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Re: Are there any conformant C compilers?

From Manfred <noname@add.invalid>
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Subject Re: Are there any conformant C compilers?
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On 9/4/2022 3:17 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> 
>> On 04/09/2022 00:19, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 03/09/2022 20:24, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>>> Bart <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>        constexpr int = 123;            # Can use &
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All with their own limitations, a few of which are highlighted.
>>>>> Why is that a limitation?
>>>>
>>>> It's undesirable if you want proper separation between values and
>>>> objects in a language.
>>> Yes, it's undesirable (if you want that).  I wondered why you thought it
>>> was a /limitation/ -- i.e. that you had some use in mind that is ruled
>>> out by the possibility of using &.
>>
>> Perhaps the wrong choice of word then; maybe 'hindrance' is better if
>> looking for a way to express such a feature in C.
>>
>> Imagine transpiling from a language that implements it as you would
>> expect, into maintainable C code. (That is, not temporary code that is
>> only ever seen by a compiler; then you'd just write out actual
>> literals.)
>>
>> Which C features would you choose? Maybe 'limited' was apt after all.
> 
> auto constexpr.
> 
> But if the maintainer of the code going to be the knuckle-dragging,
> barely literate code monkey common to popular discussions of
> maintainable code, I'd go with
> 
> auto constexpr ... /* Turn on ALL compiler warnings and check each
>                        message, twice.  The overtime will be cheap given
>                        your salary. */
> 
>>>> But I guess C doesn't care about that purity, and perhaps you don't
>>>> either.
>>> No one with even the slightest interest in purity looks to C.  C's
>>> phenomenal success is a constant embarrassment to anyone advocating for
>>> pure language design.
>>
>> I feel, not embarrassment, but frustration when C is touted as being
>> THE example of a language that is small, simple, clean (compared with
>> C++!), explicit, close-to-the-metal, you know all the rest.
> 
> I've never seen it touted like that.  In the circles I moved in, it has
> always been considered a dangerous language, particularly in the hands
> of the inexperienced.  It was seen as useful for portability (almost
> nothing comes close) and for the fact almost everything else could link
> to C libraries.  When these mattered, my impression was the C was
> chosen, rather reluctantly, and the coding given to the best people.
> 
>> A whole generation doesn't realise that there could possibly be any
>> alternative, if you want a small-footprint systems language that can
>> be implemented (if using tcc) in 180KB and that can build programs at
>> 1Mlps (not much chance of such a compiler for Rust).
> 
> Curious.  Which generation is that, and why do they care about the
> implementation footprint?  I want top-class editors, compilers, linkers
> and debugging tools like valgrind and gcc's -fsanitize=undefined option
> for development.
> 
> There was a generation (mine) for whom 180KB for a compiler was out of
> the question (unless you wanted to fuss about with overlays).  We
> accepted a very restricted notion of what a compiler could do as a
> result.
> 
>> I'm not saying an alternative ought to look like my product (which is
>> a private tool anyway) but, yeah, you're right, it's embarrassing when
>> the only such language that can be recommended is C.
> 
> That's not what I said.  The embarrassment I was referring to was that
> of people who think that purity is (or should be) a winning feature.
> Languages succeed for a very complex constellation of reasons, and the
> elegance of the design does not rank very high.  The is partly because
> humans don't mind some linguistic complexity (compare English and
> Esperanto) but it's mostly down to socio-economic factors.

True (R.I.P. Pascal). However, I think that elegance of the design still 
has its place in success ranking.
My first programming course was using Fortran (in favor of Pascal) 
because it was considered the most portable language in the engineering 
world. It was not until several years later that C was accepted as a 
replacement.

The point is that, even if C is not an absolute 'pure' language, still 
it has good points in its design. Its memory model is quite solid even 
for today's standards, despite the fact of having been first designed in 
the '70s. If you don't want to call it elegance, call it effective 
design, or whatever. I still want to be skeptical about success being 
all about effective marketing.

> 
> There is also a curious logical reason for C's popularity.  There will
> always be a most portable and most linkable language, and C was one of
> the first candidates.  Only Fortran came close, and if you think C is
> quirky, try old Fortran.  Thus C had a head start and so new platforms
> had to have to have C to get all the portable code and libraries!  So
> the front runner gets further ahead.
> 

As for what C is /today/ this is definitely an integral part of its 
nature. If we could rewind the tape of history 50 years back, but with 
today's knowledge of systems design, C would surely be different. Still, 
as for its "head start", I think C had some good of its own in it.
Be as it may be, after so many years, any change has to face backwards 
compatibility and portability as the primary requirement.

I think there's also another side of this story, although this is just 
an opinion. Since C code has been (and still is) so ubiquitous, hardware 
design has kept following that model - I'm thinking e.g. of the fact 
that most of the performance improvement has focused on speeding up the 
sequential execution model that is C is based upon.
Multitasking has been introduced mostly as a replication of that same 
sequential unit - sharing data between threads is painful for hardware 
even today at the CPU level.

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                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-08-31 14:31 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-08-31 15:15 +0100
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                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-08-31 18:37 +0100
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                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-01 11:55 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-01 05:23 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-01 14:20 +0100
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                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-03 00:25 +0000
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2022-09-03 02:46 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-03 10:11 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-03 12:54 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-03 12:52 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-03 21:08 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-03 12:46 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-01 01:25 +0100
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                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-08-31 15:28 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-08-31 17:06 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-31 15:29 +0000
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-08-31 17:48 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-08-31 19:58 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-08-31 20:31 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-31 13:01 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-08-31 15:26 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-31 15:42 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-01 10:00 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-01 04:35 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-01 15:10 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-02 00:09 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-02 09:30 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-02 13:24 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 05:56 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-02 15:14 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-02 16:19 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-02 17:52 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 10:01 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 11:50 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 12:18 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-02 20:45 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 13:08 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-02 21:41 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 13:55 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-02 23:29 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 16:25 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-03 10:23 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-03 13:07 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-03 15:06 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-11 21:22 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-12 12:01 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-13 07:40 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-12 12:32 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-12 09:33 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-13 07:34 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2022-09-13 16:41 +0000
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-14 07:41 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-14 11:06 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2022-09-15 01:03 +0000
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-16 06:52 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2022-09-15 00:14 +0000
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-15 17:29 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Kaz Kylheku <480-992-1380@kylheku.com> - 2022-09-19 02:33 +0000
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-09-11 21:07 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 11:03 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-09-02 20:47 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-02 15:52 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-02 16:01 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-02 19:22 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-09-02 10:50 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2022-09-01 00:30 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-08-31 21:35 +0100
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-09-01 10:14 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-08-30 07:58 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-08-30 17:49 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-08-30 09:02 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-08-30 18:36 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-08-30 09:25 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-08-30 05:31 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2022-08-30 17:08 +0200
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-08-30 08:40 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2022-08-30 08:50 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> - 2022-08-27 20:04 +0200
    Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2022-08-25 17:03 +0100
    Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-25 09:50 -0700
      Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? bart c <bart4858@gmail.com> - 2022-08-25 12:04 -0700
        Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-25 12:25 -0700
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    Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-25 09:58 -0700
      Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-08-26 07:51 -0700
        Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-26 11:50 -0700
          Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-08-26 19:45 -0700
            Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-26 22:03 -0700
              Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2022-08-27 08:14 -0700
                Re: Are there any conformant C compilers? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2022-08-27 11:23 -0700
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