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| From | Manfred <noname@add.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: How to disambiguate macro? |
| Date | 2021-07-21 15:42 +0200 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <sd988e$1ea5$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <87fsw9m4qd.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <sd7ud2$hkh$1@reader1.panix.com> <sd8r8p$fph$1@dont-email.me> <sd8rra$f4o$1@reader1.panix.com> <87k0ljlvsu.fsf@bsb.me.uk> |
On 7/21/2021 2:02 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote: > John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> writes: > >> James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: >>> On 7/20/21 9:48 PM, John Forkosh wrote: >>> ... >>>> i.e., "What the heck is he doing that for?" But then again, I never >>>> much liked relying that (a&&b) always evaluates a first, immediately >>>> becoming 0 without evaluating b at all if a is itself 0. You never know >>>> exactly what the next C standard might mess around with. >>> >>> That is a pretty fundamental feature of C; it's one of the last features >>> of C that I would ever expect to see changed. It would break far too >>> much existing code. >> >> I wouldn't be too complacent about that in the future. > > There absolutely zero chance that the semantics of && will change like > that. It is as deliberate a design choice as any in the language. > Neither B nor BCPL had short-circuit logical operators, relying instead > on bitwise & and |, as did early C. && and || were deliberately added > to simplify many common operations: > > while (np != 0 && np->data != 0) ... > >> And even today I wouldn't be so blithely sure. > > I am not "blithely sure", I'm sure for very good reasons! Just more explicit for the OP: - This behaviour is mandated by the standard. - This behaviour has been a key feature of the operator since the beginning of time, so if anything is going to change in the C standard, it's not going to be this part. > >> For example, && is commutative, i.e., a&&b == b&&a. > > && is not commutative. Also for the OP: The *C operator* && is not commutative. The logical AND operation is, but that's a difference between the C operator and the logical operation. > > <cut> >> I'd never consider a&&b to mean that a is a guard on b's execution. > > That is your choice, of course, but that's a big part of what the > operator is for. >
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How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-20 11:15 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-20 13:49 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-20 12:56 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-20 15:36 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-21 01:48 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2021-07-20 19:18 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-20 20:27 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-21 04:15 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 02:00 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-07-21 06:02 -0400
Re: How to disambiguate macro? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-07-21 06:00 -0400
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-21 10:10 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-07-21 11:30 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-21 13:31 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-21 13:02 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-21 14:20 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-07-21 15:15 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-21 16:28 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-21 16:20 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-07-21 17:34 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-21 19:46 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-07-21 20:42 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-22 08:37 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-07-21 20:47 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-22 08:47 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-07-22 11:31 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl - 2021-07-22 14:37 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-22 18:15 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-21 21:19 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-07-21 15:42 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-21 15:39 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2021-07-21 09:22 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-07-21 17:24 -0400
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 16:42 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-22 05:49 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2021-07-22 19:11 -0400
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-22 05:30 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2021-07-22 14:14 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-07-22 17:06 +0100
OT: possessive adjectives (Was: How to disambiguate macro?) Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-07-22 15:04 +0200
Re: OT: possessive adjectives Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-08-14 13:37 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-08-14 13:58 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-20 14:50 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-20 13:19 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-07-20 14:40 +0100
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-20 21:02 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-20 21:00 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-07-21 08:15 +0200
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2021-08-14 23:17 -0700
Re: How to disambiguate macro? John Forkosh <forkosh@panix.com> - 2021-07-20 12:51 +0000
Re: How to disambiguate macro? Andrey Tarasevich <andreytarasevich@hotmail.com> - 2021-07-20 08:47 -0700
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