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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: Aliasing through a union pointer |
| Date | 2015-11-26 20:51 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <dbns0dFea62U4@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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supercat@casperkitty.com wrote: > On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:13:05 PM UTC-6, Ian Collins wrote: >> But that would preclude calling any (library) function that didn't have >> the qualification. That's why I said supporting misaligned access >> impacts the entire program. > > And I'd say that library functions would be limited to using normal pointers; > I'm curious for which library problems you think that would be a problem. > if one wants to read a number from the a file into a bitfield, one can't use > fscanf to load data into the bit-field directly--one must read it into a > temporary variable and then copy that manually. How many library routines > are there that accept a non-character pointer type and write a lot of data > to it? You don't have to. A single read or write is all that is required. If I understand your concept correctly and you have a new qualifier, you will need to copy data between qualified and unqualified pointers, which is little different from copying data to and from packed external message formats. >> Because misaligned pointers can leak. > > Only if the type system allows them to be given to code that expects normal > pointers. See above. >> That depends on how much of the "new" stuff in C99 you use :) > > The languages also have different rules about things like aliasing and > various other oddities. None of which make any practical difference in normal code. I mix C and C++ often and I must admit I would have to go looking for any such differences. >>> Was it slower because the code was trying to do unaligned reads which then >>> generated traps, or because the code was using sequences of byte reads and >>> putting them together? >> >> The former. > > Well don't do that. >:*3 If one tells the compiler to *expect* unaligned > data (possible in at least some compilers, and IMHO should be defined in the > Standard even if compilers were allowed to refuse compilation of programs > specifying it) the performance impact would be greatly reduced to be no > worse than (and in many cases not as bad as) the cost of user code building > up larger types from smaller ones. Compilers for machines such as SPARC would have to refuse due to hardware restrictions. So you don't gain any portability benefits over compiler extensions. -- Ian Collins
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Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Pilcher <arequipeno@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 10:14 -0600
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-23 11:43 -0500
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-23 11:49 -0500
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Pilcher <arequipeno@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 13:22 -0600
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-23 14:38 -0500
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-25 10:38 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-25 14:17 -0500
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-27 13:16 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-23 21:46 +0100
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-23 22:20 +0000
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-23 16:52 -0600
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-23 23:10 +0000
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-11-23 19:05 -0600
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2015-11-23 22:51 +0000
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-23 15:49 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-23 16:01 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-24 09:55 +0100
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-24 14:29 +0000
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-24 22:58 +0100
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Eric Sosman <esosman@comcast-dot-net.invalid> - 2015-11-24 17:30 -0500
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-24 15:27 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-25 12:57 +1300
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-24 16:31 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-25 18:28 +1300
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-25 06:54 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-26 08:59 +1300
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-25 13:01 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-26 12:58 +1300
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-25 16:44 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-26 14:12 +1300
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-25 21:34 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-25 21:55 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-26 20:51 +1300
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-26 11:39 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-11-26 00:06 +0000
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-24 11:51 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-24 12:20 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-11-24 21:52 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-11-25 08:30 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-24 23:04 +0100
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-25 10:10 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-11-25 11:02 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Philip Lantz <prl@canterey.us> - 2015-11-26 13:06 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2015-11-26 13:09 -0800
Re: Aliasing through a union pointer Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2015-11-27 13:08 -0800
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