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  Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 05:01 -0700
    Re: Saving (not files) jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-07-08 14:49 +0200
      Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 06:49 -0700
    Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 07:06 -0700
    Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 08:27 -0700
      Re: Saving (not files) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 09:04 -0700
        Re: Saving (not files) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 17:07 +0100
          Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 09:17 -0700
            Re: Saving (not files) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 17:37 +0100
              Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 09:49 -0700
                Re: Saving (not files) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 18:01 +0100
              Re: Saving (not files) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 13:00 -0400
                Re: Saving (not files) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 18:08 +0100
                  Re: Saving (not files) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-07-08 19:11 +0200
                  Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 10:13 -0700
                    Re: Saving (not files) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-08 18:23 +0100
                Re: Saving (not files) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-08 21:09 +0100
                  Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 13:13 -0700
                  Re: Saving (not files) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-07-08 16:35 -0400
                    Re: Saving (not files) Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-07-08 22:54 +0200
                    Re: Saving (not files) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-07-08 21:57 +0100
                      Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 02:18 -0700
                  Re: Saving (not files) Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2015-07-09 15:17 +0200
          Re: Saving (not files) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 09:38 -0700
        Re: Saving (not files) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-07-08 16:23 +0000
    Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 07:17 -0700
      Re: Saving (not files) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-07-09 15:44 +0100
    Re: Saving (not files) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-07-09 08:00 -0700

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#64903 — Saving (not files)

Why must you be "saved"? Saved from what? What does it
mean to be "saved"?

Judgement from God looms over each of us. He judges based on
His standards, His Laws. His is a requirement of perfection. And
none of us are perfect.

God will judge everybody when they die. And everyone will be
found guilty.

If that was the end of the story, it would be awful. But it's not
the end. This is where Jesus came in. To save us from judgement,
God sent another in our place. God transfers our sin to Him, so
that He is judged, and we are not.

Jesus literally came here to save us. His name means "God who
saves" (in the same way Shoemaker means "one who makes shoes).

God did not leave us abandoned to judgement, but made a way
out. He made a way to restore us from sin, to save us from
judgement.

Jesus is that way. The only way to be saved because He's the
only one who can take our sin away. And He will receive all who
come to Him. None are turned away. No not one.

As such, the only people who will enter into Hell are those who
would not receive the free gift of salvation, the free offer of love
extended to all mankind. All races, colors, creeds. No exceptions. But you must receive it. You must ask to
be forgiven.

Seek Jesus for yourself. Taste and see for yourself that
the Lord Jesus Christ is good. He will change your life... forever.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64906

Le 08/07/2015 14:01, Rick C. Hodgin a écrit :
> God will judge everybody when they die. And everyone will be
> found guilty.

Amen.

I will go to hell then, where the boss is much more liberal.

There I will meet all beautiful women. The ugly ones, the virgins that 
never made it, will be in heaven and we will be left in peace.

Central heating, no priests, no religion, no god, angels and all that 
paraphernalia, hell has a warm fuzzy feeling.

Wellcome to hell Rick, I know you will enjoy it!

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#64908

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 8:49:49 AM UTC-4, jacobnavia wrote:
> [snip]

He will forgive you too, Jacob, if you'll ask Him.  It's why He
came.  The first time He came to save people.  The second time
He's coming to judge, and to damn.

Today He gives people the opportunity to be saved.  When He
comes tomorrow, it is over for all time, all of eternity.

Seek Him while it is still called "today".

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64909

God doesn't want to judge anybody.  His Son's sacrifice at the cross
was sufficient to save all people.  What God is judging is sin.  And
all who embrace sin (falseness), and do not embrace truth, are those
who are being judged.

Jesus became sin for us so that He is judged by God, with the
punishment we deserve poured out on Him in our place.

Judgement is upon this world, upon sin, and all who do not escape that
judgement will be cast into the lake of fire forever.  It is the proper
punishment for eternal beings made in the very image and likeness of
God.

How would the universe be with super-powerful beings going around in
sin, wickedness, doing for themselves what they wish without regard
to what's right?  Look at what's happened here on this one Earth with
sin leading men's ways.

God is right, true, proper.  His ways are harmonious to all of creation
everywhere... except where He gave a choice.  In those places where He
gave a choice, the opportunity for sin existed, and sin entered in by
the choices made.

God still made a way out, a way of forgiveness for all who will hear
Him, seek the truth, come out, and be saved.  For the rest, only the
eternal punishment of flames awaits, to keep that evil contained from
an eternal God, and His eternal beings created to be with Him in
eternity.

Jesus forgives.  He saves.  He restored.  He is life.  All who reject
Him reject life, and will enter in to Death (with an upper-case D, for
it is the final death -- not just the death of our physical bodies,
but the death of our soul in Hell).

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64910

Why do I post these things?  Because I care about you.  I care about
your future.  Your Life (upper-case L).  I want you to prosper with
great gain, and to be alive forever in the paradise of God.

There is an enemy of God operating in this world.  He is Satan.  And
he has no such aspirations for your life.  He is content to let you
believe whatever you want to believe until the day you die because
he knows that there is real salvation in Jesus Christ, in His
forgiveness, from His death at the cross.

Satan has already been judged.  His fate is sealed.  And he wants to
take as many of us with him as he can.  But none of us need go there.
Jesus alone made the way out.  He invites everyone to come and be
saved by His sacrifice.  His Death in place of your Death.

Jesus will give you new life, restoring you to eternal life.  You
will be changed from the inside out, and never the same again.  When
Jesus saves someone, the old passes away, the new is come, and your
very inner makeup changes.  You begin to see life in a new way.  As
they come up, the things of your past are all re-examined and you
see them now truly for what they were, and are.  And your life is
transformed away from the enemy's ways, and into God's ways.  It is
the renewing spirit living in you that does this, God's Holy Spirit,
which is Life, and Truth, and leads all men only to life and truth.

I write these messages because it is He who loves you more than
anyone.  His love lives inside me, and I love you also.  I write to
you so that you may also be where He is for all eternity.  So that
the prospering He has in mind for you can come to fruition in your
Life, rather than to be lost in your Death.

You can ask Him from wherever you are to save you.  It only takes
the acknowledgement that you are a sinner in need of forgiveness,
and then asking Him to forgive you.

He knows your heart, the truth of your request.  When you seek Him
truly, in truth, pursuing truth, honestly, without falseness, even
if you're not 100% sure if it's for real, but you are still really
wanting to pursue the truth, then He knows your real intent, and
when you approach Him in that way, He receives you.

It is well worth the price of admission.  In fact, for what you get
in return, it's absolutely astounding.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64916

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 8:28:20 AM UTC-7, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> Why do I post these things?  Because I care about you.  I care about
> your future.  Your Life (upper-case L).  I want you to prosper with
> great gain, and to be alive forever in the paradise of God.
> 
> There is an enemy of God operating in this world.  He is Satan.  And
> he has no such aspirations for your life.  He is content to let you
> believe whatever you want to believe until the day you die because
> he knows that there is real salvation in Jesus Christ, in His
> forgiveness, from His death at the cross.
> 
> Satan has already been judged.  His fate is sealed.  And he wants to
> take as many of us with him as he can.  But none of us need go there.
> Jesus alone made the way out.  He invites everyone to come and be
> saved by His sacrifice.  His Death in place of your Death.
> 
> Jesus will give you new life, restoring you to eternal life.  You
> will be changed from the inside out, and never the same again.  When
> Jesus saves someone, the old passes away, the new is come, and your
> very inner makeup changes.  You begin to see life in a new way.  As
> they come up, the things of your past are all re-examined and you
> see them now truly for what they were, and are.  And your life is
> transformed away from the enemy's ways, and into God's ways.  It is
> the renewing spirit living in you that does this, God's Holy Spirit,
> which is Life, and Truth, and leads all men only to life and truth.
> 
> I write these messages because it is He who loves you more than
> anyone.  His love lives inside me, and I love you also.  I write to
> you so that you may also be where He is for all eternity.  So that
> the prospering He has in mind for you can come to fruition in your
> Life, rather than to be lost in your Death.
> 
> You can ask Him from wherever you are to save you.  It only takes
> the acknowledgement that you are a sinner in need of forgiveness,
> and then asking Him to forgive you.
> 
> He knows your heart, the truth of your request.  When you seek Him
> truly, in truth, pursuing truth, honestly, without falseness, even
> if you're not 100% sure if it's for real, but you are still really
> wanting to pursue the truth, then He knows your real intent, and
> when you approach Him in that way, He receives you.
> 
> It is well worth the price of admission.  In fact, for what you get
> in return, it's absolutely astounding.
> 
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin

Like I said once before - how do you know any of this?

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#64917

On 08/07/15 17:04, David Kleinecke wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 8:28:20 AM UTC-7, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:

<polemic snipped>

> Like I said once before - how do you know any of this?

If you want to take Rick up in theological debate, could you please 
extend to the group the courtesy that Rick either ignorantly or rudely 
denies it, by keeping that discussion in an appropriate forum? (This 
group is not that forum.)

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#64920

These messages I post are for those who can hear His call, the call
of God Himself, resonating on the inside of their soul.  Those for
whom this call goes out will know on the inside the call is real
because it is to them both from Him within, and on this post here
without.

Jesus Himself is calling out to all people.  Those who will hear Him
will come to Him, ask forgiveness, and be saved.  The rest will not.

If you can hear Him, listen to Him.  He is calling out to save your
eternal soul from Death.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64924

On 08/07/15 17:17, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> These messages I post are for those who can hear His call,

Usenet is divided into subject groups for a reason. You clearly consider 
it acceptable to post articles here about salvation theology. How would 
you feel if a Muslim were to post regular articles here about Islam? 
(One actually does, and his theology is even worse than yours.) Or a 
Hindu, plugging Shiva or Vishnu or whatever? How would you feel if some 
of the atheists in this group posted long articles explaining exactly 
why there is no observational evidence for any kind of god and why 
believing in God is self-delusional?

The above is already a recipe for a descent into chaos from which 
comp.lang.c would never recover, because the people that /actually know 
the C language/ would begin to withdraw from the group as the proportion 
of C discussion began to drop to undetectable levels.

But why stop at religion? People feel strongly about all kinds of 
subjects - global warming (which threatens the lives of everyone in this 
group, *if* it's happening, which it definitely is, or definitely isn't, 
or maybe we're not quite sure, but it's *important*), proportional 
representation, street crime... and then of course there's gcc, there's 
Microsoft C, there's C++, there's C#, there's SQL, all of which would 
find their advocates and their detractors here. And every single one of 
them would justify their off-topic articles on the grounds that if it's 
okay to talk about religion in a C group, surely it's okay to talk about 
gcc (which is, after all, not only a religion but also actually C-related)?

To ignore this, and to think of your own particular hobbyhorse 
(remember, to a great many other people, your faith is merely a 
hobbyhorse, no matter how important it is to you personally) as being a 
special case, is to do the group a disservice at best and, at the worst, 
actual damage.

If you want to learn more about C, great, you're in the right place. But 
if you want to teach people about God, find a newsgroup where people 
want to learn about God. At present, the *only* thing you are teaching 
people is that Christians are discourteous people. I don't want that 
lesson to stick.

Please, take it somewhere else, and leave it there.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#64925

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 12:37:26 PM UTC-4, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> [snip]

You are utterly lost, Richard.  But it need not be that way.  Humble
yourself, admit that you are a sinner in need of forgiveness, and come
to Jesus and ask Him to forgive you and enter in to eternal life.

The fallen angels are not given this offering.  They have no future
except damnation in Hell.  Jesus ONLY extends this free gift offer of
salvation unto man.

He forgives all who come to Him.  Come to Him, Richard, and be
forgiven.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64928

On 08/07/15 17:49, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 12:37:26 PM UTC-4, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> [snip]
>
> You are utterly lost, Richard.

No, I know exactly where I am. I'm in comp.lang.c. It's you who are 
lost. You wrongly believe yourself to be in a newsgroup devoted to 
Christian evangelism.

But that's not the kind of "lost" you mean, is it? Well, I've been a 
Christian for almost a third of a century. If you think that anyone who 
thinks your behaviour is discourteous must necessarily be a 
non-Christian, then your theology is broken.

In *this* group, please stick to C.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#64927

On 07/08/2015 12:37 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
...
> To ignore this, and to think of your own particular hobbyhorse 
> (remember, to a great many other people, your faith is merely a 
> hobbyhorse, no matter how important it is to you personally) as being a

That's the key point though - no matter how many people consider his
faith to be "merely a hobbyhorse" - to him, it's clear that those people
are unambiguously wrong. His faith is so important that it must be
discussed absolutely everywhere, regardless of whether such discussions
are appropriate. I'm sure he discusses it with strangers he meets in
public restrooms. I'm sure that he discusses it loudly in the middle of
the performance of a play (even if the play has nothing to do with his
faith). I'm sure that if he were watching firemen rescuing people from a
burning building, he'd insist on delaying those firemen in their rescue
efforts by discussing his faith with them (those firemen might be facing
their death, after all - it's important that, if they die, they do so
believing the truth about Jesus). OK - I might be exaggerating on that
last one :-) - I hope!
That's because discussing his faith is so IMPORTANT that there are no
inappropriate contexts for discussing it - as far as he's concerned. The
rest of us are left to suffer for his lack of proper judgment - which is
justified because we're all WRONG.

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#64929

On 08/07/15 18:00, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 07/08/2015 12:37 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> ...
>> To ignore this, and to think of your own particular hobbyhorse
>> (remember, to a great many other people, your faith is merely a
>> hobbyhorse, no matter how important it is to you personally) as being a
>
> That's the key point though - no matter how many people consider his
> faith to be "merely a hobbyhorse" - to him, it's clear that those people
> are unambiguously wrong.

I think it's important to remember that almost all of the Christians who 
subscribe and contribute to this group do /not/ abuse it in this way 
(any more than most of the Muslims or Hindus or FSMers or whatever).

> His faith is so important that it must be
> discussed absolutely everywhere, regardless of whether such discussions
> are appropriate. I'm sure he discusses it with strangers he meets in
> public restrooms. I'm sure that he discusses it loudly in the middle of
> the performance of a play (even if the play has nothing to do with his
> faith).

It's perhaps a little unkind to say that out loud, but it's almost 
impossible not to think it.

Rick, don't you realise your behaviour is counter-productive?

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#64931

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:08:54 +0100
Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> wrote:

> On 08/07/15 18:00, James Kuyper wrote:
> > On 07/08/2015 12:37 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> > ...
> >> To ignore this, and to think of your own particular hobbyhorse
> >> (remember, to a great many other people, your faith is merely a
> >> hobbyhorse, no matter how important it is to you personally) as
> >> being a
> >
> > That's the key point though - no matter how many people consider his
> > faith to be "merely a hobbyhorse" - to him, it's clear that those
> > people are unambiguously wrong.
> 
> I think it's important to remember that almost all of the Christians
> who subscribe and contribute to this group do /not/ abuse it in this
> way (any more than most of the Muslims or Hindus or FSMers or
> whatever).
> 
> > His faith is so important that it must be
> > discussed absolutely everywhere, regardless of whether such
> > discussions are appropriate. I'm sure he discusses it with
> > strangers he meets in public restrooms. I'm sure that he discusses
> > it loudly in the middle of the performance of a play (even if the
> > play has nothing to do with his faith).
> 
> It's perhaps a little unkind to say that out loud, but it's almost 
> impossible not to think it.
> 
> Rick, don't you realise your behaviour is counter-productive?
> 

It could be also sign of mental illness...

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#64934

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:09:04 PM UTC-4, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> Rick, don't you realize your behavior is counter-productive?

Based on the responses I see here, I'd say the Holy Spirit is doing
His job in people's hearts.

Conviction is a powerful thing.  People will either humbles
themselves before it, or fight against it.  And Jesus receives all
those who humble themselves before it.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64936

On 08/07/15 18:13, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 1:09:04 PM UTC-4, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>> Rick, don't you realize your behavior is counter-productive?
>
> Based on the responses I see here, I'd say the Holy Spirit is doing
> His job in people's hearts.

The responses I see here are:

* a joke response about hell
* a request for evidence to support your assertions
* a request to take your discussion to a more appropriate group
* a query about your mental health

Based on the responses I see here, then, I'd say there's no evidence to 
support your claim about the Holy Spirit.

> Conviction is a powerful thing.  People will either humbles
> themselves before it, or fight against it.

The division of Usenet into topical groups is a good thing. People who 
fight against it generally do so because they don't understand /why/ 
it's a good thing, which means they haven't taken the time to understand 
Usenet, which is something you're supposed to do before you write your 
very first Usenet article.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#64959

James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
<snip>
> [...] His faith is so important that it must be
> discussed absolutely everywhere, regardless of whether such discussions
> are appropriate.

I've wondered about that.  I once asked if comp.lang.c was the only
Usenet group that he treats this way but I don't recall an answer.  I
can't find any such posts in the other groups he posts in but my search
fu may be failing me.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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#64961

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015 at 4:09:40 PM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> <snip>
> > [...] His faith is so important that it must be
> > discussed absolutely everywhere, regardless of whether such
> > discussions are appropriate.
> 
> I've wondered about that.  I once asked if comp.lang.c was the only
> Usenet group that he treats this way but I don't recall an answer.  I
> can't find any such posts in the other groups he posts in but my search
> fu may be failing me.

A man is not divided. If he preaches the gospel it is because he has
been changed by Jesus Christ.  If he doesn't preach the gospel, it's
because Jesus Christ has not changed him, but rather he is instead
doing something which involves Jesus Christ from his point of view,
but does not involve Jesus Christ from Jesus's point of view.

A man is a sum total being.  When I come to computer programming, I
bring myself to that table.  I am a Christian, and Jesus Christ offers
people eternal life.  I preach and teach about that.  But I am also a
computer programmer, and I discuss those things as well.

It is a lie of the enemy that we must divide ourselves into "this part
of ourself" here, and "this part of ourself" there.  We are always and
only a unified whole... either on His side, or not.

Best regards,
Rick C. Hodgin

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#64962

On 07/08/2015 04:09 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> <snip>
>> [...] His faith is so important that it must be
>> discussed absolutely everywhere, regardless of whether such discussions
>> are appropriate.
> 
> I've wondered about that.  I once asked if comp.lang.c was the only
> Usenet group that he treats this way but I don't recall an answer.  I
> can't find any such posts in the other groups he posts in but my search
> fu may be failing me.

Google groups has a minimally acceptable search engine that only allows
you to search one specific group, and a much less powerful one that
allows searches across multiple groups. However, using the second engine
I searched for

	faith "Rick C. Hodgin"

and got 58 messages, many of which were not posted to comp.lang.c,
including the first one:

<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/V1PRvI3U7vU/hAIG-mGUUKQJ>

None of his messages containing the word "faith" appear to have been
posted to religious newsgroups. The only places where he discusses these
things are places where it's inappropriate to do so?

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#64963

On Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:35:45 -0400
James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> wrote:

> On 07/08/2015 04:09 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> > James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> writes:
> > <snip>
> >> [...] His faith is so important that it must be
> >> discussed absolutely everywhere, regardless of whether such
> >> discussions are appropriate.
> > 
> > I've wondered about that.  I once asked if comp.lang.c was the only
> > Usenet group that he treats this way but I don't recall an answer.
> > I can't find any such posts in the other groups he posts in but my
> > search fu may be failing me.
> 
> Google groups has a minimally acceptable search engine that only
> allows you to search one specific group, and a much less powerful one
> that allows searches across multiple groups. However, using the
> second engine I searched for
> 
> 	faith "Rick C. Hodgin"
> 
> and got 58 messages, many of which were not posted to comp.lang.c,
> including the first one:
> 
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.arch/V1PRvI3U7vU/hAIG-mGUUKQJ>
> 
> None of his messages containing the word "faith" appear to have been
> posted to religious newsgroups. The only places where he discusses
> these things are places where it's inappropriate to do so?

That is because he would be considered nut in religious newsgroup.
People who understand those matters and take it normally would
recognize fanatic immediately.

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