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Taming The Switch-Statement

Started byLawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
First post2026-10-03 08:43 +0000
Last post2026-10-22 09:51 +0200
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  Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-03 08:43 +0000
    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-03 11:24 +0100
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-05 22:15 +0000
    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-03 14:22 +0200
    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-03 18:02 +0200
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-04 00:24 +0800
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-03 17:36 +0100
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-03 16:31 -0700
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-04 10:23 +0200
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-04 12:18 +0100
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 16:20 +0200
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-05 21:34 +0000
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 16:04 -0700
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 16:18 +0200
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-04 16:09 +0100
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 16:59 +0000
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-04 18:30 +0100
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-10-04 19:49 +0100
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-04 20:35 +0100
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-04 22:27 +0200
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-04 22:47 +0100
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-04 21:59 +0000
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-04 23:38 +0000
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-05 01:24 +0100
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-05 21:48 +0000
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-06 00:11 +0100
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 09:49 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-06 11:12 +0200
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 12:41 +0200
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:33 +0100
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-06 15:16 +0100
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-06 14:37 +0000
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-06 17:27 +0100
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-06 23:14 +0000
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-07 01:25 +0100
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-07 04:19 +0000
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-07 06:28 +0000
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-07 11:39 +0100
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-07 12:57 +0200
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-07 11:32 +0100
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-07 15:10 +0000
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-07 19:41 +0100
                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-08 04:49 +0000
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-08 12:24 +0100
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-07 09:07 +0200
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-07 11:49 +0100
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-07 13:11 +0200
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 16:17 +0200
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-06 15:32 +0100
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 17:25 +0200
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-06 14:39 +0000
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-06 19:48 +0200
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-06 18:12 +0000
                                [OT] substances (was Re: Taming The Switch-Statement) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-06 21:50 +0200
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 17:06 -0700
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-06 19:25 +0200
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-07 10:28 +0200
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-07 15:16 +0200
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-07 16:40 +0200
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-08 07:24 -0700
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 16:08 -0700
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 23:45 +0000
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 17:08 -0700
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-07 10:35 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-06 12:33 +0100
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 17:16 +0200
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 16:41 -0700
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2026-10-06 12:14 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 12:43 +0200
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2026-10-06 11:47 +0000
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 16:05 -0700
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-07 00:42 +0000
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-07 13:52 +0100
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-07 14:06 -0700
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-07 23:31 +0100
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-05 21:32 +0000
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-06 06:07 +0800
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 16:42 -0700
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-05 18:05 -0700
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-06 09:04 +0200
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 04:11 -0700
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-06 21:40 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-16 13:12 -0700
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2026-10-06 00:59 -0700
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-06 08:16 +0000
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-06 04:21 -0700
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-16 04:46 -0700
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-06 14:43 +0000
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-06 17:36 +0200
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2026-10-06 20:36 -0700
    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-04 00:20 +0800
    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2026-10-04 09:05 -0700
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-04 23:44 +0000
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-05 01:46 +0100
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2026-10-04 20:48 -0700
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-05 06:24 +0200
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-05 11:09 +0100
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-06 05:22 +0800
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-06 05:26 +0800
    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 00:25 +0000
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-10 01:58 +0100
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-09 19:17 -0700
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-10 11:53 +0100
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-10 14:01 +0200
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-10 14:11 +0100
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:34 +0800
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-10 21:58 +0800
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-10 17:50 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-11 05:52 +0000
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:16 +0000
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-11 23:38 +0000
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 11:58 +0100
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-11 14:42 +0200
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 14:39 +0100
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 15:35 -0700
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-11 14:42 +0000
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 17:23 +0100
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-11 17:48 +0000
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 19:10 +0100
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-12 07:01 +0000
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 16:41 +0100
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-10 20:08 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-10 22:02 +0300
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-10 19:03 +0000
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-10 22:29 +0300
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-10 21:55 +0200
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-10 23:03 +0300
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-10 22:33 +0200
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-10 21:53 +0100
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-10 23:16 +0200
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-11 15:29 +0000
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2026-10-10 15:30 -0700
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-10 22:58 +0000
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:09 +0800
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-11 10:14 +0000
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:12 +0000
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-11 03:58 +0200
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 15:32 -0700
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-11 01:58 +0300
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 01:43 +0100
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:12 +0800
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-11 04:07 +0200
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 20:13 -0700
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-11 10:36 +0200
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-16 14:22 -0700
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 15:00 -0700
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-17 01:29 +0200
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 12:48 +0200
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-18 12:04 +0100
                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 14:09 +0200
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-18 14:34 +0200
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 17:13 +0300
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 16:52 +0200
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 18:16 +0300
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 20:47 +0200
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 22:38 +0300
                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-19 11:16 +0200
                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 03:50 -0700
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-19 12:59 +0200
                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:28 -0700
                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 09:05 +0200
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-19 14:35 +0000
                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-19 18:31 +0200
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Bob Duff <invalid@invalid.com> - 2026-10-19 19:38 -0400
                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 17:03 -0700
                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:45 +0000
                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-20 05:01 +0200
                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:45 -0700
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 18:34 -0700
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-18 17:49 +0200
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-18 22:18 +0000
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-18 23:51 +0000
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-19 01:56 +0000
                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 19:37 -0700
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-18 23:56 +0000
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:15 +0200
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 18:33 -0700
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-18 13:39 +0200
                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-19 08:47 -0700
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-19 18:28 +0200
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:11 -0700
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 01:02 +0000
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 09:18 +0200
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-18 22:33 +0000
                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-20 02:53 -0700
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 12:22 +0000
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-17 19:39 +0300
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-17 18:23 +0100
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-17 17:36 +0000
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-17 21:03 +0300
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-17 10:30 -0700
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 10:54 -0700
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-19 23:41 +0000
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 14:18 +0200
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-11 04:26 -0700
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 13:35 +0100
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-11 06:13 -0700
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 14:51 +0100
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-11 15:33 +0200
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Andrey Tarasevich <noone@noone.net> - 2026-10-11 09:01 -0700
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-11 19:17 +0200
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 18:57 +0100
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 14:28 -0700
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 23:02 +0100
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 16:29 -0700
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-12 04:03 -0700
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-12 22:02 +0300
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 21:09 +0200
                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-12 22:31 +0300
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-12 22:32 +0200
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 22:05 +0100
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 23:14 +0200
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-13 07:23 +0000
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-13 12:12 +0200
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 11:26 +0100
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-10-13 12:10 +0100
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-13 06:55 -0700
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-13 13:33 +0200
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 13:41 +0100
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-13 14:38 +0000
                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-13 18:04 +0200
                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-13 20:52 +0000
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 22:24 +0100
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-14 00:03 +0200
                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 10:53 +0000
                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-14 17:54 +0200
                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 19:48 +0000
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 11:16 +0100
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-13 21:54 +0000
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-16 15:24 +0000
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-16 21:42 +0000
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-16 21:46 +0000
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 12:38 +0200
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 15:03 -0700
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-17 19:25 -0700
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-20 00:16 +0000
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-20 16:10 -0700
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-13 07:40 -0700
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 16:46 +0100
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-13 09:10 -0700
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 18:15 +0100
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 18:27 -0700
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-14 01:50 +0000
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 10:58 +0000
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-13 22:54 +0300
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-13 16:45 -0700
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 18:34 -0700
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-10-14 05:17 +0000
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-14 13:46 +0100
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 07:05 +0200
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 14:37 +0100
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 16:12 +0200
                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 16:32 +0100
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 19:05 +0200
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 19:15 +0100
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:43 -0700
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:45 -0700
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 23:46 +0000
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 00:56 +0100
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 20:38 +0100
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 19:52 +0000
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-12 22:56 +0200
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 21:57 +0100
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 21:21 +0000
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 22:46 +0100
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-13 09:27 +0200
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-13 12:18 +0200
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 11:33 +0100
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-13 00:25 +0300
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 22:20 +0000
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 17:02 -0700
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 01:53 +0100
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-13 03:54 +0200
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-13 10:52 +0000
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-13 23:16 +0300
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 18:44 -0700
                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 17:33 -0700
                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-14 00:21 +0100
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 20:40 -0700
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 03:59 +0000
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 21:35 -0700
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 11:27 +0000
                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-14 12:17 +0100
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 12:38 +0000
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-14 16:49 +0100
                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 19:30 +0000
                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-14 23:28 +0300
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-14 21:30 -0700
                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-14 21:56 +0100
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-14 21:59 +0100
                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-15 01:26 +0000
                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-15 12:01 +0100
                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-15 11:45 +0000
                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-15 15:57 +0100
                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-15 18:10 +0100
                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-16 02:42 +0100
                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-15 20:42 +0000
                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-15 23:57 +0300
                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-15 23:22 +0100
                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-16 12:40 +0000
                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-17 00:01 +0100
                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-16 16:53 -0700
                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-17 11:09 +0000
                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-17 13:11 +0100
                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-17 15:15 +0200
                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-17 08:34 -0700
                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-17 03:19 +0000
                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-17 12:34 +0100
                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-17 17:58 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-17 21:40 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 14:32 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-19 01:19 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-19 09:18 +0000
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-19 12:00 +0000
                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-19 12:47 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-19 14:08 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-19 17:22 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-19 20:34 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:35 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-20 00:04 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-20 01:03 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:44 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-20 15:11 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 17:02 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-20 21:07 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 11:20 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 12:29 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 16:40 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-20 23:33 +0300
                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 00:01 +0100
                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 13:22 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-18 14:12 +0200
                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-18 14:33 +0100
                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 16:27 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-18 17:09 +0100
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 21:09 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-18 23:20 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-19 12:26 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:16 +0200
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-19 15:46 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-19 16:03 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-19 22:28 +0100
                                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 10:01 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-20 12:41 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 14:58 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 17:05 -0700
                                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 12:45 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 02:04 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 13:21 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 11:26 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 12:33 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 14:21 +0200
                                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 15:41 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 17:36 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 15:37 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 17:22 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-21 17:21 +0000
                                                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 19:04 +0100
                                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 18:38 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 20:36 +0100
                                                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 20:36 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 23:10 +0100
                                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 22:55 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-21 19:17 +0000
                                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 20:49 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 18:56 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 19:24 +0000
                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-20 21:30 +0100
                                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-20 21:44 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-20 23:43 +0100
                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 00:56 +0000
                                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-21 02:39 +0100
                                                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 18:55 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-21 07:22 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 01:56 +0000
                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 15:10 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 14:17 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 13:22 +0000
                                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 17:29 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-21 18:43 +0000
                                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 13:02 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-22 08:57 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-22 12:56 +0000
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:48 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-20 01:18 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-19 08:46 +0000
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-19 15:00 +0100
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:55 +0100
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-20 02:40 +0000
                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 17:24 +0300
                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 16:58 +0200
                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 18:26 +0300
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-18 18:11 +0200
                                                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-18 19:32 +0300
                                                                                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-19 15:44 +0200
                                                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-19 22:35 +0300
                                                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-19 23:27 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-19 23:29 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-20 00:57 +0300
                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-20 00:55 +0200
                                                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 10:25 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-20 16:56 +0200
                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-20 17:32 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-20 18:23 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-21 15:28 +0200
                                                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-18 21:11 +0200
                                                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-18 18:34 +0100
                                                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-15 05:17 -0700
                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-15 14:37 +0000
                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-15 20:50 +0200
                                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-15 19:59 +0100
                                                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-15 20:49 +0000
                                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-14 18:51 +0100
                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement "Peyton" <peyton@solacium.com> - 2026-10-14 11:04 -0700
                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-14 19:47 +0000
                                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 13:58 -0700
                                                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-15 12:08 +0200
                                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 14:23 -0700
                                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-14 14:35 +0000
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-10-16 03:36 -0700
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 16:38 -0700
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-10 21:09 +0100
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-10 23:14 +0200
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-10 23:01 +0100
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2026-10-11 08:00 +0000
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-11 10:27 +0200
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-11 10:49 +0200
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 16:30 -0700
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 02:12 +0100
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 19:55 -0700
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-11 11:00 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 12:21 +0100
                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-11 14:04 -0700
                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 23:05 +0100
                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 07:22 +0200
                          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 11:42 +0100
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-12 16:15 +0200
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 14:34 +0000
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 16:47 +0100
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-13 00:15 +0800
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-12 17:02 +0000
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-13 20:04 +0800
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-10-13 17:28 +0000
                                        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-14 02:05 +0800
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 17:17 +0000
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 17:37 +0000
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 17:34 +0000
                              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 18:46 +0000
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-12 19:52 +0100
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-10-12 19:42 +0000
                                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:29 -0700
                                    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 00:53 +0100
                                      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 18:14 -0700
                                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-10-12 22:35 +0000
                            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-12 16:14 -0700
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-11 22:36 +0100
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-10-10 13:14 +0000
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-10 19:50 +0300
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-10 20:13 +0200
              Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 15:54 -0700
                Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-11 03:41 +0200
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson <johann@myrkraverk.invalid> - 2026-10-11 09:51 +0800
                  Re: Taming The Switch-Statement David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2026-10-11 11:41 +0200
            Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 16:44 -0700
          Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-10-10 16:56 -0700
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-11 21:26 +0000
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> - 2026-10-11 22:12 +0000
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-13 22:00 +0000
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-10-13 23:19 +0100
    Re: Taming The Switch-Statement fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-10-21 11:19 +0200
      Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> - 2026-10-21 09:29 -0600
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-10-22 00:33 +0000
        Re: Taming The Switch-Statement fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2026-10-22 09:51 +0200

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#403431

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-10-21 20:36 +0100
Message-ID<11bb47i$889c$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403427
On 21/10/2026 19:38, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <11baur1$63id$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

>> So, now tell me what I've got wrong.
> 
> Wow.  You really, truly, have no idea how any of this works.  I
> don't even know where to begin.  You just throw around words but
> have no idea what they mean in context.
> 
> It's breathtaking, really.
And Wow, your reply is exactly the kind I expected!

Of course, you're not going to tell me what API means versus ABI, and 
you're not going to answer my question about what I've got wrong.

Because actually you don't know. This was apparent from things you've 
said in the past.

I have actually wondered what you're doing here, and this appears to be 
it: being hostile, patronising, condescending and constantly taking the 
contrary view no matter what.

In other words, being a troll.

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#403435

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-21 20:36 +0000
Message-ID<11bb7nk$noa$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403431
In article <11bb47i$889c$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 21/10/2026 19:38, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <11baur1$63id$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>>> So, now tell me what I've got wrong.
>> 
>> Wow.  You really, truly, have no idea how any of this works.  I
>> don't even know where to begin.  You just throw around words but
>> have no idea what they mean in context.
>> 
>> It's breathtaking, really.
>
>And Wow, your reply is exactly the kind I expected!
>
>Of course, you're not going to tell me what API means versus ABI, and 
>you're not going to answer my question about what I've got wrong.

Honestly?  No, I'm not.  It's clear that if I tried, you would
either not understand, or deliberately ignore it so you could
blindly continue in your self-imposed ignorance.

>Because actually you don't know.

Umm.....

>This was apparent from things you've said in the past.

You know, it's one thing to be ignorant yourself.  It's quite
another to project that onto others.

>I have actually wondered what you're doing here, and this appears to be 
>it: being hostile, patronising, condescending and constantly taking the 
>contrary view no matter what.
>
>In other words, being a troll.

It's apparent that you really, truly, do not understand why so
many others seem like they are "having a go" at you.  I actually
feel kind of bad for you.

	- Dan C.

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#403436

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-10-21 23:10 +0100
Message-ID<11bbd8k$bhfq$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403435
On 21/10/2026 21:36, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <11bb47i$889c$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 21/10/2026 19:38, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> In article <11baur1$63id$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> So, now tell me what I've got wrong.
>>>
>>> Wow.  You really, truly, have no idea how any of this works.  I
>>> don't even know where to begin.  You just throw around words but
>>> have no idea what they mean in context.
>>>
>>> It's breathtaking, really.
>>
>> And Wow, your reply is exactly the kind I expected!
>>
>> Of course, you're not going to tell me what API means versus ABI, and
>> you're not going to answer my question about what I've got wrong.
> 
> Honestly?  No, I'm not.  It's clear that if I tried, you would
> either not understand, or deliberately ignore it so you could
> blindly continue in your self-imposed ignorance.
> 
>> Because actually you don't know.
> 
> Umm.....
> 
>> This was apparent from things you've said in the past.
> 
> You know, it's one thing to be ignorant yourself.  It's quite
> another to project that onto others.

I've seen zero evidence that you know anything about the matter. Just 
bluster.


> 
>> I have actually wondered what you're doing here, and this appears to be
>> it: being hostile, patronising, condescending and constantly taking the
>> contrary view no matter what.
>>
>> In other words, being a troll.
> 
> It's apparent that you really, truly, do not understand why so
> many others seem like they are "having a go" at you.  I actually
> feel kind of bad for you.


If you don't know this stuff, that would be perfectly fine, not everyone 
is into compilers.

But refusing to admit that you mixed up API/ABI and instead gaslighting 
others into thinking they're the ones in the wrong is unacceptable and 
childish.

I've looked at the 40 or so posts you've made in the last few days, half 
of them were replies to me, all unpleasant exchanges.

This is just persecution, constantly attacking and belittling at the 
personal level. Maybe you're some sick fuck and and you get a kick out 
of it, then you should get help together with JP, that other wonderful 
person.

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#403437

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-21 22:55 +0000
Message-ID<11bbfte$dul$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403436
In article <11bbd8k$bhfq$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 21/10/2026 21:36, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <11bb47i$889c$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On 21/10/2026 19:38, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> In article <11baur1$63id$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> So, now tell me what I've got wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Wow.  You really, truly, have no idea how any of this works.  I
>>>> don't even know where to begin.  You just throw around words but
>>>> have no idea what they mean in context.
>>>>
>>>> It's breathtaking, really.
>>>
>>> And Wow, your reply is exactly the kind I expected!
>>>
>>> Of course, you're not going to tell me what API means versus ABI, and
>>> you're not going to answer my question about what I've got wrong.
>> 
>> Honestly?  No, I'm not.  It's clear that if I tried, you would
>> either not understand, or deliberately ignore it so you could
>> blindly continue in your self-imposed ignorance.
>> 
>>> Because actually you don't know.
>> 
>> Umm.....
>> 
>>> This was apparent from things you've said in the past.
>> 
>> You know, it's one thing to be ignorant yourself.  It's quite
>> another to project that onto others.
>
>I've seen zero evidence that you know anything about the matter. Just 
>bluster.

And sadly, I've seen plenty of evidence confirming that you know
nothing about it at all.

	- Dan C.

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#403430

Fromscott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
Date2026-10-21 19:17 +0000
Message-ID<Pc8CS.30541$sfD.17299@fx03.iad>
In reply to#403426
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>On 21/10/2026 18:21, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>> On 21/10/2026 16:37, Dan Cross wrote:
>> 
>>>> You can write some library in BartM or whatever language you
>>>> like, and someone might write a binding to call it from, say,
>>>> Pascal; and then a year down the road, you might change your
>>>> compiler (since I gather you don't bother with a well-defined
>>>> ABI, based on your not seeming to understand
>>>
>>> You still don't get what an ABI is.
>> 
>> Please, enlighten us.  Be specific.  What exactly
>> does the term ABI mean to you?
>
>It's what I have to deal with in a compiler back-end if I want to 
>support an FFI in a language.

Ah, so you don't know what an ABI is.

   An Application Binary Interface (ABI) is a
   low-level contract in computer science that
   defines how two compiled binary program modules
   interact with each other at the machine-code level.

<snip discussions of the well known ABI requirements for
 windows x86_64 and linux on ARM64>[*]

If you want your compiler to leverage existing libraries
and/or code written in another language, you need to follow
the platform ABI.  It is that simple.

Whether you like it or not, is completely irrelevent.

[*] It is worth noting that the Windows x86 64-bit ABI
requirement for the caller to reserve space for the
callee to save registers (shadow store) is quite
unusual in modern ABIs.

The stack pointer alignment requirement should be obvious.

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#403433

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-10-21 20:49 +0100
Message-ID<11bb4vn$8hau$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403430
On 21/10/2026 20:17, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> On 21/10/2026 18:21, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>> On 21/10/2026 16:37, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You can write some library in BartM or whatever language you
>>>>> like, and someone might write a binding to call it from, say,
>>>>> Pascal; and then a year down the road, you might change your
>>>>> compiler (since I gather you don't bother with a well-defined
>>>>> ABI, based on your not seeming to understand
>>>>
>>>> You still don't get what an ABI is.
>>>
>>> Please, enlighten us.  Be specific.  What exactly
>>> does the term ABI mean to you?
>>
>> It's what I have to deal with in a compiler back-end if I want to
>> support an FFI in a language.
> 
> Ah, so you don't know what an ABI is.
> 
>     An Application Binary Interface (ABI) is a
>     low-level contract in computer science that
>     defines how two compiled binary program modules
>     interact with each other at the machine-code level.

OK. And how is my statement wrong?

> If you want your compiler to leverage existing libraries
> and/or code written in another language, you need to follow
> the platform ABI.  It is that simple.

OK. And what have I said that contradicts that? I said it is something 
taken care of in the back end of my compiler; and it is a solved problem.

It sends very much like both of you are confused about the difference 
between API and ABI!

> Whether you like it or not, is completely irrelevent.

Irrelevant to ... what? You're making about as much sense as the other chap.

I was describing the problems of interfacing to APIs  (with a 'P') and 
DC spouted some stuff about ABIs, which was not relevant to those problems.

So, are you agreeing with me here that API issues and ABI issues are 
separate matters?

> The stack pointer alignment requirement should be obvious.

Not really: the ABI has to explicitly state it.

In any case that is not relevant to the issues I was describing in 
working with APIs.

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#403429

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-21 18:56 +0000
Message-ID<11bb1si$2l4$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403424
In article <11baot1$3j98$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>[snip]
>You still don't get what an ABI is.

This is the only interesting thing in your post, and only
because it offers a key insight into your screeds: you use terms
in a way that matches your own sense of what they mean,
regardless of how they are used in the wider context.  This is a
good example: later, you said that ABIs are _only_ about calling
conventions.  For you, I'm sure that is true; for others who
work in the field and use the consensus definitions, it is
uninformed nonsense.  No wonder you feel so attacked; what you
believe you are saying is competely divorced from the way people
read it.

	- Dan C.

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#403383

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-20 19:24 +0000
Message-ID<11b8f5h$67l$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403374
In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 20/10/2026 09:01, David Brown wrote:
>> On 19/10/2026 23:28, bart wrote:
>
>>> (Funny that when I suggest that nested loop breaks are uncommon, 
>>> everyone says I'm wrong! Some even write 200-line made-up examples to 
>>> prove their point.)
>> 
>> I don't remember "everyone" saying you were wrong to say that nested 
>> loop breaks are uncommon - in fact, I don't remember /anyone/ saying 
>> that was wrong. 
>
>(There was a LOT of antipathy towards my idea to fix the common case of 
>'loop-break' clashing with 'switch-break', BECAUSE it did not fix the 
>problem of nested loop-break, which is uncommon, even though that wasn't 
>the aim.)

Those are two different things.  No one disagrees with you that
"nested break from a switch inside of a loop" is relatively more
common than other variants.

Using that as an excuse not to provide a more general mechanism
because you already have a proposal for the specific case is
what I and others took you to task for.  I find this ironic,
since you rail against things in C that you do not like, citing
the most ridiculous examples you can think of that do not show
up in actual programs, yet for something where it is pointed out
to you that your solution does not generalize, you claim that it
does not need to because ... the general case rarely shows up in
a real program.

>>> There is no reason to abstract away that function pointer type.
>>>
>>> You probably do so in C /because/ the type involves * () and [] but 
>>> have somehow persuaded yourself that it just better that way.
>> 
>> Do you hear that whooshing noise?  It is the sound of the point flying 
>> far above your head.
>> 
>> Here is an example of some sensible function typedefs, all from third- 
>> party code (so not my "peculiar" style)
>> 
>> typedef void (*TimerCallbackFunction_t)( TimerHandle_t xTimer );
>> 
>> TimerHandle_t xTimerCreate(  const char * const pcTimerName,
>>                   TickType_t xTimerPeriodInTicks,
>>                   UBaseType_t uxAutoReload,
>>                   void * pvTimerID,
>>                   TimerCallbackFunction_t pxCallbackFunction );
>>
>> typedef void (*lwip_thread_fn)(void *arg);
>> typedef void (*tcpip_init_done_fn)(void *arg);
>> typedef void (*tcpip_callback_fn)(void *ctx);
>> typedef void (* sys_timeout_handler)(void *arg);
>> typedef void (*dns_found_callback)(const char *name,
>>                   const ip_addr_t *ipaddr, void *callback_arg);
>
>This is the kind of C I find hard to read. There are lots of typedefs 
>but few uses of those typedefs that I can see, so I don't know how much 
>difference they make.

You again missed the entire point.  You may not see many uses
of them, but as David says, the `typedef`s give you
domain-specific *names* understandable to the programmer: a
programmer can see the `sys_timeout_handler` type instantly know
that this has a different function than the,
`tcpip_callback_fn`, despite the having the same type.

The other point is that the ridiculous examples you make up to
illustrate your distaste for C declaration syntax basically do
not appear in real programs.

>[snip]
>I've left in the regular parameter names, even though C doesn't need 
>them, but they are quite heavy - you don't really need those 
>Hungarian-style prefixes.)
>
>Well, I guess this buys you one thing: the parameter name for the last 
>parameter is to the right of its type, rather than be inside it. But a C 
>expert should not be fazed by that.
>
>Here is the same function as I might write it in an alternative syntax.
>
>I've kept the same names, but changed case-style and removed prefixes 
>and suffixes. I've capitalised user-type names:
>
>func TimerCreate(                 # (retain case if FFI import)
>     ichar     timername,
>     Ticktype  timerperiodinticks,
>     Ubasetype autoreload,
>     ref void  timerid,
>     ref proc(Timerhandle) callbackfn)
>
>In this form, it's hard to see what benefit a typedef would give for 
>that last parameter; it is simple enough.

What is your point?  Do you have one?  If you don't want to use
C, don't use C.

There are plenty of languages that can do this kind of thing
that are not C and have syntax and semantics closer to what you
seem to want.  Here's an example in Rust:

pub trait TimerHandle { ... }

fn CreateTimer<T>(
    timer_name: &str,
    period: std::time::Duration,
    auto_reload: bool,
    timer_id: T,
    handler: fn(&dyn TimerHandle),
) -> Result<Timer<T>, TimerError>

I didn't know what an `UBaseType_t` is, and while "autoreload"
sounded pretty intuitive, I wasn't sure about the semantics, so
I looked it up (the example comes from `FreeRTOS`).  In this
context, it is a boolean saying whether the timer should repeat
with the given periodicity, or whether it is a one-shot.

The timer_id is opaque to the timer, and it looks like it's used
to facilitating the handler accessing timer-specific data.  In
C, passing it as a `void *` is used as a way to get a poor-man's
overloading.  But Rust has generics, I just made it generic over
some type T.

If I were writing this from scratch in Rust, a language that has
generics, closures, and so sum types, I'd do the whole thing
differently; see the end for an example.

But I digress.  The point here is, Bart, that alternatives exist
if you don't like C.  You don't have to keep posting, over and
over again, in comp.lang.c of all places, about how oh so
terribly awful C is.  If you don't want to program in C, simply
don't program in C.

>> Ask yourself why the typedefs are used.  Look at the /names/.  Those 
>> last four are all from the same network stack library, and are all 
>> typedefs for "void (*)(void*)".
>
>Until you mentioned it, I hadn't noticed. So typedef has done a good job 
>of hiding that useful fact! But looking more closely, it is the first 
>four of the last five.
>
>Let's take one:
>
>  typedef void (*lwip_thread_fn)(void *arg);
>
>That 'arg' is not much use for a start (other than being a hint that 
>this particular (...) is where the parameters go).
>
>So, maybe this is used like this:
>
>   void F(lwip_thread_fn lwip_thread_callback);

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.  The obvious (and
honestly, excusable) syntax error aside, what is F?  It's a
function that, what, takes two function pointers?

The type defined by `lwip_thread_fn` is a pointer to a function
that takes a void pointer (`void *`) as its sole arugment, and
returns `void` (that is, has no meaningful return value).

Intuitively, the name implies that this is the function run as
some thread, so we'd pass it to a thread creation function.  The
usual shape of those things is to give them a pointer to some
function to run in the new thread, and a pointer to some
arguments to be passed to that function.  For example:

void
whatever(void *argp)
{
	struct Args *args = argp;
	while (keep_running()) {
		// Do the thing the thread is supposed to do.
	}
	thread_exit(SUCCESS);
}

thread_t *
start_the_whatever_thread(void)
{
	struct Args *args = malloc(sizeof(*args));
	if (args == NULL) abort();
	memset(args, 0, sizeof(*args));
	args->whatever = something();
	// etc...
	thread_t *thr = thread_create(whatever, args);
	if (thr == NULL) abort();
	return thr;
}

Something could start this as:

	thread_t *whatever_id = start_the_whatever_thread();

At some point later, if you want to wait for the thread to
exit, you'd run:

	(void)thread_join(whatever_id);

Note this is decently complex behavior, but it's actually quite
intuitive from the name and the type.

>Here you have two identifiers imparting the sort kind of information; a 
>tautology.

That's not what a tautology is.

>If that function pointer pattern is common, or recurs in a suite of 
>functions, I might also have used a typedef, but with a common name. 

Then you loose the domain specificity; you can't tell from the
name whether you need an LwIP thread, or a callback, or a
something run in a different thread, or just a plain 'ol
function you want to apply to run every now and again for a side
effect.

>Then only one would be needed, say:
>
>  typedef void (*stack_callbackfn)(void);
>
>I might have done the same in that alternate syntax as it would start to 
>get cluttery: 'ref proc(ref void)', but also in order to define that 
>common pattern in one place.

I dunno.  Sounds like you have no idea what the code that David
posted is meant to do.  But that's a "you" problem.

>>> Note that 'pcl' in my example /is/ a typedef; here it makes sense as 
>>> it is used in 100s of places. This function pointer occurs in only one 
>>> place.
>> 
>> I'm sorry, I had mistaken you for a programmer who wanted to write good, 
>> clear programs.  Naming things is not a shortcut to save keypresses.
>
>Isn't that one of the main uses of typedefs? So as to give a handy, 
>'euphonious' one-token alias to an elaborate typedef.
>
>It also allows you to change the type in one place without having to 
>update hundreds of instances.
>
>It also allows the type to be opaque.

The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?

>Saving keypresses is bonus benefit, but if it is shorter, then it can 
>also help readability as other critical elements are not overshadowed.
>
>So I'm not sure what objection you have to this particular use of it.

Have you ever written a large program that was maintained by
anyone other than yourself?

>Here is the one place I do remember using typedef for a function pointer 
>(from an old project, not in C):
>
>     type fnptr = ref proc
>
>     repeat
>         (fnptr(pcptr^))^()
>     until stopped
>
>It's used as a cast, but reason I have it is because with simple cast 
>syntax, which is 'T(X)', the meaning without it would be ambiguous (a 
>grammar issue that I might fix one day).
>
>Rather than fallback to standard cast syntax (which is 'cast(X, T)'), 
>this was tidier.

I can only guess at what this may mean.  Hazarding a guess,
`pcptr` is a "pointer to a program counter", which is a
reference type to some type that represents some executable
memory location in the program.  You then have a loop that runs
until "stopped" is true where you indirect the program counter
pointer, cast it to a pointer to a function, and then invoke
the function, right?  One presumes you have the, "PC Pointer"
because it changes over time, otherwise, you'd just give
whatever it points to a name and call it.

More generally, I fail to see what this is trying to
demonstrate.  If it's to show some sort of imagined superiority
over C, I don't see it; that's sort of thing is easy enough to
write:

	typedef void (*fnptr)(void);

	// Assume uintptr_t *pcptr is declared somewhere.
	do {
		((fnptr)*pcptr)();
	} while (!stopped);

E.g.,

```
term% cat b.c
#include <stdbool.h>
#include <stddef.h>
#include <stdint.h>
#include <stdio.h>

static void first(void);

typedef void (*fnptr)(void);
bool stopped = false;
uintptr_t pc = (uintptr_t)first;
uintptr_t *pcptr = &pc;

void
done(void)
{
        printf("done\n");
        stopped = true;
}

void
second(void)
{
        printf("second\n");
        *pcptr = (uintptr_t)done;
}

void
first(void)
{
        printf("first\n");
        *pcptr = (uintptr_t)second;
}

void
run(void)
{
        do {
                ((fnptr)*pcptr)();
        } while (!stopped);
}

int
main(void)
{
        run();
        return 0;
}
term% gcc-16 -std=c11 -pedantic -o b b.c
term% ./b
first
second
done
term% 
```

>>> BTW what name would be given to such a function pointer type?
>
>> I have no idea what your code is supposed to do,
>
>It's a table of function pointers! All sharing the same signature.
>
>That's pretty generic. Is it really that hard to guess? You don't need 
>to know what they do, other than at some point they will be called as 
>handlertable[i](arg).

That part is fine.

What's utterly mystifying is what you are trying to show, if
anything, by posting it.  Is this supposed to prove some kind of
point?  Your code is not _a priori_ easier to understand than
the equivalent C code; if anything, it is harder to understand
because of your poorly chosen names.

	- Dan C.

-->Rust implementation of Timers, mentioned above<--

As mentioned above, if I were providing the FreeRTOS timers API
in an alternative language, I'd write it differently from the
start.  In particular, I'd use an enumeration to describe the
behavior with respect to repeating, and I'd use a closure to
obviate the need for the opaque id.  Something that isn't easy
to express in the original API is a type of repeating timer that
waits for the initial period, and then repeats with some
different period.

Something like this:

```rust
pub mod timer {
    use std::sync::atomic::{AtomicBool, Ordering};
    use std::time::Duration;

    /// Errors that may occur when working with timers.
    #[derive(Clone, Copy, Debug)]
    pub enum Error {
        Running,
        CantStop,
        WontStop,
    }

    /// Describes the kind of a timer, as defined by its
    /// periodicity.
    ///
    /// A timer can either be a `OneShot` timer, which fires
    /// once, after its timeout expires, or it may be a Repeating
    /// timer, which will automatically reset after its handler
    /// is run and continue firing at the rate defined by the
    /// initial timeout, or it can be a periodic timer, that
    /// will fire the first time at the initial timeout, and
    /// then repeatedly a potentially different timeout.  This
    /// use case can be simulated by a OneShot timer that
    /// creates a repeating Timer, but
    ///
    /// Once started, Repeating and Periodic timers continue
    /// firing until explicitly stopped.
    #[derive(Clone, Copy, Debug)]
    pub enum Kind {
        OneShot,
        Repeating,
        Periodic(Duration),
    }

    /// A named timer, that is handled by the given callback.
    pub struct Timer<'a, F> { 
        pub name: &'a str,
        pub kind: Kind,
        pub timeout: Duration,
        callback: F,
        running: AtomicBool,
        // Whatever other innards...
        // ...
    }

    /// A read-only "view" into the timer.
    pub trait TimerView {
        fn name(&self) -> &str;
        fn kind(&self) -> Kind;
        fn timeout(&self) -> Duration;
    }

    impl<'a, F: Fn(&dyn TimerView)> Timer<'a, F> {
        /// Creates a new named timer of the given kind with an
        /// initial timeout.  When the timeout expires, it will
        /// automatically invoke the given handler.
        pub fn new(
            name: &'a str,
            timeout: Duration,
            kind: Kind,
            callback: F,
        ) -> Timer<'a, F> {
            let running = AtomicBool::new(false);
            Self {
                name,
                kind,
                callback,
                timeout,
                running,
            }
        }

        /// Starts the timer.
        pub fn start(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
            if self.running.swap(true, Ordering::AcqRel) {
                return Err(Error::Running);
            }
            self.arm(self.timeout)?;
            Ok(())
        }

        /// Stops the timer.
        ///
        /// Note that this inherently races with the timer firing,
        /// and a timer event that occurs while we are disabling
        /// the timer may still invoke `fired` after this returns.
        ///
        /// Callers are advised to determine definitively that
        /// there are no events pending for this timer before
        /// destroying the `Timer` object.
        pub fn stop(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
            let was_running = self.running.swap(false, Ordering::AcqRel);
            if !was_running {
                return Err(Error::WontStop);
            }
            self.disarm();
            Ok(())
        }

        // Automatically called when the timeout fires.
        //
        // # Safety
        //
        // Nothing may be mutably borrowing a reference to the
        // Timer object when this is called.
        pub(super) unsafe fn fired(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
            if !self.running.load(Ordering::Acquire) {
                return Ok(());
            }
            (self.callback)(self);
            match self.kind {
                Kind::OneShot => Ok(()),
                Kind::Repeating => self.arm(self.timeout),
                Kind::Periodic(period) => self.arm(period),
            }
        }

        // Arranges for `self.fired(self)` to be called when
        // the given timeout expires.
        fn arm(&self, timeout: Duration) -> Result<(), Error> {
            // Does whatever one does here to actually arm the
            // timer (e.g., calls a HAL to actually program a
            // physical timer to interrupt after the amount of
            // time specified by `Duration`, for example).
            // ...
            Ok(())
        }

        // Disables an armed timer, so that it does not fire
        // after this returns.
        fn disarm(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
            // whatever one does here to disarm an active timer
            // ...
            Ok(())
        }
    }

    impl<F> TimerView for Timer<'_, F> {
        fn name(&self) -> &str { self.name }
        fn kind(&self) -> Kind { self.kind }
        fn timeout(&self) -> Duration { self.timeout }
    }
}
```

One might use this with something like,

```
    let value = 42;
    let cb = move |timer: &dyn timer::TimerView| {
        println!(
            "Timer '{}' fired; value is {} and duration was {} ms",
            timer.name(),
	    value,
            timer.timeout().as_millis()
        );
    };
    let timeout = std::time::Duration::from_millis(100);
    let timer = timer::Timer::new("timer", timeout, timer::Kind::OneShot, &cb);
    timer.start().expect("Timer started");
    //... at some point the timer fires and prints,
    // 'Timer 'timer1' fired; value is 42 and duration was 100 ms'
}
```

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#403387

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-10-20 21:30 +0100
Message-ID<11b8j17$3btus$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403383
On 20/10/2026 20:24, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?

Within the context of that application then it would be clear. You're 
just being overly hostile.

(Within the app, PCL is the name of a bytecode language, and 'pcl' is a 
reference to a specific instruction.

Next time I'll just use T for such examples, since the type is not 
relevant to the point. Although that didn't stop you seizing upon my F 
function.)


>> Here is the one place I do remember using typedef for a function pointer
>> (from an old project, not in C):
>>
>>      type fnptr = ref proc
>>
>>      repeat
>>          (fnptr(pcptr^))^()
>>      until stopped

> More generally, I fail to see what this is trying to
> demonstrate.

Not much. It is just a rare example of my using aliases for function 
pointers.  Because I suggested such aliases are often unnecessary and 
partly used in C to get around the fiddly type syntax that would arise.

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#403389

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-20 21:44 +0000
Message-ID<11b8nc4$9aq$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403387
In article <11b8j17$3btus$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 20/10/2026 20:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>
>> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
>> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
>> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?
>
>Within the context of that application then it would be clear. You're 
>just being overly hostile.

Not really.  You are, I presume, posting that code to try and
make some kind of point about how "readable" it is.  But it's
not readable unless you already know what it does.

On the other hand, the code David posted _is_ readable, because
it uses the language to encode domain-specific information into
type names.

>(Within the app, PCL is the name of a bytecode language, and 'pcl' is a 
>reference to a specific instruction.
>
>Next time I'll just use T for such examples, since the type is not 
>relevant to the point. Although that didn't stop you seizing upon my F 
>function.)

You just don't get it.  I suspect you have no idea what the
`typedef`s David posted actually represent.

>>> Here is the one place I do remember using typedef for a function pointer
>>> (from an old project, not in C):
>>>
>>>      type fnptr = ref proc
>>>
>>>      repeat
>>>          (fnptr(pcptr^))^()
>>>      until stopped
>
>> More generally, I fail to see what this is trying to
>> demonstrate.
>
>Not much. It is just a rare example of my using aliases for function 
>pointers.  Because I suggested such aliases are often unnecessary and 
>partly used in C to get around the fiddly type syntax that would arise.

Yeah, you really just don't get it.

	- Dan C.

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#403390

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-10-20 23:43 +0100
Message-ID<11b8qqg$3ejlp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403389
On 20/10/2026 22:44, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <11b8j17$3btus$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 20:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
>>> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
>>> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?
>>
>> Within the context of that application then it would be clear. You're
>> just being overly hostile.
> 
> Not really.  You are, I presume, posting that code to try and
> make some kind of point about how "readable" it is.  But it's
> not readable unless you already know what it does.

What it does not relevant. This is simply defining an array of T. But 
because T happens to be a function pointer, DB insists that an alias 
must be created, and a new name invented.

Why? Probably because in C, the syntax for function pointers gets hairy.

> On the other hand, the code David posted _is_ readable, because
> it uses the language to encode domain-specific information into
> type names.

Maybe we should create aliases for function signatures more often then, 
then we can encode that extra info.

So that instead of, for example:

     void SomeFunc(int x, int y) {printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}

you do:

     typedef void Take2Ints(int x, int y);

     Take2Ints SomeFunc {printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}

If you have a suite of functions sharing the signature, then it might be 
a good idea. But funnily enough, you never see this being done.

(I don't know if this is legal C; but it works fine with my compiler:

   c:\m>type fred.c
   #include <stdio.h>

   typedef void Take2Ints(int x, int y);

   Take2Ints SomeFunc{printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}

   int main(void) { SomeFunc(10, 20); }

   c:\m>bcc -r -q fred
   10 20

)

> Yeah, you really just don't get it.
One of us doesn't get it.

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#403394

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-21 00:56 +0000
Message-ID<11b92j1$dhb$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403390
In article <11b8qqg$3ejlp$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 20/10/2026 22:44, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <11b8j17$3btus$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2026 20:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
>>>> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
>>>> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?
>>>
>>> Within the context of that application then it would be clear. You're
>>> just being overly hostile.
>> 
>> Not really.  You are, I presume, posting that code to try and
>> make some kind of point about how "readable" it is.  But it's
>> not readable unless you already know what it does.
>
>What it does not relevant. This is simply defining an array of T. But 
>because T happens to be a function pointer, DB insists that an alias 
>must be created, and a new name invented.
>
>Why? Probably because in C, the syntax for function pointers gets hairy.

I dunno; your syntax didn't seem any clearer to me.

>> On the other hand, the code David posted _is_ readable, because
>> it uses the language to encode domain-specific information into
>> type names.
>
>Maybe we should create aliases for function signatures more often then, 
>then we can encode that extra info.
>
>So that instead of, for example:
>
>     void SomeFunc(int x, int y) {printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}
>
>you do:
>
>     typedef void Take2Ints(int x, int y);
>
>     Take2Ints SomeFunc {printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}
>
>If you have a suite of functions sharing the signature, then it might be 
>a good idea. But funnily enough, you never see this being done.

Yeah, you really don't get it.

You remind me of the guy at Google who objected to importing the
`std::` namespace in C++ into the default scope; "oh, so what;
we should all write ::std::whatever::foo<::std::blah>(...)?!" as
if finding the most stupidly extreme example was somehow a
useful technical argument.  He also spent all his time on
mailing lists arguing about how everybody else Got It Wrong.  He
got fired a few months later.

>(I don't know if this is legal C; but it works fine with my compiler:
>
>   c:\m>type fred.c
>   #include <stdio.h>
>
>   typedef void Take2Ints(int x, int y);
>
>   Take2Ints SomeFunc{printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}
>
>   int main(void) { SomeFunc(10, 20); }
>
>   c:\m>bcc -r -q fred
>   10 20
>)

Yeah, I gues running it through `gcc` is a really heavy lift.
<eyeroll>

>> Yeah, you really just don't get it.
>
>One of us doesn't get it.

I'm glad you can admit it.

	- Dan C.

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#403397

Frombart <bc@freeuk.com>
Date2026-10-21 02:39 +0100
Message-ID<11b954e$3hjvi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403394
On 21/10/2026 01:56, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <11b8qqg$3ejlp$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 22:44, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> In article <11b8j17$3btus$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20/10/2026 20:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
>>>>> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
>>>>> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?
>>>>
>>>> Within the context of that application then it would be clear. You're
>>>> just being overly hostile.
>>>
>>> Not really.  You are, I presume, posting that code to try and
>>> make some kind of point about how "readable" it is.  But it's
>>> not readable unless you already know what it does.
>>
>> What it does not relevant. This is simply defining an array of T. But
>> because T happens to be a function pointer, DB insists that an alias
>> must be created, and a new name invented.
>>
>> Why? Probably because in C, the syntax for function pointers gets hairy.
> 
> I dunno; your syntax didn't seem any clearer to me.

Yeah, the C is so much clearer. Of course, you would all lie through 
your teeth anyway before you'd admit mine might be simpler.

I've just defined three entities: a variable, a function pointer, and a 
function, in both my syntax and in C's.

Here are the first tokens of the C versions:

  int
  int
  int

Can you guess which one is which yet?

Here are the first three tokens in my syntax:

  int
  func
  ref

Any easier? This is like PL Design 101.

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#403398

FromKeith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com>
Date2026-10-20 18:55 -0700
Message-ID<11b963d$3h5oi$2@kst.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#403397
bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
[...]
> Yeah, the C is so much clearer. Of course, you would all lie through
> your teeth anyway before you'd admit mine might be simpler.
[...]

You preemptively accuse someone of being a liar, and then you wonder
why people are hostile to you.

Tone down the insults and hyperbole.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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#403400

Fromgazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack)
Date2026-10-21 07:22 +0000
Message-ID<11b9p89$1euuv$1@news.xmission.com>
In reply to#403398
In article <11b963d$3h5oi$2@kst.eternal-september.org>,
Keith Thompson  <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> wrote:
>bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>[...]
>> Yeah, the C is so much clearer. Of course, you would all lie through
>> your teeth anyway before you'd admit mine might be simpler.
>[...]
>
>You preemptively accuse someone of being a liar, and then you wonder
>why people are hostile to you.
>
>Tone down the insults and hyperbole.

The Lord and Master has spoken.

All must comply with His dictates.

-- 
Just like Donald Trump today, Jesus Christ had a Messiah complex.

And, in fact, the similarities between the two figures are quite striking.
For example, both have a ragtag band of followers, whose faith cannot be shaken.

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#403399

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-21 01:56 +0000
Message-ID<11b964s$8a9$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403397
In article <11b954e$3hjvi$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>On 21/10/2026 01:56, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <11b8qqg$3ejlp$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2026 22:44, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> In article <11b8j17$3btus$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 20/10/2026 20:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>>>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
>>>>>> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
>>>>>> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?
>>>>>
>>>>> Within the context of that application then it would be clear. You're
>>>>> just being overly hostile.
>>>>
>>>> Not really.  You are, I presume, posting that code to try and
>>>> make some kind of point about how "readable" it is.  But it's
>>>> not readable unless you already know what it does.
>>>
>>> What it does not relevant. This is simply defining an array of T. But
>>> because T happens to be a function pointer, DB insists that an alias
>>> must be created, and a new name invented.
>>>
>>> Why? Probably because in C, the syntax for function pointers gets hairy.
>> 
>> I dunno; your syntax didn't seem any clearer to me.
>
>Yeah, the C is so much clearer. Of course, you would all lie through 
>your teeth anyway before you'd admit mine might be simpler.

Oh, grow up.

	- Dan C.

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#403415

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-10-21 15:10 +0200
Message-ID<11badkg$3uqp4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403390
On 21/10/2026 00:43, bart wrote:
> On 20/10/2026 22:44, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <11b8j17$3btus$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> On 20/10/2026 20:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>>>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
>>>> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
>>>> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?
>>>
>>> Within the context of that application then it would be clear. You're
>>> just being overly hostile.
>>
>> Not really.  You are, I presume, posting that code to try and
>> make some kind of point about how "readable" it is.  But it's
>> not readable unless you already know what it does.
> 
> What it does not relevant. This is simply defining an array of T. But 
> because T happens to be a function pointer, DB insists that an alias 
> must be created, and a new name invented.

I did not "insist" or say that an alias "must" be created.  I said 
that's normally what you should do in real code, to make it clear, 
readable and maintainable.

Note that I wrote (in regard to the "pcl" stuff) :

"""
I have no idea what your code is supposed to do, so I have no idea what 
names would be good.  Presumably you /do/ know what it is for - such as 
what "pcl" means - so /you/ pick good names.  Maybe "host_handler_fn" ?
"""

If "pcl" makes sense in the context of your code, that's fine - use it 
in your names.


But don't use generic names where specific names impart useful 
information.  Don't re-use generic names because of a coincidence in the 
underlying implementation - use names that make sense where they are used.

> 
> Why? Probably because in C, the syntax for function pointers gets hairy.

No, this is all because I (and Dan) know how to write good code in a 
clear (to appropriate readers) and maintainable manner.  The syntax is 
irrelevant.  We appreciate that you find C's declaration syntax 
confusing and difficult - I think that after the first two or three 
hundred repetitions, it finally sank in.  But please stop projecting 
your weaknesses and prejudices onto other people.  I do not name 
function pointer types because of C's syntax - I name them because the 
code is better in many ways when the types are named.  I would do the 
same in Pascal, Rust, Ada, or any other language, regardless of the syntax.

> 
>> On the other hand, the code David posted _is_ readable, because
>> it uses the language to encode domain-specific information into
>> type names.
> 
> Maybe we should create aliases for function signatures more often then, 
> then we can encode that extra info.
> 
> So that instead of, for example:
> 
>      void SomeFunc(int x, int y) {printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}
> 
> you do:
> 
>      typedef void Take2Ints(int x, int y);
> 
>      Take2Ints SomeFunc {printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}
> 

Maybe we should not.  That is not helpful to code clarity.  It is a 
pointless generic name (showing that you /still/ do not understand the 
fundamental matter of giving useful and informative names), and instead 
of /giving/ useful additional information, it /hides/ details at the 
point in the code where they are vital.

Now, if you had a concept of "Coordinate handler" that was expected to 
receive an x, y pair and do something with them, then it is possible 
that you would have a header file "coordinate_handlers.h" with :

	typedef void Coordinate_Handler_Func(int x, int y);

and some related function declarations :

	Coordinate_Handler_Func dummy_handler;
	Coordinate_Handler_Func simple_printer;
	Coordinate_Handler_Func fly_to_new_coordinates;

You are putting the emphasis here on what sort of usage you expect for 
these functions, with the assumption that code using them knows how to 
call them.  This could be handy if you have another module that needs to 
build an array or other data structure with these functions - it does 
not care about the implementation details, and uses the function type 
(or a pointer to the function type) without looking at its contents:

	#include "coordinate_handlers.h"

	size_t build_coordinate_handler_array(
		Coordinate_Handler_Func * hs, size_t max_handlers)
	{
		assert(max_handlers >= 3);
		hs[0] = &dummy_handler;
		hs[1] = &simple_printer;
		hs[2] = &fly_to_new_coordinates;

		return 3;
	}

A caller function might have :

	#include "coordinate_handlers.h"

	void call_handler(size_t handler_no, int x, int y) {
		assert(handler_no < no_of_handlers);

		Coordinate_Handler_Func h * handlers[handler_no];
		h(x, y);
	}


Handler implementations would be written normally :

	#include "coordinate_handlers.h"

	void simple_printer(int x, int y) {
		printf("%d %d\n, x, y);
	}


Then later when you decide to go to 3 dimensions, you need to change 
code that calls these handlers, and you need to change the handler 
implementations (and you'll get compile-time errors until you do), but 
generic "in the middle" code like "build_coordinate_handler_array" is 
unchanged.

But if the code also happened to need lots of functions for drawing 
titles at x, y coordinates, it would have :

	typedef void Title_Drawer_Func(int x, int y);

You would /not/ re-use the same typedef, just because the implementation 
is the same, when the /purpose/ is different.


> If you have a suite of functions sharing the signature, then it might be 
> a good idea. But funnily enough, you never see this being done.
> 

Given that it is not remotely close to valid C, I don't think it is 
particularly surprising.

> (I don't know if this is legal C; but it works fine with my compiler:

Your compiler is not a C compiler - it's a compiler for an undefined and 
undocumented superset of an undefined and undocumented subset of an 
undocumented version of C.  If that's all you need, there's nothing 
wrong with that - but what works or does not work with your compiler is 
no indication of what is or is not "legal" C.

> 
>    c:\m>type fred.c
>    #include <stdio.h>
> 
>    typedef void Take2Ints(int x, int y);
> 
>    Take2Ints SomeFunc{printf("%d %d\n", x, y);}
> 
>    int main(void) { SomeFunc(10, 20); }
> 
>    c:\m>bcc -r -q fred
>    10 20
> 
> )
> 
>> Yeah, you really just don't get it.
> One of us doesn't get it.

Exactly.  I'm fairly sure you are alone here.

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#403412

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-10-21 14:17 +0200
Message-ID<11baah2$3te3v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403383
On 20/10/2026 21:24, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 09:01, David Brown wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2026 23:28, bart wrote:
>>
>>>> (Funny that when I suggest that nested loop breaks are uncommon,
>>>> everyone says I'm wrong! Some even write 200-line made-up examples to
>>>> prove their point.)
>>>
>>> I don't remember "everyone" saying you were wrong to say that nested
>>> loop breaks are uncommon - in fact, I don't remember /anyone/ saying
>>> that was wrong.
>>
>> (There was a LOT of antipathy towards my idea to fix the common case of
>> 'loop-break' clashing with 'switch-break', BECAUSE it did not fix the
>> problem of nested loop-break, which is uncommon, even though that wasn't
>> the aim.)
> 
> Those are two different things.  No one disagrees with you that
> "nested break from a switch inside of a loop" is relatively more
> common than other variants.
> 

Quibble - that is not established to my satisfaction.  I am not 
convinced that wanting a nested break for "switch inside loop" is more 
common than wanting it for "loop inside loop".  So I neither agree nor 
disagree with that claim.  I don't, however, think it matters much - 
both are situations that turn up sometimes in code, and definitive 
answers are neither possible nor useful.

> Using that as an excuse not to provide a more general mechanism
> because you already have a proposal for the specific case is
> what I and others took you to task for.  I find this ironic,
> since you rail against things in C that you do not like, citing
> the most ridiculous examples you can think of that do not show
> up in actual programs, yet for something where it is pointed out
> to you that your solution does not generalize, you claim that it
> does not need to because ... the general case rarely shows up in
> a real program.
> 
>>>> There is no reason to abstract away that function pointer type.
>>>>
>>>> You probably do so in C /because/ the type involves * () and [] but
>>>> have somehow persuaded yourself that it just better that way.
>>>
>>> Do you hear that whooshing noise?  It is the sound of the point flying
>>> far above your head.
>>>
>>> Here is an example of some sensible function typedefs, all from third-
>>> party code (so not my "peculiar" style)
>>>
>>> typedef void (*TimerCallbackFunction_t)( TimerHandle_t xTimer );
>>>
>>> TimerHandle_t xTimerCreate(  const char * const pcTimerName,
>>>                    TickType_t xTimerPeriodInTicks,
>>>                    UBaseType_t uxAutoReload,
>>>                    void * pvTimerID,
>>>                    TimerCallbackFunction_t pxCallbackFunction );
>>>
>>> typedef void (*lwip_thread_fn)(void *arg);
>>> typedef void (*tcpip_init_done_fn)(void *arg);
>>> typedef void (*tcpip_callback_fn)(void *ctx);
>>> typedef void (* sys_timeout_handler)(void *arg);
>>> typedef void (*dns_found_callback)(const char *name,
>>>                    const ip_addr_t *ipaddr, void *callback_arg);
>>
>> This is the kind of C I find hard to read. There are lots of typedefs
>> but few uses of those typedefs that I can see, so I don't know how much
>> difference they make.
> 
> You again missed the entire point.  You may not see many uses
> of them, but as David says, the `typedef`s give you
> domain-specific *names* understandable to the programmer: a
> programmer can see the `sys_timeout_handler` type instantly know
> that this has a different function than the,
> `tcpip_callback_fn`, despite the having the same type.

Exactly.

> 
> The other point is that the ridiculous examples you make up to
> illustrate your distaste for C declaration syntax basically do
> not appear in real programs.
> 
>> [snip]
>> I've left in the regular parameter names, even though C doesn't need
>> them, but they are quite heavy - you don't really need those
>> Hungarian-style prefixes.)
>>
>> Well, I guess this buys you one thing: the parameter name for the last
>> parameter is to the right of its type, rather than be inside it. But a C
>> expert should not be fazed by that.
>>
>> Here is the same function as I might write it in an alternative syntax.
>>
>> I've kept the same names, but changed case-style and removed prefixes
>> and suffixes. I've capitalised user-type names:
>>
>> func TimerCreate(                 # (retain case if FFI import)
>>      ichar     timername,
>>      Ticktype  timerperiodinticks,
>>      Ubasetype autoreload,
>>      ref void  timerid,
>>      ref proc(Timerhandle) callbackfn)
>>
>> In this form, it's hard to see what benefit a typedef would give for
>> that last parameter; it is simple enough.
> 
> What is your point?  Do you have one?  If you don't want to use
> C, don't use C.
> 
> There are plenty of languages that can do this kind of thing
> that are not C and have syntax and semantics closer to what you
> seem to want.  Here's an example in Rust:
> 
> pub trait TimerHandle { ... }
> 
> fn CreateTimer<T>(
>      timer_name: &str,
>      period: std::time::Duration,
>      auto_reload: bool,
>      timer_id: T,
>      handler: fn(&dyn TimerHandle),
> ) -> Result<Timer<T>, TimerError>
> 
> I didn't know what an `UBaseType_t` is, and while "autoreload"
> sounded pretty intuitive, I wasn't sure about the semantics, so
> I looked it up (the example comes from `FreeRTOS`).  In this
> context, it is a boolean saying whether the timer should repeat
> with the given periodicity, or whether it is a one-shot.

FreeRTOS is written in C90 - a mistake, IMHO - and thus does not use 
bool.  Instead, it uses constants pdTRUE and pdFALSE of type 
UBaseType_t.  UBaseType_t is a type that is dependent on the target - 
usually it is either 16-bit or 32-bit.  But of course it doesn't matter 
what the underlying types are - you use the typedef names, and the 
documented constants.

> 
> The timer_id is opaque to the timer, and it looks like it's used
> to facilitating the handler accessing timer-specific data.  In
> C, passing it as a `void *` is used as a way to get a poor-man's
> overloading.  But Rust has generics, I just made it generic over
> some type T.

FreeRTOS uses "void *" to mean "pointer to internal structure that you 
shouldn't be messing with".  It uses this far too often, and is, IMHO, a 
poor design choice.  (I also dislike the silly Hungarian naming.)  I 
would much preferred if there had been :

	struct Internal_Timer_Struct;
	typedef struct Internal_Timer_Struct * timer_id_t;

and then the parameter "timer_id_t timer_id".  So in a re-write, it 
would not be a generic.  (You might choose to use a generic for the 
handler function type, so that handler callbacks could have parameters 
of other types, but not for the timer id.)

I am using these declarations from FreeRTOS (and LWIP) to demonstrate 
the use of function typedefs in massively popular codebases, not to 
claim FreeRTOS is a paradigm of C code design!

> 
> If I were writing this from scratch in Rust, a language that has
> generics, closures, and so sum types, I'd do the whole thing
> differently; see the end for an example.
> 
> But I digress.  The point here is, Bart, that alternatives exist
> if you don't like C.  You don't have to keep posting, over and
> over again, in comp.lang.c of all places, about how oh so
> terribly awful C is.  If you don't want to program in C, simply
> don't program in C.
> 
>>> Ask yourself why the typedefs are used.  Look at the /names/.  Those
>>> last four are all from the same network stack library, and are all
>>> typedefs for "void (*)(void*)".
>>
>> Until you mentioned it, I hadn't noticed. So typedef has done a good job
>> of hiding that useful fact! But looking more closely, it is the first
>> four of the last five.
>>
>> Let's take one:
>>
>>   typedef void (*lwip_thread_fn)(void *arg);
>>
>> That 'arg' is not much use for a start (other than being a hint that
>> this particular (...) is where the parameters go).
>>
>> So, maybe this is used like this:
>>
>>    void F(lwip_thread_fn lwip_thread_callback);
> 
> I have no idea what you're trying to say here.  The obvious (and
> honestly, excusable) syntax error aside, what is F?  It's a
> function that, what, takes two function pointers?
> 
> The type defined by `lwip_thread_fn` is a pointer to a function
> that takes a void pointer (`void *`) as its sole arugment, and
> returns `void` (that is, has no meaningful return value).
> 
> Intuitively, the name implies that this is the function run as
> some thread, so we'd pass it to a thread creation function.  The
> usual shape of those things is to give them a pointer to some
> function to run in the new thread, and a pointer to some
> arguments to be passed to that function.

Yes.

>  For example:
> 
> void
> whatever(void *argp)
> {
> 	struct Args *args = argp;
> 	while (keep_running()) {
> 		// Do the thing the thread is supposed to do.
> 	}
> 	thread_exit(SUCCESS);
> }
> 
> thread_t *
> start_the_whatever_thread(void)
> {
> 	struct Args *args = malloc(sizeof(*args));
> 	if (args == NULL) abort();
> 	memset(args, 0, sizeof(*args));
> 	args->whatever = something();
> 	// etc...
> 	thread_t *thr = thread_create(whatever, args);
> 	if (thr == NULL) abort();
> 	return thr;
> }
> 
> Something could start this as:
> 
> 	thread_t *whatever_id = start_the_whatever_thread();
> 
> At some point later, if you want to wait for the thread to
> exit, you'd run:
> 
> 	(void)thread_join(whatever_id);
> 
> Note this is decently complex behavior, but it's actually quite
> intuitive from the name and the type.
> 

You have got a very clear picture here, much of it from the names of the 
types.  For a Rust programmer, you give a good impression of experience 
with C :-)

The only mistake you made is that programmers working on systems using 
FreeRTOS and the like, have a fear and loathing of "malloc", have never 
heard of "abort()", and do not join our threads because they all run 
until the power is switched off.

>> Here you have two identifiers imparting the sort kind of information; a
>> tautology.
> 
> That's not what a tautology is.
> 
>> If that function pointer pattern is common, or recurs in a suite of
>> functions, I might also have used a typedef, but with a common name.
> 
> Then you loose the domain specificity; you can't tell from the
> name whether you need an LwIP thread, or a callback, or a
> something run in a different thread, or just a plain 'ol
> function you want to apply to run every now and again for a side
> effect.

Precisely.

> 
>> Then only one would be needed, say:
>>
>>   typedef void (*stack_callbackfn)(void);
>>
>> I might have done the same in that alternate syntax as it would start to
>> get cluttery: 'ref proc(ref void)', but also in order to define that
>> common pattern in one place.
> 
> I dunno.  Sounds like you have no idea what the code that David
> posted is meant to do.  But that's a "you" problem.
> 
>>>> Note that 'pcl' in my example /is/ a typedef; here it makes sense as
>>>> it is used in 100s of places. This function pointer occurs in only one
>>>> place.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I had mistaken you for a programmer who wanted to write good,
>>> clear programs.  Naming things is not a shortcut to save keypresses.
>>
>> Isn't that one of the main uses of typedefs? So as to give a handy,
>> 'euphonious' one-token alias to an elaborate typedef.
>>
>> It also allows you to change the type in one place without having to
>> update hundreds of instances.
>>
>> It also allows the type to be opaque.
> 
> The point is that the name you chose is meaningless to anyone
> other than you.  What's a PCL?  Phase Control Line?  Printer
> Command Language?  Photon Compressor Loop?
> 
>> Saving keypresses is bonus benefit, but if it is shorter, then it can
>> also help readability as other critical elements are not overshadowed.
>>
>> So I'm not sure what objection you have to this particular use of it.
> 
> Have you ever written a large program that was maintained by
> anyone other than yourself?
> 
>> Here is the one place I do remember using typedef for a function pointer
>> (from an old project, not in C):
>>
>>      type fnptr = ref proc
>>
>>      repeat
>>          (fnptr(pcptr^))^()
>>      until stopped
>>
>> It's used as a cast, but reason I have it is because with simple cast
>> syntax, which is 'T(X)', the meaning without it would be ambiguous (a
>> grammar issue that I might fix one day).
>>
>> Rather than fallback to standard cast syntax (which is 'cast(X, T)'),
>> this was tidier.
> 
> I can only guess at what this may mean.  Hazarding a guess,
> `pcptr` is a "pointer to a program counter", which is a
> reference type to some type that represents some executable
> memory location in the program.  You then have a loop that runs
> until "stopped" is true where you indirect the program counter
> pointer, cast it to a pointer to a function, and then invoke
> the function, right?  One presumes you have the, "PC Pointer"
> because it changes over time, otherwise, you'd just give
> whatever it points to a name and call it.
> 
> More generally, I fail to see what this is trying to
> demonstrate.  If it's to show some sort of imagined superiority
> over C, I don't see it; that's sort of thing is easy enough to
> write:
> 
> 	typedef void (*fnptr)(void);
> 
> 	// Assume uintptr_t *pcptr is declared somewhere.
> 	do {
> 		((fnptr)*pcptr)();
> 	} while (!stopped);
> 
> E.g.,
> 
> ```
> term% cat b.c
> #include <stdbool.h>
> #include <stddef.h>
> #include <stdint.h>
> #include <stdio.h>
> 
> static void first(void);
> 
> typedef void (*fnptr)(void);
> bool stopped = false;
> uintptr_t pc = (uintptr_t)first;
> uintptr_t *pcptr = &pc;
> 
> void
> done(void)
> {
>          printf("done\n");
>          stopped = true;
> }
> 
> void
> second(void)
> {
>          printf("second\n");
>          *pcptr = (uintptr_t)done;
> }
> 
> void
> first(void)
> {
>          printf("first\n");
>          *pcptr = (uintptr_t)second;
> }
> 
> void
> run(void)
> {
>          do {
>                  ((fnptr)*pcptr)();
>          } while (!stopped);
> }
> 
> int
> main(void)
> {
>          run();
>          return 0;
> }
> term% gcc-16 -std=c11 -pedantic -o b b.c
> term% ./b
> first
> second
> done
> term%
> ```

Or just have :

	fnptr pc = first;
	fnptr *pcptr = &pc;
	
I don't see a need for "uintptr_t", except so that you have to have 
casts like Bart had.

> 
>>>> BTW what name would be given to such a function pointer type?
>>
>>> I have no idea what your code is supposed to do,
>>
>> It's a table of function pointers! All sharing the same signature.
>>
>> That's pretty generic. Is it really that hard to guess? You don't need
>> to know what they do, other than at some point they will be called as
>> handlertable[i](arg).
> 
> That part is fine.
> 
> What's utterly mystifying is what you are trying to show, if
> anything, by posting it.  Is this supposed to prove some kind of
> point?  Your code is not _a priori_ easier to understand than
> the equivalent C code; if anything, it is harder to understand
> because of your poorly chosen names.
> 
> 	- Dan C.
> 
> -->Rust implementation of Timers, mentioned above<--
> 
> As mentioned above, if I were providing the FreeRTOS timers API
> in an alternative language, I'd write it differently from the
> start.  In particular, I'd use an enumeration to describe the
> behavior with respect to repeating, and I'd use a closure to
> obviate the need for the opaque id.  Something that isn't easy
> to express in the original API is a type of repeating timer that
> waits for the initial period, and then repeats with some
> different period.
> 
> Something like this:
> 
> ```rust
> pub mod timer {
>      use std::sync::atomic::{AtomicBool, Ordering};
>      use std::time::Duration;
> 
>      /// Errors that may occur when working with timers.
>      #[derive(Clone, Copy, Debug)]
>      pub enum Error {
>          Running,
>          CantStop,
>          WontStop,
>      }
> 
>      /// Describes the kind of a timer, as defined by its
>      /// periodicity.
>      ///
>      /// A timer can either be a `OneShot` timer, which fires
>      /// once, after its timeout expires, or it may be a Repeating
>      /// timer, which will automatically reset after its handler
>      /// is run and continue firing at the rate defined by the
>      /// initial timeout, or it can be a periodic timer, that
>      /// will fire the first time at the initial timeout, and
>      /// then repeatedly a potentially different timeout.  This
>      /// use case can be simulated by a OneShot timer that
>      /// creates a repeating Timer, but
>      ///
>      /// Once started, Repeating and Periodic timers continue
>      /// firing until explicitly stopped.
>      #[derive(Clone, Copy, Debug)]
>      pub enum Kind {
>          OneShot,
>          Repeating,
>          Periodic(Duration),
>      }
> 
>      /// A named timer, that is handled by the given callback.
>      pub struct Timer<'a, F> {
>          pub name: &'a str,
>          pub kind: Kind,
>          pub timeout: Duration,
>          callback: F,
>          running: AtomicBool,
>          // Whatever other innards...
>          // ...
>      }
> 
>      /// A read-only "view" into the timer.
>      pub trait TimerView {
>          fn name(&self) -> &str;
>          fn kind(&self) -> Kind;
>          fn timeout(&self) -> Duration;
>      }
> 
>      impl<'a, F: Fn(&dyn TimerView)> Timer<'a, F> {
>          /// Creates a new named timer of the given kind with an
>          /// initial timeout.  When the timeout expires, it will
>          /// automatically invoke the given handler.
>          pub fn new(
>              name: &'a str,
>              timeout: Duration,
>              kind: Kind,
>              callback: F,
>          ) -> Timer<'a, F> {
>              let running = AtomicBool::new(false);
>              Self {
>                  name,
>                  kind,
>                  callback,
>                  timeout,
>                  running,
>              }
>          }
> 
>          /// Starts the timer.
>          pub fn start(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
>              if self.running.swap(true, Ordering::AcqRel) {
>                  return Err(Error::Running);
>              }
>              self.arm(self.timeout)?;
>              Ok(())
>          }
> 
>          /// Stops the timer.
>          ///
>          /// Note that this inherently races with the timer firing,
>          /// and a timer event that occurs while we are disabling
>          /// the timer may still invoke `fired` after this returns.
>          ///
>          /// Callers are advised to determine definitively that
>          /// there are no events pending for this timer before
>          /// destroying the `Timer` object.
>          pub fn stop(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
>              let was_running = self.running.swap(false, Ordering::AcqRel);
>              if !was_running {
>                  return Err(Error::WontStop);
>              }
>              self.disarm();
>              Ok(())
>          }
> 
>          // Automatically called when the timeout fires.
>          //
>          // # Safety
>          //
>          // Nothing may be mutably borrowing a reference to the
>          // Timer object when this is called.
>          pub(super) unsafe fn fired(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
>              if !self.running.load(Ordering::Acquire) {
>                  return Ok(());
>              }
>              (self.callback)(self);
>              match self.kind {
>                  Kind::OneShot => Ok(()),
>                  Kind::Repeating => self.arm(self.timeout),
>                  Kind::Periodic(period) => self.arm(period),
>              }
>          }
> 
>          // Arranges for `self.fired(self)` to be called when
>          // the given timeout expires.
>          fn arm(&self, timeout: Duration) -> Result<(), Error> {
>              // Does whatever one does here to actually arm the
>              // timer (e.g., calls a HAL to actually program a
>              // physical timer to interrupt after the amount of
>              // time specified by `Duration`, for example).
>              // ...
>              Ok(())
>          }
> 
>          // Disables an armed timer, so that it does not fire
>          // after this returns.
>          fn disarm(&self) -> Result<(), Error> {
>              // whatever one does here to disarm an active timer
>              // ...
>              Ok(())
>          }
>      }
> 
>      impl<F> TimerView for Timer<'_, F> {
>          fn name(&self) -> &str { self.name }
>          fn kind(&self) -> Kind { self.kind }
>          fn timeout(&self) -> Duration { self.timeout }
>      }
> }
> ```
> 
> One might use this with something like,
> 
> ```
>      let value = 42;
>      let cb = move |timer: &dyn timer::TimerView| {
>          println!(
>              "Timer '{}' fired; value is {} and duration was {} ms",
>              timer.name(),
> 	    value,
>              timer.timeout().as_millis()
>          );
>      };
>      let timeout = std::time::Duration::from_millis(100);
>      let timer = timer::Timer::new("timer", timeout, timer::Kind::OneShot, &cb);
>      timer.start().expect("Timer started");
>      //... at some point the timer fires and prints,
>      // 'Timer 'timer1' fired; value is 42 and duration was 100 ms'
> }
> ```

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#403416

Fromcross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Date2026-10-21 13:22 +0000
Message-ID<11baeai$959$1@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to#403412
In article <11baah2$3te3v$1@dont-email.me>,
David Brown  <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>On 20/10/2026 21:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> (There was a LOT of antipathy towards my idea to fix the common case of
>>> 'loop-break' clashing with 'switch-break', BECAUSE it did not fix the
>>> problem of nested loop-break, which is uncommon, even though that wasn't
>>> the aim.)
>> 
>> Those are two different things.  No one disagrees with you that
>> "nested break from a switch inside of a loop" is relatively more
>> common than other variants.
>
>Quibble - that is not established to my satisfaction.  I am not 
>convinced that wanting a nested break for "switch inside loop" is more 
>common than wanting it for "loop inside loop".  So I neither agree nor 
>disagree with that claim.  I don't, however, think it matters much - 
>both are situations that turn up sometimes in code, and definitive 
>answers are neither possible nor useful.

Ok, that's fair; I shouldn't say "no one disagrees".

>> [snip]
>> There are plenty of languages that can do this kind of thing
>> that are not C and have syntax and semantics closer to what you
>> seem to want.  Here's an example in Rust:
>> 
>> pub trait TimerHandle { ... }
>> 
>> fn CreateTimer<T>(
>>      timer_name: &str,
>>      period: std::time::Duration,
>>      auto_reload: bool,
>>      timer_id: T,
>>      handler: fn(&dyn TimerHandle),
>> ) -> Result<Timer<T>, TimerError>
>> 
>> I didn't know what an `UBaseType_t` is, and while "autoreload"
>> sounded pretty intuitive, I wasn't sure about the semantics, so
>> I looked it up (the example comes from `FreeRTOS`).  In this
>> context, it is a boolean saying whether the timer should repeat
>> with the given periodicity, or whether it is a one-shot.
>
>FreeRTOS is written in C90 - a mistake, IMHO - and thus does not use 
>bool.  Instead, it uses constants pdTRUE and pdFALSE of type 
>UBaseType_t.  UBaseType_t is a type that is dependent on the target - 
>usually it is either 16-bit or 32-bit.  But of course it doesn't matter 
>what the underlying types are - you use the typedef names, and the 
>documented constants.

Thanks for the context.  Your point that the underlying type
doesn't matter is salient: it's opaque to the programmer, but
99% of the time the programmer doesn't need to worry about the
details.

>> The timer_id is opaque to the timer, and it looks like it's used
>> to facilitating the handler accessing timer-specific data.  In
>> C, passing it as a `void *` is used as a way to get a poor-man's
>> overloading.  But Rust has generics, I just made it generic over
>> some type T.
>
>FreeRTOS uses "void *" to mean "pointer to internal structure that you 
>shouldn't be messing with".  It uses this far too often, and is, IMHO, a 
>poor design choice.  (I also dislike the silly Hungarian naming.)  I 
>would much preferred if there had been :
>
>	struct Internal_Timer_Struct;
>	typedef struct Internal_Timer_Struct * timer_id_t;
>
>and then the parameter "timer_id_t timer_id".  So in a re-write, it 
>would not be a generic.  (You might choose to use a generic for the 
>handler function type, so that handler callbacks could have parameters 
>of other types, but not for the timer id.)
>
>I am using these declarations from FreeRTOS (and LWIP) to demonstrate 
>the use of function typedefs in massively popular codebases, not to 
>claim FreeRTOS is a paradigm of C code design!

Oh interesting; in this case, I had assumed it was treated as
a callback-specific type so one could plumb extra context into
the handler; the documentation I saw suggested it could be used
by the handler to disambiguate several timers reusing the same
handler function.

>>  For example:
>>
>> [snip]
>> 
>> Note this is decently complex behavior, but it's actually quite
>> intuitive from the name and the type.
>
>You have got a very clear picture here, much of it from the names of the 
>types.  For a Rust programmer, you give a good impression of experience 
>with C :-)

I've been known to dabble.

>The only mistake you made is that programmers working on systems using 
>FreeRTOS and the like, have a fear and loathing of "malloc", have never 
>heard of "abort()", and do not join our threads because they all run 
>until the power is switched off.

Ha, fair; that was just a made-up example, based on other thread
libraries I have used (in C).  I didn't mean for it to be
interpreted strictly in the context of FreeRTOS! :-D

> [snip]
>
>Or just have :
>
>	fnptr pc = first;
>	fnptr *pcptr = &pc;
>	
>I don't see a need for "uintptr_t", except so that you have to have 
>casts like Bart had.

Yes.  But I wanted to remain faithful to his original, to show
that one could write a more-or-less exact transliteration in C
that was extremely similar to his chosen syntax.

>> [Snip a bunch of Rust code; the point of which being that
>>  bart need not complain about lack of an alternative to C]

	- Dan C.

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#403421

FromDavid Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Date2026-10-21 17:29 +0200
Message-ID<11balos$1042$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#403416
On 21/10/2026 15:22, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <11baah2$3te3v$1@dont-email.me>,
> David Brown  <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:
>> On 20/10/2026 21:24, Dan Cross wrote:
>>> In article <11b7k22$2v8e5$1@dont-email.me>, bart  <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> (There was a LOT of antipathy towards my idea to fix the common case of
>>>> 'loop-break' clashing with 'switch-break', BECAUSE it did not fix the
>>>> problem of nested loop-break, which is uncommon, even though that wasn't
>>>> the aim.)
>>>
>>> Those are two different things.  No one disagrees with you that
>>> "nested break from a switch inside of a loop" is relatively more
>>> common than other variants.
>>
>> Quibble - that is not established to my satisfaction.  I am not
>> convinced that wanting a nested break for "switch inside loop" is more
>> common than wanting it for "loop inside loop".  So I neither agree nor
>> disagree with that claim.  I don't, however, think it matters much -
>> both are situations that turn up sometimes in code, and definitive
>> answers are neither possible nor useful.
> 
> Ok, that's fair; I shouldn't say "no one disagrees".

And I didn't say I /did/ disagree - merely that I don't feel I have the 
information to disagree or agree.

We all over-generalise, and that's always bad!

> 
>>> [snip]
>>> There are plenty of languages that can do this kind of thing
>>> that are not C and have syntax and semantics closer to what you
>>> seem to want.  Here's an example in Rust:
>>>
>>> pub trait TimerHandle { ... }
>>>
>>> fn CreateTimer<T>(
>>>       timer_name: &str,
>>>       period: std::time::Duration,
>>>       auto_reload: bool,
>>>       timer_id: T,
>>>       handler: fn(&dyn TimerHandle),
>>> ) -> Result<Timer<T>, TimerError>
>>>
>>> I didn't know what an `UBaseType_t` is, and while "autoreload"
>>> sounded pretty intuitive, I wasn't sure about the semantics, so
>>> I looked it up (the example comes from `FreeRTOS`).  In this
>>> context, it is a boolean saying whether the timer should repeat
>>> with the given periodicity, or whether it is a one-shot.
>>
>> FreeRTOS is written in C90 - a mistake, IMHO - and thus does not use
>> bool.  Instead, it uses constants pdTRUE and pdFALSE of type
>> UBaseType_t.  UBaseType_t is a type that is dependent on the target -
>> usually it is either 16-bit or 32-bit.  But of course it doesn't matter
>> what the underlying types are - you use the typedef names, and the
>> documented constants.
> 
> Thanks for the context.  Your point that the underlying type
> doesn't matter is salient: it's opaque to the programmer, but
> 99% of the time the programmer doesn't need to worry about the
> details.

Yes.

> 
>>> The timer_id is opaque to the timer, and it looks like it's used
>>> to facilitating the handler accessing timer-specific data.  In
>>> C, passing it as a `void *` is used as a way to get a poor-man's
>>> overloading.  But Rust has generics, I just made it generic over
>>> some type T.
>>
>> FreeRTOS uses "void *" to mean "pointer to internal structure that you
>> shouldn't be messing with".  It uses this far too often, and is, IMHO, a
>> poor design choice.  (I also dislike the silly Hungarian naming.)  I
>> would much preferred if there had been :
>>
>> 	struct Internal_Timer_Struct;
>> 	typedef struct Internal_Timer_Struct * timer_id_t;
>>
>> and then the parameter "timer_id_t timer_id".  So in a re-write, it
>> would not be a generic.  (You might choose to use a generic for the
>> handler function type, so that handler callbacks could have parameters
>> of other types, but not for the timer id.)
>>
>> I am using these declarations from FreeRTOS (and LWIP) to demonstrate
>> the use of function typedefs in massively popular codebases, not to
>> claim FreeRTOS is a paradigm of C code design!
> 
> Oh interesting; in this case, I had assumed it was treated as
> a callback-specific type so one could plumb extra context into
> the handler; the documentation I saw suggested it could be used
> by the handler to disambiguate several timers reusing the same
> handler function.

Actually, I have mixed these up, and you are correct - the void* id is 
user-assigned, and you use it as you wish.  There are other places in 
FreeRTOS where pointer types get "erased" and reduced to void* 
unnecessarily, but this was not one of them.  (In my poor defence, the 
FreeRTOS code I have doesn't use timers, and the bits it does use - 
threads and queues, mainly - is abstracted to a C++ interface.)

> 
>>>   For example:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Note this is decently complex behavior, but it's actually quite
>>> intuitive from the name and the type.
>>
>> You have got a very clear picture here, much of it from the names of the
>> types.  For a Rust programmer, you give a good impression of experience
>> with C :-)
> 
> I've been known to dabble.
> 
>> The only mistake you made is that programmers working on systems using
>> FreeRTOS and the like, have a fear and loathing of "malloc", have never
>> heard of "abort()", and do not join our threads because they all run
>> until the power is switched off.
> 
> Ha, fair; that was just a made-up example, based on other thread
> libraries I have used (in C).  I didn't mean for it to be
> interpreted strictly in the context of FreeRTOS! :-D
> 
>> [snip]
>>
>> Or just have :
>>
>> 	fnptr pc = first;
>> 	fnptr *pcptr = &pc;
>> 	
>> I don't see a need for "uintptr_t", except so that you have to have
>> casts like Bart had.
> 
> Yes.  But I wanted to remain faithful to his original, to show
> that one could write a more-or-less exact transliteration in C
> that was extremely similar to his chosen syntax.
> 
>>> [Snip a bunch of Rust code; the point of which being that
>>>   bart need not complain about lack of an alternative to C]
> 

It was interesting to see the Rust code, but it made one thing clear to 
me - Rust should be used for writing Rust code, and not for writing C 
code in Rust syntax.

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