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Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better?

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better?
Date 2012-07-28 01:31 -0700
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"Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> writes:
> "Keith Thompson" <kst-u@mib.org> wrote in message 
> news:lnpq7g6bco.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org...
>> Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> writes:
[...]
>>> This is modestly silly :) C is still a *high level language*,
>>> and there's very little you cannot do with it.
>>
>> I wouldn't call C a high level language, but that depends entirely
>> on how you define the phrase "high level".
>>
>> It's high level in the sense that C programs specify behavior,
>> not CPU instructions.  Of the languages that are "high level" in
>> that sense, I'd say that C is just about the lowest-level language
>> in common use.
>
> High-level language: any language above assembly languages.
> Low-level language: assembly languages and below.

Those are certainly valid definitions of those terms.

But I don't think they're widely accepted.  Most programmers would
probably say that Ada, for example, is a high-level language and C is a
low-level language.  That's certainly true in a relative sense; C is a
lower-level language that Ada.

(Substitute your favorite higher-level-than-C language for Ada if you
like.)

> Why? Because the low-level languages are CPU-ish: the elements of 
> programming are instructions or even lower, op codes. High-level languages 
> abstract that away, so there is the division line, at least traditionally 
> (as I learned it anyway and still ascribe to that because it makes good 
> sense). 

Yes, there's a very strong dividing line between assembly languages and
non-assembly languages, and C is on the high-level side of that line.
But common usage doesn't necessarily follow that logic.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
    Will write code for food.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-23 01:32 -0600
  Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "christian.bau" <christian.bau@cbau.wanadoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 01:45 -0700
    Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-24 00:19 -0600
      Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-24 11:25 +0100
        Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-24 16:22 -0600
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-07-25 01:53 +0100
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-24 21:43 -0600
      Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "christian.bau" <christian.bau@cbau.wanadoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 16:29 -0700
        Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-24 21:53 -0600
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-24 23:24 -0700
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-25 01:12 -0600
  Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> - 2012-07-23 10:37 +0100
    Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Andre <lodwig@pathme.de> - 2012-07-23 11:46 +0200
  Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-23 11:33 +0100
    Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-23 23:48 -0600
      Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-24 10:43 +0100
        Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-24 02:58 -0700
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-24 12:04 +0100
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-24 05:32 -0700
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-24 14:20 +0100
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-24 18:41 +0100
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-24 12:37 -0700
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-24 16:15 -0600
        Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-24 16:05 -0600
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-24 23:28 -0700
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-25 01:13 -0600
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-25 01:26 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-25 05:43 -0600
      Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-07-24 15:10 +0200
        Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-24 16:23 -0600
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-24 23:40 -0700
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-25 01:32 -0600
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-25 01:29 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-25 05:45 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-25 12:35 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-26 00:12 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-26 01:42 -0700
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-07-25 09:31 +0200
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-25 06:28 -0600
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-07-25 16:28 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-25 17:17 +0100
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-07-26 12:07 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-26 14:06 +0100
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-07-26 09:45 -0400
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-07-30 09:01 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-26 00:09 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-26 00:52 -0700
  Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-07-26 20:35 -0400
    Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-26 22:35 -0600
      Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-07-27 09:19 -0400
        Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-07-27 12:51 -0500
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-27 16:19 -0700
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-07-27 18:47 -0500
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-07-30 09:10 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-07-31 17:26 -1000
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-08-01 00:18 -0400
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-08-01 10:19 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-01 10:09 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-01 12:51 +0100
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-08-01 08:18 -0400
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-01 14:22 +0100
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-08-01 09:57 -0400
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-08-01 11:35 -0400
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-09-07 11:43 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-09-08 10:13 -0400
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-09-22 23:39 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-09-22 23:45 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-17 13:52 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-17 13:45 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-12-17 19:51 -0500
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-12-28 11:11 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-29 11:31 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-29 23:59 +0000
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-02 10:01 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Phil Carmody <thefatphil_demunged@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-01-05 12:00 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2013-01-02 13:07 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2013-01-03 12:10 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2013-01-05 12:26 -0500
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-09-22 23:35 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2012-12-17 14:02 -0800
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-01 10:06 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2012-08-01 12:46 +0100
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-08-02 08:19 -1000
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2012-08-02 08:17 -1000
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? David Brown <david@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> - 2012-08-03 08:04 +0200
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "io_x" <a@b.c.invalid> - 2012-08-03 09:40 +0200
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-27 22:27 -0600
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-07-28 01:31 -0700
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-28 10:52 +0100
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-28 03:31 -0700
          Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? pete <pfiland@mindspring.com> - 2012-07-28 00:05 -0400
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2012-07-27 23:22 -0500
            Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-07-27 22:35 -0600
              Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-04 08:43 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-04 16:40 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:58 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-04 23:10 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-05 01:16 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-05 02:25 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-05 03:35 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-08-05 12:16 -0700
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-08-05 19:56 +0000
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-06 01:12 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-06 01:07 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2012-08-05 13:33 +0000
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-06 01:13 -0600
                Re: Restricted unsigned integer range would have been better? "Ansel" <tinker454@trytospammenowloser.com> - 2012-08-04 22:54 -0600

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