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Re: Compile Assembly and C files together

From Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c, comp.sys.raspberry-pi, comp.programming
Subject Re: Compile Assembly and C files together
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Organization Forte - www.forteinc.com
Date 2018-03-09 13:48 -0600

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On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 19:20:01 +0100, David Brown
<david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote:

>On 09/03/18 18:19, Robert Wessel wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:16:19 +0100, David Brown

>>> Well no, of course it was not a priority.  Why should it be?  Virtually
>>> no one is interested in the calling conventions - just compiler writers,
>>> people writing OS context switch routines, and the few dozen people
>>> writing assembly routines instead of using higher level languages.
>>> Efficiency of generated code was far and away the priority when AMD made
>>> the System V AMD64 ABI used by everyone except Windows.  $DEITY only
>>> knows what MS's priorities were when they scrambled it and made
>>> something pointlessly different and less efficient - the only think I
>>> can think of was to make implementation of "printf" a little easier for
>>> the MSVC compiler writers.
>> 
>> 
>> While I'm not going to try to defend it, MS's explanation is that
>> there's no cost to actually allocate the spill space (just a change to
>> the stack adjustment done at entry to the calling function, and the
>> space is not usually wasted (and thus does not impact caching),
>> compilers can use it for local variables if they're not going to spill
>> the first four parameters to that space.  And it does, of course, make
>> the variadic parameter thing easier.
>
>That is an interesting view on it - thanks.
>
>However, it /will/ have a cost in the case of functions that do not 
>otherwise need to allocate space in the stack other than the automatic 
>push/pop from the call/ret pair.  So a small function that could 
>otherwise be run entirely from within the caller-saved registers, but 
>which itself calls another function, will need to allocate stack.  This 
>might seem rare, but I am sure it turns up a lot in C++ code with all 
>these functions that don't seem to do anything except pass on 
>responsibility to other functions!


While true, most of those small C++ functions need to set up a stack
frame anyway so that exception handling can unwind the stack.  That
doesn't, however, change the fact that the shadow area allocation is a
waste of cache space in that scenario.

OTOH, many of those short functions *should* get inlined.  Obviously
that's more difficult if the short functions are virtual ones, but if
you're clunking your way through a indirect call via a vtable anyway,
the added pain from half a wasted cache line is probably modest.

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  Re: Compile Assembly and C files together "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 19:20 +0800
    Re: Compile Assembly and C files together druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2018-03-06 13:53 +0000
      Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2018-03-06 14:59 +0000
        Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-06 16:35 +0100
          Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-06 07:57 -0800
            Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-06 16:35 +0000
              Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-06 18:15 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-06 18:51 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-06 19:22 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-06 19:30 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-06 12:31 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-06 23:05 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-07 12:17 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-07 16:05 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-07 16:45 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-07 17:54 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-07 16:59 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-07 17:13 +0000
              Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-07 12:26 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-07 14:25 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-07 15:57 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-07 15:24 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-07 17:56 +0100
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              Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-07 13:11 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-07 15:47 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 07:31 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-07 21:00 +0000
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                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-08 13:05 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 15:14 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-08 15:23 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 23:22 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-08 14:40 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-03-08 23:59 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-08 16:54 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 10:37 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2018-03-09 10:47 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 09:19 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 10:23 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-09 12:28 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 16:43 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-09 17:14 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 09:32 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-08 15:26 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2018-03-08 19:23 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 23:27 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-08 16:17 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-08 23:47 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-09 11:59 +0000
              Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-07 09:13 -0800
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                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-07 10:55 -0800
      Re: Compile Assembly and C files together "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-06 23:01 +0800
    Re: Compile Assembly and C files together ray carter <ray@zianet.com> - 2018-03-06 15:44 +0000
      Re: Compile Assembly and C files together "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-07 00:07 +0800
        Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2018-03-07 22:39 +0200
          Re: Compile Assembly and C files together "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 18:18 +0800
            Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-08 12:37 +0000
              Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-08 13:13 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-08 13:34 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-08 15:27 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2018-03-08 17:33 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 09:06 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 09:17 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 09:30 +0000
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                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 17:44 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 17:16 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-09 11:19 -0600
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2018-03-09 18:11 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-09 13:41 -0600
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 10:12 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-09 19:20 +0100
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together supercat@casperkitty.com - 2018-03-09 11:45 -0800
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-09 13:48 -0600
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-03-09 13:16 -0500
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-09 18:29 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Jack Fearnley <jack@alcor.concordia.ca> - 2018-03-09 19:07 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-09 19:13 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2018-03-10 13:16 -0600
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-11 19:39 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2018-03-12 01:16 -0500
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Martin Gregorie <martin@mydomain.invalid> - 2018-03-12 20:49 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-12 16:11 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2018-03-12 14:58 -0500
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-12 20:38 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-03-12 16:06 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Michael J. Mahon <mjmahon@aol.com> - 2018-03-12 14:58 -0500
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2018-03-09 21:27 +0200
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 17:40 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2018-03-09 21:30 +0200
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2018-03-09 13:16 -0500
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                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2018-03-09 17:40 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 17:47 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> - 2018-03-09 18:05 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-09 09:05 +0000
                Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2018-03-09 16:01 +0200
            Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Tauno Voipio <tauno.voipio@notused.fi.invalid> - 2018-03-08 17:25 +0200
    Re: Compile Assembly and C files together The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-07 07:36 +0000
  Re: Compile Assembly and C files together Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2018-03-06 15:29 +0000
    Re: Compile Assembly and C files together David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2018-03-06 16:38 +0100

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