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Sort char array

Started byDFS <nospam@dfs.com>
First post2019-10-04 13:00 -0400
Last post2019-10-15 11:19 -0700
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  Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-04 13:00 -0400
    Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-04 17:06 +0000
    Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-04 21:55 +0300
      Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-04 19:24 -0400
      Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-05 13:08 +0300
    Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-04 21:06 +0100
    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 01:21 +0100
      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 01:23 +0100
        Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-04 20:49 -0400
      Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-04 20:45 -0400
        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 13:14 +0100
          Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-05 14:35 +0100
            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 17:12 +0100
              Re: Sort char array luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2019-10-05 09:26 -0700
                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 17:51 +0100
                Re: Sort char array chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-10-15 09:00 -0700
                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-15 19:29 +0300
              Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-05 18:13 +0100
                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 21:09 +0100
                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-05 13:22 -0700
                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 21:45 +0100
                  Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-06 00:17 +0100
                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 16:32 +0300
                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-06 15:54 +0100
                  Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-06 08:07 -0700
                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-06 17:39 +0100
                      Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-06 12:52 -0700
                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-06 21:26 +0100
                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 01:37 +0300
                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 01:10 +0100
                            Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-06 17:32 -0700
                              Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 02:02 +0100
                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-07 09:41 +0200
                              Re: Sort char array mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-10-07 00:39 -0700
                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 10:59 +0100
                                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-07 13:19 +0300
                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 12:42 +0100
                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-07 13:57 +0200
                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 15:01 +0100
                                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-07 17:42 +0300
                                            Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-07 17:20 +0100
                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-07 19:33 +0300
                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 18:22 +0100
                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 02:27 +0300
                                                Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-07 17:02 -0700
                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 08:53 +0200
                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-08 12:28 +0100
                                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-08 11:47 -0700
                                                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 02:02 +0300
                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 00:50 +0100
                                                      Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 03:03 +0300
                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 01:51 +0100
                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-10 10:31 +0200
                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 11:57 +0100
                                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-10 14:24 +0200
                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 14:41 +0100
                                                                  Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-10 16:17 +0200
                                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 18:09 +0100
                                                                      Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-10 17:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-10 01:37 -0700
                                                          Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-10 11:05 -0700
                                                            Re: Sort char array Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-10-10 14:33 -0400
                                                              Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-10 12:20 -0700
                                                                Re: Sort char array Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-10-10 16:00 -0400
                                                                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 23:43 +0300
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-10 14:12 -0700
                                                                    Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 01:04 +0300
                                                                      Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-10 22:17 +0000
                                                                        Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-10 15:24 -0700
                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 12:57 +0100
                                                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 00:53 +0300
                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-11 00:50 +0100
                                                              Re: Sort char array Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2019-10-12 03:42 +0800
                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-11 22:16 +0100
                                                              Re: Sort char array raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2019-10-14 16:08 +0000
                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 19:20 +0100
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-15 07:40 +1300
                                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 20:24 +0100
                                                                      Re: Sort char array Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-15 08:33 +1300
                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 20:52 +0100
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-14 16:18 -0700
                                                                            Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-14 23:42 +0000
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-10-15 16:40 +1300
                                                                            Re: Sort char array chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-10-15 05:10 -0700
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-14 12:00 -0700
                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 12:33 +0200
                                                      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 14:22 +0100
                                                        Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 15:35 +0200
                                                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 16:15 +0100
                                                            Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 20:24 +0200
                                                              Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 20:42 +0100
                                                          Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-09 10:40 -0700
                                                            Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 20:31 +0200
                                                              Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-09 12:02 -0700
                                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 22:21 +0200
                                                                Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-09 21:31 +0000
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-09 15:35 -0700
                                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 00:32 +0300
                                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-10 10:40 +0200
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-10 10:42 -0700
                                                                    Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-10 15:58 -0700
                                                                      Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-13 21:37 +0300
                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-13 19:56 +0100
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 00:56 +0300
                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 11:04 +0100
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-14 13:33 +0300
                                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-18 10:57 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-10-18 05:56 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-18 06:10 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-18 15:24 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-18 09:41 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-18 07:20 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-18 15:29 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-19 06:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-18 13:36 +0000
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-18 15:17 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-18 16:44 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-18 08:49 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-18 17:56 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-18 09:03 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-18 19:14 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-18 23:45 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-18 23:06 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-18 23:45 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-19 00:49 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-19 01:19 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-19 11:16 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-19 03:56 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-19 13:29 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-19 08:44 -0400
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-19 14:05 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-19 07:35 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-19 18:01 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-19 20:14 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-19 23:12 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-20 00:45 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-20 10:24 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 14:39 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-20 06:11 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 15:36 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-20 14:36 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 16:47 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-20 19:16 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 21:37 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-20 09:54 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-19 13:24 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-19 13:40 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-19 13:13 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-19 13:57 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 15:04 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-20 06:21 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 15:40 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-20 07:29 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 16:49 +0200
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-20 15:10 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 21:26 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-20 19:56 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 23:06 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-20 23:08 +0100
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-21 00:25 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-20 22:33 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-20 22:57 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-21 00:14 +0100
                                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-20 23:48 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-21 11:20 +0100
                                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-21 12:36 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-20 22:48 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-21 01:20 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-22 18:00 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-22 10:51 -0700
                                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-22 19:19 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-20 21:27 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-20 14:46 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-20 23:34 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-18 16:35 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-18 17:01 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-18 19:15 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-18 19:01 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 13:14 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-20 11:25 +0000
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-20 15:07 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-10-18 16:58 +0000
                                                                            Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-14 08:06 -0700
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-14 19:55 +0300
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-15 03:24 +0100
                                                                                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-15 12:39 +0300
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-15 04:03 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-15 14:30 +0100
                                                                                Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-18 05:59 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-19 00:31 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-23 04:46 -0700
                                                                        Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-14 12:06 -0700
                                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-11 10:30 +0200
                                                                      Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-11 02:26 -0700
                                                                        Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-11 12:41 +0200
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-11 11:34 -0700
                                                                            Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-12 12:06 +0200
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-12 11:55 -0700
                                                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-13 13:23 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-13 13:30 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-14 16:13 +0200
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:00 +0300
                                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-11 10:33 +0200
                                                              Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 01:01 -0700
                                                                Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-10 11:19 +0100
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 12:18 +0100
                                                                    Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-10 16:15 +0100
                                                                      Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-10 15:32 +0000
                                                                        Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-10 21:03 +0100
                                                                          Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-10 20:36 +0000
                                                                      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 17:16 +0100
                                                                        Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-11 03:25 +0100
                                                                          Re: Sort char array David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 22:36 -0700
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-11 12:10 +0100
                                                                            Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-12 00:26 +0100
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-12 00:44 +0100
                                                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-12 12:18 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-12 12:42 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-12 15:00 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-12 15:29 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-12 19:13 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-12 19:04 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-12 20:13 -0400
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-13 01:36 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-12 22:52 -0400
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-12 23:06 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-13 10:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-13 16:42 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-13 18:03 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-13 19:50 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-14 12:27 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-15 10:26 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Ike Naar <ike@sdf.lonestar.org> - 2019-10-14 21:02 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 01:39 +0300
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 01:51 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-14 12:16 +0300
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 10:45 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-14 13:16 +0300
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 03:34 -0700
                                                                                                        Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-10-14 03:54 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-14 13:36 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2019-10-14 09:49 -0400
                                                                                                              Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-10-14 07:15 -0700
                                                                                                                Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-14 14:55 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2019-10-14 08:10 -0700
                                                                                                                    Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-14 16:21 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago) Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-10-14 09:25 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-14 14:57 +0300
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-14 08:24 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 16:40 +0100
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-14 16:17 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-14 23:45 +0100
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-15 00:03 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 05:30 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-14 16:05 +0300
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-14 07:55 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 10:58 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 14:36 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 11:03 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-14 19:28 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-14 08:17 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-15 00:26 +0300
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-15 11:55 +0300
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-16 04:24 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-16 07:19 -0700
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-16 18:17 +0300
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-17 05:43 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-17 18:01 +0300
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-19 00:39 +0300
                                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-19 06:00 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-11-08 18:38 +0300
                                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-11-08 22:03 -0800
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-12 18:49 -0400
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-13 00:25 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-12 23:44 -0400
                                                                                Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-12 13:45 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-13 19:05 -0400
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-12 13:16 -0700
                                                                                Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-13 00:12 +0100
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-13 14:18 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-13 23:10 +0100
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-14 23:52 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-15 11:48 -0400
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-15 18:14 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-15 20:31 +0300
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-15 20:11 +0100
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-15 20:34 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-15 22:05 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-15 13:27 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-16 10:11 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-16 12:42 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-16 04:02 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-17 05:51 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-18 10:18 -0400
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-18 12:05 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-23 05:42 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-23 05:02 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2019-10-14 15:32 +0000
                                                                      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-14 08:57 -0700
                                                                        Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 10:13 -0700
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 23:59 +0300
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-17 06:08 -0700
                                                              Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-10 01:20 -0700
                                                                Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-10 20:15 -0400
                                                                  Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-11 04:00 -0700
                                                                    Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-11 07:53 -0400
                                                                    Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-11 11:20 -0400
                                                                      Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-11 11:16 -0700
                                                                        Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-11 14:43 -0400
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-11 11:51 -0700
                                                                        Re: Sort char array raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2019-10-12 07:46 +0000
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-12 09:49 -0400
                                                                        Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-12 12:29 +0200
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-12 12:20 +0100
                                                                            Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-12 13:38 +0200
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-12 12:17 -0700
                                                                            Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-12 20:20 -0400
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-12 20:39 -0700
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-13 21:32 +0300
                                                                                Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-14 07:38 -0400
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-14 08:13 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-15 07:45 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2019-10-15 05:12 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-15 13:04 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-17 10:14 -0700
                                                                            Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-15 12:24 -0400
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-16 04:12 -0700
                                                                                Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-16 14:21 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-16 19:12 -0400
                                                                                    Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-16 16:33 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-16 19:48 -0400
                                                                                      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-18 06:57 -0700
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-13 21:22 +0300
                                                      Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 01:02 +0300
                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-07 17:01 +0200
                                  Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-07 12:24 +0200
                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 12:18 +0100
                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-07 14:11 +0200
                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 15:22 +0100
                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-07 17:17 +0200
                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-07 20:52 +0100
                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 00:45 +0300
                                                Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-07 15:57 -0700
                                                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 02:32 +0300
                                                    Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 10:06 +0200
                                                    Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-08 03:21 -0700
                                                      Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 00:34 +0300
                                                Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 11:23 +0200
                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 09:59 +0200
                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-08 11:39 +0100
                                                  Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 14:05 +0200
                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-08 15:06 +0100
                                                      Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-08 14:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 17:34 +0200
                                                          Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-08 16:38 +0000
                                                      Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 07:55 -0700
                                                        Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-08 18:31 +0300
                                                          Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-08 16:39 +0000
                                                            Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-08 19:57 +0300
                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-08 18:09 +0100
                                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 22:16 +0200
                                                                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 23:58 +0300
                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-08 22:19 +0100
                                                        Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 17:39 +0200
                                                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 00:12 +0300
                                                          Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-09 09:48 -0700
                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 19:49 +0100
                                                      Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 17:29 +0200
                                                        Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-08 17:56 +0100
                                                          Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-08 22:25 +0200
                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 00:02 +0100
                                                              Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 13:41 +0200
                                                                Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 14:03 +0100
                                                                  Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-09 15:53 +0200
                                                                    Re: Sort char array scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2019-10-09 14:39 +0000
                                                                    Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 15:58 +0100
                                                                  Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-10 22:43 +0100
                                                                    Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 01:45 +0300
                                                                      Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-11 01:00 +0100
                                                                        Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-12 12:01 -0400
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-12 20:35 +0100
                                                                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-13 21:17 +0300
                                                                            Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-14 07:45 -0400
                                                                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-14 14:53 +0300
                                                          Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 02:02 -0700
                                                            Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-09 10:36 +0100
                                          Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-07 09:05 -0700
                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-07 08:59 -0700
                                  Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-07 09:00 -0700
                                  Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-07 17:02 +0100
                      Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-06 19:57 -0400
                      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-09 06:38 -0700
          Re: Sort char array Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-10-05 17:14 +0100
          Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-05 13:06 -0400
            Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 02:24 -0700
            Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 05:13 -0700
              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 16:04 +0300
                Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 07:13 -0700
              Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-06 18:23 -0400
        Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 15:41 +0300
          Re: Sort char array Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2019-10-06 12:46 -0700
            Re: Sort char array Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2019-10-07 04:00 +0800
            Re: Sort char array David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-10-07 09:46 +0200
          Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-07 22:49 -0400
            Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-08 12:24 +0300
              Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-08 09:28 -0400
                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 23:49 +0300
                  Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-08 18:18 -0400
            Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-08 03:34 -0700
              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-08 14:36 +0300
                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-08 15:34 +0300
                Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-08 05:54 -0700
                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-08 16:01 +0300
                    Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-08 06:31 -0700
                      Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 00:30 +0300
                        Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-09 10:14 -0700
                  Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-08 06:26 -0700
      Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-05 02:46 +0100
      Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-05 00:19 -0400
        Re: Sort char array Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2019-10-04 22:26 -0700
          Re: OT Re: Sort char array Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@delq.com> - 2019-10-05 06:33 -0700
      Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-05 16:46 +0200
    Re: Sort char array "Oliver S." <Follow.Me@gmx.net> - 2019-10-05 16:54 +0200
      Re: Sort char array "Oliver S." <Follow.Me@gmx.net> - 2019-10-05 17:14 +0200
        Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-05 11:34 -0400
          Re: Sort char array Mateusz Viste <mateusz@wont.tell> - 2019-10-05 15:43 +0000
            Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-05 17:29 -0400
            Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 02:14 -0700
              Re: Sort char array Mateusz Viste <mateusz@wont.tell> - 2019-10-06 09:58 +0000
                Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 03:11 -0700
                  Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 03:35 -0700
                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 15:57 +0300
                Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-06 16:12 +0100
                  Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-09 02:06 -0700
            Re: Sort char array Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 07:28 -0700
              Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-07 17:51 +0100
                Re: Sort char array Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2019-10-08 18:31 +0800
                  Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-08 03:59 -0700
                    Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-09 02:14 -0700
                  Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-08 14:34 +0300
                    Re: Sort char array Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2019-10-08 22:41 +0800
        Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 02:03 -0700
          Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 13:25 +0200
            Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 15:45 +0300
              Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 14:59 +0200
                Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 16:11 +0300
                  Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 15:15 +0200
                    Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 16:20 +0300
                      Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 15:35 +0200
                      Re: Sort char array Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2019-10-06 13:04 -0400
            Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 08:44 -0700
              Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 18:01 +0200
                Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-06 09:42 -0700
                  Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-06 19:21 +0200
                    Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-06 21:51 +0100
                      Re: Sort char array Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 04:41 +0200
                        Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-07 16:45 +0100
                          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2019-10-07 19:11 +0300
                            Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-07 21:10 +0100
                              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 00:43 +0300
                          Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-07 15:51 -0400
              Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-09 01:48 -0700
    Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-07 00:42 -0400
    Re: Sort char array John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 16:05 -0700
      Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-07 20:06 -0400
        Re: Sort char array John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 08:34 -0700
      Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-08 01:09 +0100
        Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-07 20:12 -0400
          Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-08 01:44 +0100
            Re: Sort char array DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2019-10-07 22:02 -0400
              Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-08 03:24 +0100
        Re: Sort char array Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-10-09 01:42 +0100
          Re: Sort char array John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 11:14 -0700
            Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 00:52 +0300
        Re: Sort char array John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 08:20 -0700
          Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 00:20 +0300
            Re: Sort char array James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-10-08 18:48 -0400
              Re: Sort char array Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 02:07 +0300
          Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-09 02:29 -0700
            Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-09 09:43 -0700
          Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-09 09:37 -0700
      Re: Sort char array Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2019-10-09 02:22 -0700
    Re: Sort char array already5chosen@yahoo.com - 2019-10-15 11:19 -0700

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#146942 — Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2019-10-14 13:36 +0000
SubjectRe: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)
Message-ID<9R_oF.51672$SW2.38929@fx24.iad>
In reply to#146935
mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
>On Monday, 14 October 2019 11:34:58 UTC+1, Malcolm McLean  wrote:
>
>> C decided that there would be no input output statements, only functions,
>> which were implemented either in non-portable C or in assembly. 
>> However that was an unusual design decision at the time.
>
>I'm not convinced it was that unusual. I worked for Prime Computer in the
>early '80s and the operating system and utilties (dating back to the early
>'70s) were written in a mixture of Assembler, Fortran (yes, really) and 
>2 PL/1 derivatives (PL/P and SPL), and as far as I remember all I/O was
>done via function calls - certainly neither PL/1 variant had any language
>I/O support.

Which was rare in the day;  compare with Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, etc.

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#146944 — Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)

FromLew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca>
Date2019-10-14 09:49 -0400
SubjectRe: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)
Message-ID<qo1ucd$a9q$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#146942
Scott Lurndal wrote:

> mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
>>On Monday, 14 October 2019 11:34:58 UTC+1, Malcolm McLean  wrote:
>>
>>> C decided that there would be no input output statements, only
>>> functions, which were implemented either in non-portable C or in
>>> assembly. However that was an unusual design decision at the time.
>>
>>I'm not convinced it was that unusual. I worked for Prime Computer in the
>>early '80s and the operating system and utilties (dating back to the early
>>'70s) were written in a mixture of Assembler, Fortran (yes, really) and
>>2 PL/1 derivatives (PL/P and SPL), and as far as I remember all I/O was
>>done via function calls - certainly neither PL/1 variant had any language
>>I/O support.
> 
> Which was rare in the day;  compare with Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, etc.

PL/I had the "GET" and "PUT" keywords, so Mark's experience may have been 
site-related. Most (afaict, all) contemporary high-level languages had I/O 
facilities built into the language structure as well: add to the list RPG 
and APL.


-- 
Lew Pitcher
"In Skills, We Trust"

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#146946 — Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)

Frommark.bluemel@gmail.com
Date2019-10-14 07:15 -0700
SubjectRe: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)
Message-ID<2a8c26a6-0746-45ff-9254-52d19a3378df@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#146944
On Monday, 14 October 2019 14:49:11 UTC+1, Lew Pitcher  wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
> 
> > mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
> >>On Monday, 14 October 2019 11:34:58 UTC+1, Malcolm McLean  wrote:
> >>
> >>> C decided that there would be no input output statements, only
> >>> functions, which were implemented either in non-portable C or in
> >>> assembly. However that was an unusual design decision at the time.
> >>
> >>I'm not convinced it was that unusual. I worked for Prime Computer in the
> >>early '80s and the operating system and utilties (dating back to the early
> >>'70s) were written in a mixture of Assembler, Fortran (yes, really) and
> >>2 PL/1 derivatives (PL/P and SPL), and as far as I remember all I/O was
> >>done via function calls - certainly neither PL/1 variant had any language
> >>I/O support.
> > 
> > Which was rare in the day;  compare with Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, etc.
> 
> PL/I had the "GET" and "PUT" keywords, so Mark's experience may have been 
> site-related. Most (afaict, all) contemporary high-level languages had I/O 
> facilities built into the language structure as well: add to the list RPG 
> and APL.

SPL and PL/P were the Prime internal systems programming languages, which
explicitly had no native language I/O. Both were PL/1 derived, with SPL
closely resembling PL/1G but (to repeat and emphasise) without I/O support
as part of the language. PL/P was similar, but more limited.

My point is that in the same sort of timeframe as Unix and C, another 
operating system was being implemented using compiled languages, rather
than assembler, and with I/O being implemented purely by function calls.

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#146949 — Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2019-10-14 14:55 +0000
SubjectRe: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)
Message-ID<T%%oF.21115$HU2.18409@fx26.iad>
In reply to#146946
mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
>On Monday, 14 October 2019 14:49:11 UTC+1, Lew Pitcher  wrote:
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> 
>> > mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
>> >>On Monday, 14 October 2019 11:34:58 UTC+1, Malcolm McLean  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> C decided that there would be no input output statements, only
>> >>> functions, which were implemented either in non-portable C or in
>> >>> assembly. However that was an unusual design decision at the time.
>> >>
>> >>I'm not convinced it was that unusual. I worked for Prime Computer in the
>> >>early '80s and the operating system and utilties (dating back to the early
>> >>'70s) were written in a mixture of Assembler, Fortran (yes, really) and
>> >>2 PL/1 derivatives (PL/P and SPL), and as far as I remember all I/O was
>> >>done via function calls - certainly neither PL/1 variant had any language
>> >>I/O support.
>> > 
>> > Which was rare in the day;  compare with Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, etc.
>> 
>> PL/I had the "GET" and "PUT" keywords, so Mark's experience may have been 
>> site-related. Most (afaict, all) contemporary high-level languages had I/O 
>> facilities built into the language structure as well: add to the list RPG 
>> and APL.
>
>SPL and PL/P were the Prime internal systems programming languages, which
>explicitly had no native language I/O. Both were PL/1 derived, with SPL
>closely resembling PL/1G but (to repeat and emphasise) without I/O support
>as part of the language. PL/P was similar, but more limited.
>
>My point is that in the same sort of timeframe as Unix and C, another 
>operating system was being implemented using compiled languages, rather
>than assembler, and with I/O being implemented purely by function calls.

The Burroughs Large systems mainframe operating system had been written in high level
languages (Algol derivitives) from the mid 1960s, FWIW.   The Medium systems
mainframe MCP was written in a high-level modula-like language called SPRITE
from the early 1980's.

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#146951 — Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)

Frommark.bluemel@gmail.com
Date2019-10-14 08:10 -0700
SubjectRe: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)
Message-ID<a60449cc-33b6-44d2-9ac6-895464a18ca0@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#146949
On Monday, 14 October 2019 15:55:54 UTC+1, Scott Lurndal  wrote:
> mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
> >On Monday, 14 October 2019 14:49:11 UTC+1, Lew Pitcher  wrote:
> >> Scott Lurndal wrote:
> >> 
> >> > mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
> >> >>On Monday, 14 October 2019 11:34:58 UTC+1, Malcolm McLean  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> C decided that there would be no input output statements, only
> >> >>> functions, which were implemented either in non-portable C or in
> >> >>> assembly. However that was an unusual design decision at the time.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm not convinced it was that unusual. I worked for Prime Computer in the
> >> >>early '80s and the operating system and utilties (dating back to the early
> >> >>'70s) were written in a mixture of Assembler, Fortran (yes, really) and
> >> >>2 PL/1 derivatives (PL/P and SPL), and as far as I remember all I/O was
> >> >>done via function calls - certainly neither PL/1 variant had any language
> >> >>I/O support.
> >> > 
> >> > Which was rare in the day;  compare with Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, etc.
> >> 
> >> PL/I had the "GET" and "PUT" keywords, so Mark's experience may have been 
> >> site-related. Most (afaict, all) contemporary high-level languages had I/O 
> >> facilities built into the language structure as well: add to the list RPG 
> >> and APL.
> >
> >SPL and PL/P were the Prime internal systems programming languages, which
> >explicitly had no native language I/O. Both were PL/1 derived, with SPL
> >closely resembling PL/1G but (to repeat and emphasise) without I/O support
> >as part of the language. PL/P was similar, but more limited.
> >
> >My point is that in the same sort of timeframe as Unix and C, another 
> >operating system was being implemented using compiled languages, rather
> >than assembler, and with I/O being implemented purely by function calls.
> 
> The Burroughs Large systems mainframe operating system had been written in high level
> languages (Algol derivitives) from the mid 1960s, FWIW.   The Medium systems
> mainframe MCP was written in a high-level modula-like language called SPRITE
> from the early 1980's.

Thanks for that, Scott. Interesting.

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#146959 — Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2019-10-14 16:21 +0000
SubjectRe: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)
Message-ID<sg1pF.6996$xZ1.563@fx30.iad>
In reply to#146951
mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
>On Monday, 14 October 2019 15:55:54 UTC+1, Scott Lurndal  wrote:
>> mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
>> >On Monday, 14 October 2019 14:49:11 UTC+1, Lew Pitcher  wrote:
>> >> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > mark.bluemel@gmail.com writes:
>> >> >>On Monday, 14 October 2019 11:34:58 UTC+1, Malcolm McLean  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> C decided that there would be no input output statements, only
>> >> >>> functions, which were implemented either in non-portable C or in
>> >> >>> assembly. However that was an unusual design decision at the time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I'm not convinced it was that unusual. I worked for Prime Computer in the
>> >> >>early '80s and the operating system and utilties (dating back to the early
>> >> >>'70s) were written in a mixture of Assembler, Fortran (yes, really) and
>> >> >>2 PL/1 derivatives (PL/P and SPL), and as far as I remember all I/O was
>> >> >>done via function calls - certainly neither PL/1 variant had any language
>> >> >>I/O support.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Which was rare in the day;  compare with Fortran, COBOL, Pascal, etc.
>> >> 
>> >> PL/I had the "GET" and "PUT" keywords, so Mark's experience may have been 
>> >> site-related. Most (afaict, all) contemporary high-level languages had I/O 
>> >> facilities built into the language structure as well: add to the list RPG 
>> >> and APL.
>> >
>> >SPL and PL/P were the Prime internal systems programming languages, which
>> >explicitly had no native language I/O. Both were PL/1 derived, with SPL
>> >closely resembling PL/1G but (to repeat and emphasise) without I/O support
>> >as part of the language. PL/P was similar, but more limited.
>> >
>> >My point is that in the same sort of timeframe as Unix and C, another 
>> >operating system was being implemented using compiled languages, rather
>> >than assembler, and with I/O being implemented purely by function calls.
>> 
>> The Burroughs Large systems mainframe operating system had been written in high level
>> languages (Algol derivitives) from the mid 1960s, FWIW.   The Medium systems
>> mainframe MCP was written in a high-level modula-like language called SPRITE
>> from the early 1980's.
>
>Thanks for that, Scott. Interesting.

Sure. And we must not leave out the HP-3000 Multiprogramming Executive (MPE)
which was written in the high-level language SPL, which allowed direct access
to the stack (and inline assembly).

The Burroughs medium systems COBOL68 compiler also allowed inline assembly
(ENTER SYMBOLIC).

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#146960 — Re: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)

FromSiri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
Date2019-10-14 09:25 -0700
SubjectRe: Lack of language I/O support (was Re: Sort char array, many posts ago)
Message-ID<chine.bleu-654D87.09255014102019@reader.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#146951
In article <a60449cc-33b6-44d2-9ac6-895464a18ca0@googlegroups.com>,
 mark.bluemel@gmail.com wrote:

> > The Burroughs Large systems mainframe operating system had been written in 
> > high level
> > languages (Algol derivitives) from the mid 1960s, FWIW.   The Medium 
> > systems
> > mainframe MCP was written in a high-level modula-like language called 
> > SPRITE
> > from the early 1980's.
> 
> Thanks for that, Scott. Interesting.

Algol 60/61 had no I/O, not even functions. Algol 68 had standardised I/O 
functions which used a bit of magic for the argument list.

Two of the first proposed Algol I/O functions where insymbol and outsymbol:

    integer character offset := insymbol(file, string);

        The next symbol in file is read. The symbol is located in
        the string and its offet returned.

    outsymbol(file, string, i)

        Output the ith symbol of string.

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#146939

FromAnton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com>
Date2019-10-14 14:57 +0300
Message-ID<20191014145756.4f3380a33eb71c4ff3d784a7@g{oogle}mail.com>
In reply to#146934
Malcolm McLean to Anton Shepelev:

>>True, but in my opinion the functions of a programming
>>language are best implemented in this language.
>
>C decided that there would be no input output statements,
>only functions,->

A good decision that allows for better decoupling.

>-> which were implemented either in non-portable C or in
>assembly.  However that was an unusual design decision at
>the time.
>
>The formatting of output isn't output itself, of course,
>but it is closely tied to it.

I think that formatting belongs to generic string
manipulations, well implementable in a portable manner.

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#146954

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2019-10-14 08:24 -0700
Message-ID<86eezf73ky.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#146930
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:

> [on implementing type-safe variadic arguments, for things like printf]
>
> No doubt Tim Rentsch would be able to wangle some solution, but [...]

One difference between Bart and myself is that I am driven
to solve problems whereas Bart is driven to create them.

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#146956

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2019-10-14 16:40 +0100
Message-ID<8G0pF.3194187$c8w1.2042004@fx08.am4>
In reply to#146954
On 14/10/2019 16:24, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>> [on implementing type-safe variadic arguments, for things like printf]
>>
>> No doubt Tim Rentsch would be able to wangle some solution, but [...]
> 
> One difference between Bart and myself is that I am driven
> to solve problems whereas Bart is driven to create them.
> 

I prefer aesthetically pleasing solutions. Especially if they impact on 
user-code.

And, of course, easy ones.

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#146947

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2019-10-14 16:17 +0200
Message-ID<qo201q$mmp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#146929
On 14/10/2019 11:16, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Bart:
> 
>> If compilers can warn about incorrect formats, then why
>> can't just insert the correct ones?
> 
> Because that would be, as in your example, implementing a
> funciton in the compiler rather than in the language being
> compiled.
> 
It would also cause trouble for things like international code where the
printf (or printf-like functions) format strings get looked up in a list
of translations.

I think the warning is a lot safer than having the compiler try to
change the code on the fly.

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#146977

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2019-10-14 23:45 +0100
Message-ID<87imor3q0i.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#146947
David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:

> On 14/10/2019 11:16, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>> Bart:
>> 
>>> If compilers can warn about incorrect formats, then why
>>> can't just insert the correct ones?
>> 
>> Because that would be, as in your example, implementing a
>> funciton in the compiler rather than in the language being
>> compiled.
>> 
> It would also cause trouble for things like international code where the
> printf (or printf-like functions) format strings get looked up in a list
> of translations.
>
> I think the warning is a lot safer than having the compiler try to
> change the code on the fly.

Changing the string seems like a hack to me.  I'd alter printf to allow
a type indicator to be passed so that

  printf("%d %? %c\n", a, b, c);

becomes the call

  printf("%d %? %c\n", a, _PTYPE_INT, b, c);

with the type indicator being added by the compiler.  For a quick
version, the type indicator could be the conversion specifier ('d' in
this case).

-- 
Ben.

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#146978

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2019-10-15 00:03 +0100
Message-ID<s97pF.850641$RU2.257719@fx21.am4>
In reply to#146977
On 14/10/2019 23:45, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> writes:
> 
>> On 14/10/2019 11:16, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>> Bart:
>>>
>>>> If compilers can warn about incorrect formats, then why
>>>> can't just insert the correct ones?
>>>
>>> Because that would be, as in your example, implementing a
>>> funciton in the compiler rather than in the language being
>>> compiled.
>>>
>> It would also cause trouble for things like international code where the
>> printf (or printf-like functions) format strings get looked up in a list
>> of translations.
>>
>> I think the warning is a lot safer than having the compiler try to
>> change the code on the fly.
> 
> Changing the string seems like a hack to me.  I'd alter printf to allow
> a type indicator to be passed so that
> 
>    printf("%d %? %c\n", a, b, c);
> 
> becomes the call
> 
>    printf("%d %? %c\n", a, _PTYPE_INT, b, c);
> 
> with the type indicator being added by the compiler.  For a quick
> version, the type indicator could be the conversion specifier ('d' in
> this case).

The string isn't changed; it's replaced, as the first argument, by a new 
one. So it's not much different from your proposal, which inserts a new 
argument.

Some issues with it:

* The format string still needs to be visible

* The __PTYPE_INT indicator enumerations have to be known to both the 
compiler, and the library that implements printf

* If using "%d" in place of _PTYPE_INT, then it makes it little 
different from my proposal, but requires pushing and retrieving more 
arguments

* If used with a printf that does not recognise %?, then the __PTYPE_INT 
in the argument will be output by the next conventional format code. If 
this is %s, then it will go badly wrong. (With %d, it will just print 
%d.) This applies also to any functions that try to interpret format codes.

To summarise, my proposal involved replacing the first format string 
with a new one by the compiler, but could work with existing printf 
implementations with no changes.

It would only go badly wrong, other than printing the wrong stuff, if a 
char* value was passed that didn't point to a zero-terminated string. 
But that would happen with %s too.


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#146940

FromThiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-14 05:30 -0700
Message-ID<5d77c8a4-2179-4c6c-93ec-40eb9993924b@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#146928
On Sunday, October 13, 2019 at 9:51:37 PM UTC-3, Bart wrote:
...
> I've just done a 30-minute experiment on my compiler to see how 
> practical it was, using a new "%?" format which adapts to the actual 
> type. With this program:
> 
>      #include <stdio.h>
> 
>      int a = 100;
>      double b = 92.54;
>      char *c = "hello";
> 
>      int main(void) {
>          printf("A=%? B=%? C=%?", a, b, c);
>      }
> 

This is something I also could do I my C preprocessor. The way
languages are doing nowadays is simpler than that.


      #include <stdio.h>
 
      int a = 100;
      double b = 92.54;
      char *c = "hello";
 
      int main(void) {
          printf($"A={a} B={b} C={c}");
      }

and the preprocessor will expand $"A={a}? B={b}? C={c}?"
in to parts.

printf("A=%d B=%f C=%s" , a, b, c);

 

References for other languages:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Template_literals

https://docs.microsoft.com/pt-br/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/tokens/interpolated




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#146941

FromAnton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com>
Date2019-10-14 16:05 +0300
Message-ID<20191014160503.233cf403a06f16d35f284e9a@g{oogle}mail.com>
In reply to#146940
Thiago Adams:

>The way
>languages are doing nowadays is simpler than that.
>
>
>      #include <stdio.h>
>
>      int a = 100;
>      double b = 92.54;
>      char *c = "hello";
>
>      int main(void) {
>          printf($"A={a} B={b} C={c}");
>      }

String interpolation is again an extra-linguistic mechanism
not expressible in terms of operations on typed variables.
Futhermore, it has a limited utility because the format
string cannot be reused, but I think people would appreciate
a type-aware printf even in the form of a preprocessor mechanism.

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#146948

FromTim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Date2019-10-14 07:55 -0700
Message-ID<86v9sr74xd.fsf@linuxsc.com>
In reply to#146941
Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> writes:

> [...] I think people would appreciate a type-aware printf even
> in the form of a preprocessor mechanism.

Why don't you try writing one, in standard C11 using the
existing C preprocessor?  See how far you can get.

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#146963

FromThiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-14 10:58 -0700
Message-ID<c51d89ac-b8d4-4f60-adca-54e8dbb67922@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#146941
On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 10:05:13 AM UTC-3, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Thiago Adams:
> 
> >The way
> >languages are doing nowadays is simpler than that.
> >
> >
> >      #include <stdio.h>
> >
> >      int a = 100;
> >      double b = 92.54;
> >      char *c = "hello";
> >
> >      int main(void) {
> >          printf($"A={a} B={b} C={c}");
> >      }
> 
> String interpolation is again an extra-linguistic mechanism
> not expressible in terms of operations on typed variables.
> Futhermore, it has a limited utility because the format
> string cannot be reused, but I think people would appreciate
> a type-aware printf even in the form of a preprocessor mechanism.

I think the mechanism can be optional and even mixed, giving 
an option to add extra information.

(String interpolation in javascript creates a new string dynamically,
and for this C feature I would create two arguments statically
to be used in printf -like functions.
)

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#146943

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2019-10-14 14:36 +0100
Message-ID<xR_oF.785868$3x5.370003@fx14.am4>
In reply to#146940
On 14/10/2019 13:30, Thiago Adams wrote:
> On Sunday, October 13, 2019 at 9:51:37 PM UTC-3, Bart wrote:
> ...
>> I've just done a 30-minute experiment on my compiler to see how
>> practical it was, using a new "%?" format which adapts to the actual
>> type. With this program:
>>
>>       #include <stdio.h>
>>
>>       int a = 100;
>>       double b = 92.54;
>>       char *c = "hello";
>>
>>       int main(void) {
>>           printf("A=%? B=%? C=%?", a, b, c);
>>       }
>>
> 
> This is something I also could do I my C preprocessor.

This is your special preprocessor, rather that C's one?

Because I don't think then CPP is capable of providing an acceptable 
solution.


> The way
> languages are doing nowadays is simpler than that.

>        int main(void) {
>            printf($"A={a} B={b} C={c}");
>        }
> 
> and the preprocessor will expand $"A={a}? B={b}? C={c}?"
> in to parts.
> 
> printf("A=%d B=%f C=%s" , a, b, c);

In my language this doesn't even need a format string:

    print =a, =b, =c

I'm not sure how much simpler it can get.

The '=' inserts a constant string (eg. "A=", "B=") in front of each 
expression.

(This can be added to my C experiment, eg. as "%=?", but requires 
expression stringify, which is a tricky add-on if it doesn't already 
exist. But if I do it (a 5-minute job for this test), then the printf 
call in my example becomes:

     printf("%=? %=? %=?", a, b, c);

The format string now becomes reusable, but more importantly does not 
need maintaining if the expressions being printed change. However the 
expression-to-string conversion needs to be done properly, and in C 
terms. Because if I do this now:

     printf("%=?", a+b);

The output is:

     (DOUBLE(A)+B)=192.540000

in my language's syntax, and including any implicit conversions. But it 
will suffice for debugging which is what "=" is used for mainly.)

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#146964

FromThiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com>
Date2019-10-14 11:03 -0700
Message-ID<e1845c86-b020-4440-a83f-8e25323c22c2@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#146943
On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 10:36:37 AM UTC-3, Bart wrote:
> On 14/10/2019 13:30, Thiago Adams wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 13, 2019 at 9:51:37 PM UTC-3, Bart wrote:
> > ...
> >> I've just done a 30-minute experiment on my compiler to see how
> >> practical it was, using a new "%?" format which adapts to the actual
> >> type. With this program:
> >>
> >>       #include <stdio.h>
> >>
> >>       int a = 100;
> >>       double b = 92.54;
> >>       char *c = "hello";
> >>
> >>       int main(void) {
> >>           printf("A=%? B=%? C=%?", a, b, c);
> >>       }
> >>
> > 
> > This is something I also could do I my C preprocessor.
> 
> This is your special preprocessor, rather that C's one?

Yes. But I haven't implemented it yet. I just had considered
this implementation. 

(
and C++ RAW strings 
 https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/string_literal
)



> Because I don't think then CPP is capable of providing an acceptable 
> solution.
Yes.

> 
> > The way
> > languages are doing nowadays is simpler than that.
> 
> >        int main(void) {
> >            printf($"A={a} B={b} C={c}");
> >        }
> > 
> > and the preprocessor will expand $"A={a}? B={b}? C={c}?"
> > in to parts.
> > 
> > printf("A=%d B=%f C=%s" , a, b, c);
> 
> In my language this doesn't even need a format string:
> 
>     print =a, =b, =c
> 
> I'm not sure how much simpler it can get.
> 
> The '=' inserts a constant string (eg. "A=", "B=") in front of each 
> expression.
> 
> (This can be added to my C experiment, eg. as "%=?", but requires 
> expression stringify, which is a tricky add-on if it doesn't already 
> exist. But if I do it (a 5-minute job for this test), then the printf 
> call in my example becomes:
> 
>      printf("%=? %=? %=?", a, b, c);
> 
> The format string now becomes reusable, but more importantly does not 
> need maintaining if the expressions being printed change. However the 
> expression-to-string conversion needs to be done properly, and in C 
> terms. Because if I do this now:
> 
>      printf("%=?", a+b);
> 
> The output is:
> 
>      (DOUBLE(A)+B)=192.540000
> 
> in my language's syntax, and including any implicit conversions. But it 
> will suffice for debugging which is what "=" is used for mainly.)

The other feature missing feature in printf is a custom callback

printf("%callback", MyPrint, pMyStruct);

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#146966

FromBart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2019-10-14 19:28 +0100
Message-ID<j73pF.908451$ir6.454978@fx16.am4>
In reply to#146964
On 14/10/2019 19:03, Thiago Adams wrote:

> The other feature missing feature in printf is a custom callback
> 
> printf("%callback", MyPrint, pMyStruct);

Well, %c can't be used here, as that is a valid format spec.

But I think a C implementation of such a thing has been done by Tim 
Rentsch. Look for articles about 'printx'.


At a somewhat higher level, a language would be looking for a 'tostring' 
operation on each argument to its print function. This would be 
overloaded for basic types of the language (what we've been trying to do 
with printf), and for user callbacks, that could also be another 
language-supplied mechanism.

It doesn't need to be full OOP, just a way to associated a user-function 
taking with a specification combination of 'tostring' with a type.

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