14:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <o5d8if$781$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101734 |
On 14/01/17 12:48, BartC wrote: > On 14/01/2017 11:28, Gareth Owen wrote: >> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: >> >>> On 13/01/2017 22:18, Ian Collins wrote: >> >> On 01/14/17 11:00 AM, BartC wrote: >>> >>> $ cc hello.cc >>> What is CC or cc? I don't even know. But if I try: >>> >>> g++ hello.cc >>> >>> I'm sorry, but things *do* go wrong, even if you clearly don't >>> believe me. >> >> Really??? >> Your complaint is "If I want my C++ code to link I have to know the name >> of my C++ compiler and call it"? Why not point out that >> >> python hello.cc >> >> doesn't work either? >> >> Even by your standards, that's embarrassing. >> > Ian said this: > >>Just writing a simple C++ hello world program >> and then doing >> >> CC helloWorld.cc > >>will be linking C and C++ libraries. ... it just works. > > Obviously it didn't. > > I tried it out because I was puzzled by the use of the .cc extension, > and was wondering why he would use what looks like a C compiler (even I > can vaguely recall cc from Unix) on what he said was C++ code. You are using a different OS than Ian, who works in Solaris. Perhaps it is standard in the Solaris world to make CC a symbolic link to the basic system C++ compiler. On Linux, c++ is the common choice. (Symbolic links are used because it could point to different versions of the compiler, or different compilers.) I don't think it is unreasonable to expect someone to know how to invoke /their/ C++ compiler on /their/ system, if they want to program in C++. And .cc is a common choice of extension for C++ files, along with .cpp, .cxx, .c++ and .C > > And even if somehow CC had worked and managed to produce an executable, > I still don't see how this is linking a C library, as the program makes > use of std::cout. There are many libraries involved in the final executable here - both static libraries and dynamic libraries. Many of them will be in C. > > In short, there were half a dozen points of confusion in about as many > lines, and people are making out that it's /me/ talking bollocks! > The confusion is only in your mind - because you work so hard to create it.
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| From | Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 13:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <877f5xpy9h.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #101749 |
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes: >> In short, there were half a dozen points of confusion in about as many >> lines, and people are making out that it's /me/ talking bollocks! >> > > The confusion is only in your mind - because you work so hard to create it. I no longer think he's working hard to create it. I think his state of perpetual bafflement comes to him naturally.
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| From | BartC <bc@freeuk.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 14:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <o5daqr$ehj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101752 |
On 14/01/2017 13:27, Gareth Owen wrote: > David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes: > >>> In short, there were half a dozen points of confusion in about as many >>> lines, and people are making out that it's /me/ talking bollocks! >>> >> >> The confusion is only in your mind - because you work so hard to create it. > > I no longer think he's working hard to create it. I think his state of > perpetual bafflement comes to him naturally. I used to do a lot of customer support. I know the sort of things people have difficulty with, and used to write user and reference manuals with that in mind. Now, in all the years I've been frequenting this group, I don't recall the name 'CC' ever coming up. Compared with 'gcc' which might be almost every other post. Nor have I have ever comes across the file extension '.cc'. This is exactly the sort of thing I would have added notes about if I was doing the posting. (Nice touch BTW of having .cc meaning a C++ source file, and cc meaning a C compiler. You don't want to make this stuff too obvious!) -- Bartc
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| From | Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 14:11 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87wpdxafze.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #101754 |
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > I used to do a lot of customer support. That chimes with my experience of customer support.
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| From | Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-01-14 14:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <87sholafx0.fsf@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #101754 |
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes: > (Nice touch BTW of having .cc meaning a C++ source file, and cc > meaning a C compiler. You don't want to make this stuff too obvious!) I use .cpp exclusively. Nevertheless .cc meaning C++ is incredibly common. That you've never seen it before is ... unremarkable.
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