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Microsoft abandons the C language

Started byjacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
First post2012-08-23 20:05 +0200
Last post2012-09-13 20:39 +0000
Articles 20 on this page of 386 — 52 participants

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  Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 20:05 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-23 20:28 +0200
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 21:06 +0100
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 12:44 -0700
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 22:14 +0200
      Re‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 14:15 -0700
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-23 22:07 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2012-08-23 16:20 -0400
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-23 22:51 +0200
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 09:33 +0200
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:51 +0200
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 13:30 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 13:32 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Daniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu> - 2012-08-24 13:46 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 15:44 -0400
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear) - 2012-08-26 02:22 +0000
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-26 00:19 -0500
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear) - 2012-08-27 00:25 +0000
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 13:51 -0700
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language CRNG <Spam@uce.gov> - 2012-08-23 16:57 -0500
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-23 18:01 -0400
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 15:21 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-23 19:04 -0400
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-23 23:26 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-23 19:14 -0500
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 11:35 -0500
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 21:03 +0200
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 18:46 -0500
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 21:13 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 21:08 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:41 -0500
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:50 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:35 -0600
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 02:17 -0500
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 02:58 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-26 15:32 -0500
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:02 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Leo Havmøller <rtxleh@nospam.nospam> - 2012-08-24 06:52 +0200
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:00 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-23 23:16 -0600
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-24 00:06 -0700
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:18 +0200
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Leo Havmøller <rtxleh@nospam.nospam> - 2012-08-24 09:22 +0200
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-24 09:53 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 03:48 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2012-08-24 15:28 -0400
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:20 +0100
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:43 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 03:30 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:11 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:10 -0600
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:16 +0100
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 02:45 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 10:58 +0100
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:02 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 02:59 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 05:28 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-25 07:45 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-25 12:12 +0100
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 05:33 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-25 16:57 +0100
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:22 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 10:46 +0100
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 11:00 -0500
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:31 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 01:57 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-25 13:58 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:36 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language 88888 Dihedral <dihedral88888@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-25 22:50 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 10:42 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 04:27 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-09-01 11:35 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-09-02 00:52 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:21 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:16 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:59 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 22:55 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-24 00:45 -0700
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:17 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:47 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-24 06:33 -0500
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-25 06:47 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-25 23:58 -0600
    Alternatives to Windows APIs in Metro style apps "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-24 04:20 -0600
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-24 12:38 +0200
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-25 21:09 +0000
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-26 01:40 +0200
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-27 20:58 +0000
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-27 17:12 -0400
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:25 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:03 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-27 15:35 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-28 01:13 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-28 01:30 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:46 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:12 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 23:26 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 09:59 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 02:44 -0600
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 11:40 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 03:10 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 05:05 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-03 00:32 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 01:16 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 01:03 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:28 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-28 18:25 +0000
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-28 20:35 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-08-28 11:55 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 21:11 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 21:39 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-28 22:29 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:09 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.invalid> - 2012-08-28 23:16 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:27 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 17:24 -0400
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:37 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 14:37 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-28 23:39 +0200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 00:15 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 01:54 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 17:15 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 02:27 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-29 10:01 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 10:54 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-29 13:47 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-29 07:57 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 16:20 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-29 12:32 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 20:28 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 14:51 -0400
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:11 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 15:32 -0400
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:47 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:01 +0200
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2012-08-29 19:27 +0000
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 21:30 +0200
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 15:44 -0400
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2012-08-29 20:07 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:06 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-29 08:21 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 15:37 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-29 15:59 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 16:27 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 11:02 -0400
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 11:42 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 14:52 -0400
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 07:27 -0400
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language rashid <nospam@nospam.com> - 2012-08-29 20:00 +0000
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 16:36 -0400
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-29 23:12 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-29 21:47 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 17:51 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 03:07 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 21:38 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 11:40 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-30 04:00 -0700
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 13:55 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-30 13:47 -0700
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Vincenzo Mercuri <vincenzo.mercuri@yahoo.it> - 2012-08-30 23:24 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-30 02:40 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-29 17:46 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-29 18:25 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-30 13:43 +1200
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-30 03:37 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-30 08:28 -0400
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-31 05:29 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-31 11:57 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-30 14:20 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-30 06:39 -0700
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-30 20:08 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-30 22:51 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-31 01:04 +0200
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 11:42 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-30 16:33 -0700
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 12:29 +0100
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 04:40 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-08-31 17:26 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 08:50 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-31 12:46 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-08-31 20:17 +0200
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-31 14:41 -0400
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-09-01 00:11 +0200
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 12:48 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Anders Wegge Keller <wegge@wegge.dk> - 2012-09-02 20:39 +0200
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-02 17:07 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 12:22 +0100
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 20:49 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 18:58 -0700
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Paul J Gans <gansno@panix.com> - 2012-09-03 02:15 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 22:10 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-03 10:16 +0100
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 12:10 +0100
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-03 13:06 -0700
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-04 12:16 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 12:24 -0700
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Angel <angel+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-04 20:14 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-04 17:38 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Edek Pienkowski <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2012-09-04 19:34 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-04 16:46 -0700
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Edek Pienkowski <edek.pienkowski@gmail.com> - 2012-09-05 08:26 +0000
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 13:40 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 15:30 -0500
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 16:05 -0500
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 17:01 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 17:21 -0500
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 21:17 -0500
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-03 00:24 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 18:06 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:07 +1200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-02 18:36 -0500
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-02 20:38 -0400
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 20:00 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:25 +0100
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-09-03 11:52 -0500
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-31 11:56 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-01 13:45 -0500
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-01 12:29 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:47 -0600
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 12:41 -0700
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:46 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 14:08 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-01 11:54 +1200
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 20:05 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 08:55 +1200
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:43 +0100
                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-04 09:25 +1200
                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-04 17:50 +0200
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 19:32 +0000
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-04 22:58 +0200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-04 22:09 +0000
                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-05 10:13 +1200
                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-05 08:59 +0200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-05 07:57 -0700
                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-06 17:30 +1200
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 13:16 +0100
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 07:13 +1200
                                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 21:25 +0100
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-06 15:18 -0700
                                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 00:42 +0100
                                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 11:28 -0400
                                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 22:44 +0100
                                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 18:59 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 01:10 +0100
                                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-07 22:45 -0400
                                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 05:18 -0700
                                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 14:29 +0100
                                                                          Re‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-08 07:16 -0700
                                                                            Re: Re‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 15:58 +0100
                                                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 17:39 +0100
                                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 10:21 -0700
                                                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-08 22:29 +0100
                                                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-08 15:04 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-09 00:24 +0100
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 20:47 +1200
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-06 17:22 +1200
                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 13:12 +0100
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ImpalerCore <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2012-09-06 08:51 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 16:57 +0100
                                                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-07 19:40 +0300
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 22:46 +0100
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-09-10 17:02 -0400
                                                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-10 22:49 +0000
                                                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-09-11 11:13 -0400
                                                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-10 22:44 +0000
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-07 07:18 +1200
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-06 21:11 +0100
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-06 16:57 -0700
                                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-09-07 02:27 +0100
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-06 15:40 +0000
                                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-09-08 09:54 +0200
                                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-08 01:23 -0700
                                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-09-10 10:48 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-02 14:29 -0700
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:49 +0100
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-02 15:15 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-31 21:58 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-31 14:02 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-09-02 12:55 -0500
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 19:21 +0100
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-01 22:44 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Don't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2012-09-01 21:56 -0700
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:48 -0600
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-03 02:04 -0700
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-02 19:07 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2012-08-31 11:57 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-31 11:05 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-31 21:10 -0500
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 11:54 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-30 08:02 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 14:57 -0400
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-28 21:19 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language ais523 <ais523@bham.ac.uk> - 2012-08-28 22:07 +0000
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 14:36 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 09:40 +1200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-28 17:13 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-29 01:01 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 22:26 -0400
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Chicken McNuggets <chicken@mcnuggets.com> - 2012-09-02 12:28 +0100
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 16:48 -0700
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language timprince <tprince@computer.org> - 2012-08-25 23:20 -0400
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-25 20:55 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-26 02:24 -0500
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 10:45 +0200
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 03:13 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Tim Prince <tprince@nospamcomputer.org> - 2012-08-26 11:01 -0400
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-26 13:53 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 21:54 -0600
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:46 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 08:52 +0200
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 01:16 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-27 11:24 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 04:07 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 13:09 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 09:17 -0500
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 16:36 +0200
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:02 -0600
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 22:18 -0600
                                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-28 13:14 +0200
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-28 10:03 -0400
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language lawrence.jones@siemens.com - 2012-08-31 17:44 -0400
                                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:12 -0600
                                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-09-03 11:39 +0200
                                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-09-03 11:22 +0100
                                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-09-03 12:54 +0200
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 19:47 +0100
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:34 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 01:26 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 02:53 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:36 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 03:17 -0700
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 04:37 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 00:35 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 11:00 +0200
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 03:16 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-26 11:06 +0100
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 05:02 -0600
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-08-26 15:14 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language superpollo <superpollo@tznvy.pbz> - 2012-08-26 15:22 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:35 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:38 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-27 10:56 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-27 21:21 +0100
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-28 02:42 +0200
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-27 20:02 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-28 10:51 +0100
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-28 03:52 -0700
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-08-28 12:47 +0100
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2012-08-28 18:25 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language s0suk3@gmail.com - 2012-08-29 11:25 -0700
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-26 11:06 -0700
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:01 -0600
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-08-29 07:33 -0400
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 00:13 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-26 11:17 -0500
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-08-26 14:22 -0500
          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-26 22:30 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-26 22:43 -0700
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 00:32 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-27 01:02 -0700
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 01:42 -0700
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 03:00 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 10:49 +0100
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 04:14 -0600
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 04:18 -0600
                Re: Microsoft abandons the C language David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-27 10:56 +0200
                  Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 03:40 -0600
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-08-27 04:05 -0700
                    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 15:13 -0500
                      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 23:47 -0600
                        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 09:16 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 01:48 -0600
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language BruceS <bruces42@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-28 14:10 +0000
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-08-28 17:14 +0200
                          Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 01:45 -0600
                            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-02 10:01 +0200
                              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Anse" <blankone23@framebuilder.net> - 2012-09-02 02:54 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 13:45 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-27 23:28 -0600
            Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2012-08-27 13:58 -0500
              Re: Microsoft abandons the C language "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-28 00:20 -0600
        Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Adrian Ratnapala <adrian.ratnapala@gmail.com> - 2012-08-26 15:24 -0700
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2012-08-27 00:48 +0000
    Re: Microsoft abandons the C language jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> - 2012-09-13 19:46 +0200
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2012-09-13 13:32 -0700
      Re: Microsoft abandons the C language Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-13 20:39 +0000

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#24771 — Microsoft abandons the C language

Fromjacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
Date2012-08-23 20:05 +0200
SubjectMicrosoft abandons the C language
Message-ID<k15rct$jli$1@speranza.aioe.org>
This is a long story. It starts years ago since windows 3.1 and it ends 
now, with "Metro".

SO, I downloaded windows 8, and installed it. That went fairly smoothly
but I forgot that windows doesn't come with the remote desktop 
connection. I tried by all means to allow it, but couldn't. There is a 
client app that lets you connect to OTHER machines, but no server. A few 
hours wasted but well, that's OK.

Then, I tried installing the compiler. This small and fast software
takes only 5GB when installed, and the installation process is quite
fast, it took me just half a day.

The problem is that it kept crashing when installing, but (eventually) I 
discover the right procedure: When it crashes do as you always have done 
under windows:

REBOOT.

That solves many things. I discover that if you try to restart the 
installer without rebooting it will crash in a few seconds. I tried for
hours until I discovered that you have just to reboot and when you do 
that, the installer goes on automatically, skipping the problem
apparently.

Great! after hours of waiting I started Visual studio 2012. The 
interface is great. It has a very similar flat look like in the old days 
of windows 3.0. Everything is flat, the "buttons" the window borders, 
everything, even lcc-win...

I remember all those interface guidelines that recommended us to use the 
3D controls, avoid a "flat" look, whatever, fad is fad and the current 
fad is the best, of course.

Then, I started looking at the documentation of the SDK. And then I 
noticed that C is no longer mentioned ANYWHERE. The only reference is to
"managed C++" That is the Microsoft version of C++ stock full with
__gc_class, ref class etc.

In the reference to C++ I found this:

) The concept of a current working directory doesn't apply to Metro
    style apps and there is no current drive.

    Also, corresponding APIs such as GetCurrentDirectory and
    SetCurrentDirectory are not available in the MSDK.

    Say goodbye to:
    chdir chdir chdrive wchdir getcwd getcwd getdcwd getdcwd_nolock
    wgetcwd _wgetdcwd wgetdcwd_nolock

2) Say goodbye to the console. Metro style apps are GUI only; they don't
    support console. Goodbye stdin, stderr, stdout.

3) Pipe functionality is not available to Metro style apps.

4) Environment variables are not available to Metro style apps. Goodbye
    to getenv, putenv, etc.

5)  A Metro style app cannot invoke another Metro style app or a
    desktop app. Goodbye to system, spawnxxx execxxx etc.

6) C strings are out. Goodbye strcpy strlwr strlen, etc.

7) Low level I/O  functions: fopen fwrite etc. These functions are
    synchronous, which is not recommended for Metro style apps. In your
    Metro style apps, use asynchronous APIs to open, read from, and
    write to files to prevent locking of the UI thread. Examples of such
    APIs are the ones in the Windows::Storage::FileIO class.

Great. Welcome to the future. This means that lcc-win will never be able
to generate any "Metro" applications since all interfaces with the 
system go through a COM interface that would be feasible to adapt but
what a pain!

I just do not have the resources nor the will to follow Microsoft any 
more in that direction.

The controls we are used to since windows 3.0 have disappeared (the
famous group box, for instance)... Many others are different, anyway
you have to rewrite absolutely EVERYTHING AGAIN, as well as you have to
learn windows again. The famous "start" button has disappeared, the 
interface is completely different, all the reflexes are now WRONG,
you have to look for a few minutes after you find how to TURN OFF windows


But I eventually find that button.

Phew!



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#24775

FromJens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr>
Date2012-08-23 20:28 +0200
Message-ID<5036764B.1010506@loria.fr>
In reply to#24771
Am 23.08.2012 20:05, schrieb jacob navia:
> This is a long story. It starts years ago since windows 3.1 and it ends
> now, with "Metro".

[snip]

They never supported any of the newer versions of the C standard with
their own compilers. So this only makes things official so to say.

Hopefully this will free the C language from this burden that the
non-support from MS has been all the years.

Jens

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#24784

FromRui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com>
Date2012-08-23 21:06 +0100
Message-ID<k162gl$63h$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#24775
Jens Gustedt wrote:

> They never supported any of the newer versions of the C standard with
> their own compilers. So this only makes things official so to say.

Wasn't it due to Microsoft that pthreads weren't added to the C11 standard, 
instead replacing it with a kluge of a wrapper?


Rui Maciel

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#24783

FromMalcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com>
Date2012-08-23 12:44 -0700
Message-ID<4ed3a5ed-3232-481a-802f-c923a983c20a@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#24771
בתאריך יום חמישי, 23 באוגוסט 2012 19:05:20 UTC+1, מאת jacob navia:
> This is a long story. It starts years ago since windows 3.1 and it ends 
> now, with "Metro".
>
Yes, I've been with Microsoft since my first DOS machine, which also
ran Windows, slowly and unsatisfactorily. Any serious program ran under DOS.
I played with PCs before then, but I never had one of my own.
If you go onto my website you'll find some brand new DOS console style 
routines, in the Binary Image Processing library. A rasterising font is still
a very quick way of building up an image.  
> 
> 
> SO, I downloaded windows 8, and installed it. 
> Then, I started looking at the documentation of the SDK. And then I 
> noticed that C is no longer mentioned ANYWHERE. The only reference is to
> "managed C++" That is the Microsoft version of C++ stock full with
> __gc_class, ref class etc.
> 
>
Evil evil evil. My Visual Stdio insists on trying to add #include "stdafx.h"
to perfectly innocuous, portable files. 
>
> 2) Say goodbye to the console. Metro style apps are GUI only; they don't
>     support console. Goodbye stdin, stderr, stdout.
>
I can't debug easily without a printf.  
>
> 6) C strings are out. Goodbye strcpy strlwr strlen, etc.
> 
Everyone always attacks the C standard library. You can implement more
efficient strings by storing the length, but actually most strings are short 
and the added complexity isn't worth it, except maybe for a few very
intensive text processing applications. You can support Unicode. But you can't
enter foreign glyphs at the keyboard, and you can't easily display them. You
can't understand what they mean unless you happen to speak that language. So
really Unicode is an end-user character set. The great thign about a C string
is that you can just type it into your soruce file, and you have it.  
> 
> 7) Low level I/O  functions: fopen fwrite etc. These functions are
>     synchronous, which is not recommended for Metro style apps. In your
>     Metro style apps, use asynchronous APIs to open, read from, and
>     write to files to prevent locking of the UI thread. Examples of such
>     APIs are the ones in the Windows::Storage::FileIO class.
> 
I've got some sympathy here. If you're writing massive files, that will
lock up the application. But the synchronicity vs events problem needs to be
sorted, not hacked.

I've got huge sympathy with you. All this change destroys past investments,
and the benfits are dubious. But historically Microsoft has never made things
easyt for developers. All the APIs are fiddly to use, and the obvious ways
of doingthigns are quickly deprecated.

-- 
Download the old PC font and play with it
http://www.malcolmmclean.site11.com/www

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#24787

Fromjacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
Date2012-08-23 22:14 +0200
Message-ID<k162vc$78b$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#24783
Le 23/08/12 21:44, Malcolm McLean a écrit :
> If you're writing massive files, that will
> lock up the application. But the synchronicity vs events problem needs to be
> sorted, not hacked.

But everyone solved that years ago by starting a new thread that did the
lenghty operations!

Wedit starts a thread periodically to recompile the file you are
editing. Any syntax errors are flagged with underscore red.

All that without slowing down the UI since it is done in a separate
thread!

There is no need to suppress stdio!

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#24799 — Re‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language

FromDon't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
Date2012-08-23 14:15 -0700
SubjectRe‭: ‬Microsoft abandons the C language
Message-ID<chine.bleu-6BBE12.14153523082012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#24783
In article‭ <‬4ed3a5ed-3232-481a-802f-c923a983c20a@googlegroups.com‭>,‬
‭ ‬Malcolm McLean‭ <‬malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com‭> ‬wrote‭:‬

‭> ‬I can't debug easily without a printf‭.  ‬

Reinvent MacsBug‭. ‬Or X.DIS‭.‬

‭-- ‬
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You flamed my father‭.     ‬\‭'         ‬At least I can stay in character‭.‬
Prepare to be spanked‭.   //               ‬When you look into the void‭,‬
Stop posting that‭!      ‬`‭/  ‬the void looks into you‭, ‬and fulfills you‭.‬

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#24785

FromMelzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com>
Date2012-08-23 22:07 +0200
Message-ID<k162h6$1rd$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#24771
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:05:20 +0200
jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net> wrote:

> 
> The controls we are used to since windows 3.0 have disappeared (the
> famous group box, for instance)... Many others are different, anyway
> you have to rewrite absolutely EVERYTHING AGAIN, as well as you have
> to learn windows again. The famous "start" button has disappeared,
> the interface is completely different, all the reflexes are now WRONG,
> you have to look for a few minutes after you find how to TURN OFF
> windows
> 
> 
> But I eventually find that button.
> 
> Phew!
> 
Perhaps that's a good thing. Windows is getting better and better ;)


> 
> 
> 


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#24789

FromPaul <nospam@needed.com>
Date2012-08-23 16:20 -0400
Message-ID<k1639l$6lj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24771
jacob navia wrote:

<<snip>>
> The famous "start" button has disappeared, the 
> interface is completely different, all the reflexes are now WRONG,
> you have to look for a few minutes after you find how to TURN OFF windows

If you install Windows 8, like Release Preview, you can
try this as an add-on. You'll find it makes things
look a little more familiar.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/features.html

Conventional applications still run under Windows 8 desktop.
I tried Firefox and Thunderbird in there, and a four
year old game, and all installed properly and run OK.

Where the interface likely goes awry, is on Win8 RT,
the ARM version for portable devices. That's likely
to be entirely different. X86 apps won't run there
(although if Microsoft had wanted, they could have
found a way - they're not Apple after all).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT

    Paul

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#24795

Fromjacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
Date2012-08-23 22:51 +0200
Message-ID<k16545$c25$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#24789
Le 23/08/12 22:20, Paul a écrit :
> Conventional applications still run under Windows 8 desktop.
> I tried Firefox and Thunderbird in there, and a four
> year old game, and all installed properly and run OK.

Of course. But the new interface is no longer available, and the C 
interface is no longer maintained so in a few years those application 
will be as obsolete as MSDOS is today since all NEW features will not be 
ported to the C interface you see?

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#24823

FromDaniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu>
Date2012-08-24 09:33 +0200
Message-ID<k17ang$618$1@weretis.net>
In reply to#24795
Am 23.08.2012 22:51, schrieb jacob navia:
> Of course. But the new interface is no longer available, and the C
> interface is no longer maintained

Of course it is available and still maintained. The server editions of 
windows require those features, the business customers require those 
features, ...

Maybe you just downloaded the wrong Visual Studio Express Edition?

Bye,
	Daniel

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#24825

Fromjacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
Date2012-08-24 09:51 +0200
Message-ID<k17bp5$m47$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#24823
Le 24/08/12 09:33, Daniel Weber a écrit :
> Am 23.08.2012 22:51, schrieb jacob navia:
>> Of course. But the new interface is no longer available, and the C
>> interface is no longer maintained
>
> Of course it is available and still maintained. The server editions of
> windows require those features, the business customers require those
> features, ...
>
> Maybe you just downloaded the wrong Visual Studio Express Edition?
>
> Bye,
>      Daniel

1) I downloaded Visual studio Pro, (not express), and visual studio
    has nothing to do with the new SDK as you (may) know. I am quoting
    from the official SDK DOCUMENTATION, not from any visual studio
    documentation.

2) The business customers will program in Java/Visual Basic, or managed
    C++, and they will be able to use the system apparently. Since there
    is no C interface you can't use C for any task interfacing with the
    OS.

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#24842

FromDaniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu>
Date2012-08-24 13:30 +0200
Message-ID<k17okb$jh1$1@weretis.net>
In reply to#24825
Am 24.08.2012 09:51, schrieb jacob navia:
> 1) I downloaded Visual studio Pro, (not express), and visual studio
>     has nothing to do with the new SDK as you (may) know. I am quoting
>     from the official SDK DOCUMENTATION, not from any visual studio
>     documentation.

And since die SDK documentation never had todo with such things as 
chdir, chdir, chdrive, wchdir, ... (those are in the Visual C++ Runtime 
Library, not in the SDK) you maybe should also check the Visual Studio 
documentation. ;-)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bf7fwze1.aspx

_chdir is OF COURSE available with Visual Studio 2012 for Windows 8 
desktop applications (!= metro apps).

> 2) The business customers will program in Java/Visual Basic, or managed
>     C++, and they will be able to use the system apparently. Since there
>     is no C interface you can't use C for any task interfacing with the
>     OS.

There IS a C interface for desktop applications, you will be able to use 
the console, use pipes as you have been before. The interface for 
desktop application IS NOT REMOVED. Windows needs this interface for its 
system services, Windows Server needs this interface for IIS, Exchange, 
SQL Server, etc.

Bye,
	Daniel

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#24844

Fromjacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
Date2012-08-24 13:32 +0200
Message-ID<k17oop$n6l$1@speranza.aioe.org>
In reply to#24842
Le 24/08/12 13:30, Daniel Weber a écrit :
> There IS a C interface for desktop applications, you will be able to use
> the console, use pipes as you have been before. The interface for
> desktop application IS NOT REMOVED. Windows needs this interface for its
> system services, Windows Server needs this interface for IIS, Exchange,
> SQL Server, etc.
>

As I said to several people, the interface is still supported, Windows 
95 could still run MSDOS applications, but all those applications used 
an obsolete interface that would never be updated again.

Microsoft hasn't updated the SDK for Win32 since around 5 years. If that
doesn't tell you something, I do not know what would.

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#24846

FromDaniel Weber <usenet@daniel-weber.eu>
Date2012-08-24 13:46 +0200
Message-ID<k17phm$mip$1@weretis.net>
In reply to#24844
Am 24.08.2012 13:32, schrieb jacob navia:
> As I said to several people, the interface is still supported, Windows
> 95 could still run MSDOS applications, but all those applications used
> an obsolete interface that would never be updated again.

You can't compare MS-DOS to the Win-API. Windows 8 is built on the 
Win-API, so the system needs it. MS SQL Server needs it, Exchange needs 
it, IIS needs, ... Microsoft makes money with those products so they 
will keep the support in their OS.

> Microsoft hasn't updated the SDK for Win32 since around 5 years.

The lastest "release quality" SDK (version 7.1) has been released 
2010-05-21, thats not 5 years ago.

Bye,
	Daniel

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#24873

FromKenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net>
Date2012-08-24 15:44 -0400
Message-ID<_NidnaThJrMLRKrNnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@bestweb.net>
In reply to#24844
On 8/24/2012 7:32 AM, jacob navia wrote:
[...]
> As I said to several people, the interface is still supported, Windows 95
> could still run MSDOS applications, but all those applications used an
> obsolete interface that would never be updated again.

Win7 (32-bit) still runs MS-DOS apps, too.

> Microsoft hasn't updated the SDK for Win32 since around 5 years. If that
> doesn't tell you something, I do not know what would.

Well, VS2010 includes a Windows SDK dated 2009.  Though I honestly can't be 
sure about the Win32 SDK part of it.

-- 
Kenneth Brody

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#24973

Fromozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear)
Date2012-08-26 02:22 +0000
Message-ID<50398813.102957836@news.bigpond.com>
In reply to#24795
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:51:21 +0200, jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
wrote:

>Le 23/08/12 22:20, Paul a écrit :
>> Conventional applications still run under Windows 8 desktop.
>> I tried Firefox and Thunderbird in there, and a four
>> year old game, and all installed properly and run OK.
>
>Of course. But the new interface is no longer available, and the C 
>interface is no longer maintained so in a few years those application 
>will be as obsolete as MSDOS is today since all NEW features will not be 
>ported to the C interface you see?
>
>

And what's wrong with that?
Nothing lasts forever, nor should it.

The C language has no place on tablets.

Oz
-- 
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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#24982

FromLes Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com>
Date2012-08-26 00:19 -0500
Message-ID<k1cbc7$ari$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#24973
ozbear wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:51:21 +0200, jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Le 23/08/12 22:20, Paul a écrit :
>>> Conventional applications still run under Windows 8 desktop.
>>> I tried Firefox and Thunderbird in there, and a four
>>> year old game, and all installed properly and run OK.
>>
>> Of course. But the new interface is no longer available, and the C
>> interface is no longer maintained so in a few years those application
>> will be as obsolete as MSDOS is today since all NEW features will not be
>> ported to the C interface you see?
>>
>>
>
> And what's wrong with that?
> Nothing lasts forever, nor should it.
>

Of course some things should (and do) last forever. It's arguably 
easier, for example, to get a 6V6 tube than it's ever been.

> The C language has no place on tablets.
>
> Oz
>

http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Etch-a-sketch

That's pretty much tablets to me.

--
Les Cargill

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#25048

Fromozbear@bigpond.com (ozbear)
Date2012-08-27 00:25 +0000
Message-ID<503abde3.182269711@news.bigpond.com>
In reply to#24982
On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 00:19:40 -0500, Les Cargill
<lcargill99@comcast.com> wrote:

>ozbear wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 22:51:21 +0200, jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 23/08/12 22:20, Paul a écrit :
>>>> Conventional applications still run under Windows 8 desktop.
>>>> I tried Firefox and Thunderbird in there, and a four
>>>> year old game, and all installed properly and run OK.
>>>
>>> Of course. But the new interface is no longer available, and the C
>>> interface is no longer maintained so in a few years those application
>>> will be as obsolete as MSDOS is today since all NEW features will not be
>>> ported to the C interface you see?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And what's wrong with that?
>> Nothing lasts forever, nor should it.
>>
>
>Of course some things should (and do) last forever. It's arguably 
>easier, for example, to get a 6V6 tube than it's ever been.
>
<snip>
Nonsense. 
Oz
-- 
A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

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#24796

FromDon't make my brown eyes China Blue <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
Date2012-08-23 13:51 -0700
Message-ID<chine.bleu-CCF046.13513923082012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#24771
> I remember all those interface guidelines that recommended us to use the 
> 3D controls, avoid a "flat" look, whatever, fad is fad and the current 
> fad is the best, of course.

> ) The concept of a current working directory doesn't apply to Metro

> 2) Say goodbye to the console. Metro style apps are GUI only; they don't

> 3) Pipe functionality is not available to Metro style apps.

> 4) Environment variables are not available to Metro style apps. Goodbye

> 5)  A Metro style app cannot invoke another Metro style app or a

Hey, that's neat! They reinvented Mac System 1.

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You flamed my father.     \'         At least I can stay in character.
Prepare to be spanked.   //               When you look into the void,
Stop posting that!      `/  the void looks into you, and fulfills you.

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#24801

FromCRNG <Spam@uce.gov>
Date2012-08-23 16:57 -0500
Message-ID<ol9d38522sktn7gji0uaflqhoo79itndfc@4ax.com>
In reply to#24771
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 20:05:20 +0200, jacob navia <jacob@spamsink.net>
wrote in <k15rct$jli$1@speranza.aioe.org> Re Microsoft abandons the C
language:

>I just do not have the resources nor the will to follow Microsoft any 
>more in that direction.

Let's hope many more millions feel the same way.

Next step: Uninstall Win 8 and stick with WinXP until something
reasonable comes along.

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