Re: Right C version for GCC

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Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> writes:
> On Sunday, November 8, 2015 at 8:14:10 PM UTC, Morten W. Petersen wrote:
[...]
>> Yep.  But this article says size_t is better:
>> 
>> http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/programming-pointers/4026076/Why-size-t-matters
>> 
>> Could you elaborate on why I should not use size_t?
>> 
> From the article:
>
> In my experience, most C and C++ programmers are aware that the
> standard libraries use size_t, but they really don't know what size_t
> represents or why the libraries use size_t as they do. Moreover, they
> don't know if and when they should use size_t themselves.
>
> In this column, I'll explain what size_t is, why it exists, and how
> you should use it in your code.
>
> That explains it all. No one is going to use a language where the default
> basic integer type is called size_t, especially when it usually holds 
> an index rather than a size.

size_t is not "the default basic integer type".  Modern C has no
default integer type, though in older versions of C int was in a
sense the default, and some of that still shows through.

But even if your characterization is accurate, your statement is
manifestly false.  Lots of people, including most or all participants
in this newsgroup, do in fact use such a language.

Morten, Malcolm's opinion is that size_t is a bad thing, and that
the language would be much better without it.  He is, to the best
of my recollection, literally the only person who has expressed
that opinion.  Of course that doesn't mean he's wrong, but you
should be aware that his is a minority view.

size_t is an unsigned integer type that can represent the size of any
object, measured in bytes [*].  Because it can represent the number
of bytes in any object, and array elements are at least one byte,
it can also represent the number of elements in any array object,
and can therefore be safely used as an array index.

Malcolm also seems to object to the name "size_t", for reasons I
frankly don't understand (something about the "_t" suffix, I think).

Most of us have no problem with size_t, and use it where it's
appropriate.

[...]

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
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Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 16:49 +0100
  Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 19:29 +0100
  Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 11:46 -0800
    Re: Right C version for GCC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-08 20:03 +0000
      Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 12:18 -0800
    Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 21:14 +0100
      Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 12:25 -0800
        Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-08 13:06 -0800
          Re: Right C version for GCC Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-08 14:52 -0800
            Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-08 15:12 -0800
              Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-09 09:38 +0100
              Re: Right C version for GCC Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2015-11-09 19:04 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 11:27 -0800
            Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-09 00:00 +0000
        Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-08 16:35 -0800
    Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-08 12:37 -0800
      Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 12:58 -0800
        Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-08 13:19 -0800
    Re: Right C version for GCC Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-08 21:49 +0000
      Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 14:14 -0800
        Re: Right C version for GCC Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-09 01:02 +0000
          Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 02:26 -0800
            Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-09 12:53 +0100
            Re: Right C version for GCC Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-09 15:00 +0000
              Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 08:55 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-09 17:07 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 09:51 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-11-09 19:01 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 19:16 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 11:24 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:30 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2015-11-09 20:40 +0100
            Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 08:56 -0800
              Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 09:41 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-09 17:44 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-09 18:53 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-09 18:00 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 10:27 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 11:17 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-09 22:59 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 11:15 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-12 16:47 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-12 09:24 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-13 12:54 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-13 12:01 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-14 10:47 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-14 21:32 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-14 16:57 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 11:07 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:18 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 11:27 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:41 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 12:07 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:12 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-09 23:13 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 19:02 -0500
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 17:52 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-10 21:34 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-17 22:28 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-18 00:51 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-17 22:26 -0500
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-18 11:06 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 15:37 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 12:54 +1300
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 16:14 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 16:37 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 16:56 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 17:25 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 10:37 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 18:06 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 18:51 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-10 08:40 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 17:55 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 17:50 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 14:32 +0100
          Re: Right C version for GCC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-09 10:35 +0000
      Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-08 23:57 +0100
        Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 00:47 +0100
          Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-09 13:01 +0100
            Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:18 +0100
              Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-09 14:01 +0100
        Re: Right C version for GCC Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-09 00:55 +0000
          Re: Right C version for GCC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-09 10:42 +0000
            Re: Right C version for GCC Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 03:03 -0800
              Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 03:27 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-09 12:28 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-10 09:07 +0000
              Re: Right C version for GCC James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 07:37 -0500
            Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-09 16:57 +0100
      Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-09 12:39 +0100
        Re: Right C version for GCC James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-09 13:18 -0500
          Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 10:49 +0100
            Re: Right C version for GCC Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-11-10 19:33 -0600
              Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-11 13:34 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-11 06:53 -0800
    Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-08 17:00 -0800
      Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-09 13:37 +0100
      Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-09 13:53 +0100
    Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-09 21:54 +0000
      Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-09 15:45 -0800
        Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 11:14 +0100
          Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-10 10:53 +0000
          Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-10 03:14 -0800
            Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 13:00 +0100
              Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-10 12:39 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 15:11 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-10 16:16 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 16:35 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-10 08:54 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 18:56 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-10 23:27 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-17 22:32 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-18 08:44 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-19 10:43 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-19 12:29 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-20 11:01 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-21 15:50 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Philipp Klaus Krause <pkk@spth.de> - 2015-11-18 11:13 +0100
              Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-10 07:25 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 16:42 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-10 08:48 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-11 01:08 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-11 13:43 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-11-11 08:27 -0600
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-11 16:27 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2015-12-06 07:57 -0500
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-12-06 22:34 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-12-06 22:41 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-12-07 09:47 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-12-07 07:30 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-12-07 17:30 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-12-07 10:17 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-12-07 21:29 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-12-07 13:16 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-12-07 23:35 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC jadill33@gmail.com - 2015-12-07 10:41 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-12-07 21:35 +0100
  Re: Right C version for GCC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-08 20:11 +0000
  Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-09 09:57 +1300
    Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 13:06 -0800
      Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-09 10:16 +1300
        Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 22:59 +0100
          Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-09 12:13 +1300
            Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 00:43 +0100
              Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:00 +1300
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 12:02 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 09:00 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 07:25 +1300
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 19:35 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 08:55 +1300
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:00 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 09:04 +1300
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:11 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-09 20:18 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:21 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 09:30 +1300
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 12:53 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-09 12:30 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 13:02 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-09 21:35 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 14:41 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-09 23:31 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-09 16:33 -0800
                Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-10 11:16 +0100
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-11 08:04 +1300
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 18:04 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC raltbos@xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) - 2015-11-10 18:03 +0000
                Re: Right C version for GCC Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-11 08:23 +1300
          Re: Right C version for GCC David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-09 13:41 +0100
      Re: Right C version for GCC supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-08 13:24 -0800
      Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 23:00 +0100
        Re: Right C version for GCC Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-08 15:18 -0800
          Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 00:35 +0100
          Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-08 17:03 -0800
            Re: Right C version for GCC Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-09 12:42 +0000
  Re: Right C version for GCC Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-08 17:51 -0800
  Re: Right C version for GCC Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-11-09 12:20 -0600
    Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 19:36 +0100
    Re: Right C version for GCC BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-09 18:47 +0000
  Re: Right C version for GCC Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-11 00:55 -0600
    Re: Right C version for GCC "Morten W. Petersen" <morphex@gmail.com> - 2015-11-12 14:39 +0100

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