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| Started by | jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> |
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| First post | 2012-08-23 20:05 +0200 |
| Last post | 2012-09-13 20:39 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 386 — 52 participants |
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Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 20:05 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-23 20:28 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:06 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 12:44 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 22:14 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 14:15 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-23 22:07 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-08-23 16:20 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 22:51 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 09:33 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:51 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 13:30 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 13:32 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 13:46 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 15:44 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear) - 2012-08-26 02:22 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-26 00:19 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear) - 2012-08-27 00:25 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 13:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language CRNG <Spam@uce.gov> - 2012-08-23 16:57 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-23 18:01 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 15:21 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-23 19:04 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-23 23:26 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 19:14 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 11:35 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 21:03 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 18:46 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 21:13 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 21:08 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:41 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:50 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:35 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 02:17 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 02:58 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-26 15:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:02 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Leo Havmøller <rtxleh@nospam.nospam> - 2012-08-24 06:52 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:00 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-23 23:16 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-24 00:06 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:18 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Leo Havmøller <rtxleh@nospam.nospam> - 2012-08-24 09:22 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:53 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 03:48 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 15:28 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:20 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:43 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 03:30 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:11 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:10 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:16 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 02:45 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:58 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:02 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 02:59 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 05:28 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 07:45 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-25 12:12 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 05:33 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-25 16:57 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:22 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 10:46 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 11:00 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:31 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 01:57 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 13:58 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:36 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 22:50 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 10:42 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 04:27 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-09-01 11:35 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-09-02 00:52 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:21 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:59 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:55 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 00:45 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:17 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:47 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-24 06:33 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 06:47 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:58 -0600
Alternatives to Windows APIs in Metro style apps "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:20 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-24 12:38 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-25 21:09 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-26 01:40 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-27 20:58 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 17:12 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:25 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:03 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:35 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-28 01:13 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-28 01:30 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:46 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:12 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:26 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 09:59 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 02:44 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 11:40 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 03:10 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 05:05 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-03 00:32 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 01:16 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 01:03 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:28 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-28 18:25 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-28 20:35 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-08-28 11:55 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 21:11 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 21:39 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-28 22:29 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:09 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-28 23:16 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:27 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 17:24 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:37 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 14:37 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:39 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 00:15 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 01:54 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 17:15 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 02:27 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-29 10:01 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 10:54 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-29 13:47 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-29 07:57 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 16:20 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-29 12:32 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 20:28 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 14:51 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:11 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 15:32 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:47 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:01 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2012-08-29 19:27 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:30 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 15:44 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2012-08-29 20:07 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:06 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-29 08:21 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 15:37 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 15:59 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 16:27 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 11:02 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 11:42 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 14:52 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 07:27 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-29 20:00 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 16:36 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:12 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-29 21:47 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 17:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 03:07 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 21:38 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 11:40 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-30 04:00 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 13:55 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-30 13:47 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 23:24 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-30 02:40 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 17:46 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-29 18:25 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-30 13:43 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-30 03:37 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-30 08:28 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-31 05:29 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-31 11:57 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-30 14:20 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-30 06:39 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-30 20:08 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-30 22:51 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-31 01:04 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 11:42 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-30 16:33 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 12:29 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 04:40 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-08-31 17:26 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 08:50 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-31 12:46 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-31 20:17 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-31 14:41 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-09-01 00:11 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 12:48 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-09-02 20:39 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-02 17:07 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 12:22 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 20:49 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 18:58 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Paul J Gans <gansno@panix.com> - 2012-09-03 02:15 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 22:10 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-03 10:16 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 12:10 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-03 13:06 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-04 12:16 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 12:24 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-04 20:14 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-04 17:38 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Edek Pienkowski <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2012-09-04 19:34 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 16:46 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Edek Pienkowski <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 08:26 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 13:40 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 15:30 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 16:05 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 17:01 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 17:21 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 21:17 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-03 00:24 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 18:06 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:07 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 18:36 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-02 20:38 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 20:00 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:25 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-03 11:52 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-31 11:56 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-01 13:45 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-01 12:29 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:47 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 12:41 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:46 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 14:08 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-01 11:54 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 20:05 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 08:55 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:43 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-04 09:25 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-04 17:50 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 19:32 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-04 22:58 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 22:09 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-05 10:13 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-05 08:59 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 07:57 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-06 17:30 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 13:16 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 07:13 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 21:25 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-06 15:18 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 00:42 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 11:28 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 22:44 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 18:59 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 01:10 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 22:45 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 05:18 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 14:29 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-08 07:16 -0700
Re: Reâ: â¬Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 15:58 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 17:39 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 10:21 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 22:29 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 15:04 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-09 00:24 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 20:47 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-06 17:22 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 13:12 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 08:51 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 16:57 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 19:40 +0300
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 22:46 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-09-10 17:02 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-10 22:49 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-09-11 11:13 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-10 22:44 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 07:18 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 21:11 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-06 16:57 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 02:27 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-06 15:40 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-09-08 09:54 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-08 01:23 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-10 10:48 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 14:29 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:49 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-02 15:15 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-31 21:58 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 14:02 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 12:55 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 19:21 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:44 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-01 21:56 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:48 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 02:04 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 19:07 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-08-31 11:57 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-31 11:05 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-31 21:10 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 11:54 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-30 08:02 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 14:57 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-28 21:19 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ais523 <ais523@bham.ac.uk> - 2012-08-28 22:07 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 14:36 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 09:40 +1200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 17:13 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 01:01 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 22:26 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-09-02 12:28 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 16:48 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language timprince <tprince@computer.org> - 2012-08-25 23:20 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 20:55 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 02:24 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 10:45 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 03:13 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Tim Prince <tprince@nospamcomputer.org> - 2012-08-26 11:01 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-26 13:53 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 21:54 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:46 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 08:52 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 01:16 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 11:24 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 04:07 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 13:09 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 09:17 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 16:36 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:02 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:18 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-28 13:14 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 10:03 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-08-31 17:44 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:12 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-09-03 11:39 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:22 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-09-03 12:54 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 19:47 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:34 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 01:26 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 02:53 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:36 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 03:17 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 04:37 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 00:35 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 11:00 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 03:16 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 11:06 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 05:02 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 15:14 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-26 15:22 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:35 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:38 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-27 10:56 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-27 21:21 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-28 02:42 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-27 20:02 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-28 10:51 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-28 03:52 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-28 12:47 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-28 18:25 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-29 11:25 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-26 11:06 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:01 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 07:33 -0400
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 00:13 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-26 11:17 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-26 14:22 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:30 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-26 22:43 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 00:32 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-27 01:02 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 01:42 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 03:00 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 10:49 +0100
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 04:14 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 04:18 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 10:56 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 03:40 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-27 04:05 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 15:13 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 23:47 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:16 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 01:48 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-28 14:10 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 17:14 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:45 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 10:01 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 02:54 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 13:45 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 23:28 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 13:58 -0500
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 00:20 -0600
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 15:24 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2012-08-27 00:48 +0000
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-13 19:46 +0200
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-09-13 13:32 -0700
Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-13 20:39 +0000
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-23 18:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5036A838.4000009@verizon.net> |
| In reply to | #24801 |
On 08/23/2012 05:57 PM, CRNG wrote: ... > Next step: Uninstall Win 8 and stick with WinXP until something > reasonable comes along. If you don't consider any of your currently available alternatives reasonable, you could be waiting a very long time - probably the entire rest of your life.
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| From | Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-23 15:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6bdbc8ff-fc1e-4829-9a51-9e1830b12a42@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #24802 |
בתאריך יום חמישי, 23 באוגוסט 2012 23:01:28 UTC+1, מאת James Kuyper: > On 08/23/2012 05:57 PM, CRNG wrote: > > > If you don't consider any of your currently available alternatives > reasonable, you could be waiting a very long time - probably the entire > rest of your life. > The Microsoft monopoly is no more. The mobile phone ate it away, together with allied devices such as e-readers and tablet computers. Apple's desktop computer business and Linux were also irritants, and have been growing. Though everyone moaned about the Microsoft offering, having one standard had some huge advantages. Now the industry is fragmented.
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| From | James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-23 19:04 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5036B702.6070300@verizon.net> |
| In reply to | #24804 |
On 08/23/2012 06:21 PM, Malcolm McLean wrote: > בתאריך יום חמישי, 23 באוגוסט 2012 23:01:28 UTC+1, מאת James Kuyper: >> On 08/23/2012 05:57 PM, CRNG wrote: >> >> >> If you don't consider any of your currently available alternatives >> reasonable, you could be waiting a very long time - probably the entire >> rest of your life. >> > The Microsoft monopoly is no more. The mobile phone ate it away, together > with allied devices such as e-readers and tablet computers. Apple's desktop > computer business and Linux were also irritants, and have been growing. Those are the alternatives I was referring to. It's a fairly good selection. If someone doesn't consider any of them acceptable, it may be a very long time before an alternative that they would consider acceptable shows up.
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| From | "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-23 23:26 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <k1738c$4sv$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24801 |
CRNG wrote: > Next step: Uninstall Win 8 and stick with WinXP until something > reasonable comes along. Win 7 (with Aero turned off). I've been using virtually the same desktop style since Win 95, so I don't see any value in major GUI changes on the desktop. I do admit that I hate the Win 7 Explorer (file manager) and search integration. I think they really f'd up with the emphasis on search over organization. Overall though, I find Win 7 a worthwhile improvement over Win XP for reasons other than the GUI.
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| From | Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-23 19:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <h9hd38pi5n1t8fvc7deiuf2s499118r4f0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #24771 |
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:05:20 +0200, jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> wrote: >This is a long story. It starts years ago since windows 3.1 and it ends >now, with "Metro". > >SO, I downloaded windows 8, and installed it. That went fairly smoothly >but I forgot that windows doesn't come with the remote desktop >connection. I tried by all means to allow it, but couldn't. There is a >client app that lets you connect to OTHER machines, but no server. A few >hours wasted but well, that's OK. > >Then, I tried installing the compiler. This small and fast software >takes only 5GB when installed, and the installation process is quite >fast, it took me just half a day. > >The problem is that it kept crashing when installing, but (eventually) I >discover the right procedure: When it crashes do as you always have done >under windows: > >REBOOT. > >That solves many things. I discover that if you try to restart the >installer without rebooting it will crash in a few seconds. I tried for >hours until I discovered that you have just to reboot and when you do >that, the installer goes on automatically, skipping the problem >apparently. > >Great! after hours of waiting I started Visual studio 2012. The >interface is great. It has a very similar flat look like in the old days >of windows 3.0. Everything is flat, the "buttons" the window borders, >everything, even lcc-win... > >I remember all those interface guidelines that recommended us to use the >3D controls, avoid a "flat" look, whatever, fad is fad and the current >fad is the best, of course. > >Then, I started looking at the documentation of the SDK. And then I >noticed that C is no longer mentioned ANYWHERE. The only reference is to >"managed C++" That is the Microsoft version of C++ stock full with >__gc_class, ref class etc. > >In the reference to C++ I found this: > >) The concept of a current working directory doesn't apply to Metro > style apps and there is no current drive. > > Also, corresponding APIs such as GetCurrentDirectory and > SetCurrentDirectory are not available in the MSDK. > > Say goodbye to: > chdir chdir chdrive wchdir getcwd getcwd getdcwd getdcwd_nolock > wgetcwd _wgetdcwd wgetdcwd_nolock > >2) Say goodbye to the console. Metro style apps are GUI only; they don't > support console. Goodbye stdin, stderr, stdout. > >3) Pipe functionality is not available to Metro style apps. > >4) Environment variables are not available to Metro style apps. Goodbye > to getenv, putenv, etc. > >5) A Metro style app cannot invoke another Metro style app or a > desktop app. Goodbye to system, spawnxxx execxxx etc. > >6) C strings are out. Goodbye strcpy strlwr strlen, etc. > >7) Low level I/O functions: fopen fwrite etc. These functions are > synchronous, which is not recommended for Metro style apps. In your > Metro style apps, use asynchronous APIs to open, read from, and > write to files to prevent locking of the UI thread. Examples of such > APIs are the ones in the Windows::Storage::FileIO class. > >Great. Welcome to the future. This means that lcc-win will never be able >to generate any "Metro" applications since all interfaces with the >system go through a COM interface that would be feasible to adapt but >what a pain! > >I just do not have the resources nor the will to follow Microsoft any >more in that direction. > >The controls we are used to since windows 3.0 have disappeared (the >famous group box, for instance)... Many others are different, anyway >you have to rewrite absolutely EVERYTHING AGAIN, as well as you have to >learn windows again. The famous "start" button has disappeared, the >interface is completely different, all the reflexes are now WRONG, >you have to look for a few minutes after you find how to TURN OFF windows > > >But I eventually find that button. > >Phew! The server and system side of things isn't going Metro any time soon. As for C applications in Metro, well, writing iOS apps in anything other than Objective-C is a right pain too. Or Android apps in something other than Java (yes, it's possible in all of these cases, but certainly not the easiest choice). But I do have more than a few mixed feeling about the whole Metro thing. On the one hand, the old Windows style interface simply does not work well on mobile devices, so if they're going to have to make a break, make it a big one, since the opportunities to do that happen so rarely. On the other hand, it's a freaking PITA for developers with existing applications... FWIW, Apple is no joy to work with either.
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| From | BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-24 11:35 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k18aln$4be$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #24810 |
On 8/23/2012 7:14 PM, Robert Wessel wrote: > On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:05:20 +0200, jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> > wrote: > >> This is a long story. It starts years ago since windows 3.1 and it ends >> now, with "Metro". >> >> SO, I downloaded windows 8, and installed it. That went fairly smoothly >> but I forgot that windows doesn't come with the remote desktop >> connection. I tried by all means to allow it, but couldn't. There is a >> client app that lets you connect to OTHER machines, but no server. A few >> hours wasted but well, that's OK. >> >> Then, I tried installing the compiler. This small and fast software >> takes only 5GB when installed, and the installation process is quite >> fast, it took me just half a day. >> >> The problem is that it kept crashing when installing, but (eventually) I >> discover the right procedure: When it crashes do as you always have done >> under windows: >> >> REBOOT. >> >> That solves many things. I discover that if you try to restart the >> installer without rebooting it will crash in a few seconds. I tried for >> hours until I discovered that you have just to reboot and when you do >> that, the installer goes on automatically, skipping the problem >> apparently. >> >> Great! after hours of waiting I started Visual studio 2012. The >> interface is great. It has a very similar flat look like in the old days >> of windows 3.0. Everything is flat, the "buttons" the window borders, >> everything, even lcc-win... >> >> I remember all those interface guidelines that recommended us to use the >> 3D controls, avoid a "flat" look, whatever, fad is fad and the current >> fad is the best, of course. >> >> Then, I started looking at the documentation of the SDK. And then I >> noticed that C is no longer mentioned ANYWHERE. The only reference is to >> "managed C++" That is the Microsoft version of C++ stock full with >> __gc_class, ref class etc. >> >> In the reference to C++ I found this: >> >> ) The concept of a current working directory doesn't apply to Metro >> style apps and there is no current drive. >> >> Also, corresponding APIs such as GetCurrentDirectory and >> SetCurrentDirectory are not available in the MSDK. >> >> Say goodbye to: >> chdir chdir chdrive wchdir getcwd getcwd getdcwd getdcwd_nolock >> wgetcwd _wgetdcwd wgetdcwd_nolock >> >> 2) Say goodbye to the console. Metro style apps are GUI only; they don't >> support console. Goodbye stdin, stderr, stdout. >> >> 3) Pipe functionality is not available to Metro style apps. >> >> 4) Environment variables are not available to Metro style apps. Goodbye >> to getenv, putenv, etc. >> >> 5) A Metro style app cannot invoke another Metro style app or a >> desktop app. Goodbye to system, spawnxxx execxxx etc. >> >> 6) C strings are out. Goodbye strcpy strlwr strlen, etc. >> >> 7) Low level I/O functions: fopen fwrite etc. These functions are >> synchronous, which is not recommended for Metro style apps. In your >> Metro style apps, use asynchronous APIs to open, read from, and >> write to files to prevent locking of the UI thread. Examples of such >> APIs are the ones in the Windows::Storage::FileIO class. >> >> Great. Welcome to the future. This means that lcc-win will never be able >> to generate any "Metro" applications since all interfaces with the >> system go through a COM interface that would be feasible to adapt but >> what a pain! >> >> I just do not have the resources nor the will to follow Microsoft any >> more in that direction. >> >> The controls we are used to since windows 3.0 have disappeared (the >> famous group box, for instance)... Many others are different, anyway >> you have to rewrite absolutely EVERYTHING AGAIN, as well as you have to >> learn windows again. The famous "start" button has disappeared, the >> interface is completely different, all the reflexes are now WRONG, >> you have to look for a few minutes after you find how to TURN OFF windows >> >> >> But I eventually find that button. >> >> Phew! > > > The server and system side of things isn't going Metro any time soon. > As for C applications in Metro, well, writing iOS apps in anything > other than Objective-C is a right pain too. Or Android apps in > something other than Java (yes, it's possible in all of these cases, > but certainly not the easiest choice). > > But I do have more than a few mixed feeling about the whole Metro > thing. On the one hand, the old Windows style interface simply does > not work well on mobile devices, so if they're going to have to make a > break, make it a big one, since the opportunities to do that happen so > rarely. On the other hand, it's a freaking PITA for developers with > existing applications... > > FWIW, Apple is no joy to work with either. > AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development tools be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due mostly to severe developer backlash. as-is, I have been seeing if ever MS would do something so incredibly stupid as to sway the cost/benefit tradeoffs generally in favor of Linux, but this hasn't happened yet, as most of their more extreme(-ly bad) ideas have tended to go over poorly and they have backed off. will see about the future though...
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| From | jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-24 21:03 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <k18j6l$saf$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24860 |
Le 24/08/12 18:35, BGB a écrit : > AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development tools > be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due mostly to > severe developer backlash. You understand that the transition from windows 16 bits to windows 32 in 1995 was a fairly easy porting job. All the calls and structure of windows remained the same, the languages remained the same, and the overall design of the API remained the same. We face now a complete rewrite of everything Win32 programmers have developed over those 15 years. Everything: all the code, resources design application design everything. You start from scratch. Hi Guys! Here is Microsoft. You have trusted us with your code, well... bad luck. Just start again. Learn our new proprietary technology XYZ, the best that you have ever know. All your code is now "legacy", and you can forget it: there is no need for that since XYZ is the best of the best. Some people think that they will only be forced to rewrite the UI in Metro but can keep the rest. Maybe, but since pipes are banned, and Metro applications can start an application or a new thread how are they going to communicate with the rest of the application? Of course: by writing files! :-) But maybe there will be a huge market for people that do not want Metro and want to go on using Win32...
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| From | BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-24 18:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k193tf$nep$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #24868 |
On 8/24/2012 2:03 PM, jacob navia wrote: > Le 24/08/12 18:35, BGB a écrit : >> AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development tools >> be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due mostly to >> severe developer backlash. > > You understand that the transition from windows 16 bits to windows 32 in > 1995 was a fairly easy porting job. All the calls and structure of > windows remained the same, the languages remained the same, and the > overall design of the API remained the same. > > We face now a complete rewrite of everything Win32 programmers have > developed over those 15 years. Everything: all the code, resources > design application design everything. You start from scratch. > > Hi Guys! > > Here is Microsoft. You have trusted us with your code, well... bad luck. > Just start again. Learn our new proprietary technology XYZ, the best > that you have ever know. All your code is now "legacy", and you can > forget it: there is no need for that since XYZ is the best of the best. > > Some people think that they will only be forced to rewrite the UI in > Metro but can keep the rest. Maybe, but since pipes are banned, and > Metro applications can start an application or a new thread how are they > going to communicate with the rest of the application? > > Of course: by writing files! > > :-) > > But maybe there will be a huge market for people that do not want > Metro and want to go on using Win32... > well, there *was* a reason for the backlash... otherwise, besides pipes, loopback sockets would probably still be around, and people can more-or-less fake pipes via sockets.
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| From | "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-24 21:13 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <k19fs8$osg$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24868 |
jacob navia wrote: > We face now a complete rewrite of everything Win32 programmers have > developed over those 15 years. Everything: all the code, resources > design application design everything. You start from scratch. > > Hi Guys! > > Here is Microsoft. You have trusted us with your code, well... bad > luck. Just start again. Learn our new proprietary technology XYZ, the > best that you have ever know. All your code is now "legacy", and you > can forget it: there is no need for that since XYZ is the best of the > best. > Some people think that they will only be forced to rewrite the UI in > Metro but can keep the rest. Maybe, but since pipes are banned, and > Metro applications can start an application or a new thread how are > they going to communicate with the rest of the application? > > Of course: by writing files! > > :-) > > But maybe there will be a huge market for people that do not want > Metro and want to go on using Win32... More wild flailing from you.
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| From | "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-24 21:08 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <k19fs6$osg$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24860 |
BGB wrote: > AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development tools > be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due mostly to > severe developer backlash. That is ludicrous to think that. Think about it a minute. Do you really think that MS would throw away everything they ever did up until now because of a touch UI? C'mon. Really now, c'mon. There was some rumor about the free versions of the tools being Metro-only, but we'll never know what was planned because now they are making the free tools for desktop development available. Has this group all taken sensationalism drugs or what? > > as-is, I have been seeing if ever MS would do something so incredibly > stupid as to sway the cost/benefit tradeoffs generally in favor of > Linux, but this hasn't happened yet, as most of their more extreme(-ly > bad) ideas have tended to go over poorly and they have backed off. > > > will see about the future though...
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| From | BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-25 10:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k1arsp$quc$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #24881 |
On 8/24/2012 10:08 PM, Ansel wrote: > BGB wrote: > >> AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development tools >> be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due mostly to >> severe developer backlash. > > That is ludicrous to think that. Think about it a minute. Do you really > think that MS would throw away everything they ever did up until now because > of a touch UI? C'mon. Really now, c'mon. There was some rumor about the free > versions of the tools being Metro-only, but we'll never know what was > planned because now they are making the free tools for desktop development > available. Has this group all taken sensationalism drugs or what? > actually, MS does this a lot, though usually it is more like: they have their new fancy stuff, and they want everyone to use it; people continue doing stuff the old way; MS realizes maybe it wasn't so great after all. from what I had heard the idea was that they were planning on basically making any new development on the platform have to use their new stuff (presumably older software and third-party tools would still work though). it was at this point that there was backlash, and their changed their position, and decided to allow traditional software to still be developed with the new tools as well. granted, most of what I heard about it came from various online forums though... >> >> as-is, I have been seeing if ever MS would do something so incredibly >> stupid as to sway the cost/benefit tradeoffs generally in favor of >> Linux, but this hasn't happened yet, as most of their more extreme(-ly >> bad) ideas have tended to go over poorly and they have backed off. >> >> >> will see about the future though... > >
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| From | 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-25 10:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <f97d5cf2-5cfb-4dba-a07a-04d93f23e156@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #24919 |
BGB於 2012年8月25日星期六UTC+8下午11時41分35秒寫道： > On 8/24/2012 10:08 PM, Ansel wrote: > > > BGB wrote: > > > > > >> AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development tools > > >> be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due mostly to > > >> severe developer backlash. > > > > > > That is ludicrous to think that. Think about it a minute. Do you really > > > think that MS would throw away everything they ever did up until now because > > > of a touch UI? C'mon. Really now, c'mon. There was some rumor about the free > > > versions of the tools being Metro-only, but we'll never know what was > > > planned because now they are making the free tools for desktop development > > > available. Has this group all taken sensationalism drugs or what? > > > > > > > actually, MS does this a lot, though usually it is more like: > > they have their new fancy stuff, and they want everyone to use it; > > people continue doing stuff the old way; > > MS realizes maybe it wasn't so great after all. > > > > > > from what I had heard the idea was that they were planning on basically > > making any new development on the platform have to use their new stuff > > (presumably older software and third-party tools would still work though). > > > > it was at this point that there was backlash, and their changed their > > position, and decided to allow traditional software to still be > > developed with the new tools as well. > > > > > > granted, most of what I heard about it came from various online forums > > though... > > > > > > >> > > >> as-is, I have been seeing if ever MS would do something so incredibly > > >> stupid as to sway the cost/benefit tradeoffs generally in favor of > > >> Linux, but this hasn't happened yet, as most of their more extreme(-ly > > >> bad) ideas have tended to go over poorly and they have backed off. > > >> > > >> > > >> will see about the future though... > > > > > > Lets think in the OSI model. For those peripheral makers of the Wintel platform, they still have to think and write programs or drivers to talk to the OS level and the AP level that both do not need to know the details of the attached devices.
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| From | "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-25 22:35 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <k1c92m$r7l$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24919 |
BGB wrote: > On 8/24/2012 10:08 PM, Ansel wrote: >> BGB wrote: >> >>> AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development >>> tools be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due >>> mostly to severe developer backlash. >> >> That is ludicrous to think that. Think about it a minute. Do you >> really think that MS would throw away everything they ever did up >> until now because of a touch UI? C'mon. Really now, c'mon. There was >> some rumor about the free versions of the tools being Metro-only, >> but we'll never know what was planned because now they are making >> the free tools for desktop development available. Has this group all >> taken sensationalism drugs or what? > > actually, MS does this a lot, though usually it is more like: > they have their new fancy stuff, and they want everyone to use it; > people continue doing stuff the old way; > MS realizes maybe it wasn't so great after all. > > > from what I had heard the idea was that they were planning on > basically making any new development on the platform have to use > their new stuff (presumably older software and third-party tools > would still work though). > it was at this point that there was backlash, and their changed their > position, and decided to allow traditional software to still be > developed with the new tools as well. Like I said, that is a ludicrous thought. Overnight, just go and dump decades of product technology evolution and mindshare for a stupid-little touch UI paradigm? C'mon! > > granted, most of what I heard about it came from various online forums > though... > Have a link?
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| From | BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-26 02:17 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k1cioe$116$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #24976 |
On 8/25/2012 11:35 PM, Ansel wrote: > BGB wrote: >> On 8/24/2012 10:08 PM, Ansel wrote: >>> BGB wrote: >>> >>>> AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development >>>> tools be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due >>>> mostly to severe developer backlash. >>> >>> That is ludicrous to think that. Think about it a minute. Do you >>> really think that MS would throw away everything they ever did up >>> until now because of a touch UI? C'mon. Really now, c'mon. There was >>> some rumor about the free versions of the tools being Metro-only, >>> but we'll never know what was planned because now they are making >>> the free tools for desktop development available. Has this group all >>> taken sensationalism drugs or what? >> >> actually, MS does this a lot, though usually it is more like: >> they have their new fancy stuff, and they want everyone to use it; >> people continue doing stuff the old way; >> MS realizes maybe it wasn't so great after all. >> >> >> from what I had heard the idea was that they were planning on >> basically making any new development on the platform have to use >> their new stuff (presumably older software and third-party tools >> would still work though). >> it was at this point that there was backlash, and their changed their >> position, and decided to allow traditional software to still be >> developed with the new tools as well. > > Like I said, that is a ludicrous thought. Overnight, just go and dump > decades of product technology evolution and mindshare for a stupid-little > touch UI paradigm? C'mon! > presumably people who wanted to keep using the older technology would just stick with VS2008 or VS2010 or something?... they did apparently want people to give up C and C++ and adopt .NET and C# though, but people like myself were just like "whatever" and continued using languages like C and C++... (partly a notable reason I didn't use C# for much of anything serious was, ironically, because Mono kind of sucked and its C++/CLI support was broken, so it would have left things mostly as Windows-only). >> >> granted, most of what I heard about it came from various online forums >> though... >> > > Have a link? > not off-hand. not terribly inclined to go try to look it up at the moment.
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| From | "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-26 02:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <k1coes$pqt$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24994 |
BGB wrote: > On 8/25/2012 11:35 PM, Ansel wrote: >> BGB wrote: >>> On 8/24/2012 10:08 PM, Ansel wrote: >>>> BGB wrote: >>>> >>>>> AFAIK, MS was originally going to make the Windows 8 development >>>>> tools be Metro-only, but from what I heard they backed down due >>>>> mostly to severe developer backlash. >>>> >>>> That is ludicrous to think that. Think about it a minute. Do you >>>> really think that MS would throw away everything they ever did up >>>> until now because of a touch UI? C'mon. Really now, c'mon. There >>>> was some rumor about the free versions of the tools being >>>> Metro-only, but we'll never know what was planned because now they >>>> are making the free tools for desktop development available. Has >>>> this group all taken sensationalism drugs or what? >>> >>> actually, MS does this a lot, though usually it is more like: >>> they have their new fancy stuff, and they want everyone to use it; >>> people continue doing stuff the old way; >>> MS realizes maybe it wasn't so great after all. >>> >>> >>> from what I had heard the idea was that they were planning on >>> basically making any new development on the platform have to use >>> their new stuff (presumably older software and third-party tools >>> would still work though). >>> it was at this point that there was backlash, and their changed >>> their position, and decided to allow traditional software to still >>> be developed with the new tools as well. >> >> Like I said, that is a ludicrous thought. Overnight, just go and dump >> decades of product technology evolution and mindshare for a >> stupid-little touch UI paradigm? C'mon! >> > > presumably people who wanted to keep using the older technology would > just stick with VS2008 or VS2010 or something?... I don't believe an idea like that would live more than a few seconds in any meeting at MS, and I think it is preposterous for anyone to think so. > > they did apparently want people to give up C and C++ and adopt .NET > and C# though, A few years ago, yes. > but people like myself were just like "whatever" and > continued using languages like C and C++... Or their own developers didn't like it much either maybe, especially their top-dog C++ afficionados (Herb Sutter?)? What are the applications programs, if any, that are critical to have on Windows from a party other than from MS that would be significantly detrimental to sales of Windows? On my Win 7 + MS Office Pro desktop machine, I can't, off the top of my head, think of any software on it that I actually paid for (and I don't have any pirated software) and same for the Win XP setup I had previously, so that's why I ask. A programming language NG may be the wrong place to ask this. > > (partly a notable reason I didn't use C# for much of anything serious > was, ironically, because Mono kind of sucked and its C++/CLI support > was broken, so it would have left things mostly as Windows-only). > > >>> >>> granted, most of what I heard about it came from various online >>> forums though... >>> >> >> Have a link? >> > > not off-hand. So hearsay times two then. > > not terribly inclined to go try to look it up at the moment.
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| From | Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> |
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| Date | 2012-08-26 15:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <k1e15n$kr2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #24999 |
On 26-Aug-12 03:58, Ansel wrote: > What are the applications programs, if any, that are critical to have > on Windows from a party other than from MS that would be significantly > detrimental to sales of Windows? Games. If MS dropped support for games, forcing all of those customers to switch to Linux or Mac, that would be seriously detrimental to the sales of Windows. In fact, one can look at the Xbox as an attempt to keep Windows relevant to games developers: they can target two platforms for only slightly more than the cost of one. After all, there must be a reason they're willing to pour billions of dollars into that money pit every year, right? They're not idiots. Pretty much everything else is either company- or industry-specific, which would not threaten Windows as a whole; competes with Office or something included with Windows, which again does not really threaten Windows as a whole; or is open source. > On my Win 7 + MS Office Pro desktop machine, I can't, off the top of > my head, think of any software on it that I actually paid for (and I > don't have any pirated software) and same for the Win XP setup I had > previously, so that's why I ask. I've got some non-MS commercial software on my machine, either internal apps my company wrote or stuff we bought to support specific business functions. Most of the proprietary "applications" I use today are web-based, and that's the real threat MS faces because it makes the desktop OS completely irrelevant. Indeed, many of my coworkers use Linux or Mac, something that was infeasible just ten years ago. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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| From | "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> |
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| Date | 2012-09-01 23:02 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <k1up89$r1v$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #25032 |
Stephen Sprunk wrote: > On 26-Aug-12 03:58, Ansel wrote: >> What are the applications programs, if any, that are critical to have >> on Windows from a party other than from MS that would be >> significantly detrimental to sales of Windows? > > Games. > > If MS dropped support for games, forcing all of those customers to > switch to Linux or Mac, that would be seriously detrimental to the > sales of Windows. In fact, one can look at the Xbox as an attempt to > keep Windows relevant to games developers: they can target two > platforms for only slightly more than the cost of one. After all, > there must be a reason they're willing to pour billions of dollars > into that money pit every year, right? They're not idiots. > > Pretty much everything else is either company- or industry-specific, > which would not threaten Windows as a whole; competes with Office or > something included with Windows, which again does not really threaten > Windows as a whole; or is open source. > >> On my Win 7 + MS Office Pro desktop machine, I can't, off the top of >> my head, think of any software on it that I actually paid for (and I >> don't have any pirated software) and same for the Win XP setup I had >> previously, so that's why I ask. > > I've got some non-MS commercial software on my machine, either > internal apps my company wrote or stuff we bought to support specific > business functions. Most of the proprietary "applications" I use > today are web-based, and that's the real threat MS faces because it > makes the desktop OS completely irrelevant. Indeed, many of my > coworkers use Linux or Mac, something that was infeasible just ten > years ago. > Oooo, yes. Very good answer, very key I think, I don't KNOW this area and its pervasiveness, but I believe you. I would have NEVER considered that (for I can't fathom how so many adolescents (males between the ages of teen to 60?) waste so much time on such useless shit). It's a sad state of affairs. (And I used to like to play arcade games (Space Invaders era, got disinterested when the animated "games" appeared: boring!) in HS and a few years beyond!).
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| From | Leo Havmøller <rtxleh@nospam.nospam> |
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| Date | 2012-08-24 06:52 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <k171ao$1b5$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24771 |
> SO, I downloaded windows 8, and installed it. That went fairly smoothly > but I forgot that windows doesn't come with the remote desktop connection. Remote desktop is included from W8 pro and up (I'm using W8 enterprise, since i'm on a domain). Google "windows 8 editions" for comparsion. <snip a lot about VS2012 and metro> It seems that you downloaded VS2012 express for metro. What you want is VS2012 expess for desktop, which will be released later. Any of the VS2012 paid versions include both, and also the corresponding docs. Leo Havmøller.
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| From | jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-24 09:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <k178qs$fsi$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24814 |
Le 24/08/12 06:52, Leo Havmøller a écrit : >> SO, I downloaded windows 8, and installed it. That went fairly smoothly >> but I forgot that windows doesn't come with the remote desktop >> connection. > > Remote desktop is included from W8 pro and up (I'm using W8 enterprise, > since i'm on a domain). > Google "windows 8 editions" for comparsion. > I know but when I downloaded it, I got my product key ( I have bought an expensive MSDN subscription) it would not be recognized. No way out. MSDN France didn't know what to do either. > <snip a lot about VS2012 and metro> > > It seems that you downloaded VS2012 express for metro. No, I downloaded VS Professional. > What you want is VS2012 expess for desktop, which will be released later. > Any of the VS2012 paid versions include both, and also the corresponding > docs. > > Leo Havmøller. Visual Studio 2012 does allow to compile applications for C with the same limitations as for VS 2010.
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| From | "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-23 23:16 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <k172n1$3s6$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #24771 |
What is your confusion? A console app, a desktop app, a metro app, services, are separate paradigms. They are all available on Windows 8. Pick your poison. You seem to be flailing wildly for no apparent reason. Every whiz-bang UI paradigm is not obligated to support the C programming model. Separate UI code from application (reuseable) code. The serious stuff gets done in modules separate from the UI (in any significant, well-designed application program). jacob navia wrote: > ) The concept of a current working directory doesn't apply to Metro > style apps and there is no current drive. > > Also, corresponding APIs such as GetCurrentDirectory and > SetCurrentDirectory are not available in the MSDK. > > Say goodbye to: > chdir chdir chdrive wchdir getcwd getcwd getdcwd getdcwd_nolock > wgetcwd _wgetdcwd wgetdcwd_nolock > > 2) Say goodbye to the console. Metro style apps are GUI only; they > don't support console. Goodbye stdin, stderr, stdout. > > 3) Pipe functionality is not available to Metro style apps. > > 4) Environment variables are not available to Metro style apps. > Goodbye to getenv, putenv, etc. > > 5) A Metro style app cannot invoke another Metro style app or a > desktop app. Goodbye to system, spawnxxx execxxx etc. > > 6) C strings are out. Goodbye strcpy strlwr strlen, etc. > > 7) Low level I/O functions: fopen fwrite etc. These functions are > synchronous, which is not recommended for Metro style apps. In your > Metro style apps, use asynchronous APIs to open, read from, and > write to files to prevent locking of the UI thread. Examples of > such APIs are the ones in the Windows::Storage::FileIO class. > > Great. Welcome to the future. This means that lcc-win will never be > able to generate any "Metro" applications since all interfaces with > the system go through a COM interface that would be feasible to adapt > but what a pain! > > I just do not have the resources nor the will to follow Microsoft any > more in that direction. > > The controls we are used to since windows 3.0 have disappeared (the > famous group box, for instance)... Many others are different, anyway > you have to rewrite absolutely EVERYTHING AGAIN, as well as you have > to learn windows again. The famous "start" button has disappeared, the > interface is completely different, all the reflexes are now WRONG, > you have to look for a few minutes after you find how to TURN OFF > windows > > But I eventually find that button. > > Phew!
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