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Microsoft abandons the C language

Started byjacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
First post2012-08-23 20:05 +0200
Last post2012-09-13 20:39 +0000
Articles 20 on this page of 386 — 52 participants

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  Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 20:05 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-23 20:28 +0200
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:06 +0100
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 12:44 -0700
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 22:14 +0200
      Re‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 14:15 -0700
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-23 22:07 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-08-23 16:20 -0400
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 22:51 +0200
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 09:33 +0200
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:51 +0200
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 13:30 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 13:32 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 13:46 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 15:44 -0400
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear) - 2012-08-26 02:22 +0000
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-26 00:19 -0500
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear) - 2012-08-27 00:25 +0000
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 13:51 -0700
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language CRNG <Spam@uce.gov> - 2012-08-23 16:57 -0500
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-23 18:01 -0400
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 15:21 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-23 19:04 -0400
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-23 23:26 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 19:14 -0500
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 11:35 -0500
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 21:03 +0200
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 18:46 -0500
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 21:13 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 21:08 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:41 -0500
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:50 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:35 -0600
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 02:17 -0500
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 02:58 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-26 15:32 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:02 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Leo Havmøller <rtxleh@nospam.nospam> - 2012-08-24 06:52 +0200
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:00 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-23 23:16 -0600
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-24 00:06 -0700
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:18 +0200
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Leo Havmøller <rtxleh@nospam.nospam> - 2012-08-24 09:22 +0200
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:53 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 03:48 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 15:28 -0400
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:20 +0100
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:43 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 03:30 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:11 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:10 -0600
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:16 +0100
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 02:45 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:58 +0100
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:02 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 02:59 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 05:28 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 07:45 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-25 12:12 +0100
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 05:33 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-25 16:57 +0100
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:22 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 10:46 +0100
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 11:00 -0500
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:31 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 01:57 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 13:58 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:36 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 22:50 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 10:42 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 04:27 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-09-01 11:35 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-09-02 00:52 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:21 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:59 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:55 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 00:45 -0700
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:17 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:47 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-24 06:33 -0500
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 06:47 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:58 -0600
    Alternatives to Windows APIs in Metro style apps "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:20 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-24 12:38 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-25 21:09 +0000
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-26 01:40 +0200
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-27 20:58 +0000
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 17:12 -0400
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:25 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:03 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:35 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-28 01:13 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-28 01:30 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:46 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:12 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:26 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 09:59 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 02:44 -0600
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 11:40 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 03:10 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 05:05 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-03 00:32 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 01:16 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 01:03 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:28 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-28 18:25 +0000
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-28 20:35 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-08-28 11:55 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 21:11 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 21:39 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-28 22:29 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:09 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-28 23:16 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:27 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 17:24 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:37 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 14:37 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:39 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 00:15 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 01:54 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 17:15 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 02:27 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-29 10:01 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 10:54 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-29 13:47 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-29 07:57 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 16:20 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-29 12:32 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 20:28 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 14:51 -0400
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:11 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 15:32 -0400
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:47 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:01 +0200
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2012-08-29 19:27 +0000
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:30 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 15:44 -0400
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2012-08-29 20:07 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:06 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-29 08:21 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 15:37 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 15:59 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 16:27 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 11:02 -0400
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 11:42 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 14:52 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 07:27 -0400
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-29 20:00 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 16:36 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:12 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-29 21:47 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 17:51 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 03:07 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 21:38 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 11:40 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-30 04:00 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 13:55 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-30 13:47 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 23:24 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-30 02:40 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 17:46 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-29 18:25 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-30 13:43 +1200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-30 03:37 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-30 08:28 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-31 05:29 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-31 11:57 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-30 14:20 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-30 06:39 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-30 20:08 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-30 22:51 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-31 01:04 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 11:42 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-30 16:33 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 12:29 +0100
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 04:40 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-08-31 17:26 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 08:50 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-31 12:46 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-31 20:17 +0200
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-31 14:41 -0400
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-09-01 00:11 +0200
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 12:48 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-09-02 20:39 +0200
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-02 17:07 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 12:22 +0100
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 20:49 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 18:58 -0700
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Paul J Gans <gansno@panix.com> - 2012-09-03 02:15 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 22:10 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-03 10:16 +0100
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 12:10 +0100
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-03 13:06 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-04 12:16 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 12:24 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-04 20:14 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-04 17:38 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Edek Pienkowski <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2012-09-04 19:34 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 16:46 -0700
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Edek Pienkowski <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 08:26 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 13:40 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 15:30 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 16:05 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 17:01 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 17:21 -0500
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 21:17 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-03 00:24 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 18:06 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:07 +1200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 18:36 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-02 20:38 -0400
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 20:00 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:25 +0100
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-03 11:52 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-31 11:56 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-01 13:45 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-01 12:29 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:47 -0600
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 12:41 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:46 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 14:08 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-01 11:54 +1200
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 20:05 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 08:55 +1200
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:43 +0100
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-04 09:25 +1200
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-04 17:50 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 19:32 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-04 22:58 +0200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 22:09 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-05 10:13 +1200
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-05 08:59 +0200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 07:57 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-06 17:30 +1200
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 13:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 07:13 +1200
                                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 21:25 +0100
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-06 15:18 -0700
                                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 00:42 +0100
                                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 11:28 -0400
                                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 22:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 18:59 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 01:10 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 22:45 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 05:18 -0700
                                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 14:29 +0100
                                                                          Re‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-08 07:16 -0700
                                                                            Re: Re‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 15:58 +0100
                                                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 17:39 +0100
                                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 10:21 -0700
                                                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 22:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 15:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-09 00:24 +0100
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 20:47 +1200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-06 17:22 +1200
                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 13:12 +0100
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 08:51 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 16:57 +0100
                                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 19:40 +0300
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 22:46 +0100
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-09-10 17:02 -0400
                                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-10 22:49 +0000
                                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-09-11 11:13 -0400
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-10 22:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 07:18 +1200
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 21:11 +0100
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-06 16:57 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 02:27 +0100
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-06 15:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-09-08 09:54 +0200
                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-08 01:23 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-10 10:48 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 14:29 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:49 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-02 15:15 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-31 21:58 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 14:02 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 12:55 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 19:21 +0100
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:44 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-01 21:56 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:48 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 02:04 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 19:07 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-08-31 11:57 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-31 11:05 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-31 21:10 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 11:54 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-30 08:02 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 14:57 -0400
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-28 21:19 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ais523 <ais523@bham.ac.uk> - 2012-08-28 22:07 +0000
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 14:36 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 09:40 +1200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 17:13 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 01:01 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 22:26 -0400
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-09-02 12:28 +0100
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 16:48 -0700
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language timprince <tprince@computer.org> - 2012-08-25 23:20 -0400
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 20:55 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 02:24 -0500
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 10:45 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 03:13 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Tim Prince <tprince@nospamcomputer.org> - 2012-08-26 11:01 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-26 13:53 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 21:54 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:46 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 08:52 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 01:16 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 11:24 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 04:07 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 13:09 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 09:17 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 16:36 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:02 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:18 -0600
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-28 13:14 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 10:03 -0400
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-08-31 17:44 -0400
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:12 -0600
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-09-03 11:39 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:22 +0100
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-09-03 12:54 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 19:47 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:34 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 01:26 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 02:53 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:36 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 03:17 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 04:37 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 00:35 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 11:00 +0200
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 03:16 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 11:06 +0100
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 05:02 -0600
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 15:14 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-26 15:22 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:35 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:38 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-27 10:56 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-27 21:21 +0100
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-28 02:42 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-27 20:02 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-28 10:51 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-28 03:52 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-28 12:47 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-28 18:25 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-29 11:25 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-26 11:06 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:01 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 07:33 -0400
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 00:13 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-26 11:17 -0500
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-26 14:22 -0500
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:30 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-26 22:43 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 00:32 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-27 01:02 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 01:42 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 03:00 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 10:49 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 04:14 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 04:18 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 10:56 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 03:40 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-27 04:05 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 15:13 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 23:47 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:16 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 01:48 -0600
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-28 14:10 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 17:14 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:45 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 10:01 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 02:54 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 13:45 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 23:28 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 13:58 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 00:20 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 15:24 -0700
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2012-08-27 00:48 +0000
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-13 19:46 +0200
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-09-13 13:32 -0700
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-13 20:39 +0000

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#25382

FromStephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Date2012-08-29 08:21 -0500
Message-ID<k1l518$4p7$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#25366
On 29-Aug-12 03:54, Jens Gustedt wrote:
> Am 29.08.2012 10:01, schrieb David Brown:
>> Usually when you have an "inline" function, you do not want external
>> linkage.  As with all functions that you don't explicitly want exported
>> from the compile unit, you should add "static".  It is very rare to see
>> an "inline" function that should not have been declared "static inline".
> 
> Hm, I use inline functions a lot and my mileage seems to be completely
> different from yours.
> 
> I have small to medium sized functions in headers as inline, and I
> don't want them to be repeated in every compilation unit, so I don't
> have them static.

I think you (or perhaps your compiler) have this backwards.

"extern inline" (or just "inline", since "extern" is default for
functions) will create a function body with external linkage _and_ tell
the compiler to inline calls.  So, if you use this in a header file that
is included in ten different source files, you will end up with TEN
function bodies with external linkage.

"static inline" will NOT create a function body with external linkage,
but it still tells the compiler to inline calls.  So, if you use this in
a header file that is included in ten different source files, you will
end up with ZERO function bodies with external linkage.

> I use the "instantiation" syntax of C99 to force the generation of the
> symbol in exactly one .c file. So I am always sure that everything
> will link well together, e.g when I compile without optimization for
> debugging (and the compiler doesn't inline) or when I occasionally
> take a pointer to the function.

AIUI, explicit inline directives are not an "optimization"; if your
compiler ignores them, it is not conforming.

It is only an "optimization" for the compiler to inline calls (and
possibly remove function bodies) when there are NOT any "inline" directives.

> AFAKS this model is the reason that the "inline" feature was included
> in C. For everything else we could have stayed with "static". To me,
> "static inline" makes not much sense since it doesn't bring in
> anything new.

"static" suppresses the generation of (potentially redundant) function
bodies that will never be called.

If your compiler ignores valid "inline" directives, then it becomes
necessary for ONE of the function definitions to be "extern", so that a
function body is generated, but the rest should be "static".

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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#25383

FromVincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it>
Date2012-08-29 15:37 +0200
Message-ID<SWo%r.203051$GZ3.71402@tornado.fastwebnet.it>
In reply to#25382
Il 29/08/2012 15:21, Stephen Sprunk ha scritto:
[..]
> "extern inline" (or just "inline", since "extern" is default for
> functions)
[..]

This is not correct, in C99-C11 at least. Just "inline" won't specify
external linkage. That's why gcc or clang will fail when linking.
You need to create an "alternative external definition" for that function,
this way:

     inline void foo(uint32_t *restrict p){}
     extern void foo(uint32_t *restrict p);

or directly define it as:

     extern inline void foo(uint32_t *restrict p){}

-- 
Vincenzo Mercuri

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#25384

FromVincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it>
Date2012-08-29 15:59 +0200
Message-ID<lfp%r.203053$GZ3.101318@tornado.fastwebnet.it>
In reply to#25383
Il 29/08/2012 15:37, Vincenzo Mercuri ha scritto:
> Il 29/08/2012 15:21, Stephen Sprunk ha scritto:
> [..]
>> "extern inline" (or just "inline", since "extern" is default for
>> functions)
> [..]
>
> This is not correct, in C99-C11 at least. Just "inline" won't specify
> external linkage. [..]

Sorry, I said it wrong. "inline" alone does specify external linkage,
but it does not provide an external definition, so "extern inline" and
"inline" are not equivalent. If you reference an "inline function" with
external linkage you also must provide an external definition, in the
same or another translation unit.

-- 
Vincenzo Mercuri

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#25387

FromJens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr>
Date2012-08-29 16:27 +0200
Message-ID<503E26D5.5030201@loria.fr>
In reply to#25382
Am 29.08.2012 15:21, schrieb Stephen Sprunk:
> On 29-Aug-12 03:54, Jens Gustedt wrote:
>> Hm, I use inline functions a lot and my mileage seems to be completely
>> different from yours.
>>
>> I have small to medium sized functions in headers as inline, and I
>> don't want them to be repeated in every compilation unit, so I don't
>> have them static.
> 
> I think you (or perhaps your compiler) have this backwards.

no, at least if you assume that gcc or clang have it backwards

> "extern inline" (or just "inline", since "extern" is default for
> functions) will create a function body with external linkage _and_ tell
> the compiler to inline calls.  So, if you use this in a header file that
> is included in ten different source files, you will end up with TEN
> function bodies with external linkage.

what would then be the purpose of inline? To make no difference at all?

> "static inline" will NOT create a function body with external
>  linkage,

nobody said that

> but it still tells the compiler to inline calls.

as a hint, C11:

  Making a function an inline function suggests that calls to the
  function be as fast as possible. The extent to which such
  suggestions are effective is implementation-defined.

>  So, if you use this in
> a header file that is included in ten different source files, you will
> end up with ZERO function bodies with external linkage.

If it doesn't do that, you will end up with plenty copies of your
function, one for every unit. Not with external linkage, correct, but
again, nobody said that.

>> I use the "instantiation" syntax of C99 to force the generation of the
>> symbol in exactly one .c file. So I am always sure that everything
>> will link well together, e.g when I compile without optimization for
>> debugging (and the compiler doesn't inline) or when I occasionally
>> take a pointer to the function.
> 
> AIUI, explicit inline directives are not an "optimization"; if your
> compiler ignores them, it is not conforming.
> 
> It is only an "optimization" for the compiler to inline calls (and
> possibly remove function bodies) when there are NOT any "inline" directives.
> 
>> AFAKS this model is the reason that the "inline" feature was included
>> in C. For everything else we could have stayed with "static". To me,
>> "static inline" makes not much sense since it doesn't bring in
>> anything new.
> 
> "static" suppresses the generation of (potentially redundant) function
> bodies that will never be called.

right, but doesn't supress the generation of redundant function bodies
that *get* called.

Jens

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#25392

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Date2012-08-29 11:02 -0400
Message-ID<503E2F07.1050609@verizon.net>
In reply to#25382
On 08/29/2012 09:21 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> On 29-Aug-12 03:54, Jens Gustedt wrote:
...
>> Hm, I use inline functions a lot and my mileage seems to be completely
>> different from yours.
>>
>> I have small to medium sized functions in headers as inline, and I
>> don't want them to be repeated in every compilation unit, so I don't
>> have them static.
> 
> I think you (or perhaps your compiler) have this backwards.
> 
> "extern inline" (or just "inline", since "extern" is default for
> functions) will create a function body with external linkage _and_ tell
> the compiler to inline calls.  So, if you use this in a header file that
> is included in ten different source files, you will end up with TEN
> function bodies with external linkage.

No, it does not create an external definition. The 'extern' keyword
asserts that there is an external definition, giving the compiler
permission to try to call it, but the external definition itself must be
provided separately. Where that function definition is provided, at
least one declaration of that function in the same translation unit must
omit both the 'extern' and 'inline' keywords - otherwise, it would
provide an 'inline definition' (6.7.4p7), and would therefore NOT
provide an external definition (6.9p5). The most reasonable thing is for
the declaration with this characteristic be the one that occurs at the
start of the external definition, but that's not actually required by
the standard (which seems a little odd to me).

>> I use the "instantiation" syntax of C99 to force the generation of the
>> symbol in exactly one .c file. So I am always sure that everything
>> will link well together, e.g when I compile without optimization for
>> debugging (and the compiler doesn't inline) or when I occasionally
>> take a pointer to the function.
> 
> AIUI, explicit inline directives are not an "optimization"; if your
> compiler ignores them, it is not conforming.

The main defining characteristic of 'inline' keyword is that it "...
suggests that calls to the function be as fast as possible." That sounds
like a request for optimization to me. Whether or not it is an actual
optimization depends upon whether or not the compiler chooses to take
that suggestion into consideration.

> It is only an "optimization" for the compiler to inline calls (and
> possibly remove function bodies) when there are NOT any "inline" directives.

'inline' is a keyword, not a directive. The standard uses the word
"directive" only in the context of pre-processing.
It's an optimization, whether or not there's an 'inline' keyword,
because the compiler always has the option of either inlining a function
call, or not inlining it - the 'inline' keyword doesn't change that,
it's no more than a suggestion.

> "static" suppresses the generation of (potentially redundant) function
> bodies that will never be called.

No, an implementation is still free to create a separate function
bodies, whether or not they ever get called.

> If your compiler ignores valid "inline" directives, then it becomes
> necessary for ONE of the function definitions to be "extern", so that a
> function body is generated, but the rest should be "static".

No, if it decides to ignore the 'inline' keyword, the function body it
creates must have internal linkage, not external. It does not satisfy
the requirement (that might exist due to some other translation unit in
the same program) for a function with that name and external linkage.

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#25416

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-29 11:42 -0700
Message-ID<ln7gshy1z0.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25366
Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> writes:
[...]
> Hm, I use inline functions a lot and my mileage seems to be completely
> different from yours.
>
> I have small to medium sized functions in headers as inline, and I
> don't want them to be repeated in every compilation unit, so I don't
> have them static.
>
> I use the "instantiation" syntax of C99 to force the generation of the
> symbol in exactly one .c file.
[...]

What is this "instantiation" syntax?  Can you show an example?  (The
word doesn't appear in the standard.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25419

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Date2012-08-29 14:52 -0400
Message-ID<503E64FB.9010205@verizon.net>
In reply to#25416
On 08/29/2012 02:42 PM, Keith Thompson wrote:
> Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> writes:
...
>> I use the "instantiation" syntax of C99 to force the generation of the
>> symbol in exactly one .c file.
> [...]
> 
> What is this "instantiation" syntax?  Can you show an example?  (The
> word doesn't appear in the standard.)

I think he's referring to EXAMPLE 1 in 6.7.4p10; I've just posted a
message arguing that the example is in error.

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#25371

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Date2012-08-29 07:27 -0400
Message-ID<k1kuae$r31$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#25361
On 08/29/2012 04:01 AM, David Brown wrote:
...
> Usually when you have an "inline" function, you do not want external 
> linkage.  As with all functions that you don't explicitly want exported 
> from the compile unit, you should add "static".  It is very rare to see 
> an "inline" function that should not have been declared "static inline".

When an inline function has external linkage, the compiler has the
freedom to choose whether to use the internal definition or the external
one. Presumably, the compiler will either a) keep things simple by
always making the same choice or b) try to make a context-dependent
decision about which definition it would be best to use. Assuming you
trust the compiler to make good decisions about such things, giving it
that choice should produce code that is no worse than it would have been
had the choice not been available, and possibly better.

I seldom bother inlining functions, but on the rare occasions when I
have done so, it I've gone the external inline route, for that reason.
-- 
James Kuyper

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#25436

Fromrashid <nospam@nospam.com>
Date2012-08-29 20:00 +0000
Message-ID<k1lsd7$765$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#25271
On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:35:31 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> rashid <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
> 
> 
>> Look Keith, most of this is NOT C OR C++.
> 
>  To my untrained eyes, that looks like correct C11. Maybe even C99,
> but there are some features that I've never used, so I cannot say for
> sure.

Look, what it is this languages of C11 and C99 what everyone talks about? 
I never heard of them. C++, sure of course I know. C11 or C22 or Cff... 
hocus pocus!

I am talking about the C language which MSVC++ will compile correctly, 
and just as portable to Unix or Apple.

>> You probably use an extension language with all this strange stuff. For
>> example, in C you cannot have vla[size] where size is a variable. You
>> must do #define size 20 instead.
> 
>  VLA's have been part of C since C99. Have you been living under a
> rock for the past 13 years?

OK, so this is in "C99". I am talking here about C, not any extension 
language.

>> Sorry but if someone deliberately spreads lies, I will politely call
>> him out on it.
> 
>  I'll get the popcorn going, while I wait to see what Nemesis have
> prepared for you.

WTF??

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#25444

FromJames Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net>
Date2012-08-29 16:36 -0400
Message-ID<503E7D40.9040708@verizon.net>
In reply to#25436
On 08/29/2012 04:00 PM, rashid wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:35:31 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>> rashid <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
>>
>>
>>> Look Keith, most of this is NOT C OR C++.
>>
>>  To my untrained eyes, that looks like correct C11. Maybe even C99,
>> but there are some features that I've never used, so I cannot say for
>> sure.
> 
> Look, what it is this languages of C11 and C99 what everyone talks about? 
> I never heard of them. C++, sure of course I know. C11 or C22 or Cff... 
> hocus pocus!

Your lack of awareness of these international standards doesn't make
people who are aware of them liars. It just makes you ignorant.
Unusually so - virtually anyone paying any attention to C should have
heard of C99 many times in the past decade.

> I am talking about the C language which MSVC++ will compile correctly, 
> and just as portable to Unix or Apple.

MSVC++ doesn't own that language. ISO does - and ISO doesn't match your
prejudices about what constitutes C. ISO C90 is widely portable; I'm not
sure what differences there might be between ISO C90 and the language
that MSVC++ compiles when it comes closest to being fully conforming to
C90. However, if there are any such differences, I can guarantee you
that the ISO C90 side of the difference is more widely portable than the
MSVC++ side.

Fully conforming implementation of C99 are still rare, but code that
uses most of the new C99 features can be compiled on every platform you
mention - but not by MSVC++. Implementation of C2011 has just barely
begun, but it will probably eventually be implemented on all of those
same platforms - but almost certainly not by MSVC++.

....
>>  VLA's have been part of C since C99. Have you been living under a
>> rock for the past 13 years?
> 
> OK, so this is in "C99". I am talking here about C, not any extension 
> language.

C now officially means C99. That's what ISO says, and ISO has the right
to say so. It's not an extension; the language you refer to is now an
officially obsolete version of C (twice over).

>>> Sorry but if someone deliberately spreads lies, I will politely call
>>> him out on it.
>>
>>  I'll get the popcorn going, while I wait to see what Nemesis have
>> prepared for you.
> 
> WTF??

He's correctly identifying you as someone suffering from a bad case of
hubris <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_%28mythology%29>.

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#25449

FromJens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr>
Date2012-08-29 23:12 +0200
Message-ID<503E85C7.5070508@loria.fr>
In reply to#25444
Am 29.08.2012 22:36, schrieb James Kuyper:
> Fully conforming implementation of C99 are still rare, but code that
> uses most of the new C99 features can be compiled on every platform you
> mention - but not by MSVC++. Implementation of C2011 has just barely
> begun,

no actually, it is already quite advanced. I think clang already
implements most of the language features (those that impose extensions
of the syntax) and part of the library is also already there.

> but it will probably eventually be implemented on all of those
> same platforms - but almost certainly not by MSVC++.

> C now officially means C99. That's what ISO says, and ISO has the right
> to say so.

Sorry to correct you :) but no, officially C now means C11. C11
declared C99 obsolete.

Jens

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#25446

FromBen Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
Date2012-08-29 21:47 +0100
Message-ID<0.b5a1f12ebc50e8b40d99.20120829214741BST.87pq69e87m.fsf@bsb.me.uk>
In reply to#25436
rashid <nospam@nospam.com> writes:

> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:35:31 +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
>> rashid <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
>> 
>> 
>>> Look Keith, most of this is NOT C OR C++.
>> 
>>  To my untrained eyes, that looks like correct C11. Maybe even C99,
>> but there are some features that I've never used, so I cannot say for
>> sure.
>
> Look, what it is this languages of C11 and C99 what everyone talks about? 
> I never heard of them. C++, sure of course I know. C11 or C22 or Cff... 
> hocus pocus!

There's a need to distinguish between the various versions of the C
standard.  That's all the numbers mean.  The language "C" -- unadorned
with any numbers -- is, as of a short while ago, defined by a standard
that no compiler yet supports.  In practice, all people now program in a
language that is not C as currently defined by ISO.

But there are lots of "not C as currently defined by ISO" languages.

> I am talking about the C language which MSVC++ will compile correctly, 
> and just as portable to Unix or Apple.

MS stopped supporting the revisions to the C standard (at least the ones
that are not shared with C++) some time ago.  The language which MSVC
will compile correctly is often called C90 or ANSI C, but MSVC include
extensions by default, so in effect the language you are talking about
is "C90 plus some other bits".

>>> You probably use an extension language with all this strange stuff. For
>>> example, in C you cannot have vla[size] where size is a variable. You
>>> must do #define size 20 instead.
>> 
>>  VLA's have been part of C since C99. Have you been living under a
>> rock for the past 13 years?
>
> OK, so this is in "C99". I am talking here about C, not any extension 
> language.

Without any clarification, "C" is ambiguous.  You may know what you
mean by C, but in a group where people use lots of different systems and
who need to refer to a language in the process of changing, the numbers
are a great help.

<snip>
-- 
Ben.

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#25469

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-29 17:51 -0700
Message-ID<lnligxw6at.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25446
Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
[...]
> There's a need to distinguish between the various versions of the C
> standard.  That's all the numbers mean.  The language "C" -- unadorned
> with any numbers -- is, as of a short while ago, defined by a standard
> that no compiler yet supports.  In practice, all people now program in a
> language that is not C as currently defined by ISO.

*All* people?  There's plenty of code being written that's valid
C11, even if it doesn't use all the features of the language (very
few programs use all the features of whatever language they're
written in).

I suppose you could say it's not C11 if it's not compiled with
a conforming C11 compiler (of which, as far as I know, there are
none), but I wouldn't make that argument myself.  The source code
either is or is not conforming, regardless of what you do with it.

A lot of code does use implementation-defined features not defined
by any version of the standard, but not all of it does.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25472

FromVincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it>
Date2012-08-30 03:07 +0200
Message-ID<41z%r.203254$GZ3.106020@tornado.fastwebnet.it>
In reply to#25469
Il 30/08/2012 02:51, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
[..]
> I suppose you could say it's not C11 if it's not compiled with
> a conforming C11 compiler (of which, as far as I know, there are
> none)
[..]

There is a compiler, available only for Windows, that claims
to support C11. I've never used it, but if you are interested,
it's called "Pelles C": http://www.pellesc.de/

-- 
Vincenzo Mercuri

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#25499

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-29 21:38 -0700
Message-ID<lnvcg1uh7w.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25472
Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> writes:
> Il 30/08/2012 02:51, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
> [..]
>> I suppose you could say it's not C11 if it's not compiled with
>> a conforming C11 compiler (of which, as far as I know, there are
>> none)
> [..]
>
> There is a compiler, available only for Windows, that claims
> to support C11. I've never used it, but if you are interested,
> it's called "Pelles C": http://www.pellesc.de/

Interesting.  I installed it and I've been playing around with it.  It
doesn't complain about a call to gets(), and I ran into a bug triggered
by:

    #include <noreturn.h>
    #include <stdlib.h>

(reversing the order avoids the error).  Apart from that, I haven't seen
any failure to conform to C11.

So far, I'm impressed.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25518

FromVincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it>
Date2012-08-30 11:40 +0200
Message-ID<TxG%r.203297$GZ3.190601@tornado.fastwebnet.it>
In reply to#25499
Il 30/08/2012 06:38, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
> Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> writes:
>> Il 30/08/2012 02:51, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
>> [..]
>>> I suppose you could say it's not C11 if it's not compiled with
>>> a conforming C11 compiler (of which, as far as I know, there are
>>> none)
>> [..]
>>
>> There is a compiler, available only for Windows, that claims
>> to support C11. I've never used it, but if you are interested,
>> it's called "Pelles C": http://www.pellesc.de/
>
> Interesting.  I installed it and I've been playing around with it.  It
> doesn't complain about a call to gets(), and I ran into a bug triggered
> by:
>
>      #include <noreturn.h>
>      #include <stdlib.h>
>
> (reversing the order avoids the error).  Apart from that, I haven't seen
> any failure to conform to C11.
>
> So far, I'm impressed.
>

Oh, haha! Strange way to "support C11". It definitely doesn't,
but at least it confirmed being a Beta version (I'd say Alpha,
probably). However, thanks for bothering to install it.

-- 
Vincenzo Mercuri

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#25520

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-30 04:00 -0700
Message-ID<lnr4qove46.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25518
Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> writes:
> Il 30/08/2012 06:38, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
>> Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> writes:
>>> Il 30/08/2012 02:51, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
>>> [..]
>>>> I suppose you could say it's not C11 if it's not compiled with
>>>> a conforming C11 compiler (of which, as far as I know, there are
>>>> none)
>>> [..]
>>>
>>> There is a compiler, available only for Windows, that claims
>>> to support C11. I've never used it, but if you are interested,
>>> it's called "Pelles C": http://www.pellesc.de/
>>
>> Interesting.  I installed it and I've been playing around with it.  It
>> doesn't complain about a call to gets(), and I ran into a bug triggered
>> by:
>>
>>      #include <noreturn.h>
>>      #include <stdlib.h>
>>
>> (reversing the order avoids the error).  Apart from that, I haven't seen
>> any failure to conform to C11.
>>
>> So far, I'm impressed.
>>
>
> Oh, haha! Strange way to "support C11". It definitely doesn't,
> but at least it confirmed being a Beta version (I'd say Alpha,
> probably). However, thanks for bothering to install it.

What do you mean it "definitely doesn't"?  I found two fairly minor
bugs in the implementation, both with easy workarounds.  _Noreturn,
_Generic, <threads.h>, _Static_assert, and the various predefined
macros all seem to be ok.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25525

FromVincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it>
Date2012-08-30 13:55 +0200
Message-ID<qwI%r.203369$GZ3.108315@tornado.fastwebnet.it>
In reply to#25520
Il 30/08/2012 13:00, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
> Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> writes:
>> Il 30/08/2012 06:38, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
>>> Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> writes:
>>>> Il 30/08/2012 02:51, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
>>>> [..]
>>>>> I suppose you could say it's not C11 if it's not compiled with
>>>>> a conforming C11 compiler (of which, as far as I know, there are
>>>>> none)
>>>> [..]
>>>>
>>>> There is a compiler, available only for Windows, that claims
>>>> to support C11. I've never used it, but if you are interested,
>>>> it's called "Pelles C": http://www.pellesc.de/
>>>
>>> Interesting.  I installed it and I've been playing around with it.  It
>>> doesn't complain about a call to gets(), and I ran into a bug triggered
>>> by:
>>>
>>>       #include <noreturn.h>
>>>       #include <stdlib.h>
>>>
>>> (reversing the order avoids the error).  Apart from that, I haven't seen
>>> any failure to conform to C11.
>>>
>>> So far, I'm impressed.
>>>
>>
>> Oh, haha! Strange way to "support C11". It definitely doesn't,
>> but at least it confirmed being a Beta version (I'd say Alpha,
>> probably). However, thanks for bothering to install it.
>
> What do you mean it "definitely doesn't"?  I found two fairly minor
> bugs in the implementation, both with easy workarounds.  _Noreturn,
> _Generic, <threads.h>, _Static_assert, and the various predefined
> macros all seem to be ok.
>

Sorry, I thought you said it ironically, given the rate at which you
found the two bugs mentioned. Good then, I've never used it, but I should
give it a try. I think we'd better report any bug through that contact
form linked in the homepage.

-- 
Vincenzo Mercuri

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#25570

FromKeith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Date2012-08-30 13:47 -0700
Message-ID<lnmx1cumxm.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org>
In reply to#25525
Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> writes:
> Il 30/08/2012 13:00, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
[...]
>> What do you mean it "definitely doesn't"?  I found two fairly minor
>> bugs in the implementation, both with easy workarounds.  _Noreturn,
>> _Generic, <threads.h>, _Static_assert, and the various predefined
>> macros all seem to be ok.
>>
>
> Sorry, I thought you said it ironically, given the rate at which you
> found the two bugs mentioned. Good then, I've never used it, but I should
> give it a try. I think we'd better report any bug through that contact
> form linked in the homepage.

It looks like they want bug reports through their web forum at
<http://forum.pellesc.de/index.php>; bug reports are at
<http://forum.pellesc.de/index.php?board=3.0>.

My report on the <noreturn.h> problem is at
<http://forum.pellesc.de/index.php?topic=4733.0>.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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#25582

FromVincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it>
Date2012-08-30 23:24 +0200
Message-ID<O5-dnfR9ZKGTR6LNnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#25570
Il 30/08/2012 22:47, Keith Thompson ha scritto:
[..]
> It looks like they want bug reports through their web forum at
> <http://forum.pellesc.de/index.php>; bug reports are at
> <http://forum.pellesc.de/index.php?board=3.0>.
>
> My report on the <noreturn.h> problem is at
> <http://forum.pellesc.de/index.php?topic=4733.0>.
>

Great! Thanks.

-- 
Vincenzo Mercuri

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