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  A C program Nikhil Joshi <nitin.nitinperderusted.rastogi@gmail.com> - 2012-10-23 08:54 -0700
    Re: A C program James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-10-23 12:05 -0400
      Re: A C program Rich Webb <bbew.ar@mapson.nozirev.ten> - 2012-10-23 13:07 -0400
      Re: A C program BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-10-29 21:58 +0000
    Re: A C program Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2012-10-23 10:46 -0600
    Re: A C program Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-10-23 13:28 -0700
    Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 06:28 -0700
      Re: A C program Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-10-30 15:42 +0000
        Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 08:44 -0700
          Re: A C program Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-10-30 17:28 +0000
            Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 10:32 -0700
              Re: A C program Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-10-30 18:21 +0000
                Re: A C program "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2012-11-04 16:57 -0500
      Re: A C program "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-10-30 16:12 +0000
        Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 09:38 -0700
          Re: A C program James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-10-30 12:57 -0400
            Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 10:26 -0700
              Re: A C program James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-10-30 14:30 -0400
                Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 14:47 -0700
                  Re: A C program James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-10-30 18:29 -0400
                Re: A C program "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2012-11-04 16:35 -0500
                  Re: A C program Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-11-04 14:25 -0800
                    Re: A C program "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-11-04 23:53 +0000
                      Re: A C program Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-11-04 16:09 -0800
              Re: A C program Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 18:17 +0000
        Re: A C program Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-10-30 13:02 -0400
      Re: A C program Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2012-10-30 11:15 -0600
        Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 10:28 -0700
          Re: A C program Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-10-30 17:42 +0000
            Re: A C program tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> - 2012-10-30 10:49 -0700
              Re: A C program Greg Martin <greg@softsprocket.com> - 2012-10-30 11:11 -0700
              Re: A C program Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 18:11 +0000
          Re: A C program "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2012-11-04 16:38 -0500
        Re: A C program Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-11-05 07:45 -0800
          Re: A C program James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-11-05 13:28 -0500
      Re: A C program Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 18:03 +0000
      Re: A C program Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-11-01 18:13 +0000

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#28018

Don't feed the trolls

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#28025

"Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
> Don't feed the trolls

Bill, you're replying to a message from nearly a week ago,
and providing zero context, to tell us not to feed the trolls.
This thing has already died out; you're the only one still posting
about it.  Just drop it and move on.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#28042

"Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message 
news:lnehk9m2ey.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org...
> "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>> Don't feed the trolls
>
> Bill, you're replying to a message from nearly a week ago,
> and providing zero context, to tell us not to feed the trolls.
> This thing has already died out; you're the only one still posting
> about it.  Just drop it and move on.

I don't think it's the same Bill.

-- 
Bartc 

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#28043

"BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> "Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message 
> news:lnehk9m2ey.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org...
>> "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> writes:
>>> Don't feed the trolls
>>
>> Bill, you're replying to a message from nearly a week ago,
>> and providing zero context, to tell us not to feed the trolls.
>> This thing has already died out; you're the only one still posting
>> about it.  Just drop it and move on.
>
> I don't think it's the same Bill.

All the evidence I can see suggests that it is -- but it doesn't really
matter.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#27946

tom st denis wrote:

> Whatever, you're missing the point.

I don't believe James Kuyper missed the point.  You, on the other hand, 
failed to catch the irony of your own complaint.


Rui Maciel

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#27825

On 10/30/2012 12:12 PM, BartC wrote:
> "tom st denis" <tom@iahu.ca> wrote in message
> news:8b079e76-7530-46bd-ad32-e03deb4310fe@h15g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
>> This is the equivalent of a math major asking us to help
>> them solve the matrix
>>
>> [ 2 1 ]
>> [ 1 1 ]
>
> What's the answer?

     42.

-- 
Eric Sosman
esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid

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#27826

tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> writes:

> On Oct 23, 11:54 am, Nikhil Joshi
> <nitin.nitinperderusted.rast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> write a program to calculate decimal number from binary number?
>
> I'mma gonna go beyond what the other people wrote and just say this.
>
> Drop out of whatever program you are in now.  If this sort of program
> stumps you you have no business studying computer science nor software
> development.

This strikes me as too harsh.  This is the sort of thing that will
challenge a freshman (and maybe even a sophomore) the first time they
see it; he does need to be told to do his own homework (and has been);
he only needs to change majors if he doesn't get better.

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#27829

On Oct 30, 1:15 pm, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> tom st denis <t...@iahu.ca> writes:
>
> > On Oct 23, 11:54 am, Nikhil Joshi
> > <nitin.nitinperderusted.rast...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> write a program to calculate decimal number from binary number?
>
> > I'mma gonna go beyond what the other people wrote and just say this.
>
> > Drop out of whatever program you are in now.  If this sort of program
> > stumps you you have no business studying computer science nor software
> > development.
>
> This strikes me as too harsh.  This is the sort of thing that will
> challenge a freshman (and maybe even a sophomore) the first time they
> see it; he does need to be told to do his own homework (and has been);
> he only needs to change majors if he doesn't get better.

I think it boils down to a complete and utter lack of intuition and
drive for knowledge.  Likely the person is looking for the easiest
cheap ride through to a diploma so they can then waste peoples time as
a completely worthless software developer.

I could have solved this problem when I was 8 years old.  So in
effect, this guy has less intuition about software and computer
science than a C average 8 year old from a small town in Ontario
Canada.  That's not saying much for their worth as a student let alone
an eventual professional.

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#27832

tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> writes:

> On Oct 30, 1:15 pm, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>> tom st denis <t...@iahu.ca> writes:
>>
>> > On Oct 23, 11:54 am, Nikhil Joshi
>> > <nitin.nitinperderusted.rast...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> write a program to calculate decimal number from binary number?
>>
>> > I'mma gonna go beyond what the other people wrote and just say this.
>>
>> > Drop out of whatever program you are in now.  If this sort of program
>> > stumps you you have no business studying computer science nor software
>> > development.
>>
>> This strikes me as too harsh.  This is the sort of thing that will
>> challenge a freshman (and maybe even a sophomore) the first time they
>> see it; he does need to be told to do his own homework (and has been);
>> he only needs to change majors if he doesn't get better.
>
> I think it boils down to a complete and utter lack of intuition and
> drive for knowledge.  Likely the person is looking for the easiest
> cheap ride through to a diploma so they can then waste peoples time as
> a completely worthless software developer.
>
> I could have solved this problem when I was 8 years old.  So in
> effect, this guy has less intuition about software and computer
> science than a C average 8 year old from a small town in Ontario
> Canada.  That's not saying much for their worth as a student let alone
> an eventual professional.

Using yourself as an example is wrong unless you consider yourself just
about the least talented programmer who ever benefited from studying
programing.  I suspect you had an average or above average talent for
programming, which means that there are thousands and thousands of less
talented programmers who, every year, study programming a benefited form
it.

-- 
Ben.

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#27833

On Oct 30, 1:42 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use...@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
> Using yourself as an example is wrong unless you consider yourself just
> about the least talented programmer who ever benefited from studying
> programing.  I suspect you had an average or above average talent for
> programming, which means that there are thousands and thousands of less
> talented programmers who, every year, study programming a benefited form
> it.

This guy isn't creating a complicated data compression scheme or
writing a schedule for a pre-emptive OS.  It's converting binary to
decimal.  It's about as basic as it gets.  If this sort of problem
challenges him/her so much that they can't even post their [failed]
attempt at solving it ... they really need to think hard about the
industry they're in.

Worse, if the guy didn't even bother trying and is just looking for a
free ride they should do everyone a favour and step down.  Leave room
in the programme for people who actually want to try.

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#27838

On 12-10-30 10:49 AM, tom st denis wrote:
> On Oct 30, 1:42 pm, Ben Bacarisse <ben.use...@bsb.me.uk> wrote:
>> Using yourself as an example is wrong unless you consider yourself just
>> about the least talented programmer who ever benefited from studying
>> programing.  I suspect you had an average or above average talent for
>> programming, which means that there are thousands and thousands of less
>> talented programmers who, every year, study programming a benefited form
>> it.
>
> This guy isn't creating a complicated data compression scheme or
> writing a schedule for a pre-emptive OS.  It's converting binary to
> decimal.  It's about as basic as it gets.  If this sort of problem
> challenges him/her so much that they can't even post their [failed]
> attempt at solving it ... they really need to think hard about the
> industry they're in.
>
> Worse, if the guy didn't even bother trying and is just looking for a
> free ride they should do everyone a favour and step down.  Leave room
> in the programme for people who actually want to try.
>

The problem with judgements made on a limited sample of data is that 
they are frequently informed by bias. The OP may be as you suggest, 
though one doesn't have to think to hard to come up with other 
possibilities.

We don't know that he didn't try, only that he didn't post an attempt.

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#27943

tom st denis wrote:

> This guy isn't creating a complicated data compression scheme or
> writing a schedule for a pre-emptive OS.

Irrelevant.  You are esssentially complaining that someone who has just 
started learning how to walk can't run a marathon or the 100 meter dash.  In 
fact, your own complaint shows off some ignorance, because there is a 
significant difference between learning a language and expressing ideas in 
it.

So, try not to bite the newcomers.


Rui Maciel

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#28019

tom st denis wrote:

[snip

> I could have solved this problem when I was 8 years old.  So in
> effect, this guy has less intuition about software and computer
> science than a C average 8 year old from a small town in Ontario
> Canada.  That's not saying much for their worth as a student let alone
> an eventual professional.

    Yes but no one is as perfect as you. All you ever do is show up to 
complain. Why don't you make some good use of yourself and help someone or 
shut the hell up. It's always about you isn't it.

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#28057

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:15:11 PM UTC, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> writes:
> 
>  
> > Drop out of whatever program you are in now.  If this sort of program
> > stumps you you have no business studying computer science nor software
> > development.
> 
> 
> 
> This strikes me as too harsh.  This is the sort of thing that will
> challenge a freshman (and maybe even a sophomore) the first time they
> see it; he does need to be told to do his own homework (and has been);
> he only needs to change majors if he doesn't get better.
>
You've got to understand argv and argc, you've got to write a routine that
checks a string is a valid binary number, you've got to detect arithmetic
overflow (or, for the class prize, implement an arbitrary-length routine).

It's not that easy to get full marks.

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#28058

On 11/05/2012 10:45 AM, Malcolm McLean wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:15:11 PM UTC, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>> tom st denis <tom@iahu.ca> writes:
>>
>>  
>>> Drop out of whatever program you are in now.  If this sort of program
>>> stumps you you have no business studying computer science nor software
>>> development.
>>
>>
>>
>> This strikes me as too harsh.  This is the sort of thing that will
>> challenge a freshman (and maybe even a sophomore) the first time they
>> see it; he does need to be told to do his own homework (and has been);
>> he only needs to change majors if he doesn't get better.
>>
> You've got to understand argv and argc, you've got to write a routine that
> checks a string is a valid binary number, you've got to detect arithmetic
> overflow (or, for the class prize, implement an arbitrary-length routine).
> 
> It's not that easy to get full marks.

A key stumbling block for many newbies assigned such a problem is
confusion between the use of "binary" to describe the digits in a
character string, and the use of "binary" to describe the internal
representation of integer types in C. The OP's message is consistent
with either possibility as the input to the routine, though the
character string seems more reasonable.
Being confused about such issues as a newbie is not a good predictor of
whether you might be a successful computer scientist or computer
programmer, tom st denis' comments to the contrary notwithstanding.

If someone were still confused by such issues after spending more than a
decade "learning" C, then I would think it's long past time for them to
give up - but that's a different issue.

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#27941

tom st denis wrote:

> Drop out of whatever program you are in now.  If this sort of program
> stumps you you have no business studying computer science nor software
> development.

C is taught in courses other than CS or anything related to software 
development.  I wouldn't be surprised if nowadays there were more C courses 
being taught in non-CS degrees than in CS ones.


Rui Maciel

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#27944

tom st denis wrote:

> This is the equivalent of a math major asking us to help
> them solve the matrix
> 
> [ 2 1 ]
> [ 1 1 ]

You got to be kidding.


Rui Maciel

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