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Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral]

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral]
Date 2017-04-13 13:32 -0700
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Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> writes:
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:49:36 -0700, Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
> wrote:
>>supercat@casperkitty.com writes:
>>> Personally, I think systems without floating-point units should use 40- or
>>> 48-bit computational types with a 31-bit or 32-bit significand, and think
>>> it unfortunate that the Standard would not have allowed implementations to
>>> use such a type as "double".
>>
>>Are you sure it doesn't?  The standard doesn't require double to be 64
>>bits.  It requires DBL_DECIMAL_DIG to be at least 10 (that's about 34
>>bits) with a decimal exponent range of at least +/-37 (about 7 bits
>>including the exponent sign).  I don't think you could satisfy that in
>>40 bits, but I think 48 would be plenty.  This is a back-of-the-envelope
>>estimate, and there could be several off-by-one errors; perhaps someone
>>else could check this.
>
> He's suggesting that the mantissa be limited to ~32 bits, so as to
> make it easy to implement on small systems.  IOW, ones that can handle
> 32 bit *integers* with reasonable performance, could likely handle a
> 32 bit in a straight-forward manner, and without special hardware.  I
> believe the requirements of DBL_DECIMAL_DIG make that impossible.

I believe you're right.  A conforming 48-bit double is possible, but a
conforming 48-bit double with a 32-bit significand is not.

I can see the advantage of allowing more flexibility for floating-point
types, particularly for freestanding implementations.  I doubt that such
flexibility would be particularly useful for hosted implementations.

On the other hand, implementations already have as much flexibility as
they need if they don't claim ISO C conformance.  One approach is to
implement as much of ISO C as practical and *clearly* document any
exceptions.  Features that might reasonably be omitted include
floating-point wider than 32 bits, *all* floating-point, and 64-bit
integers.  The question (well, *a* question) is whether it's worthwhile
to have the standard explictly permit such omissions.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] MehdiAmini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 12:20 +0430
  Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Barry Schwarz <schwarzb@dqel.com> - 2017-04-07 01:28 -0700
  Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-07 11:58 +0200
    Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-04-07 11:43 +0100
      Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-07 13:35 +0200
    Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-04-07 13:50 +0100
      Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-07 15:54 +0200
        Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-04-07 19:35 +0100
          Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-08 13:41 +0200
            Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-10 13:52 -0700
              Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-11 00:18 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-10 15:43 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-10 16:10 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-10 16:26 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-11 11:33 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-11 08:37 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-13 00:20 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-12 15:55 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-12 18:17 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-14 12:27 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-14 11:57 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-17 18:08 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-17 09:38 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-12 18:13 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-13 07:37 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-13 08:43 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-13 11:24 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-13 11:49 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-13 14:43 -0500
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-13 13:26 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-13 13:32 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-13 14:27 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-04-13 17:39 -0500
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-13 16:16 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-16 17:53 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-13 13:19 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-04-16 17:49 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-17 18:14 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-17 11:54 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-17 22:41 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-17 15:02 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-14 12:40 +0200
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-14 12:10 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-04-14 13:22 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-04-14 17:14 -0700
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-13 00:20 +0200
      Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] MehdiAmini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 20:29 +0430
        Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-07 18:42 +0200
          Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] MehdiAmini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 08:04 +0430
            Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-04-08 07:51 +0100
              Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] MehdiAmini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 12:11 +0430
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-04-08 11:38 +0100
                Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-04-08 18:52 +0100
            Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-04-08 13:48 +0200
              Re: How to fix: [-Wformat-nonliteral] MehdiAmini <atorrses@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 20:34 +0430

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