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absence of max

Started byfir <profesor.fir@gmail.com>
First post2016-11-26 12:49 -0800
Last post2016-12-01 12:33 +0800
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  absence of max fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 12:49 -0800
    absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-26 15:34 -0800
      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-27 00:21 +0000
        Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-27 04:25 -0800
          Re: absence of max Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap@arumes.com> - 2016-11-27 13:54 +0100
            Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-27 13:54 +0000
              Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-27 07:33 -0800
          Re: absence of max Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-11-27 14:06 +0100
          Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-27 17:47 +0100
            Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 07:13 -0800
              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-28 15:35 +0000
                Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 07:48 -0800
                  Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 07:53 -0800
                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 00:14 +0000
                  Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 00:36 +0000
                    Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 02:03 +0000
                    Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-28 23:23 -0800
                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-28 21:05 -0800
              Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-28 16:53 +0100
                Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 08:07 -0800
                  Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:37 +0100
                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 08:26 -0800
                  Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:42 +0100
              Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 08:16 -0800
                Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 09:31 -0800
                  Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 10:38 -0800
                    Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 10:59 -0800
                      Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 12:09 -0800
                        Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 12:46 -0800
                          Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 13:05 -0800
                            Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 13:50 -0800
                              Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:52 +0100
                                Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 05:44 -0800
                                  Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 15:12 +0100
                                    Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 06:54 -0800
                                      Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-30 10:37 +0100
                                        Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 03:07 -0800
                                          Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-30 13:28 +0100
                                            Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-30 05:12 -0800
                  Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-28 18:57 +0000
                    Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 11:33 -0800
                    Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-28 20:09 +0000
                      Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 10:55 +0100
                        Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 10:06 +0000
                          Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-29 11:18 +0100
                            Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 10:28 +0000
                      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 10:49 +0000
                        Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 10:51 +0000
                        Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 11:40 +0000
                          Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 12:17 +0000
                            Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 15:18 +0000
                              Re: absence of max Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 18:30 +0000
                                Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 18:49 +0000
                                  Re: absence of max "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-29 14:09 -0500
                              Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-29 10:56 -0800
                                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 11:29 -0800
                                  Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 20:27 +0000
                                    Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 20:31 +0000
                                      Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-30 10:45 +0100
                                    Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 12:54 -0800
                                      Re: absence of max "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-29 16:21 -0500
                                        Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 21:47 +0000
                                      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 21:30 +0000
                                        Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 14:12 -0800
                                          Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 22:27 +0000
                                            Re: absence of max Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-29 22:33 +0000
                                            Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-11-29 14:52 -0800
                                              Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 15:43 -0800
                            Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 23:51 +0000
                              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 00:51 +0000
                                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 02:08 +0000
                                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-29 18:10 -0800
                    Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 12:29 -0800
                      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-28 21:30 +0000
                        Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 13:47 -0800
                          Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 14:59 -0800
                            Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 15:13 -0800
                          Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 00:12 +0000
                          Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 01:11 +0000
                            Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-28 18:01 -0800
                              Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 02:19 +0000
                              Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-29 13:26 -0800
                                Re: absence of max "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 17:09 -0800
                    Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 00:01 +0000
                      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 00:29 +0000
                        Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 17:02 -0800
                          Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 01:21 +0000
                            Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-28 17:53 -0800
                            Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-28 23:11 -0800
                        Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-29 02:12 +0000
                          Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 11:17 +0000
                            Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-29 09:46 -0500
                              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 15:45 +0000
                                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-29 17:04 -0500
                            Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-29 07:21 -0800
                              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-29 15:50 +0000
                            Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 00:19 +0000
                              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 00:43 +0000
                                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 01:51 +0000
                                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-29 22:26 -0500
                                  Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 11:25 +0000
                                    Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 09:07 -0500
                                      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 14:22 +0000
                                        Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-30 09:03 -0800
                                          Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 23:38 +0000
                                            Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 15:49 -0800
                                              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-01 00:10 +0000
                                                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 17:22 -0800
                                                  Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-01 01:40 +0000
                                                    Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 18:03 -0800
                                        Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 17:25 -0500
                                          Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 23:29 +0000
                                            Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 23:55 -0500
                                            Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 10:05 +0100
                                              Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 11:20 +0000
                                                Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-01 11:41 +0000
                                                Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 13:48 +0100
                                                  Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 10:43 -0800
                                                  Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 21:23 +0000
                                                    Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 14:41 -0800
                                                    Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-02 09:39 +0100
                                              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-01 11:35 +0000
                                                Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 14:51 +0100
                                                  Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-01 15:05 +0000
                                                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 10:49 -0800
                                                  Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-01 20:48 +0000
                                                    Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 16:51 -0500
                                          Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 01:18 +0000
                                            Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-11-30 23:57 -0500
                                              Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 11:38 +0000
                                                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 13:28 -0500
                                                  Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-02 00:06 +0000
                                                    Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 20:02 -0500
                                                      Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-02 02:22 +0000
                                                        Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-01 21:42 -0500
                                                          Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 01:56 +0000
                                                            Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 21:25 -0500
                                                              Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 02:33 +0000
                                                              Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-03 15:20 +0100
                                                                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-03 15:40 -0500
                                                    Re: absence of max Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 21:57 +1300
                                                      Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 10:46 -0500
                                    Re: absence of max asetofsymbols@gmail.com - 2016-11-30 06:36 -0800
                                      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 16:41 +0000
                            Re: absence of max Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-30 20:50 +1300
                              Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 11:11 +0000
                                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 12:00 +0000
                                  Re: absence of max James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-11-30 11:32 -0500
                                    Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-30 19:25 +0000
                                      Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-30 20:45 +0000
                                        Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-30 12:52 -0800
                                        Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-30 14:17 -0800
                                          Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 10:14 +0100
                                            Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 07:37 -0800
                                              Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-01 17:05 +0100
                                                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 10:06 -0800
                                                Re: absence of max James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-01 13:53 -0500
                                                  Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 12:22 -0800
                                                    Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-01 19:02 -0800
                                                  Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-02 10:05 +0100
                                                    Re: absence of max "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-02 11:01 -0500
                                                      Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-02 17:28 +0100
                                                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-01 21:13 +0000
                                              Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 10:53 -0800
                                                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 11:51 -0800
                                                  Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 12:52 -0800
                                                    Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 14:28 -0800
                                                      Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-01 14:48 -0800
                                                        Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-01 15:00 -0800
                                                      Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-01 19:28 -0800
                                                        Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-02 10:30 +0000
                                                        Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-02 07:24 -0800
                                                          Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 10:50 -0500
                                                            Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-02 09:39 -0800
                                                              Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-02 10:17 -0800
                                                                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-02 11:46 -0800
                                                                  Re: absence of max "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-02 15:02 -0500
                                                                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-02 11:58 -0800
                                                                  Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-02 13:25 -0800
                                                              Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 15:31 -0500
                                                                Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-02 13:34 -0800
                                                                  Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 19:32 -0500
                                                                    Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-03 01:11 +0000
                                                                      Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 20:48 -0500
                                                                        Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 02:11 +0000
                                                                          Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 21:27 -0500
                                                                            Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 02:50 +0000
                                                                              Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-02 22:45 -0500
                                                                                Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-03 11:07 +0000
                                                                                  Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-03 15:46 -0500
                                                                                    Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-03 13:46 -0800
                                                                                      Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 23:29 +0000
                                                                                        Re: absence of max "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-03 18:42 -0500
                                                                                          Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 23:59 +0000
                                                                                        Re: absence of max Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2016-12-10 08:31 -0800
                                                                                          Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-10 13:51 -0800
                                                                                            Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-10 22:08 +0000
                                                                                      Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-03 20:19 -0500
                                                                                        Re: absence of max BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-12-04 01:28 +0000
                                                                                          Re: absence of max Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 14:34 +1300
                                                                                            Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-05 00:02 +0000
                                                                                              Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-05 10:34 +0100
                                                                                                Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 08:38 -0500
                                                                                                  Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-05 15:52 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 16:03 -0500
                                                                                        Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-03 19:19 -0800
                                                                                          Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 11:26 -0500
                                                                                Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 11:33 +0000
                                                                                  Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-03 15:48 -0500
                                                                                    Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-04 00:59 +0000
                                                                                      Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-03 20:23 -0500
                                                                          Re: absence of max "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-12-03 10:32 -0500
                                                                            Re: absence of max David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-12-03 17:15 +0100
                                                                              Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-03 08:33 -0800
                                                                                Re: absence of max Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-12-03 11:08 -0800
                                                                            Re: absence of max Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-12-03 21:31 +0000
                                                                    Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-04 08:40 -0800
                                                                      Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-04 19:39 -0500
                                                                        Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-05 07:15 -0800
                                                                          Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 16:09 -0500
                                                                            Re: absence of max supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-12-05 13:38 -0800
                                                                            Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-05 14:12 -0800
                                                                              Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-05 22:21 -0500
                                                                                Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-05 22:05 -0800
                                                                                  Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-06 10:46 -0500
                                                                                    Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-06 09:45 -0800
                                                                                      Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-06 13:25 -0500
                                                                                        Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-06 10:33 -0800
                                                                                          Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-06 16:25 -0500
                                                                                            Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-06 15:10 -0800
                                                                                              Re: absence of max Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2016-12-06 20:48 -0500
                                                                                                Re: absence of max jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-12-07 14:43 -0800
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#97678

Fromsupercat@casperkitty.com
Date2016-11-28 11:33 -0800
Message-ID<d2e409e1-a7bc-4179-a7cd-ea52c4c86db0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#97676
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 12:57:21 PM UTC-6, Bart wrote:
> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts, C allows these 
> expressions, which would raise eyebrows if you are not familiar with the 
> language:
> 
> (s,t are char[]s containing a string; p is a pointer to one object; a,b 
> are arrays; f is a function; i,j are signed integers)
> 
>   s+5;         // add number to string; like my first example

Incidentally, Python will allow both 3+4 (yielding 7) and "3"+"4" (yielding
34), but will squawk at 3+"4" or "3"+4.  If one wants to add 3 to the integer
value of "4", or append the string representation of 4 to the string "3",
one would write 3+int(4) or "3"+str(4), respectively.  That's a reasonably
nice way to handle overloading, since operators work consistently in all
cases where they work without error.

Javascript, by contrast, is more loosy-goosy, and will try to guess what
"5"+4 or "7"-2 should mean; in the former case it will decide that since
there is an overload of "+" for strings, it should convert the value 4
to a string, while in the latter case it will decide that since there is
no overload of "-" for strings, but there is one for numbers, it should
convert "7" to a number.

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#97679

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-11-28 20:09 +0000
Message-ID<o1i2r0$6ui$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97676
On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
<snip>
>
> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,

Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit 
conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit 
conversions".

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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#97716

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2016-11-29 10:55 +0100
Message-ID<o1jj79$fad$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97679
On 28/11/16 21:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
> 
> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
> conversions".
> 

Yes, but we are explicitly emphasising the explicitness of the explicit
casts!

And since google never forgets, "for the record" is redundant too :-)

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#97718

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-11-29 10:06 +0000
Message-ID<o1jjsg$h0u$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97716
On 29/11/16 09:55, David Brown wrote:
> On 28/11/16 21:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>>
>> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
>> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
>> conversions".
>>
>
> Yes, but we are explicitly emphasising the explicitness of the explicit
> casts!

But are we doing so implicitly, explicitly, or explicitly explicitly?

>
> And since google never forgets,

Yeah, right. :-)

> "for the record" is redundant too :-)

Google remembers what /it/ wants to remember, not what /we/ want it to 
remember.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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#97719

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2016-11-29 11:18 +0100
Message-ID<o1jkj0$ju2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97718
On 29/11/16 11:06, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 29/11/16 09:55, David Brown wrote:
>> On 28/11/16 21:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>>>
>>> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
>>> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
>>> conversions".
>>>
>>
>> Yes, but we are explicitly emphasising the explicitness of the explicit
>> casts!
> 
> But are we doing so implicitly, explicitly, or explicitly explicitly?
> 

Implicitly, by using the word "explicitly" explicitly, I think.
Opinions may vary, of course - they usually do.

>>
>> And since google never forgets,
> 
> Yeah, right. :-)
> 
>> "for the record" is redundant too :-)
> 
> Google remembers what /it/ wants to remember, not what /we/ want it to
> remember.
> 

I recently came across a good example of something google did /not/
know, which I thought it should.  But I can't remember what it was.

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#97720

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-11-29 10:28 +0000
Message-ID<o1jl69$m46$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97719
On 29/11/16 10:18, David Brown wrote:
> On 29/11/16 11:06, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 29/11/16 09:55, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 28/11/16 21:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>>>>
>>>> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
>>>> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
>>>> conversions".
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, but we are explicitly emphasising the explicitness of the explicit
>>> casts!
>>
>> But are we doing so implicitly, explicitly, or explicitly explicitly?
>>
>
> Implicitly, by using the word "explicitly" explicitly, I think.
> Opinions may vary, of course - they usually do.
>
>>>
>>> And since google never forgets,
>>
>> Yeah, right. :-)
>>
>>> "for the record" is redundant too :-)
>>
>> Google remembers what /it/ wants to remember, not what /we/ want it to
>> remember.
>>
>
> I recently came across a good example of something google did /not/
> know, which I thought it should.  But I can't remember what it was.


Try googling for it.

(Okay, I'm done!)

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
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#97721

FromBartC <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2016-11-29 10:49 +0000
Message-ID<o1jmcg$qcr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97679
On 28/11/2016 20:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>
> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
> conversions".

The 'explicit casts' was for my benefit, as I use 'casts' to more 
loosely mean a conversion that is either added internally by a compiler, 
or that is applied in source code by the programmer. The latter would be 
explicit.

(I also call them 'hard' and 'soft' conversions, 'hard' being explicit. 
With a hard conversion, the compiler will try and go along with what the 
programmer requests, unless it is completely nonsensical.)

Although I understand that some people have trouble seeing past the 
narrow definition of any technical term as it is spelled out in the 
Language Reference.


-- 
Bartc

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#97722

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-11-29 10:51 +0000
Message-ID<o1jmge$pn7$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97721
On 29/11/16 10:49, BartC wrote:
> On 28/11/2016 20:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>>
>> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
>> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
>> conversions".
>
> The 'explicit casts' was for my benefit, as I use 'casts' to more
> loosely mean a conversion that is either added internally by a compiler,
> or that is applied in source code by the programmer. The latter would be
> explicit.
>
> (I also call them 'hard' and 'soft' conversions, 'hard' being explicit.
> With a hard conversion, the compiler will try and go along with what the
> programmer requests, unless it is completely nonsensical.)
>
> Although I understand that some people have trouble seeing past the
> narrow definition of any technical term as it is spelled out in the
> Language Reference.

Or, to put it another way, you don't understand the value of defining 
things unambiguously?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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#97724

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2016-11-29 11:40 +0000
Message-ID<878ts2h5uk.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#97721
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> On 28/11/2016 20:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>>
>> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
>> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
>> conversions".
>
> The 'explicit casts' was for my benefit, as I use 'casts' to more
> loosely mean a conversion that is either added internally by a
> compiler, or that is applied in source code by the programmer. The
> latter would be explicit.

Why not just call them conversions?  What's the benefit of borrowing a
technical term ("cast") with another meaning and using it a way that is
already well described by a plain English word?  It just seems to be
part of plan to be make programming sounds as confusing as possible.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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#97726

FromBartC <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2016-11-29 12:17 +0000
Message-ID<o1jrj0$d15$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97724
On 29/11/2016 11:40, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>
>> On 28/11/2016 20:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>>>
>>> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
>>> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
>>> conversions".
>>
>> The 'explicit casts' was for my benefit, as I use 'casts' to more
>> loosely mean a conversion that is either added internally by a
>> compiler, or that is applied in source code by the programmer. The
>> latter would be explicit.

> Why not just call them conversions?

'Cast' is shorter than 'conversion' or 'coercion'?

> What's the benefit of borrowing a
> technical term ("cast") with another meaning and using it a way that is
> already well described by a plain English word?  It just seems to be
> part of plan to be make programming sounds as confusing as possible.

The plan seemed more to nitpick any of my posts!

[If you want 'confusing', in my language there is also a kind of cast 
where the programmer doesn't specify the type: A = cast(B); here 
whatever type conversion is needed is applied. So the cast is 
semi-explicit, while the word 'cast' is used more explicitly than it 
would be in C.]

-- 
bartc

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#97732

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-11-29 15:18 +0000
Message-ID<o1k666$iig$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97726
On 29/11/16 12:17, BartC wrote:
> On 29/11/2016 11:40, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 28/11/2016 20:09, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> On 28/11/16 18:57, BartC wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> C is strongly typed? Even without explicit casts,
>>>>
>>>> Just for the record, "explicit" is redundant here. Casts are explicit
>>>> conversions, so you are saying the equivalent of "explicit explicit
>>>> conversions".
>>>
>>> The 'explicit casts' was for my benefit, as I use 'casts' to more
>>> loosely mean a conversion that is either added internally by a
>>> compiler, or that is applied in source code by the programmer. The
>>> latter would be explicit.
>
>> Why not just call them conversions?
>
> 'Cast' is shorter than 'conversion' or 'coercion'?

'C' is even shorter.

Or you could just use '.', which isn't just shorter lengthwise but also 
heightwise.

> [If you want 'confusing', in my language

In C, "cast" means "explicit conversion". If you want to discuss your 
own language, take it up in a newsgroup devoted to that language.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#97739

FromGareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com>
Date2016-11-29 18:30 +0000
Message-ID<87a8ci87g0.fsf@gmail.com>
In reply to#97732
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:

> Or you could just use '.', which isn't just shorter lengthwise but
> also heightwise.

Have you opened the Xmas Sherry tonight Richard?

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#97740

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-11-29 18:49 +0000
Message-ID<o1kih7$2n5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97739
On 29/11/16 18:30, Gareth Owen wrote:
> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>
>> Or you could just use '.', which isn't just shorter lengthwise but
>> also heightwise.
>
> Have you opened the Xmas Sherry tonight Richard?

<grin> No, I'm just exercising reductio ad absurdum. Or perhaps, in this 
case, reductio ad abpointum.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
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#97742

From"James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Date2016-11-29 14:09 -0500
Message-ID<4a2cf557-6fac-d31e-cfc9-84c2233c0d62@verizon.net>
In reply to#97740
On 11/29/2016 01:49 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 29/11/16 18:30, Gareth Owen wrote:
>> Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Or you could just use '.', which isn't just shorter lengthwise but
>>> also heightwise.
>>
>> Have you opened the Xmas Sherry tonight Richard?
>
> <grin> No, I'm just exercising reductio ad absurdum. Or perhaps, in this
> case, reductio ad abpointum.

BartC's reason was pretty absurd even before reduction.

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#97741

Fromsupercat@casperkitty.com
Date2016-11-29 10:56 -0800
Message-ID<ba76aaca-2b51-457b-9c4c-7596cc312ecf@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#97732
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> In C, "cast" means "explicit conversion". If you want to discuss your 
> own language, take it up in a newsgroup devoted to that language.

I like to use the phrase "explicit cast" in cases where casts are intended
to explicitly indicate, to "anything" reading the code (compiler or human),
that something "unusual" may be going on.  Consider the code:

    float f1,f2;
    double d1,d2;
    // Assign values to f1,f2 somehow...
    d1 = f1*f2;
    d2 = (float)(f1*f2);

While saying that (f1*f2) is explicitly cast to "float" (rather than merely
saying that it's "cast") might nominally be redundant, I think it would make
clearer the intention that something "unusual" may be going on.  In the
absence of the cast, some implementations store in d1 a value of type "float"
which holds a value that isn't representable in that type.  Adding the cast
before the assignment to d2 would make explicit a desire *not* to have such
a value stored in d2.

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#97743

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2016-11-29 11:29 -0800
Message-ID<lnr35u84p7.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
In reply to#97741
supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> In C, "cast" means "explicit conversion". If you want to discuss your 
>> own language, take it up in a newsgroup devoted to that language.
>
> I like to use the phrase "explicit cast" in cases where casts are intended
> to explicitly indicate, to "anything" reading the code (compiler or human),
> that something "unusual" may be going on.
[...]

I like to use the word "cast" for that.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#97744

FromBartC <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2016-11-29 20:27 +0000
Message-ID<o1ko91$psp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97743
On 29/11/2016 19:29, Keith Thompson wrote:
> supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> In C, "cast" means "explicit conversion". If you want to discuss your
>>> own language, take it up in a newsgroup devoted to that language.
>>
>> I like to use the phrase "explicit cast" in cases where casts are intended
>> to explicitly indicate, to "anything" reading the code (compiler or human),
>> that something "unusual" may be going on.
> [...]
>
> I like to use the word "cast" for that.

The C Standard uses 'explicit cast' in 6.5.4p3 (2007 and 2009 drafts).

I wonder what they could possibly mean?

-- 
Bartc

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#97745

FromRichard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk>
Date2016-11-29 20:31 +0000
Message-ID<o1koh6$qes$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97744
On 29/11/16 20:27, BartC wrote:
> On 29/11/2016 19:29, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
>>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield
>>> wrote:
>>>> In C, "cast" means "explicit conversion". If you want to discuss your
>>>> own language, take it up in a newsgroup devoted to that language.
>>>
>>> I like to use the phrase "explicit cast" in cases where casts are
>>> intended
>>> to explicitly indicate, to "anything" reading the code (compiler or
>>> human),
>>> that something "unusual" may be going on.
>> [...]
>>
>> I like to use the word "cast" for that.
>
> The C Standard uses 'explicit cast' in 6.5.4p3 (2007 and 2009 drafts).
>
> I wonder what they could possibly mean?

Since the Standard /defines/ 'cast' as 'explicit conversion', presumably 
they mean 'explicit explicit conversion'. If you feel strongly enough 
about it, raise a DR.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#97770

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2016-11-30 10:45 +0100
Message-ID<o1m716$rug$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#97745
On 29/11/16 21:31, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 29/11/16 20:27, BartC wrote:
>> On 29/11/2016 19:29, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>> supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> In C, "cast" means "explicit conversion". If you want to discuss your
>>>>> own language, take it up in a newsgroup devoted to that language.
>>>>
>>>> I like to use the phrase "explicit cast" in cases where casts are
>>>> intended
>>>> to explicitly indicate, to "anything" reading the code (compiler or
>>>> human),
>>>> that something "unusual" may be going on.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> I like to use the word "cast" for that.
>>
>> The C Standard uses 'explicit cast' in 6.5.4p3 (2007 and 2009 drafts).
>>
>> I wonder what they could possibly mean?
> 
> Since the Standard /defines/ 'cast' as 'explicit conversion', presumably
> they mean 'explicit explicit conversion'. If you feel strongly enough
> about it, raise a DR.
> 

Think of it like "The great big enormous turnip".  Redundancy for
emphasis or additional clarity is not a problem.  Remember, some people
reading the C standards are doing so for the first time, and some people
reading articles or Usenet posts about C do not have decades of
experience in C terminology details - it does no harm to write "explicit
cast" on occasion, especially in contrast to implicit conversions.

There is enough confusion about terms in this thread.  Surely we can
live with a little redundancy - it is a step up from a lot of inaccuracy!

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#97746

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2016-11-29 12:54 -0800
Message-ID<lnmvgi80s5.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
In reply to#97744
BartC <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> On 29/11/2016 19:29, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
>>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 9:18:50 AM UTC-6, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>>> In C, "cast" means "explicit conversion". If you want to discuss your
>>>> own language, take it up in a newsgroup devoted to that language.
>>>
>>> I like to use the phrase "explicit cast" in cases where casts are
>>> intended to explicitly indicate, to "anything" reading the code
>>> (compiler or human), that something "unusual" may be going on.
>> [...]
>>
>> I like to use the word "cast" for that.
>
> The C Standard uses 'explicit cast' in 6.5.4p3 (2007 and 2009 drafts).

The C90, C99, and C11 editions of the standard all use that phrase.
(In C90 it's under Semantics; in C99 and C11 it's under Constraints.)

> I wonder what they could possibly mean?

It means the same thing as "cast".  Presumably the authors chose
to add the redundant word "explicit" for emphasis.  I probably
wouldn't have done so, but it's not wrong.

Do you think that "explicit cast" means something different from
"cast", in that context or any other C context?  If so, what?

For that matter, I'm fairly sure the entire sentence:

    Conversions that involve pointers, other than where permitted
    by the constraints of 6.5.16.1, shall be specified by means of
    an explicit cast.

is redundant, since it's already covered by the constraints on simple
assignment (which also apply to parameter passing, initialization,
and return statements).  A little redundancy isn't necessarily
a bad thing (the C standard is not an entirely formal document),
but in my opinion that particular sentence should be a footnote.

My guess is that that wording was added to emphasize a change in the
language.  Looking back at the 1974 and 1975 versions of the C manual,
I'm a bit surprised to see that the language didn't have a cast
operator.  K&R1 (1978) did, but it's not clear that a cast was required
for pointer conversions.

In old C, it was common to see things like
    char *ptr = 0xDEADBEEF;
or, more likely for the PDP-11:
    char *ptr = 0177770;
to allow references to a specific memory address.  I think the wording
was added to emphasize that things like that were no longer valid.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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