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| From | Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system |
| Date | 2018-03-09 12:27 -0800 |
| Organization | None to speak of |
| Message-ID | <lnefktc7ur.fsf@kst-u.example.com> (permalink) |
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supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 2:59:27 AM UTC-6, David Brown wrote:
>> On 08/03/18 22:36, supercat@casperkitty.com wrote:
>> > I will acknowledge that it has become fashionable for implementations
>> > where a 32-bit long would have been practical, to define long to be a
>> > different size.
>>
>> You are joking, right? 64-bit "long" is 30 years old at least. And
>> that is not including specialist systems like Crays, which have had
>> 64-bit long since their first C compiler (and, I believe, 64-bit char,
>> short and int).
>
> What common microprocessor implementation dating back to 1988 was using
> a 64-bit "long"?
He didn't mention "common microprocessor implementations". Stop moving
the goalposts. I'm not sure what non-Cray implementations would have
had 64-bit long in 1988, but I can easily believe that there were some.
In any case, I don't see the point of assuming there weren't. (K&R1
mentions the Honeywell 6000, which had 36-bit long.)
> I'll grant that until the Standard was changed to allow
> a compiler to treat "long long int" as a different type from "long int" [if
> I recall, C89 specified that repeated modifiers be ignored, and also
> specified that printf must ignore repeated formatting flags] it's possible
> that some compiler vendors may not have felt there was any other way to
> handle 64-bit values.
You recall incorrectly. The wording of C90 6.5.2 is perhaps ambiguous,
but my interpretation (and that of most or all compilers I know about)
is that "long" cannot be repeated in a list of type specifiers.
Constraints
Each list of type specifiers shall be one of the following sets
(delimited by commas, when there is more than one set on a line);
the type specifiers may occur in any order. possibly intermixed
with the other declaration specifiers.
- void
- char
[...]
- long, signed long, long int, or signed long int
[...]
"long long x;" would be a constraint violation for exactly the
same reason that "int int y;" would be. (Some C90 compilers might
support "long long" as an extension, a conforming one as long as a
diagnostic is issued.) (Modern C compilers operating in C90 mode use
a different diagnostic, saying that C90 doesn't support "long long".)
> On the other hand, it was useful having a printf
> formatting flag that would be usable to output 32 bit values on systems
> where "int" was either 16 or 32 bits.
printf formatting flags correspond to types, not to sizes. It has
always been that way. If you want to print a 32-bit value, you
need to use a flag that corresponds to the *type* of the value
you're printing. There is no printf format for "32-bit integer".
There are distinct formats for int and long, even if they both have
the same representation, and using "%d" for a long value or "%ld"
for an int value has undefined behavior (though it's likely to
"work" if int and long have the same representation).
I think we all agree that using "%ld" with a cast is a bit ugly,
so you can stop repeating that point.
[...]
> The handling of printf arguments is ugly.
Life is hard.
[...]
--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this."
-- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"
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Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 14:40 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-01 14:55 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 21:05 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-03 01:18 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 01:03 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-02 22:37 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 01:23 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2018-03-01 11:11 -0500
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2018-03-01 13:51 -0500
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 11:02 -0800
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Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 04:06 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 05:24 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 06:43 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-06 13:51 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-01 22:46 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-01 15:27 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 12:25 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 04:53 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-03 15:32 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-03 08:02 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-04 07:52 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-04 08:43 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-05 07:58 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 21:37 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-07 21:02 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-05 15:29 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 04:54 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-07 00:33 -0600
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 09:55 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-04 07:39 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 05:00 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-07 14:09 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-03-07 14:26 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-07 16:35 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-07 09:32 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-07 10:11 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-07 11:12 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-07 12:01 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-07 15:43 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-07 19:18 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-08 09:59 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-08 10:28 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-08 13:36 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-08 21:47 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-08 15:03 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 09:59 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 10:33 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-09 12:27 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-09 20:48 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 13:31 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-10 18:31 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-10 13:22 -0600
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-10 19:15 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 13:28 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-09 14:13 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 14:45 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-10 17:39 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-10 19:00 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 08:26 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-12 17:06 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 10:23 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-12 18:42 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 12:20 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-12 20:27 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 14:12 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-13 11:12 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-12 09:23 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 10:38 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 11:41 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 12:10 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 12:09 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-09 20:46 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-10 18:35 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 08:54 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-13 08:39 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-03-17 11:03 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 07:37 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 14:22 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 21:48 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 17:50 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-11 15:54 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-12 09:38 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 10:48 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-08 09:58 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 22:03 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-08 13:55 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 22:38 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-08 15:03 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 23:15 +0000
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2018-03-17 10:44 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-03-18 03:47 -0700
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 10:10 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-09 10:10 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2018-03-08 14:21 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-08 15:10 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 10:13 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-09 10:10 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 10:28 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-08 10:28 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 22:17 +0100
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2018-03-08 13:26 -0800
Re: Compiling and linking code from different places in the file system "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2018-03-14 13:39 +0100
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